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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

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terrell said:
Sorry but I doubt it. And how many of those catholic church victims ever went and DEFENDED those priests in a court of law? NONE. So what if these lawyers workded on some of those cases. They are still lawyers looking to make money. MJ had a TRIAL and the evidence backed it up and a lot of people even some who use to think Mj was guilty changed their minds; in the case with these priest, many of abuse was PROVEN and many of them ADMITTED they did it. Big difference. And victims advocates did NOT go up against MJ in 1993 nor in 2005 even when the claims were made in 2003 and I do not think any advocate with Creditabilty is going to bother MJ now due to Wade some who DEFENDED MJ IN court of law.
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Most people in the public know nothing about what you said and they do make comparisons that don't make sense. That's what people who have no clue do. You think more highly of people than I do.
 
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Why there are no photos of Wade from the memorial or funeral?
 
BTW, I have to post it here, do you know anything about this?

Jordy Chandler “I Lied For My Father, I’m Sorry Michael!”

Jun 10, 2015
by admin in DIASPORA, JewsNews
After the sudden death of Michael Jackson Jordy Chandler tells the truth.

In 1993, Chandler told a psychiatrist and police that he and Jackson had engaged in sexual acts that included oral sex, the boy gave detailed description of Jackson’s genitals. The case was settled out of court for a reported $22 million, but the strain led Jackson to begin taking painkillers. Eventually he became addicted.

Now maybe for the remorse of his death Chandler decides to tell us the truth. ”I never meant to lie and destroy Michael Jackson but my father made me to tell only lies. Now i can’t tell Michael how much i’m sorry and if he will forgive me”. Evan Chandler was tape-recorded saying amongst other things, “If I go through with this, I win big-time. There’s no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever…”

Under the influence of a controversial father (Evan Chandler) told his son to tell that Jackson had touched his penis. Jordan Chandler then told a psychiatrist and later police that he and Jackson had engaged in acts of kissing, masturbation and oral sex, as well as giving a detailed description of what he alleged were the singer’s genitals.

”Now for the first time i can’t bare to lie anymore. Michael Jackson didn’t do anything to me, all was my father lies to escape from being poor.”
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The original article was published in 2009 on TrashSelector:

Jordy Chandler “I Lied For My Father, I’m Sorry Michael!”
by Howard K. Smith on June 26, 2009
 
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InvincibleTal said:
There aren't photos of a lot of people who were there.
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so Wade can say he wasnt there, or...?

I wonder why there are no photos ... of such a monstrous event.
 
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ILoveHIStory said:
so Wade can say he wasnt there, or...?

I wonder why there are no photos ... of such a monstrous event.
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There are people who saw him there but the tickets request itself is enough. I don't think it's odd at all that there aren't photo of everyone there. There were many celebrities and there aren't public photos of all of them. I haven't seen one of Michael's nephews and nieces but we know they were there. The people we did see were the people who sat in the front rows and those who went on stage. I don't understand the problem.
 
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Fake article re chandler. Doesnt matter either way re robson due to the nature of his claims. He also performed in numerous tributes talked about how mj had restored his faith in human nature.talked about all the BBQ's mj went to at his house talked about how he couldnt bar to delete mjs voice mails etc etc etc.
 
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There is this blog

"Stevie wonder on the piano

Wade Robson who was sitting DIRECTLY behind me (breathing on ur neck close) was bawling his eyes out during this one. He had his head down in his hands for most of this song ...poor bb :(

Read more at ONTD: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/36954873.html#ixzz4Efvo51Bq"
 
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ivy said:
There is this blog

"Stevie wonder on the piano

Wade Robson who was sitting DIRECTLY behind me (breathing on ur neck close) was bawling his eyes out during this one. He had his head down in his hands for most of this song ...poor bb :(

Read more at ONTD: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/36954873.html#ixzz4Efvo51Bq"
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That would expose another lie in his complaint, namely when he wrote he was not able to cry when MJ died and at the time he did not know why.
 
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ILoveHIStory said:
so Wade can say he wasnt there, or...?

I wonder why there are no photos ... of such a monstrous event.
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The tickets said no camera/video recordings, but some people sneaked in camera, like Barbara Walters.
This is old link to TMZ
http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/08/barbara-walters-spy-cam-at-jackson-memorial/
I think she had the footage on her 20/20 program so if you looking for it, you might find it from youtube
 
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ivy said:
There is this blog

"Stevie wonder on the piano

Wade Robson who was sitting DIRECTLY behind me (breathing on ur neck close) was bawling his eyes out during this one. He had his head down in his hands for most of this song ...poor bb :(

Read more at ONTD: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/36954873.html#ixzz4Efvo51Bq"
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Just makes you more angry.how could you you gutless coward.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

MJresearcher said:
Most people in the public know nothing about what you said and they do make comparisons that don't make sense. That's what people who have no clue do. You think more highly of people than I do.
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Sorry but I do. Most people are not sitting around worrying about gossip on MJ. Most people know the media is trash especially tabloids. Like i keep saying, We love MJ so we are going to take things harder than the next person. There are people who can careless about what tabloid says about MJ, those people still love him but they are not going to write, email, etc over the stories. Also, a lot of people who are not reading this nonsense because they are busy with their own lives. Then, you have haters. You can point these kind of people out quickly and they will believe whatever they want about MJ either because they were jealous of Mike, do not like blacks, or like to find fault in famous people no matter who they are. And internet trolls, forget about them. THEY DEGRADED people just for the pure entertainment to keep drama going. MJ music is still being played, his music is still be requested on the radio, his style is still being admired, his music even in this time in America is being inspirational, my Sgt did the Moonwalk for our office event and everyone (police officers) went crazy over it and some even told him "you are no Michael. MJ would be upset with you messing up his moves". I can go on. So yes, it is fraustrating to see these stories (mostly in the British press) but I still keep it in perspective to know that NOT EVERYONE is following up this trash even if they read it. Remember, the media give the attention to those who talk the most trash but will overlook good thinking people. Dirt get attention. And you have to remember on boards like Radar online, there are just a few people who talk bad about Mj but they use different names to post. I notice that about that site and I will not go back on it because that is how they work. I said this same thing when Mike was alive. If Mj was so disliked, the world would NOT have mourned him in the way in which they did. My city had 5 celebrations even in the big civic center which was full when Mj died. That is LOVE for a man. And lets not forget the SOLD OUT 50 shows and his new cds all went to NUMBER ONE something many artists from his era can not do no more. And no one with a brain or crediablity is covering Wade not even when he first spoke in 2013 on the today show. I think in the end all of this is going to work out in MJ's favor overall.
 
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The internet does magnify things. Thats something we have to try and remember as we sit behind our screens.
 
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respect77 said:
Their game is transparent. The Estate will not be able to release anyone who doesn't even exist from confidentiality agreements. But the suggestion in this sentence is already there - the suggestion that "multiple victims" don't speak up only because the Estate doesn't allow them. When they just have nobody.

It is a dirty, manipulative media game by creating innuendo.
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Is it even possible for an Estate to release someone from a CA which was signed by the decedent?
Is there any legal basis for that?

This bloated ambulance chaser is talking about the case being global even mentioning Morocco.
Was MJ ever in Morocco at all?
He was in Tunesia where he met Omer Batthi who won't accuse him of anything of course.
Will he try Michael Jacobshagen in Germany? He won't accuse MJ of anything either.
Richard Matsura? No, not that type of guy. He seemed very level-headed and honest.
Maybe he should interview Bela Farkas as one of MJ's international victims. :blink:

Also, how does he intent to represent these "global" victims when their only chance of getting money is suing the companies
and which kid other than Robson had anything to do with those companies?
Is it still possible to file a probate claim?

It's also ridiculous how none of the actual accusers were silenced with hush money but Robson tells everyone that a bunch of
others were. Doesn't this scumbag lawyer wonder why MJ didn't try to silence Robson and Safechuck with hush money?
Or the Arvizos. Or Chandler for that matter.
Everyone was silenced except the actual accusers.

respect77 said:
BTW, I think spouting this hot air in the media may backfire on them in the long term.
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If they end up in trial the Estate should absolutely use these dirty tricks against Robson.
No real victims needs to play such games.
 
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Was MJ ever in Morocco at all?
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Never stopped dimond and the kid from canada.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

terrell said:
Sorry but I do. Most people are not sitting around worrying about gossip on MJ. Most people know the media is trash especially tabloids. Like i keep saying, We love MJ so we are going to take things harder than the next person. There are people who can careless about what tabloid says about MJ, those people still love him but they are not going to write, email, etc over the stories. Also, a lot of people who are not reading this nonsense because they are busy with their own lives. Then, you have haters. You can point these kind of people out quickly and they will believe whatever they want about MJ either because they were jealous of Mike, do not like blacks, or like to find fault in famous people no matter who they are. And internet trolls, forget about them. THEY DEGRADED people just for the pure entertainment to keep drama going. MJ music is still being played, his music is still be requested on the radio, his style is still being admired, his music even in this time in America is being inspirational, my Sgt did the Moonwalk for our office event and everyone (police officers) went crazy over it and some even told him "you are no Michael. MJ would be upset with you messing up his moves". I can go on. So yes, it is fraustrating to see these stories (mostly in the British press) but I still keep it in perspective to know that NOT EVERYONE is following up this trash even if they read it. Remember, the media give the attention to those who talk the most trash but will overlook good thinking people. Dirt get attention. And you have to remember on boards like Radar online, there are just a few people who talk bad about Mj but they use different names to post. I notice that about that site and I will not go back on it because that is how they work. I said this same thing when Mike was alive. If Mj was so disliked, the world would NOT have mourned him in the way in which they did. My city had 5 celebrations even in the big civic center which was full when Mj died. That is LOVE for a man. And lets not forget the SOLD OUT 50 shows and his new cds all went to NUMBER ONE something many artists from his era can not do no more. And no one with a brain or crediablity is covering Wade not even when he first spoke in 2013 on the today show. I think in the end all of this is going to work out in MJ's favor overall.
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I didn't imply anywhere that most people don't like or respect MJ or his music, you're making a straw man argument there. I'm not just talking about people on the radar online stories, I don't think I even read the comments there. What I've read is comments from people on Facebook posts where bullshit stories have been posted. I've seen many people believe this garbage (including people in my own social circle, I told someone off the other day of Facebook for the bullshit they spat out) and many likes on the comments they make about it and no, it's not just 'haters' or 'trolls' making those comments. Fans seem to put anyone who believes the allegations against MJ into one of those two categories but those are not in fact the only two options. Many people who fall for these lies do so because they don't know any better, not because they're active trolls or haters. I saw many posts with people saying they changed their minds about MJ because they believed the child porn story, these stories are in fact fooling people which is why I keep debating with and challenging people. Yes, not everyone believes it, some are smart enough not to, I never claimed that 'everyone' believed this. The most encouraging post I saw was when the satirical Facebook page named 'God' posted the child porn story acting as if it were true and there was a mixture of reactions. There tend to be more people in the atheist community that are active critical and logical thinkers so there were a number of posters who weren't fans airing their disappointment about the low quality article and calling out the fact that the source was bad. That one post was where I saw the most scepticism. I'm just airing my frustration that there are people falling for this and it pisses me off.
 
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MJresearcher said:
I'm just airing my frustration that there are people falling for this and it pisses me off.
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I've seen the same. It's incredible how many morons are out there who somehow believe that police found child porn and
MJ was still not charged for it not convicted the media didn't make a big deal out of it in 2005 Sneddon would simply ignore it etc.

Did you post these articles to those who changed their mind?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry..._us_577fdfbce4b0f06648f4a3f8?527bb2ao01azia4i

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...c&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

Did you point out that the police report itself states repeatedly that what they found was not child porn?
did you tell them that people get convicted based on police reports in North Korea in the US there are trials
where the government's bullshit can be countered by the defense?
And most of all did you ask them why someone who is supposedly into boys would have all these hetero adult
magazines over 12 years?
https://www.scribd.com/document/317...magazines-presented-in-court-on-March-25-2005
I noticed that people don't have an explanation for that so they simply ignore it.
 
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You cant reason with stupidity. You have to rememer that some are nothing but trolls looking to get a reaction and dont give a flip about mj either way. Sometimes you have to let people wallow in their own s*** or you will drive yourself mad
 
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More lies i just wondering how much will judge allow because these are all lies.
 
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#MJforevee57 said:
More lies i just wondering how much will judge allow because these are all lies.
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The judge can believe this is BS but he still have to let it run its course and let everything still be heard.
 
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MJresearcher said:
I didn't imply anywhere that most people don't like or respect MJ or his music, you're making a straw man argument there. I'm not just talking about people on the radar online stories, I don't think I even read the comments there. What I've read is comments from people on Facebook posts where bullshit stories have been posted. I've seen many people believe this garbage (including people in my own social circle, I told someone off the other day of Facebook for the bullshit they spat out) and many likes on the comments they make about it and no, it's not just 'haters' or 'trolls' making those comments. Fans seem to put anyone who believes the allegations against MJ into one of those two categories but those are not in fact the only two options. Many people who fall for these lies do so because they don't know any better, not because they're active trolls or haters. I saw many posts with people saying they changed their minds about MJ because they believed the child porn story, these stories are in fact fooling people which is why I keep debating with and challenging people. Yes, not everyone believes it, some are smart enough not to, I never claimed that 'everyone' believed this. The most encouraging post I saw was when the satirical Facebook page named 'God' posted the child porn story acting as if it were true and there was a mixture of reactions. There tend to be more people in the atheist community that are active critical and logical thinkers so there were a number of posters who weren't fans airing their disappointment about the low quality article and calling out the fact that the source was bad. That one post was where I saw the most scepticism. I'm just airing my frustration that there are people falling for this and it pisses me off.
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I understand. Luckly for me no one in my circle believe it and not even on my job. also, if there are people on facebook (some of them are shady as well) who changed their mind based on the "porn" story, that only shows they follow where ever the winds blow. to people with that kind of thinking, you just give them the facts; I they are true to wanting to know the truth, they will listen; if not, then they really always believe the lies but trying to hide behind that they changed their mind. with all the nonsense since these claims, real people who want to know the truth will listen.
 
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In other News! Tabloid stories are having a negative effect on Jacksons record sales! Lol #ones currently #17 on iTunes and Thriller #35. US iTunes. Fact Mj still and always will rule. Ignore the hate.?
 
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Wade's lawyer's request in the letter is a little ironic given that the Chandlers were the ones suing Michael (and Lisa Marie) after the Prime Time Live interview, where they didn't say anything. Later the Chandlers also found a way to write a book about it. Their claim is BS even with the existing accusers.
 
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Someone just stated on twitter that Wade's lawyers wants to call Gavin Arvizo as a witness. I couldn't help but laugh. Gavin isn't going to testify because he knows he'll just get caught in a lie. Hell, he and his family couldn't even get their stories straight in court, so what makes Wade and his lawyers think that they will get it straight now?
 
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dannyboy72 said:
Someone just stated on twitter that Wade's lawyers wants to call Gavin Arvizo as a witness. I couldn't help but laugh. Gavin isn't going to testify because he knows he'll just get caught in a lie. Hell, he and his family couldn't even get their stories straight in court, so what makes Wade and his lawyers think that they will get it straight now?
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I think all these things just come from tabloid speculation. One of the tabloids said "MJs first accuser now may publicly speak out for the first time." Obviously this was based on that letter by Robson's lawyers that they wanted the Estate to release former accusers from Confidentiality Agreements. I doubt Jordan would actually want anything to do with it. He never did. And he was given plenty of opportunities to speak out in court if he had wanted. These lawyers try to make it look like these accusers were somehow forced into silence when in fact it was their own choice. There is not a more proper platform to speak out than a court. It is more proper than tabloid articles. Jordan always declined every opportunity to tell his allegations in a court. In fact, when the prosecution tried to make him in 2005 he threatened them with legal action.
 
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respect77 said:
I think all these things just come from tabloid speculation. One of the tabloids said "MJs first accuser now may publicly speak out for the first time." Obviously this was based on that letter by Robson's lawyers that they wanted the Estate to release former accusers from Confidentiality Agreements. I doubt Jordan would actually want anything to do with it. He never did. And he was given plenty of opportunities to speak out in court if he had wanted. These lawyers try to make it look like these accusers were somehow forced into silence when in fact it was their own choice. There is not a more proper platform to speak out than a court. It is more proper than tabloid articles. Jordan always declined every opportunity to tell his allegations in a court. In fact, when the prosecution tried to make him in 2005 he threatened them with legal action.
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If Jordan does speaks, it better be done to say he lied because his father put him up to do it. that is telling the TRUTh. He better remember that there is a God that he must answer to beyond death when we all leave this earth. Yes, what his father did to him as a kid was on his father, but now, the lie is on Jordan. He is allowing the Ten commandment of "baring false witness of thy neighbor" to continue.
 
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dannyboy72 said:
Someone just stated on twitter that Wade's lawyers wants to call Gavin Arvizo as a witness.
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Who is this someone and how does he know what Robson's lawyer wants to do?
If he does that will only undermine Robson. There is so much ammunition against Arvizo it's not even funny.

Smooth72 said:
In other News! Tabloid stories are having a negative effect on Jacksons record sales! Lol #ones currently #17 on iTunes and Thriller #35. US iTunes. Fact Mj still and always will rule. Ignore the hate.??
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:punk:

haha.jpg
 
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Smooth72 said:
In other News! Tabloid stories are having a negative effect on Jacksons record sales! Lol #ones currently #17 on iTunes and Thriller #35. US iTunes. Fact Mj still and always will rule. Ignore the hate.?
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This is wht I have been saying and this is all the proof you need on how people feel about MJ. Go Michael.
 
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dannyboy72 said:
Someone just stated on twitter that Wade's lawyers wants to call Gavin Arvizo as a witness. I couldn't help but laugh. Gavin isn't going to testify because he knows he'll just get caught in a lie. Hell, he and his family couldn't even get their stories straight in court, so what makes Wade and his lawyers think that they will get it straight now?
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If he Gavin does t mez has a right to get involved and I think he will
 
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terrell said:
If Jordan does speaks, it better be done to say he lied because his father put him up to do it. that is telling the TRUTh. He better remember that there is a God that he must answer to beyond death when we all leave this earth. Yes, what his father did to him as a kid was on his father, but now, the lie is on Jordan. He is allowing the Ten commandment of "baring false witness of thy neighbor" to continue.
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Jordan won't be on wade's side and testify cuz hell why would he when he had a chance in 2005! Jordan had the chance in 2005 to put away his alleged "molestor" behind bars and he didnt and won't make any sense now Jordan coming out now and testifying
 
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