[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well I just heard (maybe I'm late) but lifetime will air a biopic of Britney Spears and go through her start, her relationship with Justin Timberlake and pretty much her at her prime... I really hope they keep in the sleaziness which is Wade Robson, show him in his true light..
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Don't worry we will find out soon from Radar, you know Wade and his lawyers go to source to smear MJ.

I know.

Just a remind who every see the Radar article first bring it over here so we are only click once on that site.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I know.

Just a remind who every see the Radar article first bring it over here so we are only click once on that site.

Will do, by the way Dr Drew has been cancelled according to CNN :clap:
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Don't worry we will find out soon from Radar, you know Wade and his lawyers go to source to smear MJ.
Well, it is not working overall. MJ is unfazed. at this point, you either love MJ or not and Mike is getting love. I do not care about haters or internet troll (look how Leslie Jones the female comic from SNL and the new Ghostbusters is being trolled now (and she ha no scandals).
 
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From the hollywood reporter

— Wade Robson's deposition in his sex abuse case against the Michael Jackson estate will likely be sealed, according to a tentative ruling from judge Mitchell Beckloff. In a Tuesday morning hearing, attorneys for Robson and the estate argued about the deposition — but not about the seal. They can't agree on whether Robson, who currently lives in Hawaii, should have to come back to Los Angeles to give his testimony this fall. Robson's attorneys were planning briefly depose their client on Wednesday, but they've decided to push it back to coincide with the estate's 7-hour deposition planned for sometime in October. Robson, a well-known choreographer who has worked with Britney Spears and on the reality series So You Think You Can Dance, claims Jackson molested him as a child.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thanks, what about the mental examination? has that been pushed back too?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Robson's attorneys were planning briefly depose their client on Wednesday, but they've decided to push it back to coincide with the estate's 7-hour deposition planned for sometime in October.

So basically the debate is not just the date of the deposition but the length. Robson's lawyers want it to be brief, the Estate wants it to be 7-hours.

Not to agree to a longer deposition would have looked extremely bad for him, condsidering this is his own lawsuit and he is the Plaintiff.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So basically the debate is not just the date of the deposition but the length. Robson's lawyers want it to be brief, the Estate wants it to be 7-hours.

Who will do this depo? Weitzman?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So basically the debate is not just the date of the deposition but the length. Robson's lawyers want it to be brief, the Estate wants it to be 7-hours.

Not to agree to a longer deposition would have looked extremely bad for him, condsidering this is his own lawsuit and he is the Plaintiff.



Yea a lawsuit build on lies no truth to it.


So how soon will it be before the summary judgement begin? To tell you the truth there is no new news in discovery as you can see in this thread it all old Tom M mention it in a interview on King Jordan. I can't believe this case has gotting this far without one shred of proof to back up Wade claim him and his lawyers have yet to show any. All they have done is smear Michael name with these lies. and they call this truth. When summary judgement begin i hope the judge will look at all of this and see that this case is build on lies and there is no truth in Wade claim and dismiss this case.


Let see if we get any negative articles from Radar on Michael birthday.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The lawsuit has gotten this far because now they're getting to the stage where Wade has to provide evidence to everything he claimed. It's not like the judge allowed it to go to trial yet.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

One very interesting thing. The hollywood reporter removed the Robson News from their story. Google for "wade robson" in the last week, you get the the article with the headline "Hollywood Docket: Chris Brown's Assault Lawsuit; Wade Robson's Deposition". I even got a google alert notice (I set up one for Robsons name). But now when you click on the article you see the title has been changed to "Hollywood Docket: Chris Brown's Assault Lawsuit; "COPS" Film Backed by Lawyer" and Robson news removed and placed by "COPS" story.

So basically the debate is not just the date of the deposition but the length. Robson's lawyers want it to be brief, the Estate wants it to be 7-hours.

Not to agree to a longer deposition would have looked extremely bad for him, condsidering this is his own lawsuit and he is the Plaintiff.

It clarified a few things for me. Now we know it was Robson's own lawyers that asked for him to be deposed as soon as possible because he could be suicidal and they want to preserve his testimony. Estate argued it was too soon - which makes sense. They would want to get the mental evaluation report - which by rules need to be written in a month, complete other discovery and depositions. I would say Estate's October deposition fits with the case timeline. We know now is the discovery phase, which generally happens by questions, document exchanges, followed by witness depositions, followed by expert reports and deposition, followed by summary judgment motion. We expected the summary judgment to be early 2017. So it fits.

This also confirmed me once again that this early deposition was nothing more than a tactical stuff to get Estate to do a deposition where they didn't have all the info etc to be prepared to grill Robson. Because really trying to get him deposed 2 months early because he could be suicidal doesn't make much sense. Robson filed this case in 2013. It has been 3+ years. If they had said "let's depose him back in 2013 because he is emotionally unstable we don't know if he can live 3-4 years until the trial", that might have made some sense. But saying "let's depose him in August because he might kill himself by October" doesn't make any sense at all.

Knowing Beckloff, he probably found the middle ground and said you can depose him in August and Estate can depose him again later. That surely was against Robson lawyers tactics, so they decided they wouldn't do the early deposition and stick with the regular deposition.

One thing I'm curious is the 7 hours. Why limit it to certain hours or is it just an expected estimate amount? There have been instances where people were deposed for 4-5 days.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The lawsuit has gotten this far because now they're getting to the stage where Wade has to provide evidence to everything he claimed. It's not like the judge allowed it to go to trial yet.


Good now the truth will be revail and that is Wade has none.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Oh, please, tell me that the Estate lawyers are READING THIS FORUM AND THIS THREAD with all the info you have ever posted about this case.

Many of you are like investigators, investigative journalists knowing far more than the so-called journalists and lawyers outthere.

DO Let the Estate lawyers KNOW about all the info we have here!!!

It is so important to let them know about this mega conspiracy, its more important than anything ever before!

Are some of you able to contact ther Estate and the lawyers?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Oh, please, tell me that the Estate lawyers are READING THIS FORUM AND THIS THREAD with all the info you have ever posted about this case.

Many of you are like investigators, investigative journalists knowing far more than the so-called journalists and lawyers outthere.

DO Let the Estate lawyers KNOW about all the info we have here!!!

It is so important to let them know about this mega conspiracy, its more important than anything ever before!

Are some of you able to contact ther Estate and the lawyers?


I agree with you on this the Estate need to see this the facts are all here. This thread has expose all of Wade lies there is no truth to his claim.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So how soon will it be before the summary judgement begin?

It should be around end of 2016 / Early 2017 - as we don't have access to the documents, we don't know the exact schedule. that's of course assuming there is no delays or extension requests.

For example in KJ - AEG case summary judgment motion was filed end of November 2012, hearing was mid February 2013, judge had ruled within 15 days by end of February 2013 and Jury selection started at the beginning of April. So with that timeline the summary judgment was filed 4 months before the trial start date and the ruling was 1 month before the trial start date.

If we assume the same time periods it would put the summary judgment motion in mid December with a ruling mid February. Of course again any delay/extension would change these dates.

The timeline would be

- Discovery :questions and documents
- Depositions
- Expert witness reports
- Expert witness depositions
- On top of my head summary judgment is filed within one month the whole discovery is completed.
- Then an opposition and a reply would be filed and an hearing would be set. Then there would be waiting for Judge's decision.
- If the case gets dismissed , it will end then. If not, there would be motions about testimony - witnesses, stuff to exclude, jury instructions etc. Followed by jury selection and trial.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I agree with you on this the Estate need to see this the facts are all here. This thread has expose all of Wade lies there is no truth to his claim.

I just hope the estate dot all their i's and crosses all their t's when it comes to Robson/Safechuck, etc and expose them for the lying opportunists they are.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

One very interesting thing. The hollywood reporter removed the Robson News from their story. Google for "wade robson" in the last week, you get the the article with the headline "Hollywood Docket: Chris Brown's Assault Lawsuit; Wade Robson's Deposition". I even got a google alert notice (I set up one for Robsons name). But now when you click on the article you see the title has been changed to "Hollywood Docket: Chris Brown's Assault Lawsuit; "COPS" Film Backed by Lawyer" and Robson news removed and placed by "COPS" story.

Interesting.


This also confirmed me once again that this early deposition was nothing more than a tactical stuff to get Estate to do a deposition where they didn't have all the info etc to be prepared to grill Robson. Because really trying to get him deposed 2 months early because he could be suicidal doesn't make much sense. Robson filed this case in 2013. It has been 3+ years. If they had said "let's depose him back in 2013 because he is emotionally unstable we don't know if he can live 3-4 years until the trial", that might have made some sense. But saying "let's depose him in August because he might kill himself by October" doesn't make any sense at all.

Yes, and it looks bad on Robson IMO. He is the Plaintiff, this is his lawsuit. And supposedly he filed this lawsuit to "speak his truth". So why the attempts by his side to limit his deposition as much as possible? And why the lies? Because I am sure him committing suicide is not am immediate threat between August and October, that's a lie and they know it.

One thing I'm curious is the 7 hours. Why limit it to certain hours or is it just an expected estimate amount? There have been instances where people were deposed for 4-5 days.

Yes, but acc. to the Hollywood Report article, Robson wanted it to be even briefer. Once again, why would you ask for something like that when it's all about "speaking your truth"?

The 7 hours is maybe just an estimate by the Estate. If they don't finish in 7 hours it may go on for days. Like when they set a trial date in advance and estimate it will last 14 years. Of course months or even years before there is no guarantee it will really last 14 days.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Back tracking. The little s*** is getting cold feet. Thought he would have a nice settlement by now
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The 7 hours is maybe just an estimate by the Estate. If they don't finish in 7 hours it may go on for days. Like when they set a trial date in advance and estimate it will last 14 years. Of course months or even years before there is no guarantee it will really last 14 days.


The problem is noone will prosecute him for the countless perjuries he will commit in that deposition.
Didn't he say under oath that he didn't know about the administration of the Estate before March 2013?
Wasn't that in his sworn declaration?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Oh, please, tell me that the Estate lawyers are READING THIS FORUM AND THIS THREAD with all the info you have ever posted about this case.

Many of you are like investigators, investigative journalists knowing far more than the so-called journalists and lawyers outthere.

DO Let the Estate lawyers KNOW about all the info we have here!!!

It is so important to let them know about this mega conspiracy, its more important than anything ever before!

Are some of you able to contact ther Estate and the lawyers?


I'm sure there are some fans here that have studied law /criminal stuff and I think ivy is one of them...??
 
Back tracking. The little s*** is getting cold feet. Thought he would have a nice settlement by now

That is what the plan was in the begin but the Estate said NO

Yes, and it looks bad on Robson IMO. He is the Plaintiff, this is his lawsuit. And supposedly he filed this lawsuit to "speak his truth". So why the attempts by his side to limit his deposition as much as possible? And why the lies? Because I am sure him committing suicide is not am immediate threat between August and October, that's a lie and they know it.



Yes, but acc. to the Hollywood Report article, Robson wanted it to be even briefer. Once again, why would you ask for something like that when it's all about "speaking your truth"?

The 7 hours is maybe just an estimate by the Estate. If they don't finish in 7 hours it may go on for days. Like when they set a trial date in advance and estimate it will last 14 years. Of course months or even years before there is no guarantee it will really last 14 days.

I agree with your post 100% you would think he want to get the truth out and it should not matter how long it take, but the problem for Wade is how can you speak the truth when you don't have the truth all Wade has is lies.

I'm sure there are some fans here that have studied law /criminal stuff and I think ivy is one of them...??

Oh yes there are more in here this thread is always updated every lie that Wade has told is in this thread it has been expose there is no truth in Wade claim plane and simple. We would love for this to be over (The Fans) There is a process that must be follow.



It should be around end of 2016 / Early 2017 - as we don't have access to the documents, we don't know the exact schedule. that's of course assuming there is no delays or extension requests.

For example in KJ - AEG case summary judgment motion was filed end of November 2012, hearing was mid February 2013, judge had ruled within 15 days by end of February 2013 and Jury selection started at the beginning of April. So with that timeline the summary judgment was filed 4 months before the trial start date and the ruling was 1 month before the trial start date.

If we assume the same time periods it would put the summary judgment motion in mid December with a ruling mid February. Of course again any delay/extension would change these dates.

The timeline would be

- Discovery :questions and documents
- Depositions
- Expert witness reports
- Expert witness depositions
- On top of my head summary judgment is filed within one month the whole discovery is completed.
- Then an opposition and a reply would be filed and an hearing would be set. Then there would be waiting for Judge's decision.
- If the case gets dismissed , it will end then. If not, there would be motions about testimony - witnesses, stuff to exclude, jury instructions etc. Followed by jury selection and trial.



We are in the Discovery phase now when it get to the summary judgement it could be all over the judge can decide that this case can be dismiss we just have to wait and see what happen.
 
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respect77;4162594 said:
Because I am sure him committing suicide is not am immediate threat between August and October, that's a lie and they know it.

of course they are lying and RO story which quoted them made this clear.

“As has been seen in our firm’s experience in representing sexual abuse victims over the past decades, abuse victims are at an elevated risk of committing suicide … this is not a risk that is taken lightly.”

Robson “may not be actively suicidal,” they admitted, but said “obtaining his testimony at the earliest possible time is imperative in this litigation, in order to preserve his testimony …”


In other words Robson isn't showing any evidence that he is suicidal right now. They just made a generalization that abuse victims are at an elevated risk of suicide.

The 7 hours is maybe just an estimate by the Estate. If they don't finish in 7 hours it may go on for days. Like when they set a trial date in advance and estimate it will last 14 years. Of course months or even years before there is no guarantee it will really last 14 days.

probably it's an estimate and 7 deposition hours probably mean at least 2 days with all the breaks and such.

ILoveHIStory;4162556 said:
Oh, please, tell me that the Estate lawyers are READING THIS FORUM AND THIS THREAD with all the info you have ever posted about this case.

Are some of you able to contact ther Estate and the lawyers?

8701girl;4162637 said:
I'm sure there are some fans here that have studied law /criminal stuff and I think ivy is one of them...??

I don't have a legal degree. I'm quite sure that some people contact Estate Online Team with info and we have seen them reference stuff mentioned here before. So either they are aware and use some stuff, or minds think alike.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Ivy, you are doing a great job. This goes for Respect 77 as well and a few others.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

A great job indeed. I haven't seen one single thing come out of Robson's camp that hasn't been contradicted with specific examples. There is so much evidence to contradict everything he said, including his actual testimony in the 2005 trial-"no he didn't touch me, no he didn't kiss me, no we didn't take a shower", blah blah blah. SPECIFIC questions-asked and answered.

Very odd about the Hollywood Reporter story-I got a Google Alert as well and read it then-and you're right-poof-it's gone.
 
Raven Woods · @emailraven

 27th Aug 2016 from TwitLonger


Exciting News On New MJ Documentary!


I hope everyone will excuse me for having been a bit out of pocket this past week and a half or so. A recent job promotion (can't argue with blessings) has eaten up a lot of my time recently. Hopefully the dust will settle soon and I'll be able to get back into the groove. But in the meantime, I do want to pass on some rather exciting news. As many of you know, I recently did some pieces on Michael for The Huffington Post. Those articles apparently led a Hollywood producer to discover my blog, and I received a very interesting email which led to a phone conversation.

Turns out, these are the same people behind the very well received documentary "The United Shades of America" which ran on CNN and they are currently working on a series with Martin Sheen that will be broadcast on Investigative Discovery. He told me they are currently developing a documentary on "The Trials of Michael Jackson," a 6-part series that is going to be run on A&E. This will be a series that aims to expose what the media did to Michael and to expose his accusers and their motivations. It will also tie in to a separate but related A&E series on the last 90 days of Michael's life. (I asked him if there was any association with Tavis Smiley's project and he said no; they are totally different projects. He said Smiley's project is still being shopped). Their objective-or at least part of it-is that they want to show how the allegations and the media lynching played a huge part in killing Michael long before his time.Apparently Mary Fisher and Aphrodite Jones are already on board this project.

Anyway, he said he was blown away by the depth of my research that he saw in the articles he read and would like to have me on board this project as a consultant producer. I also told him there were many other very good MJ researchers that I believe he should contact. I am willing to pass on the names and contact information of those who would like to take part, but I want to know that is okay with anyone before I do it so please do let me know. I told him there are so many MJ researchers who work tirelessly and devotedly at what they do, but they simply do not have the platform of mainstream journalists, many of whom are only driven by clicks and profit. It was a very interesting discussion and I felt that these people are sincere in really wanting to get this side of the story out there. It was also encouraging to learn that all of the hard work that many of us have done as researchers and advocates is not in vain. People ARE watching us-and having their eyes opened.

As consultant producer, part of my job will be checking their scripts for accuracy of content. I may also be one of the "talking heads" although I haven't decided about that yet-I'm a very private person and really don't like being in the spotlight too much. But we'll see.

I should be receiving more info in about two weeks. But I wanted to pass this along as it is an exciting development. This is huge, especially with the Wade Robson case pending in just a few months.
 
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I was looking last night of Getty Images of the inside of the courtroom in '05 and was slightly surprised at the size. I always imagined it as larger for some reason. It's interesting to see just how close the witness box was to the defence table. If your this close to the man you claim hurt you so horrifically could you then lie so dispassionately in his defence? Just something I was thinking while looking at them.
http://www.gettyimages.ca/event/mic...rt-house-in-santa-maria-ca-picture-id99280975
 
Annita;4162700 said:
Raven Woods · @emailraven

 27th Aug 2016 from TwitLonger


Exciting News On New MJ Documentary!


I hope everyone will excuse me for having been a bit out of pocket this past week and a half or so. A recent job promotion (can't argue with blessings) has eaten up a lot of my time recently. Hopefully the dust will settle soon and I'll be able to get back into the groove. But in the meantime, I do want to pass on some rather exciting news. As many of you know, I recently did some pieces on Michael for The Huffington Post. Those articles apparently led a Hollywood producer to discover my blog, and I received a very interesting email which led to a phone conversation.

Turns out, these are the same people behind the very well received documentary "The United Shades of America" which ran on CNN and they are currently working on a series with Martin Sheen that will be broadcast on Investigative Discovery. He told me they are currently developing a documentary on "The Trials of Michael Jackson," a 6-part series that is going to be run on A&E. This will be a series that aims to expose what the media did to Michael and to expose his accusers and their motivations. It will also tie in to a separate but related A&E series on the last 90 days of Michael's life. (I asked him if there was any association with Tavis Smiley's project and he said no; they are totally different projects. He said Smiley's project is still being shopped). Their objective-or at least part of it-is that they want to show how the allegations and the media lynching played a huge part in killing Michael long before his time.Apparently Mary Fisher and Aphrodite Jones are already on board this project.

Anyway, he said he was blown away by the depth of my research that he saw in the articles he read and would like to have me on board this project as a consultant producer. I also told him there were many other very good MJ researchers that I believe he should contact. I am willing to pass on the names and contact information of those who would like to take part, but I want to know that is okay with anyone before I do it so please do let me know. I told him there are so many MJ researchers who work tirelessly and devotedly at what they do, but they simply do not have the platform of mainstream journalists, many of whom are only driven by clicks and profit. It was a very interesting discussion and I felt that these people are sincere in really wanting to get this side of the story out there. It was also encouraging to learn that all of the hard work that many of us have done as researchers and advocates is not in vain. People ARE watching us-and having their eyes opened.

As consultant producer, part of my job will be checking their scripts for accuracy of content. I may also be one of the "talking heads" although I haven't decided about that yet-I'm a very private person and really don't like being in the spotlight too much. But we'll see.

I should be receiving more info in about two weeks. But I wanted to pass this along as it is an exciting development. This is huge, especially with the Wade Robson case pending in just a few months.

Great news, but just be careful, some of those media types are wolves in sheep's clothing.......when it comes to MJ I just don't trust the media.
 
Annita;4162700 said:
Raven Woods · @emailraven

 27th Aug 2016 from TwitLonger


Exciting News On New MJ Documentary!


I hope everyone will excuse me for having been a bit out of pocket this past week and a half or so. A recent job promotion (can't argue with blessings) has eaten up a lot of my time recently. Hopefully the dust will settle soon and I'll be able to get back into the groove. But in the meantime, I do want to pass on some rather exciting news. As many of you know, I recently did some pieces on Michael for The Huffington Post. Those articles apparently led a Hollywood producer to discover my blog, and I received a very interesting email which led to a phone conversation.

Turns out, these are the same people behind the very well received documentary "The United Shades of America" which ran on CNN and they are currently working on a series with Martin Sheen that will be broadcast on Investigative Discovery. He told me they are currently developing a documentary on "The Trials of Michael Jackson," a 6-part series that is going to be run on A&E. This will be a series that aims to expose what the media did to Michael and to expose his accusers and their motivations. It will also tie in to a separate but related A&E series on the last 90 days of Michael's life. (I asked him if there was any association with Tavis Smiley's project and he said no; they are totally different projects. He said Smiley's project is still being shopped). Their objective-or at least part of it-is that they want to show how the allegations and the media lynching played a huge part in killing Michael long before his time.Apparently Mary Fisher and Aphrodite Jones are already on board this project.

Anyway, he said he was blown away by the depth of my research that he saw in the articles he read and would like to have me on board this project as a consultant producer. I also told him there were many other very good MJ researchers that I believe he should contact. I am willing to pass on the names and contact information of those who would like to take part, but I want to know that is okay with anyone before I do it so please do let me know. I told him there are so many MJ researchers who work tirelessly and devotedly at what they do, but they simply do not have the platform of mainstream journalists, many of whom are only driven by clicks and profit. It was a very interesting discussion and I felt that these people are sincere in really wanting to get this side of the story out there. It was also encouraging to learn that all of the hard work that many of us have done as researchers and advocates is not in vain. People ARE watching us-and having their eyes opened.

As consultant producer, part of my job will be checking their scripts for accuracy of content. I may also be one of the "talking heads" although I haven't decided about that yet-I'm a very private person and really don't like being in the spotlight too much. But we'll see.

I should be receiving more info in about two weeks. But I wanted to pass this along as it is an exciting development. This is huge, especially with the Wade Robson case pending in just a few months.

Posted and being discussed here: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...ing-on-a-documentary-series-about-MJ-s-trials

Keep the discussion of it in just one thread, please.
 
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