[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[SarahJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think all these things just come from tabloid speculation. One of the tabloids said "MJs first accuser now may publicly speak out for the first time." Obviously this was based on that letter by Robson's lawyers that they wanted the Estate to release former accusers from Confidentiality Agreements. I doubt Jordan would actually want anything to do with it. He never did. And he was given plenty of opportunities to speak out in court if he had wanted. These lawyers try to make it look like these accusers were somehow forced into silence when in fact it was their own choice. There is not a more proper platform to speak out than a court. It is more proper than tabloid articles. Jordan always declined every opportunity to tell his allegations in a court. In fact, when the prosecution tried to make him in 2005 he threatened them with legal action.

Using the word "May" is wishful thinking on their part and they know it. I notice in coverage of the '05 trial that word was used alot and.."he may get convicted of", "they may testify to" etc..And 99.9% of the time whatever they referred to never happened.

You are so right. There is no better venue for him to have spoken out than a court of law. The fact he consistently refuses to testify under oath speaks volumes.

 

[HIStory]

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Using the word "May" is wishful thinking on their part and they know it. I notice in coverage of the '05 trial that word was used alot and.."he may get convicted of", "they may testify to" etc..And 99.9% of the time whatever they referred to never happened.

Oh definitely wishful thinking. Same as in 2005. Then too they were daydreaming about Jordan testifying and they though the prospect must be so scary to MJ. Instead, both Jordan and Ray Chandler were running scared from testifying. Like said Jordan threatened the prosecution with legal action if they attempted to force him to testify and MJ's own defense wanted to get Ray on the stand and he fought tooth and nail. LOL.

But the media loves to act as if these people were somehow forced into silence and cannot wait the opportunity to "speak out". In reality, Jordan could have spoken out virtually all his adult life if he had wanted. Sneddon extended the statutes of limitations for him, so he could have brought charges against MJ basically until the early 2000s. Then he could have testified at the Arvizo trial. On contary with popular belief no one was silenced, but they had plenty of opportunities to lawfully speak out without any danger of violating the confidentiality agreement. And in fact, Evan and Ray even found a loophole to publish a book and they also kept feeding tabloids through Ray. Virtually the only narrative out there in the media for a long time has been the Chandler narrative (with a few exeptions, like Mary Fischer's GQ article). Poor "oppressed", "silenced" ones.

 

[SarahJ]

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True again, especially about the Chandler narrative. People are usually surprised when I tell them that most of the spin about those claims comes from the claims of the Chandler/media camps and that MJ's side is not available, other than the few small restricted statements he was able to make. The same tale has been rehashed so many times that most accept it as fact.
I'm sure he did speak in detail re: depositions etc..but it's not publicly available. His side of the story has never really been told.
Chandler's been running scared since '93 and has managed to never be cross-examined under oath. Neat trick that.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

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So i was visiting my mom and her boyfriend and he likes to watch a lot of TV and he started talking about how Mike was in the news again and i could hear the doubts in his voice, or more like that he believed it all. He said something about a doctor? Something on the news these days regarding Mike and a doctor. Another day, another tabloid piece of trash i bet. After a while my mom's boyfriend began to say...hey don't worry about it, i mean Elvis loved 14 year old girls as well. All these superstars have something of about them.

Sigh.

What's the latest on this? this doctor thing.

 

[HIStory]

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So i was visiting my mom and her boyfriend and he likes to watch a lot of TV and he started talking about how Mike was in the news again and i could hear the doubts in his voice, or more like that he believed it all. He said something about a doctor? Something on the news these days regarding Mike and a doctor. Another day, another tabloid piece of trash i bet. After a while my mom's boyfriend began to say...hey don't worry about it, i mean Elvis loved 14 year old girls as well. All these superstars have something of about them.

Sigh.

What's the latest on this? this doctor thing.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/130639-Conrad-Murray-News-and-discussion-thread-No-Links-allowed/page38?p=4156536&viewfull=1#post4156536


I am surprised every time that people really believe nonsensical tabloid stories and obvious lies like that.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

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http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/130639-Conrad-Murray-News-and-discussion-thread-No-Links-allowed/page38?p=4156536&viewfull=1#post4156536


I am surprised every time that people really believe nonsensical tabloid stories and obvious lies like that.

It's actually Murray? Jesus Christ...pathetic.

To be honest i am not even surprised anymore. As soon as my mom's boyfriend started talking it was crystal clear he already had made his mind up. But he said he didn't even care, and then started talking about Elvis..in the sense of...''Elvis liked very young people as well...'' as well.....is a clear sign of his opinion on Mike and frankly...i don't even care anymore. I told him that he would be flabbergasted if he truly knew how much bullshit goes around, flat out lies that have already been proven to be nonsense, yet the media treats it like brand new news. But he clearly wasn't taking anything serious about what i said. I am done with people, in this regard.

 

[terrell]

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It's actually Murray? Jesus Christ...pathetic.

To be honest i am not even surprised anymore. As soon as my mom's boyfriend started talking it was crystal clear he already had made his mind up. But he said he didn't even care, and then started talking about Elvis..in the sense of...''Elvis liked very young people as well...'' as well.....is a clear sign of his opinion on Mike and frankly...i don't even care anymore. I told him that he would be flabbergasted if he truly knew how much bullshit goes around, flat out lies that have already been proven to be nonsense, yet the media treats it like brand new news. But he clearly wasn't taking anything serious about what i said. I am done with people, in this regard.

Your mother's boyfriend does not represent all people. If he did not want to hear the truth sound like your mother's boyfriend is revealing something about HIMSELF. it is clear this is nonsense about MJ . And he had the nerve to tallk about Elvis. Elvis has nothing to do with Mike. keep your head up.

 

[redfrog]

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So i was visiting my mom and her boyfriend and he likes to watch a lot of TV and he started talking about how Mike was in the news again

What? What kind of TV news would even bother to mention this tabloid junk? Where did he see this?

My experience is that those who insist MJ was guilty really do not want to hear the evidence. They repeat the same old crap about
paying off little boys and sleeping with little boys and Jordan describing his wang and when I point out that all of those are lies, or half truths they simply stop listening. It's like they WANT MJ to be a pervert no matter what. They are sick.

 

[terrell]

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What? What kind of TV news would even bother to mention this tabloid junk? Where did he see this?

Sound like he loves young girls. I bet if you look into that boyfriend's past, you will find something. Based on what Staffordshire B is saying, people who act like that boyfriend are often up to something or been up to something. he knows Stafford is a fan of Mj yet he say what she is saying to here. Everyone with a brain know tabloid lies especially in London papers. And now this from a doctor who killed MJ and suppose to not talk about MJ but does, that says it all.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

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What? What kind of TV news would even bother to mention this tabloid junk? Where did he see this?

My experience is that those who insist MJ was guilty really do not want to hear the evidence. They repeat the same old crap about
paying off little boys and sleeping with little boys and Jordan describing his wang and when I point out that all of those are lies, or half truths they simply stop listening. It's like they WANT MJ to be a pervert no matter what. They are sick.

My guess is RTL Boulevard or Shownews or something similar. Boulevard is known to cover all kinds of trash with that idiot hypocrit called Albert Verlinde taking the cake. And it's exactly as you say, it's best to just ignore those people, i am more than done with them.

Your mother's boyfriend does not represent all people. If he did not want to hear the truth sound like your mother's boyfriend is revealing something about HIMSELF. it is clear this is nonsense about MJ . And he had the nerve to tallk about Elvis. Elvis has nothing to do with Mike. keep your head up.

Hmmm..well he has done things in his past but nothing involving children or anyting, that i am pretty sure of. It's just incredibly hateful that he talks about this crap as if it's confirmed. And then to actually talk about Elvis....i was like...dude why are you bringing up Elvis now? I didn't even ask about him. And get this...at one point he said ''Jeez...even Hitler had good things about him. Next to the not so great things...'' and then i simply said...''please don't do this, are we actually going to mention Hitler now? You have no idea what you are talking about.'' when it was quite clear we were not going to agree with eachother...i simply said i was done with this nonsense and whatever the media says from now on....i don't care. Hopefully that keeps him quiet from now on.

He said i should not care so much about it and then i said i really do. I said i would feel pretty damn bad and weird if it turned out i have been supporting a person for all these years that turns out had been destroying the lives of children after all. That;s the thing right there, these people obviously don't realize that for the hardcore MJ fans it's FAR from only about the amazing music and videos. It's about the human being as well, the human being that cared more about other lives than his own, the human being that got taken advantage of by people i can only call poison and will eventually have karma catching up to them. I am sure of that. Evan Chandler was the first one.

 

[terrell]

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My guess is RTL Boulevard or Shownews or something similar. Boulevard is known to cover all kinds of trash with that idiot hypocrit called Albert Verlinde taking the cake. And it's exactly as you say, it's best to just ignore those people, i am more than done with them.



Hmmm..well he has done things in his past but nothing involving children or anyting, that i am pretty sure of. It's just incredibly hateful that he talks about this crap as if it's confirmed. And then to actually talk about Elvis....i was like...dude why are you bringing up Elvis now? I didn't even ask about him. And get this...at one point he said ''Jeez...even Hitler had good things about him. Next to the not so great things...'' and then i simply said...''please don't do this, are we actually going to mention Hitler now? You have no idea what you are talking about.'' when it was quite clear we were not going to agree with eachother...i simply said i was done with this nonsense and whatever the media says from now on....i don't care. Hopefully that keeps him quiet from now on.

He said i should not care so much about it and then i said i really do. I said i would feel pretty damn bad and weird if it turned out i have been supporting a person for all these years that turns out had been destroying the lives of children after all. That;s the thing right there, these people obviously don't realize that for the hardcore MJ fans it's FAR from only about the amazing music and videos. It's about the human being as well, the human being that cared more about other lives than his own, the human being that got taken advantage of by people i can only call poison and will eventually have karma catching up to them. I am sure of that. Evan Chandler was the first one.

You told him. Good job. And that is all you have to say but he better be careful, the same way MJ can be lied on, your mothers boyfriend can be lied on. He better remember that.

 

[terrell]

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Here is another thing when some people want to try to compare Michael case to other cases when talking about MJ's innocent. if someone bring up about "well O J Simpson was aquitted, you have to bring up that he LOST in a CIVIL TRIAL and his case was a MURDER case. Like the person wanted to bring up about Elvis and hilter (stupid which has nothing to do with Mike's case) want to make an example, fans or people who want to defend Michael can bring up cases about Duke Lacross team and about a case in GA prettaining to a teacher name TONYA CRAFT, who was accussed and aquitted of 22 counts of child molestation in Catoosa County, GA. She has a story similar to MJ. And she was falsely accused in 2005 and was aquitted in 2008. Fans need to read her story.


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/TheLaw/ge...t-accused-child-molestation/story?id=10610046

 

[barbee0715]

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It sounds like his mom's boyfriend was trying to get his goat. People will bring up Michael to me only if they're trying to get a rise out of me. I know no one who really wants to discuss it or know what really occurred.
They claim to be "teasing" me but that's not funny.
I just don't put up with it anymore.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Hmmm..well he has done things in his past but nothing involving children or anyting, that i am pretty sure of. It's just incredibly hateful that he talks about this crap as if it's confirmed. And then to actually talk about Elvis....i was like...dude why are you bringing up Elvis now? I didn't even ask about him. And get this...at one point he said ''Jeez...even Hitler had good things about him. Next to the not so great things...'' and then i simply said...''please don't do this, are we actually going to mention Hitler now? You have no idea what you are talking about.'' when it was quite clear we were not going to agree with eachother...i simply said i was done with this nonsense and whatever the media says from now on....i don't care. Hopefully that keeps him quiet from now on..

Did you ask him why he thinks MJ molested anyone? Did you ask him why MJ wasn't even charged in 1993 if they had so much evidence against him as the media suggested?
Does he think he is smarter than Sneddon and the LAPD? Did he even explain why he thinks MJ was guilty?


No Hitler didn't have any good thing about him. He was an asshole with everyone. He didn't give a **** about people, that includes the German people.
MJ was the exact opposite, a loving caring sensitive person all his life starting when he was just a kid to the very end. So it's not that he had SOME good qualities like Saville or Sandusky it's that the very core of the man was profoundly good, someone who would never violate anyone, never force himself on anyone it was totally alien from his DNA.

 

[Ms. BlueGangsta]

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After a while my mom's boyfriend began to say...hey don't worry about it, i mean Elvis loved 14 year old girls as well. All these superstars have something of about them.

I can't stand when people bring other people up to justify their belief of MJ's guilt because Michael wasn't/isn't Elvis, OJ, or Cosby, and Michael was/is innocent.
Once again it seems that common sense has taken a vacation when it comes to MJ

 

[Ms. BlueGangsta]

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My guess is RTL Boulevard or Shownews or something similar. Boulevard is known to cover all kinds of trash with that idiot hypocrit called Albert Verlinde taking the cake. And it's exactly as you say, it's best to just ignore those people, i am more than done with them.



Hmmm..well he has done things in his past but nothing involving children or anyting, that i am pretty sure of. It's just incredibly hateful that he talks about this crap as if it's confirmed. And then to actually talk about Elvis....i was like...dude why are you bringing up Elvis now? I didn't even ask about him. And get this...at one point he said ''Jeez...even Hitler had good things about him. Next to the not so great things...'' and then i simply said...''please don't do this, are we actually going to mention Hitler now? You have no idea what you are talking about.'' when it was quite clear we were not going to agree with eachother...i simply said i was done with this nonsense and whatever the media says from now on....i don't care. Hopefully that keeps him quiet from now on.

He said i should not care so much about it and then i said i really do. I said i would feel pretty damn bad and weird if it turned out i have been supporting a person for all these years that turns out had been destroying the lives of children after all. That;s the thing right there, these people obviously don't realize that for the hardcore MJ fans it's FAR from only about the amazing music and videos. It's about the human being as well, the human being that cared more about other lives than his own, the human being that got taken advantage of by people i can only call poison and will eventually have karma catching up to them. I am sure of that. Evan Chandler was the first one.

Who in their right mind compares MJ to Hitler.
Your moms boyfriend ain't right in the head, and he obviously doesn't know much about MJ.

 

[KOPV]

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we always have to remember... the lies are obvious to us because we research it.. The general public that does not care enough to do research on the level we do have no choice but to hear ONLY the lies..

If all we heard were the stories of someone from media outlets, we'd believe it too... I'm sure there are plenty of public figures I have totally misconstrued because of what I've heard/read/saw on TV..


I'm just a fan of Mikes and care enough to find out the truth.

 

[#MJforever57]

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That why this world is so mix up today so quick to believe a lie and not the truth will we every get it right?

 

[ILoveHIStory]

WTF IS GOING ON HERE????

ARE THOSE MFs SERIOUS????

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Sun Kil Moon “Glad” That Michael Jackson Is Dead on New Song

Today, Jesu and Sun Kil Moon continued their collaborations together with a new song called “He’s Bad.” It’s a song where Mark Kozelek lists all the reasons why he doesn’t like Michael Jackson. It’s available to hear on his website.
Here’s the chorus: “He’s bad, and he’s dead and I’m glad. He’s dead, and to me it ain’t that ****in’ sad.”

The song references a Radar Online report from last month:

They said, ‘Did you hear the latest on him?
They found child porno at his place.
And animal torture videos.’

Is the latest on him true?
Well, I don’t ****ing know
But if I had a son, would I let him get into a car with Michael Jackson?
**** no.

Another excerpt:

I'm sorry for the bad things his father did to him
But it doesn't add up to building a Willy Wonka trap for kids
And changing the color of your god-given skin.

Kozelek repeatedly references Jackson’s plastic surgeries, said he “talked like a nine-year-old girl,” and says he doesn't “give a flying **** what he meant to the mainstream world.” Later he calls Jackson “one seriously ****ed up dude” and compares him to O.J. Simpson.

The song will reportedly appear on 30 Seconds to the Decline of Planet Earth, which is out June 1 via Caldo Verde, SPIN reports.

 

[barbee0715]

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^^Who in the world is that and does he matter to anybody?

 

[Bubs]

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2 nobodies are getting 1% more attention from media than they ever did before, only because Michael reference in their "song".
Case closed.

 

[HIStory]

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Sun Kil Moon - isn't that the guy who used to sell tabloid trash about him. Like Maureen Orth's infamous story about MJ having a blood sacrifice voodoo ritual at the Swiss border? Wasn't this guy Orth's source for that story?

But anyway, who cares? Moon is a nobody and I never even heard of the other guy. I think MJ fans should have some sort of filter and shouldn't give attention (and free promo) to every nobody who says some BS about MJ.

 

[terrell]

WTF IS GOING ON HERE????

ARE THOSE MFs SERIOUS????

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Sun Kil Moon “Glad” That Michael Jackson Is Dead on New Song

Today, Jesu and Sun Kil Moon continued their collaborations together with a new song called “He’s Bad.” It’s a song where Mark Kozelek lists all the reasons why he doesn’t like Michael Jackson. It’s available to hear on his website.
Here’s the chorus: “He’s bad, and he’s dead and I’m glad. He’s dead, and to me it ain’t that ****in’ sad.”

The song references a Radar Online report from last month:


Another excerpt:



Kozelek repeatedly references Jackson’s plastic surgeries, said he “talked like a nine-year-old girl,” and says he doesn't “give a flying **** what he meant to the mainstream world.” Later he calls Jackson “one seriously ****ed up dude” and compares him to O.J. Simpson.

The song will reportedly appear on 30 Seconds to the Decline of Planet Earth, which is out June 1 via Caldo Verde, SPIN reports.

WHO. sound like a bunch of no name who trying to use Michael to get fame. look t their song, all tabloids including the skin issue which was proven Michael had a skin disorder. Racist pigs. They will end up being like Gene Simmons who trash MJ and look, Gene Simmons was later accused of sexual assault and had his home searched for abuse claims. They are making themselves look like fools. No radio station bet not play it. It will be war.

 

[terrell]

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Sun Kil Moon - isn't that the guy who used to sell tabloid trash about him. Like Maureen Orth's infamous story about MJ having a blood sacrifice voodoo ritual at the Swiss border? Wasn't this guy Orth's source for that story?

But anyway, who cares? Moon is a nobody and I never even heard of the other guy. I think MJ fans should have some sort of filter and shouldn't give attention (and free promo) to every nobody who says some BS about MJ.

I agree. These guys sound like fools.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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It was moon the south korean guy. Defo not some no name rapper

 

[ILoveHIStory]

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2 nobodies are getting 1% more attention from media than they ever did before, only because Michael reference in their "song".
Case closed.

you are right, but... I think... they will be use... somehow in this tabloid media filthy game..., and will get the media attention...

 

[PoP]

WTF IS GOING ON HERE????

ARE THOSE MFs SERIOUS????

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Sun Kil Moon “Glad” That Michael Jackson Is Dead on New Song

Today, Jesu and Sun Kil Moon continued their collaborations together with a new song called “He’s Bad.” It’s a song where Mark Kozelek lists all the reasons why he doesn’t like Michael Jackson. It’s available to hear on his website.
Here’s the chorus: “He’s bad, and he’s dead and I’m glad. He’s dead, and to me it ain’t that ****in’ sad.”

The song references a Radar Online report from last month:


Another excerpt:



Kozelek repeatedly references Jackson’s plastic surgeries, said he “talked like a nine-year-old girl,” and says he doesn't “give a flying **** what he meant to the mainstream world.” Later he calls Jackson “one seriously ****ed up dude” and compares him to O.J. Simpson.

The song will reportedly appear on 30 Seconds to the Decline of Planet Earth, which is out June 1 via Caldo Verde, SPIN reports.

:rantingThose f#%>ing BASTARDS!!! Now they're going into my list.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

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Ooooops, my bad. I had not checked the last page.

Those idiots are from ICP, Insane Clown Posse and certainly not the brightest of human beings, lol. The fact that they base it on Radar Online's crap........pathetic really.

I just read the lyrics....i have no words for this kind of stupidity. So first they say they don't know if it's all true and then goes on about a Willy Wonka trap for kids and about his god given skin colour. Yeah ****ing idiot, he definitely chose to get Vitiligo. The stupidity of some people out there is downright hilarious but also frustrating and just......it's just sad. You'd think people would use some logic, maybe read up on things before looking like a complete idiot. But at the end of the day it's yet ANOTHER one shitting on Michael and.....jesus man....when is enough enough?

Oh hold on, i am wrong. This is not ICP.

 

[#MJforever57]

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I do not know of these two and i do not care.

 

[#MJforever57]

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we always have to remember... the lies are obvious to us because we research it.. The general public that does not care enough to do research on the level we do have no choice but to hear ONLY the lies..

If all we heard were the stories of someone from media outlets, we'd believe it too... I'm sure there are plenty of public figures I have totally misconstrued because of what I've heard/read/saw on TV..


I'm just a fan of Mikes and care enough to find out the truth.

The same here all lies you would think ppls would look it up like we do but they rather believe a lie first then the truth sad world we live in. We have the facts right here in this thread because the fans here took the time to research it.

And those who have kept us updated you have done a awesome job I am proud to be a MJ fan.