[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That's so desperate on their part. They did not mention safef@ck, so he is probably still represented by the other losers.not like he has a chance really.

Hmm, did they ever include references to both of them before?

Because if they've both strangely decided to part over this issue, it would be interesting.

It's interesting enough that he's changed lawyers already. A little fracturing it would look like.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

first of all "worse than anything I've seen during the trial", really?
As I said the 2003 allegations were heavily reported in USA. It didn't taint the jurors then. I don't think jurors will be tainted now to support a person with a credibility issues against a deceased person.

In 2003 there were allegations and innuendo no screaming headlines about gruesome porn and animal abuse, the media didn't fool millions that child porn was found let alone that MJ was a sadistic pedophile. This is new. Thanks to Radar's smear campaign many now believe there was actual proof not just allegations. So yes it's worse.
And you forget that three jurors were tainted, even with the high standard of proof they first voted guilty.
I wish you were right about jurors being reasonable but I don't see much reason when it comes to MJ. People readily ignore the most obvious exculpatory evidence and repeat what they picked up from the media. And the Estate does nothing to
refute any of that.

Now this is just silly and makes no sense. Whatever happens show at the case summary.

Hm right. That's why you could read comments on this very board like "I wonder what happened in court so they wanted to stir
it up in the media again". That's why we don't have a clue what is going on with the Safechuck demurrer. Fact is before
Beckloff was moved we knew a lot about Robson's tactics and the Estate's response and that info was and is very relevant to
effectively argue against those who bring up Robson as yet another "victim". We know about his lies and contradictions because we had access to those documents. Now we don't. instead we have his scumbag lawyer giving interviews and the Estate once against says nothing to refute him. That this should be fought in court not in the media does not hold any water when MJ is being
trashed in the court of public opinion.

It's not my "job" , it's something I do voluntarily. No celebrity alive or dead, keeps their fans informed about the legal cases.

I didn't mean you are paid for doing it. It's just that it's irritating that without a fan's effort we would be in the dark when so much is at stake. We are not talking about some legal issue but the very thing which could destroy MJ's legacy forever.
It's not the Estate who is fighting against the lies every day it's the fans. And fans need facts to do that, facts which can only be found in those documents, like the probate ruling or Robson's request to file under seal.
I don't care about what other celebrity does or whether it's common to share legal documents with fans.
This case is different and unique and if you don't understand it, fine. We agree to disagree.

PS: I know you are here under multiple accounts. It would be better if you come clean and ask your accounts to be merged. Or you might lose all your accounts.

I have used this account alone for a long time. You can delete whatever you want.

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes, I hate Wade the most out of all of them.

He is doing this to MJ's teenage grieving children.

I do not believe Jordan Chandler would ever have done this to MJ's kids.

Jordan is still just as bad because he is still letting these lies go on. He is still just as bad and I feel help lead to the death of Michael. Jordan father is gone, Sneddon is gone, his case was over 20 years. He can clear this lie. There have been people to clear others name. He can do it but he does not because he is enjoying his blood money, but he does not know, before he leave tis earth that God is going to make him pay for "bearing false witnesses to his neighbor" that caused harm.

 

[terrell]

Redfrog, sorry but I do not think this latest article is worst we love MJ so we take it harder; but like we said, people either love Mike or not. And I do not think many people read that article as must as you think. Maybe people around you but I do not think overall. I give people credit and I think most good thinking people know the media and really see this as no more than picking on MJ.

He only reconciled with June after she testified against Mj. like father like son, both the scum of the earth.

And her testimony was not terrible. I remember one reporting saying about June that she seem to help MJ in her testimony.

Judas Chandler only ruined MJ's life and caused his early demise. That money hungry son of bitch started it all with his father. Mj could have ended up in jail for 20 years still that scumbag could not care any less.

I agree. And telling people MJ did not abuse him in private, as claimed, is nothing. DO IT PUBLICLY.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

And her testimony was not terrible. I remember one reporting saying about June that she seem to help MJ in her testimony.

She did not enter that court room with any intention but to help Sneddon put Mj behinds bars. How her testimony turned out to be does not change that fact, and the fact that only then judas reconciled with her.

 

[ILoveHIStory]

Wade Robson Hires New Legal Team In Rape Claims Trial Against Michael Jackson’s Estate

by RadarOFFline

Robson will head to trial next March in his civil case against MJJ Ventures and MJJ Productions.

Though a judge in the case originally dismissed the Australian dancer and choreographer’s rape claims in 2015, he refiled an amended complaint, which was then accepted by the court.

“Plaintiff Wade Robson has alleged sufficient facts of a business environment connection between him and defendants,” wrote Judge Mitchell Beckloff in his decision. “Certainly, there are allegations Michael Jackson sexually abused plaintiff prior to any business relationship.”

+

be brave and discuss it on RO, and report and flag all the haters.... repeatedly.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

be brave and discuss it on RO, and report and flag all the haters.... repeatedly.

The worst thing a fan can do.

Haters gonna hate. There is no use going among them on Radar to fight with them there. It only drives up Radar's traffic which is contributing to what they want.

"To read it is to feed it". In the Internet era that is "to click on it is to feed it".

And Radar obviously does not understand court docs - the way they quote and interpret them. SMH.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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[SarahJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

And Radar obviously does not understand court docs - the way they quote and interpret them. SMH.

Oh they understand them all right. Their just spinning them anyway they want, because they know most people wont read the entire document.

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

In 2003 there were allegations and innuendo no screaming headlines about gruesome porn and animal abuse, the media didn't fool millions that child porn was found let alone that MJ was a sadistic pedophile. This is new. Thanks to Radar's smear campaign many now believe there was actual proof not just allegations. So yes it's worse.
And you forget that three jurors were tainted, even with the high standard of proof they first voted guilty.
I wish you were right about jurors being reasonable but I don't see much reason when it comes to MJ. People readily ignore the most obvious exculpatory evidence and repeat what they picked up from the media. And the Estate does nothing to refute any of that.

I guess time has done its job if you don't remember headlines and tabloid stories from 2003-2005.

Do you seriously think that if the estate issues statement for every tabloid story, media will stop printing garbage and people will believe what the estate has to say?
People who thinks Michael is guilty of all sort of things, they are not going to change their minds of him if the estate says it is garbage, or even if Michael's family says something to defend him. They are supposed to be MJ's camp, thus what they say has no weight. It only makes you feel better to read that there is someone defending Michael. They can issue statements left, right and centre, but it is not certain that media will print them as it doesn't generate hits like dirty tabloid story. Did you see any media picking up Raven's Huff story? No, because it is not scandalous. Did you see many tabloids picking the estate's statement, or did it stop tabloids from printing more stories? No.

My solution would be that you got to stop living under the tabloid articles and giving clicks to them and feeding the beast.
A few words from Tabloid Junkie song:
To buy it is to feed it - you clicking it
To read it sanctifies it - you clicking it

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

*Edit* the scum mirror uk rag has mj on the front page. Thought it was about this but its about murrays book (when did that happen?) Panic over i guess?

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Shouldn't there be a ruling for Safechuck's case by now? Is it possible to find out if it survived the demurrer?

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Shouldn't there be a ruling for Safechuck's case by now? Is it possible to find out if it survived the demurrer?

I guess in the Robson case they are doing discovery for summary judgement that's why there is nothing going on in the court system. In the Safechuck case maybe there have been delays or a discovery requested in the demurrer decision? I can't think of much else. If there had been a decision either way it would be filed by now I think, but there are no new filings ever since.

I find it interesting that these new lawyers only represent Robson (so far) but not Safechuck. Did Safechuck decide to stay with Gradstein/Marzano? Or he is waiting to see the demurrer result before he decides to switch? Or is his case already thrown out? But that would be filed already I think so we can only speculate.

 

[gerryevans]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I guess time has done its job if you don't remember headlines and tabloid stories from 2003-2005.

Do you seriously think that if the estate issues statement for every tabloid story, media will stop printing garbage and people will believe what the estate has to say?
People who thinks Michael is guilty of all sort of things, they are not going to change their minds of him if the estate says it is garbage, or even if Michael's family says something to defend him. They are supposed to be MJ's camp, thus what they say has no weight. It only makes you feel better to read that there is someone defending Michael. They can issue statements left, right and centre, but it is not certain that media will print them as it doesn't generate hits like dirty tabloid story. Did you see any media picking up Raven's Huff story? No, because it is not scandalous. Did you see many tabloids picking the estate's statement, or did it stop tabloids from printing more stories? No.

My solution would be that you got to stop living under the tabloid articles and giving clicks to them and feeding the beast.
A few words from Tabloid Junkie song:
To buy it is to feed it - you clicking it
To read it sanctifies it - you clicking it

So true. His accusers could hold a press conference and admit they all lied. And the tabloids would say they were paid to say it. And the haters would be harassing the accusers for lying at the press conference.

For the tabs, they make money off untruths about MJ. For the haters, they HAVE to believe negatives about MJ to justify their beliefs and elevate themselves. Many hate MJ because they refuse to accept he was not only inordinately talented, but was a good man. That's beyond reason for some to believe and worse for them to ever think "I was wrong about him". That's just how it is.

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

How did all these supposed secret settlements Robson's lawyers talk about fail to appear in the court system at all I wonder? Actually, I don't wonder. That's not how any of this works. Being lawyers they'd know damn well that even when settlements do occur that they don't force people to stay silent, not talking or cooperating with authorities is a choice the accuser makes. Sure, they can argue threats and being frightened but that's what protective custody is for. All of MJ's finances and friends had been thoroughly investigated and they came up with nothing, I guess spreading around desperate rumours is all you can do when you have don't have squat. If these lawyers are relying on media reports being true regarding accusers and settlements then it doesn't say anything good about their credibility.

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So true. His accusers could hold a press conference and admit they all lied. And the tabloids would say they were paid to say it. And the haters would be harassing the accusers for lying at the press conference.

For the tabs, they make money off untruths about MJ. For the haters, they HAVE to believe negatives about MJ to justify their beliefs and elevate themselves. Many hate MJ because they refuse to accept he was not only inordinately talented, but was a good man. That's beyond reason for some to believe and worse for them to ever think "I was wrong about him". That's just how it is.

It would NOT matter what tabloid think. If the person said it did not happen, that is enuf and if some challenge someone who said they were not abuse, that tabloid would look even more stupid. This was just like Latoya who ADMITTED she lied on MJ when she was with Jack Gordon (she defended MJ in 1993 when the accusation came out but that Decemeber jumped on the bandwagon with Jack Gordon and later admitted she lied on MJ to Larry King due to jack threathening her if she did not say that about MJ. She was quoted by haters and tabloids but Not any more).

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sorry but no is caring about this foolishness at least not in the US. Our main interest right now is the election, the killings of unarm blacks and the five cops, and the killings in Nice, France. I know it ticks us off as fans to read this tabloid nonsense and I will debate it with internet trolls and haters BUT in doing so I will not get myself upset because I know I am dealing with idiots (haters) or internet trolls (who trashes EVERYONE on the internet). I keep it in perceptive. And this latest stuff will NOT effect Michael. This weekend in my city, they are playing MJ 1995 music (history cd) which was REQUESTED by the public to be played this weekend. I just happen to catch it riding in the car and I did not know about this. I do no want the Jackson to say nothing about this nonsense in the public. Let Wade and his stupid lawyer talk to the tabloids. Again, I know GOOD THINKING people knw the difference and this all of a sudden nonsense only proves this is BS. The only time I will want the family to speak is if I see it on CNN, Foxnews, MSNBC, Entertainment Tonight, or E news. In a tabloid, who cares. We as the fans can handle that.

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I guess time has done its job if you don't remember headlines and tabloid stories from 2003-2005.

Do you seriously think that if the estate issues statement for every tabloid story, media will stop printing garbage and people will believe what the estate has to say?
People who thinks Michael is guilty of all sort of things, they are not going to change their minds of him if the estate says it is garbage, or even if Michael's family says something to defend him. They are supposed to be MJ's camp, thus what they say has no weight. It only makes you feel better to read that there is someone defending Michael. They can issue statements left, right and centre, but it is not certain that media will print them as it doesn't generate hits like dirty tabloid story. Did you see any media picking up Raven's Huff story? No, because it is not scandalous. Did you see many tabloids picking the estate's statement, or did it stop tabloids from printing more stories? No.

My solution would be that you got to stop living under the tabloid articles and giving clicks to them and feeding the beast.
A few words from Tabloid Junkie song:
To buy it is to feed it - you clicking it
To read it sanctifies it - you clicking it

And MOST people know tabloids are trash and haters talk the most. As I say "Wolves holler the loudest at the MOON but what is the brightest and the strongest and will stand the test of time even when those wolves are dead and gone? THE MOON".

 

[gerryevans]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I wish these new lawyers would be sent a box from MJ's team with "per your request, please find settlements enclosed" and it be empty, except for the articles with comments THEIR client made in the media about MJ never inappropriately touching him since they like parroting the media so much.

 

[ILoveHIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Isnt it weird that most if not all bombshell tabloid/news stories have came out shortly before or immediately after some big world event?
Just try to find out and compare...

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I wish these new lawyers would be sent a box from MJ's team with "per your request, please find settlements enclosed" and it be empty, except for the articles with comments THEIR client made in the media about MJ never inappropriately touching him since they like parroting the media so much.

Wish we had a laugh button.

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'll expecting more people in the general public to blindly compare MJ to what happened with the Catholic Church, especially now that the lawyers handling Wade's case worked on those cases. A lot of people are going to blindly believe this and the victim's advocates will probably start jumping on it too. Trying to get people to stop and think and give them facts isn't going to be easy. There's goi g to be a lot of appeals to emotion flying around.

 

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wish we had a laugh button.

We do it's this :lol:

 

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The only way we can stop this is the estate and Jackson family work with US and not use mj for money,but sadly that won't happen

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It would NOT matter what tabloid think. If the person said it did not happen, that is enuf and if some challenge someone who said they were not abuse, that tabloid would look even more stupid. This was just like Latoya who ADMITTED she lied on MJ when she was with Jack Gordon (she defended MJ in 1993 when the accusation came out but that Decemeber jumped on the bandwagon with Jack Gordon and later admitted she lied on MJ to Larry King due to jack threathening her if she did not say that about MJ. She was quoted by haters and tabloids but Not any more).

And MOST people know tabloids are trash and haters talk the most. As I say "Wolves holler the loudest at the MOON but what is the brightest and the strongest and will stand the test of time even when those wolves are dead and gone? THE MOON".

I'll expecting more people in the general public to blindly compare MJ to what happened with the Catholic Church, especially now that the lawyers handling Wade's case worked on those cases. A lot of people are going to blindly believe this and the victim's advocates will probably start jumping on it too. Trying to get people to stop and think and give them facts isn't going to be easy. There's goi g to be a lot of appeals to emotion flying around.

Sorry but I doubt it. And how many of those catholic church victims ever went and DEFENDED those priests in a court of law? NONE. So what if these lawyers workded on some of those cases. They are still lawyers looking to make money. MJ had a TRIAL and the evidence backed it up and a lot of people even some who use to think Mj was guilty changed their minds; in the case with these priest, many of abuse was PROVEN and many of them ADMITTED they did it. Big difference. And victims advocates did NOT go up against MJ in 1993 nor in 2005 even when the claims were made in 2003 and I do not think any advocate with Creditabilty is going to bother MJ now due to Wade some who DEFENDED MJ IN court of law.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Taj tweeted this. So Robson was at MJ's memorial after all.

I'll expecting more people in the general public to blindly compare MJ to what happened with the Catholic Church, especially now that the lawyers handling Wade's case worked on those cases.

Well there is nothing you can do against idiocy.
But why in the world would any reasonable person compare them? They are nothing alike. MJ was investigated and put on trial while alive.
Robson testified for him twice under oath. Safehuck also gave sworn statements that nothing ever happened.
So did their parents.
That never happened with any of the real victims of the Church. There is not one case where
grown men who were molested testified for a priest who molested them then after the priest died they changed their story
and sued the Church.
Every ten years some loser who wants to make millions accuses MJ of molestation. That's not what happened with the Church.
One someone broke the ice the other victims joined them. That's what happens with real molesters.

And nobody not even Zonen and Sneddon accused Mj's companies of any cover up.
Sneddon didn't even bother to call any witness from any of those companies.
He didn't call Norma Staikos either. He didn't call Orietta Murdoch. He called nobody except Bob Jones and he didn't accuse him
of any cover up.
It's not like the companies moved MJ from one place to the other once they learned that he molested kids like the Church moved priests. Not to mention the Church controlled the priests not the other way around. MJ controlled the companies they had no business to tell MJ what to do in his personal life.

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Redfrog, it is great that Taj kept that email/tweet. that can be use in court if this nonsense go to trial. One judge already threw his case out once but Wade refile. He probably hae new lawyers because the old one woke up to his nonsense and dropped from the case.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wasn't there somebody here in the forum who sat behind Wade and said he bawled like a baby all through the memorial? I think she told that story after Wade claimed he hadn't ever cried since Michael died-he couldn't cry.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

One judge already threw his case out once but Wade refile. He probably hae new lawyers because the old one woke up to his nonsense and dropped from the case.

I think it's the same judge. His probate claim was denied but the decision on the lawsuit against the companies is still pending.
Remember this lawyer said they have to prove that someone at the company knew that Wade was abused.
they had to prove that to get a favorable summary judgement.
Actually they also have to prove that that person could have controlled MJ and separate Robson from him.
Which is quite ridiculous since it was Robson himself and his mother who willingly and happily grabbed every opportunity
to be with MJ.

It's also ridiculous because the people who knew that Robson slept in MJ's bedroom were not only his mother, father
and grandparents but the people who worked on the ranch. And Robson is not suing any of those people for negligence.
He is not suing Blanca Francia either whom he claims saw him in the shower with MJ and did nothing after that!
She did nothing to protect him but Robson wants to use him as a star witness with all of her shower story that exists
in FOUR different versions!

He has THESE new lawyers because he is desperate for a settlement and these lawyer play really dirty trying to
win the case in the media and convince everyone and their momma to accuse MJ.
These are the same lawyers who worked for Michael Egan, another false accuser fraud who actually has been
convicted for fraud. Egan also claimed he was raped and falsely accused three men of molestation.

I hope if this shit goes to trial everyone who saw Robson with MJ including Brandi Jackson, Taj Jackson
will testify on MJ's behalf. Taj especially since he is a REAL molestation victim whom MJ helped to
deal with the trauma.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wasn't there somebody here in the forum who sat behind Wade and said he bawled like a baby all through the memorial? I think she told that story after Wade claimed he hadn't ever cried since Michael died-he couldn't
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Yes it was said at the time .he attended both the memorial and the funeral if im remembering right.