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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If i was to see Wade in person the first word that would come out of my mouth would be WHY
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

#MJforever57 said:
If i was to see Wade in person the first word that would come out of my mouth would be WHY
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Oh because he wants to tell "his truth" you know. He is not doing this for money. Except he hired lawyers whose "expertise" is to force the defendants to settle.
But Robson would say settlement is not about money. It's about telling the truth.

Did you know that his brother Shane has been friends with Scott Ross the chief PI in the Arvizo case?
Ross said if someone asks him he will tell that Robson was telling the truth in 2005, he interviewed him then several times
he showed absolutely no sign that he was lying and Scott Ross's job was to see through witnesses and advise Tom Mez
whether a witness was honest or not. He was a professional and no way he would have told Mez that Robson was credible if he had
seen any sign that he was lying.
I hope if it goes to trial Scott Ross will testify. There is no way a defense team as pro as him and Susan Yu and Tom Mez would
risk putting someone on the stand and face a bully like Zonen unless they had 100% confidence that he was telling the truth.
It makes no sense that an actual molester would want his victim be cross-examined by someone like Zonen anyway.
And Robson/Safechuck says that MJ wanted not one but TWO of his victims to testify and be cross-examined. Even while
Safechuck's testimony wasn't even necessary and he couldn't have been anything but a character witness as there was no
testimony about him to be refused. And we know that Tom Mez didn't use any character witness.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Damn this boils my blood.

Wall Street Journal, New Yorker promote Simen Johan, other American and British media drag MJ through the mud
for merely owning Johan's book.

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https://www.instagram.com/p/BHCuRjhhBhe/

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https://www.instagram.com/p/BG7MG6EKFaF/
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If I ever see Robson in person the first and only thing I'm gonna do is punch him in the face.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

How do you know that some kind of MJ-Celebration is near ???

Just look at the headlines....

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I do not think no one cares Paris78. Good thinking people are going to continue to love MJ and celebrate him and do not care what this trash print. It is clear what they are doing now. This is not going to effect Mike or the celebrations. Did you know the commercial for the movie "Angry birds" is playing MJ's song BAD? Wade need to go an sit beside those 3 American swimmers who LIED about being robbed in Rio.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Radar is all over the place with there MJ articles.. They don't let up
 
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KOPV said:
Radar is all over the place with there MJ articles.. They don't let up
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And they are making themselves look stupid. They ran ith Murray and was made to look even worst. They can not hurt MJ.
 
Case Bombshell: Alleged Victim Wade Robson Is ‘At Risk’ Of Suicide!
Terrified lawyers warn judge that 'obtaining his testimony' ASAP is 'imperative.'

Michael Jackson Child Rape Case Alleged Victim Wade Robson At Risk Of Suicide Lawyers Claim In Court Documents
Michael Jackson‘s alleged child rape victim, Wade Robson, could be ready to kill himself over what happened to him years ago, RadarOnline.com has learned.

Robson’s attorneys made the bombshell claim repeatedly in new court documents filed in his molestation case against Jackson’s production companies. (Robson had initially sued Jackson’s estate, but that claim was thrown out in 2015 over statute of limitations concerns.)

A trial is scheduled in the new case next spring, but Jackson’s attorneys recently filed documents demanding that they be able to take Robson’s deposition on August 24. Jackson’s team says it’s just too soon.

“The Plaintiff is a victim of sexual abuse, and has a family history of suicide,” Robson’s attorneys warned.

“As has been seen in our firm’s experience in representing sexual abuse victims over the past decades, abuse victims are at an elevated risk of committing suicide … this is not a risk that is taken lightly.”

Robson “may not be actively suicidal,” they admitted, but said “obtaining his testimony at the earliest possible time is imperative in this litigation, in order to preserve his testimony …”

They continued to insist he has a “heightened suicidality risk” because “suicidality is present” in his family, and he “has lost an immediate family member to suicide.”

Taking his deposition as soon as possible, would be “a precautionary measure,” they insisted.

Robson is already scheduled to undergo an intensive medical examination in the case, which was requested by Jackson’s team. They insisted, ‘the damages claimed … are largely based on emotional and mental injuries and we are entitled to test the fact and extent of his injuries and the cause of his injuries.”

That examination will take place on August 22.

Robson, 33, has made an incredible litany of claims against Jackson and his businesses. In court documents, he’s alleged that ***** anally raped him, mutually masturbated with him, and forced him into fellatio. The documents claim that Jackson committed these acts between 1990 and 1997 at “his ranch in Santa Barbara County” and elsewhere.

He said he suppressed the memories for year and only recently remembered them through therapy.

He had previously denied that Jackson molested him, during Jackson’s 2005 trial against Neverland visitor Gavin Arvizo. Jackson’s estate has denied the latest allegations.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Remember we can post RO stories to learn and debunk them without a link back. Next time please the first person that sees it posts it so the rest of us doesn't have to click on RO links.

We knew the mental examination. It's confirmed and we also have a date for it.

I'm quite confused about who is claiming Robson is suicidal though
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This is probably a stupid question but..... Supposing (for the sake of argument) that Robson did commit suicide, would his case still go ahead? Can a dead man sue? If not, then why is it essential to take his deposition as quickly as possible...?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This story gets more ridiculous..

So While Wade (the person involved), his older sister, and mother were defending and celebrating Michaels honor.. His father was the only one tormented?
 
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myosotis said:
This is probably a stupid question but..... Supposing (for the sake of argument) that Robson did commit suicide, would his case still go ahead? Can a dead man sue? If not, then why is it essential to take his deposition as quickly as possible...?
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His Estate takes over. It's not really a case of "dead man" suing as the case is filed when he is alive. But his testimony would be an absolute necessity for the case to continue. Without his version of events and without the opportunity to challenge him no case can go forward. If there is a deposition, it could be used in place of testimony.
 
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ivy said:
His Estate takes over. It's not really a case of "dead man" suing as the case is filed when he is alive. But his testimony would be an absolute necessity for the case to continue. Without his version of events and without the opportunity to challenge him no case can go forward. If there is a deposition, it could be used in place of testimony.
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Thank you...but as you rightly say, there would be no opportunity to challenge his deposition. In that case it would seem unfair to Michael's estate, if Wade made a deposition then died (by any means) the case would be heard entirely on Wade's deposition with no opportunity for cross-questioning by others.... ?


I could imagine Wade's lawyers majoring on this, for example:


The examining attorney begins the deposition and may ask the deponent a wide variety of questions. Questions that could not be asked of a witness in court because of doubts about their relevance or concerns about Hearsay (statements of a third party) are usually allowed in the deposition setting, because they might reasonably lead to admissible statements or evidence
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

myosotis said:
Thank you...but as you rightly say, there would be no opportunity to challenge his deposition. In that case it would seem unfair to Michael's estate, if Wade made a deposition then died (by any means) the case would be heard entirely on Wade's deposition with no opportunity for cross-questioning by others.... ?
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What I meant was right now all we have is a bunch of claims on paper. There hasn't been any challenge or a cross examination. In a deposition Estate lawyers can challenge him, grill him for hours etc. There have been instances that a witness etc has died and their deposition has been used in place for a testimony. I'm not saying it's automatic - meaning deposition can replace a trial testimony. It's not. It would be a whole fight of motions.

I still cannot figure out who is exactly claiming he is a suicide risk?

Is Robson lawyers claiming he is suicidal so he must be deposed soon? I would understand if Estate wants to wait for doctor reports etc, discovery and so on before sitting down with Robson and grilling him. So his lawyers might prefer to have him deposed as early as possible so he wouldn't be facing more challenging questions that come with more information. But I don't know if claiming he is suicidal or that suicide runs in his family is doing him any favors in regards to his overall mental health evaluation.
 
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To me Wade is using the suicide risk crap to his advantage (earlier depo or its a mental examination tactic so they won't go hard on him etc) and at the same time leak this to Radar to smear MJ once again and make MONEY......a week before MJ's b'day celebrations.
 
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^^It seems they wrote the names incorrectly. They say Jacksons lawyers filed papers to depose on August 24th and the next sentence says Jackson lawyers say it's too soon.
And how would Michael's attys know he's suicidal w/o the exam.

It's confusing. I guess it was a rush to the presses.
 
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barbee0715 said:
^^It seems they wrote the names incorrectly. They say Jacksons lawyers filed papers to depose on August 24th and the next sentence says Jackson lawyers say it's too soon.
And how would Michael's attys know he's suicidal w/o the exam.

It's confusing. I guess it was a rush to the presses.
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Something people like this do so the story has legs over the weekend.....I expect the attacks to pick up because its MJ's b'day next week and Wade and his team will use this for maximize publicity like they have done so in the past.
 
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barbee0715 said:
^^It seems they wrote the names incorrectly. They say Jacksons lawyers filed papers to depose on August 24th and the next sentence says Jackson lawyers say it's too soon.
And how would Michael's attys know he's suicidal w/o the exam.

It's confusing. I guess it was a rush to the presses.
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I realized that and the rest of the quotes makes it sound like Robson lawyers want him deposed soon. Weird.
 
This is what makes it confusing because Radar is so incompetent they are even unable to put together a simple report about what they saw in court docs without getting sloppy.

A trial is scheduled in the new case next spring, but Jackson’s attorneys recently filed documents demanding that they be able to take Robson’s deposition on August 24. Jackson’s team says it’s just too soon.
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I think they wanted to write this:

A trial is scheduled in the new case next spring, but Robson’s attorneys recently filed documents demanding that they be able to take Robson’s deposition on August 24. Jackson’s team says it’s just too soon.
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This is the only way this story would make sense because the story is telling us that Robson's side wants his depo to take place as soon as possible, while MJ's team says it is too soon. So the mental exam is on the 22th and Robson wants his depo to take place two days later. I think Ivy has a point, that's probably to avoid hard questions that would arise from the result of his mental exam (the result will not be ready in two days after the exam - it probably will take weeks of analysis and evaluation before the expert(s) come up with a report). I think they also want the two take place close to one another so that whatever lies he is telling one won't easily forget for the next round.

The threat with suicide is overdramatic and no doubt, manipulative. How will it make him more suicidal if his depo takes place later? This case has been going on for years and he did not seem to be much in hurry when his former lawyers requested a break last year so that they would be able to focus on another case they had or when they agreed to wait for Beckloff to come back from where he was assigned to. So this new sob story about him committing suicide if his depo doesn't take place on August 24 doesn't make much sense. But to point out his family's history of suicide doesn't do him any favours, like Ivy said. It actually points out his mental issues may come from another source than what he claims.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
But to point out his family's history of suicide doesn't do him any favours, like Ivy said. It actually points out his mental issues may come from another source than what he claims.
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yep. I guess they might be strategizing if they make suicidal claims they can claim extensive mental distress and ask for higher amounts of damages. Still doesn't make much sense to me.
 
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ivy said:
yep. I guess they might be strategizing if they make suicidal claims they can claim extensive mental distress and ask for higher amounts of damages. Still doesn't make much sense to me.
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Perpahs. But I think for now it is just to manipulate the Judge (and if they gave the doc to Radar, also the public). Bascially it is a blackmail: give me what I want Judge or else I may commit suicide and you will be responsible. I am sure if it goes to court they will play this card to the Jury as well: give me what I want (which lots of money) or else I might commit suicide. Do you wanna be responsible?

But yeah, the argument doesn't make any sense. How does the date of his deposition affect how much suicidal he is? It sounds nonsensical. They don't even say he is, they just say "he might be" (Radar of course sensationalizes it in its headline and makes it look like it is an immediate threat of suicide). They are just trying to get their way.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
Perpahs. But I think for now it is just to manipulate the Judge (and if they gave the doc to Radar, also the public). Bascially it is a blackmail: give me what I want Judge or else I may commit suicide and you will be responsible. I am sure if it goes to court they will play this card to the Jury as well: give me what I want (which lots of money) or else I might commit suicide. Do you wanna be responsible?

But yeah, the argument doesn't make any sense. How does the date of his deposition affect how much suicidal he is? It sounds nonsensical. They don't even say he is, they just say "he might be" (Radar of course sensationalizes it in its headline and makes it look like it is an immediate threat of suicide). They are just trying to get their way.
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Thanks for clearing this up.....all I have to say about Wade is :stinker::laugh:

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

BTW, it's a good point that MJ's birthday is next week and they might try to play the same media games as before his death anniversary in June. Putting out a series of stories in Radar Online to smear his name. So that might be another reason why they would want to have everything on that week, so that after that they can leak stuff (with their own twist, of course) to Radar.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

They are saything this because they don't want Robson to be mentally evaluated !!! Robson is trying to get out of that!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Agree They will prob file a motion asking for the the evaluation ruling to be over turned cause hes suicidal . Which ever way it shows they are worried about the ruling by running to the press
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Is such a mental examination easy to fool?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He said he suppressed the memories for year and only recently remembered them through therapy.
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So now they're back to suppressed memories? Didn't he say he remembered everything he just didn't think it was abuse? :crazy
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

IF Wade was currently suicidal, it SHOULD be because he is full of remorse for the lies he has told about Michael.
I'm sure that he's not remotely suicidal at the moment...he should be under mental health secure care at the moment if he was....
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The request to change the date because Wade could be suicidal makes no sense. Why should the judge change anything? It's not the defendants' fault.
 
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