[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Absolutely...he seems to be able to hold down a steady job over at least 10 years in a reasonably 'cutting edge' digital company; and seems to have a talent for innovation and research according to his employers.

The company has a showreel to demonstrate its work at the link below. I wonder which motion graphics designer and animator created the little Lego 'moonwalker' at 46 seconds .....surely not traumatised James........?

http://www.avatarlabs.com/reel
I am going to say this: Anytime you have this much back and forth, contradictions, changing of stories, a manhunt/witch hunt trial, planting false stories, photos, lying reporters, people trying to make MJ look guilty and they do NOT know what happen in court but using tabloid bull, wanting money, a bunch of "what if's, "maybe this", etc, that proves THE ACCUSATIONS ARE LIES towards that person (MJ). Let me tell you, when a crime really happens, it does NOT take all of this to find out if it was true with the kind of investigation the person was under to find out if someone is really guilty. And believe me, you can believe this judge even know this is nonsense but he/she has to listen to it.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That why this case need to end there is not one shred of prove to back up Wade claim that he was abuse by Michael it all a pack of lies no truth in it at all.
 
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so has Wade's attorney's proven that MJ's companies were aware of his alleged abuse and did nothing to stop it? I still don't understand why the companies would be aware yet his own Mother didn't and she was right there with him?:busted:

No they haven't. It's up for the summary judgement to decide about that.

Absolutely...he seems to be able to hold down a steady job over at least 10 years in a reasonably 'cutting edge' digital company; and seems to have a talent for innovation and research according to his employers.

The company has a showreel to demonstrate its work at the link below. I wonder which motion graphics designer and animator created the little Lego 'moonwalker' at 46 seconds .....surely not traumatised James........?

http://www.avatarlabs.com/reel

From their Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/avatarlabs/

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it just so amazing how ppls can just live normal life knowing that they have told a pack of lies How can they live with themselves.
 
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I know this isn't strictly on topic but I've just about made my way through the Netflix series Making a Murderer and I'm left wondering why on EARTH has no one made a documentary like this regarding Michael's legal problems?

The vast majority of the public have never heard the evidence, that we've seen, that overwhelmingly demonstrates Michael's innocence - and next to nothing that really cuts to the core of Michael being dogged by a determined prosecution and being taken advantage of by those looking for a payday. There's so many bombshells in the Michael Jackson saga that almost no one has bothered to consider, I think it would make for a fascinating watch. Even just on here, every other day, I see folks posting things that just blows my mind that Michael was ever charged or tried with any of that nonsense.

No one willing to finance it? Lack of video footage to use? I'd love Meserau and others to go on the record one last time and this time be heard on a mass scale.
 
ChrisC;4160877 said:
I know this isn't strictly on topic but I've just about made my way through the Netflix series Making a Murderer and I'm left wondering why on EARTH has no one made a documentary like this regarding Michael's legal problems?

The vast majority of the public have never heard the evidence, that we've seen, that overwhelmingly demonstrates Michael's innocence - and next to nothing that really cuts to the core of Michael being dogged by a determined prosecution and being taken advantage of by those looking for a payday. There's so many bombshells in the Michael Jackson saga that almost no one has bothered to consider, I think it would make for a fascinating watch. Even just on here, every other day, I see folks posting things that just blows my mind that Michael was ever charged or tried with any of that nonsense.

No one willing to finance it? Lack of video footage to use? I'd love Meserau and others to go on the record one last time and this time be heard on a mass scale.

I don't understand it either. Since we're talking about Netflix, I was watching a movie the other day called The Hunt (Jagten) and it's about a kindergarten teacher who is falsely accused of child molestation. It reminded me so much of Michael and the way he was 'hunted' too. I thought to myself, wouldn't it be great if a movie like this could be made about Michael's life? A documentary in the vein of "Making A Murderer" would perhaps be even better. There is so much dirt to expose about the way the tabloids and the prosecution conspired to put an innocent man behind bars. It just blows my mind every time I think about it... and realise that outside of the fanbase, most people don't even know about it.

Edit: here's a review for the movie from IMDB, it could have been written about Michael almost word for word:

[h=2]A film for those who stupidly believe there's no smoke without fire.[/h]
Sometimes children lie. Sometimes good people give in to hysteria, and lose all sense of reason. Sometimes they destroy innocent lives. The Hunt (aka Jagten) is the latest offering from Denmark that will knock you sideways. Forget the thrill of TV dramas The Killing, Borgen and The Bridge, Thomas Vinterberg's film is a shocking, harrowing experience that will affect you profoundly and will live in your mind for a very long time. The Hunt is for those who don't need to 'enjoy' a film to regard it as valid and who are not afraid to step into the darkness of the injustice and judgment of which we are all capable. More than that, it is a film for those who stupidly believe there is no smoke without fire. Lucas (Mads Mikkelsen) is a lonely teacher, divorced from his wife, kept apart from his son and devoted to the young children in his care at the nursery and within the community. He is a genuinely good man who has earned the respect of his peers, the love of a new girlfriend and the trust of the children who leap out of hedges to wrestle him and be chased around the playground by him. Klara (Annika Wedderkopp), the daughter of his best friend, Theo (Thomas Bo Larsen) has an innocent, childish crush on Lucas when two situations occur in quick succession. Firstly she is exposed to an explicit pornographic image and, secondly, Lucas gently chastises her for inappropriate behavior towards him. With a fertile imagination, childish indignation and no comprehension of the consequences, Klara makes an accusation against Lucas and his world implodes. For only the fifth time so far this year, I believe I have witnessed a near-perfect film. The Hunt is complete due to the tight screenplay, the sensitivity of Vinterberg's direction and the performances from principal and peripheral actors alike that are always absorbing and frequently astounding. Mikkelsen must certainly be the focal point of any review. His performance as Lucas causes the stomach to tighten and the back tingle as we wonder How would I react? In much the same way that Colin Firth's George crumpled when receiving the news of his partner's death in A Single Man, so Mikkelsen's Lucas is silently crushed as he is told that accusations have been made. Lucas suffers the physical and emotional wounds of slander and revenge for an act he cannot conceive and of which he has less knowledge than those who condemn and attack him. Equally, both Larsen and Anne Louise Hassing as Klara's parents carefully unwrap the turmoil any parent would suffer upon hearing their young child has suffered sexual abuse. It is a challenge not to yell at the screen "Don't be so stupid," or to scream expletives at Grethe (Susse Wold) the head teacher who loses her grip on both duty and reason and germinates the hatred and judgment that follow. As Lucas' son, Marcus, Lasse Fogelstrøm gives a heartfelt performance segueing seamlessly from courage to hurt to desperation and anger and his distress is a warning to those given over to rumours. The surprise, no, the absolute shock, with the casting is Wedderkopp. In an adult with twenty years experience on the big screen it would be a breathtaking performance; that this is the debut of a young child is staggering. She is entirely believable as the girl with the vivid imagination and understandable lack of foresight who is lead by over-enthusiastic adults and suffers her own punishment of confusion alone. The tragedy within The Hunt is explicit and unavoidable. The external tragedy is that it will probably not feature on most To See lists because it is both foreign and that the explosions are emotional rather than physical. Although it is Denmark's entry for Best Film in a Foreign Language for the Oscars, I suspect both Mikkelsen and Vinterbeg will be completely overlooked in their own right as with the principals of Beasts of the Southern Wild. Thank goodness for the BAFTAS and Mark Kermode! The events depicted in The Hunt are utterly horrific. Don't sit in front of the screen expecting a light, easy, thought provoking flick. I emerged numb, angry, helpless and terrified. But for one careless or cruel comment, it could happen to me. Or you.
 
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The medias agenda is to make mj out to be a wierdo abuser. Why would they do anything to show the opposite.we saw what happened with mike tiabbi back in 05 when he tried to go against the agenda. Theres a hatred against mj because imo there was and is money to be made in exposing what happened to mj but those that control the media are obsessed with brainwashing the ppl against mj
 
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As cynical as it sounds I think the big money for the media is to lie and portray MJ as guilty. Sensationalism always sells better. Rather than start talking about the truth they keep making "documentaries" like they did in 2005 or the one they will soon have on Reelz that once again probably will misrepresent the trial.

I have long realized that most of the media isn't actually interested in the truth. They are only interested in selling what sells. And that is dirt and sensationalism. They go as far as actively falsifying documents (see the recent Radar Online nonsense or the FBI files crap) so it is naive to think they are out there for the truth or that they have one bit of interest in it. Ideally there should be serious media which doesn't do that and even challenges that with being balanced and showing facts. But that's not what's happening. Instead the so called serious media uncritically copy&pastes tabloid articles when it comes to MJ. Without even checking out the veracity of those tabloid claims. I cannot count how many times I have seen papers like The Independent and The Guardian quote The Sun and The Mirror on MJ and presenting it as fact. All the media becomes tabloid when it comes to Michael Jackson. They are just not willing to give him a fair treatment. It's madness, but I think it has to do with how well dirt about MJ sells. Radar reported their best month ever this June - no doubt, due to all the dirt they threw on MJ. As long as crap about MJ attracts the flies (ie. all the gossip hungry crowds) the media won't care whether it is true or not. They will just copy&paste that crap.

I know this is about a possible documentary and I wish that would happen but it has probably the same obstacles. Dirt and sensationalism sells, the truth doesn't always. Plus I haven't seen very many journalists who actually know about these cases. They usually keep repeating surface stuff or fallacies. And there are always much misinformation when they talk about the case. Most of them have no idea and unfortunately they don't even have the interest to get a real idea.

I just hope one day someone will uncover the depth of corruption (including media corruption) surrounding these cases. But I am afraid since many of the current media is guilty of it this generation of the media will have do die out before that can happen and people are allowed by the media to look at these cases through an independent lense.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That does sound like Michael story.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well said respect. "Why let the truth get in the way of a good story" i remember back in the day when i think it was the trials of mj book came out.turned out the book wasnt actually that good but i remember the meeting they had with the express paper in the uk. Semi tabloid. Not as bad as the sun etc but not a serious paper either. The author wanted the paper to serialise the book and they had a meeting with the paper.they refused sighting that the book "didnt go with the agenda they have when it comes to mj" that sums it up.

I always wonder if when the generation of journos pegg it and when we have only ones that werent around when mj was then maybe the level of hatred will drop but as you say if more money is to be made out of the lies then nothing will change. Mjs curse is that hes still so huge and a big seller even now .
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well said respect. "Why let the truth get in the way of a good story" i remember back in the day when i think it was the trials of mj book came out.turned out the book wasnt actually that good but i remember the meeting they had with the express paper in the uk. Semi tabloid. Not as bad as the sun etc but not a serious paper either. The author wanted the paper to serialise the book and they had a meeting with the paper.they refused sighting that the book "didnt go with the agenda they have when it comes to mj" that sums it up.

There are many, many stories by various authors about the difficulty of publishing a book about MJ if it doesn't contain at least some dirt. Aphrodite Jones had to self publish. Geraldine Hughes had to self publish. Tom Meserau said that publishers offered him to write a book but they wanted him to say he believed MJ was guilty so he refused. And there is plenty of evidence that tabloids paid out big money for people to make up lies about MJ. Tabloids actively offering people tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of dollars to lie about MJ. That is simply a fact. (See: http://michaeljacksonallegations.com/the-medias-role-in-the-allegations-against-michael-jackson/ )

I have never seen a smear campaign like this against anyone. So of course this same media will not do anything to vindicate MJ. Even if there are good intentioned and genuine journalists sometimes they are in minority and their voice usually doesn't reach a bigger audience.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yeah totally agree
 
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A lot of these news outlets are co-owned by large conglomerates which are gobbling up so many media publications, whether online or print, that it becomes harder and harder to find an independent voice. So many of them are owned by the same corporation or are in league with each other that, as respect said, they simply copy and paste the same article. And with so many publications downsizing, editors and journalist being let go, no-one wants to rock the boat by writing a story that the bigwigs don't want told.

Michael is still a huge threat to a certain conservative group that knows full well what was done to this man and their roll in it. They'll cover that up by slandering him as long as they can get away with it.

I will say though that social media is having an impact on that view as I do see more evidence that some peoples perceptions are being changed and I do think fans spreading the truth are having an effect, even if it doesn't always look like it.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Good points.
 
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It's interesting when you start looking at the online news sources and see that a lot of them come up regularly, regardless of who the story is about. Especially the smaller ones. If you then look into who owns them it's surprising ( or not) how many wind up being part of the same corporation. Same is true whether it's Canada, the UK, US...whichever.

I also think it's like a maniac response, like in '93/'94 and '03/'05 where they just rushed to report the most salacious so they didn't miss out on the audience. Now though the news appears to be so auto-generated that they, I don't think, have the bodies to fact check anything. It's just a race for clicks, viewers, $$$. It seems to me that its a corporate revenue source, entertainment, not information and education etc...
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Michael is still a huge threat to a certain conservative group that knows full well what was done to this man and their roll in it. They'll cover that up by slandering him as long as they can get away with it.

I am not sure if it is a conservative thing. In fact, in 2005 some of the liberal media has been among MJ's biggest detractors. NBC, for example running documentaries that had Victor Gutierrez as a consultant. Also wasn't Maureen Orth the wife of some NBC big wig? Isn't the Daily Beast which was home to Diane Dimond's crap liberal leaning? Meanwhile, some of the conservative media actaully has been a little more fair. Fox News had Roger Friedman's columns which at the time at least brought some balance. Wasn't the conservative Drudge Report also supportive of MJ? To be fair to the liberal side, CNN had some great and fair articles by their legal analyst Joanna Spilbor who actually did pay attention to the trial and wasn't into sensationalism. But these were rare.

I honestly don't think the support or hatred against MJ goes along such lines as conservative vs. liberal. I haven't seen much more support from the liberal media either or rather to the contrary. Thing is with many liberals that they are only "tolerant" as long as you fit into one of their favourite boxes of being different. As soon as they cannot define you they are just as intolerant and as suspicious of you as any conservative. And MJ's difference was something that did not fit any of those classic boxes of difference and they couldn't define, so the hate and suspicion towards him on the liberal side was just as strong as on the conservative side - at least in the media.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The media on general imo. Ive seen left wing uk media be worse than right wing. They all hate him regardless.
 
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Conservative probably wasn't the right word to use as I was speaking more along the lines of ways of thinking rather than politically. Can't really think of a better word at the moment as to which way I was going with that. But yes it certainly does change depending on agenda.
 
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Have to say though I'm not sure if Drudge was supportive of MJ as much he was against the manipulation of the truth of what was actually going on at the trial and the abuse of power by the DA's office..

Either way, I'm glad he spoke on it. One of the few.
 
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Have to say though I'm not sure if Drudge was supportive of MJ as much he was against the manipulation of the truth of what was actually going on at the trial and the abuse of power by the DA's office..

Either way it is better than what some of the so called liberal media did - which was actively twisting the truth. And that was my point. I don't see the anti-MJ campaign in terms of conservative vs. liberal. In fact there was just as much hostility against him from so called "liberals". It really isn't some conservatives-liberals thing.
 
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it just so amazing how ppls can just live normal life knowing that they have told a pack of lies How can they live with themselves.
It is sad. And Jordan Chandler I hold the most for this mess because it was his family that created this false stuff.
 
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I don't understand it either. Since we're talking about Netflix, I was watching a movie the other day called The Hunt (Jagten) and it's about a kindergarten teacher who is falsely accused of child molestation. It reminded me so much of Michael and the way he was 'hunted' too. I thought to myself, wouldn't it be great if a movie like this could be made about Michael's life? A documentary in the vein of "Making A Murderer" would perhaps be even better. There is so much dirt to expose about the way the tabloids and the prosecution conspired to put an innocent man behind bars. It just blows my mind every time I think about it... and realise that outside of the fanbase, most people don't even know about it.

Edit: here's a review for the movie from IMDB, it could have been written about Michael almost word for word:
"some who believe there is no smoke without fire". -- This is not always true because "the smoke can be DRY ICE". So just because something look like one thing does NOT mean it is. I gave the example of guy running in a hoody down the street. Does that 100% mean he is a criminal? No, it can be a boy running home because his mother called him. This is why we are in the trouble that we are in today in America because of these things. Go by the FACTS, not nonsense.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The medias agenda is to make mj out to be a wierdo abuser. Why would they do anything to show the opposite.we saw what happened with mike tiabbi back in 05 when he tried to go against the agenda. Theres a hatred against mj because imo there was and is money to be made in exposing what happened to mj but those that control the media are obsessed with brainwashing the ppl against mj
I agree but Steve Harvey and even Geraldo Rivera (Rivera once thought Mike was guilty but changed his mind) stood toe to toe to defend Michael. Geraldo went as far as to bet he will cut off his mustache if MJ was found guilty because it was very clear that it was a set up. And Rivera went on many shows to talk a about it.
 
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Either way it is better than what some of the so called liberal media did - which was actively twisting the truth. And that was my point. I don't see the anti-MJ campaign in terms of conservative vs. liberal. In fact there was just as much hostility against him from so called "liberals". It really isn't some conservatives-liberals thing.

Yes I know where your coming from and I think your right. But my post on Drudge wasn't about conservative or liberal. Just what he was saying about his feelings on the whole trial. I've listened to it several times and I appreciate his take on it and the fact he spoke up.
 
Simen Johan Room to play photos in a US exhibition. The exact same photos the media and the plebs used to prove that MJ was a sicko.


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Incredible Photo Gallery by Photographer Simen Johan

In his earlier work Johan explored the unique relationship that children have with the unknown, constructing complex photographic worlds that seem to grow wild from young imaginations. In some images the children are prominently featured, wrapped up in acts of play or ritual as the makers of their own worlds, while in others they’ve vanished completely, leaving only the enigmatic traces of their mischief.

Simen Johan’s work has been widely exhibited internationally, and is in the permanent collections of the Brooklyn Museum of Art, Cleveland Art Museum, the Los Angeles County Museum of Art, and other major institutions. Johan’s first monograph, Room to Play, was published by Twin Palms in 2003. Born in Norway and raised in Sweden, Johan earned his B.F.A at the School of Visual Arts, in New York, where he currently resides.


http://beforeitsnews.com/awesome-ti...lery-by-photographer-simen-johan-2445448.html


terrell;4160913 said:
"some who believe there is no smoke without fire". -- This is not always true because "the smoke can be DRY ICE"..

Or more like where there is fire sometimes there's a witch-hunt. You have to look at who set the fire and why and who has the interest in keeping the flames alive.
Plenty of people have had a vested interest in keeping the MJ is a child molester story alive.
Cliff Richard was accused by nine men. All of them were full of shit. When big money is at stake bandwagoners are inevitable.
Even when the accusers cannot make millions there can be plenty of smoke. Think about the
Wenatchee Witch Hunt.
43 adults were arrested and accused of 29,726 counts of sexually abusing 60 children!
And none of it was true.
9-13 year old kids like Francia, Jordan were pressures by adults to make allegations.

Child witnesses, mostly from 9 to 13 years old, were often taken from their families and placed in foster care. Many said later that they were subjected to hours of frightening grilling and if they didn't believe they had been sexually abused, they were told they were "in denial" or had suppressed the memory of the abuse. They were also told that siblings and other children had witnessed their abuse, or that that their parents had already confessed.

http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=7065
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

After 10 years working for them and close to 40 he got a little promotion in a small company that mainly has young employees. Big deal.

And that is probably another reason why Safechuck is suing the lucrative MJ estate......so he can invest money towards the company he works for that he didn't earn.....you know blood money that Jordy Chandlier still enjoys.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

we go in depth with the details of the allegations toward MJ and others but sadly one FACT that I don't think anyone would try to debate. It is too easy to make sexual claims on others.
 
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we go in depth with the details of the allegations toward MJ and others but sadly one FACT that I don't think anyone would try to debate. It is too easy to make sexual claims on others.
More easy than you think.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Got that right it is easy look what Wade and James did. The judge job is not to decide if Wade and James are telling the truth or not he has to take they word for it. This case should have never gotting this far it all built on lies no truth and no proof just words from Wade and James mouth that they was abuse by Michael.


This is the law that why it need to change because it should not be this easy to claim abuse against others person without proof.
 
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I really don't know how I would react If I ever saw Wade in person......
 
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