[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ I am not talking about their capability of understanding what they were doing. They did, of course. But legally they were kids. I don't know how it is in the US but in my country children are not punishable the same way as adults are. Of course, if they do very bad things, like killing, then they can be put in a juvenile prison or whatever, but I think legally probably it would be very problematic to send someone to jail as an adult for lying when he was a child and while he was under his parents' influence and care.

Jordan, Gavin and Jason all understood what they were doing, of course, but they were acting under their parents' and other adults' instructions. Jordan would not have done it without Evan. Jason would not have done it on his own without the prosecution's manipulation and his mother's greed. Even Gavin, no matter how rotten, would not have done it without Janet's and her lawyers' instructions. This is not to excuse them. I am the last person to do that. They are of course responsible for going along and especially for not setting the record straight at least now when they are adults. But here we are talking about possible legal action and punishability. I can't see any such bill having any chance. That situation is way too problematic to legally put the blame on the child in the hindsight while he is an adult.

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Anyone caught falsely accusing someone of rape or molestation should be serving time in prison. False accusations ruin people's lives, and it's wrong how the accusers can get away with making up false claims.

Many of these types of people know they can make a claim and not pay any price for their claims. Yes, we have the "slander" law but it is hard to prove and we know people will stick with their lie. I have seen it.

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ I am not talking about their capability of understanding what they were doing. They did, of course. But legally they were kids. I don't know how it is in the US but in my country children are not punishable the same way as adults are. Of course, if they do very bad things, like killing, then they can be put in a juvenile prison or whatever, but I think legally probably it would be very problematic to send someone to jail as an adult for lying when he was a child and while he was under his parents' influence and care.

Jordan, Gavin and Jason all understood what they were doing, of course, but they were acting under their parents' and other adults' instructions. Jordan would not have done it without Evan. Jason would not have done it on his own without the prosecution's manipulation and his mother's greed. Even Gavin, no matter how rotten, would not have done it without Janet's and her lawyers' instructions. This is not to excuse them. I am the last person to do that. They are of course responsible for going along and especially for not setting the record straight at least now when they are adults. But here we are talking about possible legal action and punishability. I can't see any such bill having any chance. That situation is way too problematic to legally put the blame on the child in the hindsight while he is an adult.

I agree. Even Garvin's daddy knew his family was lying. That is why I believe old Sneddon did not want Garvin's father to talk to him. Sneddon knew this family was liar by they way Sneddon react to these idoits when they hit the stand but he wanted to get MJ at any cost.

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's about people who are PROVEN liars like Chandler or Arvizo or Francia or that Molly Hagerty who falsely accused Al Gore
or David Copperfield's false accuser or Michael Egan.
In these cases the lies are so obvious they all should be rotting in prison.



Actually very very few people doubt that Cosby is guilty.
At least in Mj's case there are millions who don't buy that crap at all.
I remember a TMZ poll after Wade's U-turn that only 25% believed MJ was a pedo.

But yeah , you can here this nonsense that boys and men do not lie about this stuff because they are afraid of the homo label.
What a ridiculous argument!
There are plenty of people who wouldn't care a bit about any label if they had millions of dollars!

And let's not forget about the boys and men who accused MJ without even meeting him!
I wonder how Daniel Kapon, Joe Bartucci, Terry George and this Canadian boy fits the whole idea that males do not lie about molestation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnEh_JUoEDM


When it comes to MJ people of all ages and both gender will lie about ANYTHING!

by the way does anyone know the name of this Canadian prick?

And most of the time, that 25% already did NOT like MJ so they believe anything negative about him.

 

[PoP]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Anyone caught falsely accusing someone of rape or molestation should be serving time in prison. False accusations ruin people's lives, and it's wrong how the accusers can get away with making up false claims.

Damn right. There should be a law against false accusations, like in the bible falsely accusing anyone is a violation of the 10 Commandments.

I say this all the time. False accusers get away with their crime in America all the time. Remember Ruby Bates?

How could it prove Mj's guilt when Robson already told everyone in 2005 that they shared a bed AND he also said that sex had nothing to do with it.
Why would an actual molester want to sleep in a bed with kids? Sandusky never did that. He molested them then left.
And remember his mother was always around and testified that she stayed in that room as well and was never told not to come in
Chantal said the same.

If Robson tries to make the ludicrous bed sharing = molestation argument I hope the Cascios, Corey Feldman, Mac, Simone, Brandi, Elijah, Levon, Brett will all testify that MJ never did anything sexual to them even though they shared a bedroom with him many times.

One thing is sure, Robson did not specify the exact dates when he was with MJ, the period between 1992-1997 is a big mystery.
All we know is that they very rarely met during those years and MJ wasn't even living in Neverland between 1993-1997.

He was clearly lying about this:




Problem is there were no beds in the Westwood apartment at all, only standard sleeping bags for one person so how could Robson
sleep in MJ's bed there?
He is making stuff up, as usual.

I never heard of Rudy Bates, but seeing the pic with info, man her claims were similar to Chandler's. I'd wish for this liars to be punished, like I wanted Chandler to get what's coming to him and take it like a man. But he's no man as I've always say he's nothing but a spineless coward.

It's about people who are PROVEN liars like Chandler or Arvizo or Francia or that Molly Hagerty who falsely accused Al Gore
or David Copperfield's false accuser or Michael Egan.
In these cases the lies are so obvious they all should be rotting in prison.



Actually very very few people doubt that Cosby is guilty.
At least in Mj's case there are millions who don't buy that crap at all.
I remember a TMZ poll after Wade's U-turn that only 25% believed MJ was a pedo.

But yeah , you can here this nonsense that boys and men do not lie about this stuff because they are afraid of the homo label.
What a ridiculous argument!
There are plenty of people who wouldn't care a bit about any label if they had millions of dollars!

And let's not forget about the boys and men who accused MJ without even meeting him!
I wonder how Daniel Kapon, Joe Bartucci, Terry George and this Canadian boy fits the whole idea that males do not lie about molestation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnEh_JUoEDM


When it comes to MJ people of all ages and both gender will lie about ANYTHING!

by the way does anyone know the name of this Canadian prick?

When I heard the story about Daniel Kapon, man he's just as worst as those backstabbers and the coward. Kapon sounded more like big psycho which I dubbed him "Psycho Daniel".

That Canadian teen? His name was never revealed as quoted by Diane Demon. I even hoped Demon never sets foot in my country again.

It's about people who are PROVEN liars like Chandler or Arvizo or Francia
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Difficult when its the police and state facilitating false accusations

They are and those damned police are never trusted, like when they scared the kids by interrogating them without the parents permission statting they got pics of them and wanting to tell a lie so they can catch Michael forcing police brutality on him. That's the reason why I never trusted them because they threatened innocent people rather than threatening criminals and my brother once told me that the police are nothing but a black sheep of society.

 

[#MJforever57]

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Their are all cowards in my book and what really get me is ppls believe these lies their do not want to hear the truth and that is sad like Michael said if you tell a lie long enough you started to believe it and that is what Wade and James are doing their believe their lie is the truth.

 

[barbee0715]

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I think it is a slippery slope when you prosecute the accusers, although in Michael's case, I would have liked it to happen. I understand all the reasons why it's not a good idea.

They absolutely should have pursued the extortion claim that Michael tried to bring. No excuse to drop that.
And Sneddon should definitely been charged with malicious prosecution. He had a history of that with more people than just Michael.
If he was so obviously corrupt, I don't get why people kept voting him back in office either.

 

[Bad7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

One thing that puzzles me about the accusations are the fact the parents weren't investigated. They should of been. If they had been investigated I wonder how many would of maintained their stance that something untoward had happened. Take Blanca Francia. She said on the stand:

5 Q. Okay. How old was Jason?

6 A. Probably about seven or eight, probably.

7 Seven.

8 Q. Seven. And what did you see that concerned

9 you?

10 A. Well, I saw little things before that with

11 other kids

So, she saw 'little things' with other kids. She reported this to nobody and also decided to let her son be alone with MJ. So she facilitated Jason's supposed tickling incidents. How wasn't this investigated?:smilerolleyes: Also, once Jason had heard this on the stand, why the heck would he still be in contact with her?! I know I wouldn't be if she'd seen 'little things' happen before and then allowed 'little things' to happen to her own son.

Evan Chandler had 'suspicions' yet chose to try and negotiate a settlement from the get go. Even hugging MJ before sitting down to try to blackmail him. That sounds just like what a Father, who's child had been supposedly molested, would do. :smilerolleyes:

Also Wade is fine with his Mother. Joy Robson basically facilitated the whole 'abuse' Wade suffered. After all, she sought MJ for a meeting and that's how it supposedly all began. Yet he appears to have no issue with her whatsoever. Basically Wade's story ignores that his claims mean his Mother was basically a pimp. How convenient...

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I need a reminder. When is the next time we expect to hear something from court and the new judge?
After the holidays?

 

[SarahJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think it is a slippery slope when you prosecute the accusers, although in Michael's case, I would have liked it to happen. I understand all the reasons why it's not a good idea.

They absolutely should have pursued the extortion claim that Michael tried to bring. No excuse to drop that.
And Sneddon should definitely been charged with malicious prosecution. He had a history of that with more people than just Michael.
If he was so obviously corrupt, I don't get why people kept voting him back in office either.

I don't imagine he made it very easy for anyone running against him. I'm sure he had high profile friends who probably helped him with that and perhaps the voting public simply weren't aware of a lot of it or just found it easier to turn a blind eye.

 

[redfrog]

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Basically Wade's story ignores that his claims mean his Mother was basically a pimp. How convenient...

This is another thing that should make every sane person see how absurd the charges against MJ are.

A real predator preys. Meaning he actively looks for new victims like Sandusky did. He selected his victims from hundreds of kids
he met and he deliberately put himself in situations where he would be with many kids. He founded Second Mile specifically to have access
to vulnerable boys.

This would only be true to MJ if he had used Neverland to lure hundreds of kids and then he would have been among them and select the ones
he liked.
But that never happened! None of his accusers are from the busloads of kids who visited Neverland.

Instead 4 accusers just ran into MJ after THEY wanted to meet with him and one was just there because his mother was an employee.
He ran into these boys in situations that he did not control at all. He didn't pick Safechuck to be the kid in the Pepsi commercial and he didn't initiate contact with him
month later. Safechuck did.
he ran into Chandler by random chance. Robson wanted to locate him in 1990 and of course Arvizo wanted to meet with him.

So think about it.
What are the chances that someone would accidentally ran into not one not two not three not four but FIVE set of parents who are either totally blind to what is going on with their kid while he is being molested every time he is with MJ or, even more unlikely, would be happy to cover up this horrible crime and pimp out their sons?

June Chandler was a pimp. Joy Robson was a pimp. The Safechucks were pimps.

MJ was just damn lucky to run into such rare breed of parents one after another. Totally by chance.
Yes that's what you have to believe if you believe these pricks were indeed victims.

I need a reminder. When is the next time we expect to hear something from court and the new judge?
After the holidays?

Is it now a sure thing that Robson's case goes to a new judge?
What about Safechuck's?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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I don't imagine he made it very easy for anyone running against him. I'm sure he had high profile friends who probably helped him with that and perhaps the voting public simply weren't aware of a lot of it or just found it easier to turn a blind eye.

Ppl such as gary dunlap a local lawyer who stood against him in elections ended up being set up on charges. Back in the day mjjc was amazing at doing interviews with those who had been maliciously prosecuted by him. there was no where to turn as the state attorney general (think they are called that) was a big alley of sneddon. Sneddon had campaigned for him.and at the end of the day when you looked at the amount of ppl that voted in d.a elections the turn out was tiny.most ppl didnt care to even vote let alone look into what these ppl were doing.

 

[redfrog]

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the state attorney general (think they are called that) was a big alley of sneddon. Sneddon had campaigned for him

No kidding! Was that the same guy who made the report about MJ's post-arrest treatment concluding that everything was done just fine?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Think so yes

 

[#MJforever57]

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I need a reminder. When is the next time we expect to hear something from court and the new judge?
After the holidays?

I was going to ask that question too thank you. Does anybody know?

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I need a reminder. When is the next time we expect to hear something from court and the new judge?
After the holidays?

Case summary says this
Future Hearings

02/16/2016 at 08:30 am in department 51 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Status Conference(MATTER SET IN DEPARTMENT MSANTA MONICA COURT


I wouldn't mind is the good judge issues early ruling that the case is dismissed because of too much bs from Wade. That would be a christmas gift I would be happy about.

 

[#MJforever57]

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Case summary says this
Future Hearings

02/16/2016 at 08:30 am in department 51 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Status Conference(MATTER SET IN DEPARTMENT MSANTA MONICA COURT


I wouldn't mind is the good judge issues early ruling that the case is dismissed because of too much bs from Wade. That would be a christmas gift I would be happy about.

Thank you.

What a nice Christmas gift that would be.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Case summary says this
Future Hearings

02/16/2016 at 08:30 am in department 51 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Status Conference(MATTER SET IN DEPARTMENT MSANTA MONICA COURT

But is it fact now that Beckloff is out? This new judge will know the whole history of the case?
He was not the one who held the previous hearings how could he know everything he has to?
Does he know about Robson's proven lies during the probate case?


I wish the judge was as sane as the ones who dismissed the Kevin Clash lawsuits.

The men, then took their cases to the United States Court of Appeal, saying they were not initially aware of the 'adverse psychological and emotional effects' of the encounters.

They have reported that court documents state the court found the alleged victims 'failed to provide any reason why [they] were unable to discover their injuries prior to 2012' and that their arguments were 'without merit'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Street-voice-actor-Kevin-Clash-dismissed.html

Yeah really, why were Safechuck and Robson unable to realize, say, 10 years ago, that rape was child abuse?
Totally irrational question I supposed when it comes to the courts in California, even know the courts in New York think it's an obvious question.

 

[christy]

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What a waste of tax payers money
all this back & forth, changing of judges and what nought....
Pfft!
Anybody with an ounce of intelligence can conclude this is nothing but a money grab, being fired
or asked to resign from the Cirque project. (of course he wouldn't admit it)
This is a personal vendetta!
Getting back at John Branca who respresents the Estate and its holding companies

 

[#MJforever57]

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What a waste of tax payers money
all this back & forth, changing of judges and what nought....
Pfft!
Anybody with an ounce of intelligence can conclude this is nothing but a money grab, being fired
or asked to resign from the Cirque project. (of course he wouldn't admit it)
This is a personal vendetta!
Getting back at John Branca who respresents the Estate and its holding companies

You would think that their would dismiss the case there is no proof to backup Wade and James stories it all lies.

First stared out by suing a dead man that did not work so now their want to sue the companies who are not ppls go figure this really need to end it is a waste of time.



This whole case is build on lies on top of lies and it is sad that the laws say that this is true because their job is not to decide rather Wade is telling the true or not. Michael Jackson is not hear to defend himself against these lies so how long does this merry-go -round go on it plain and simple it all about money like it was mention. Statute of limantions has ran out on this claim and it never should have gotting this far.

 

[Kingofpop4ever3000]

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Statute of limantions has ran out on this claim and it never should have gotting this far.

I agree. These people should be well on their way to trial about this case for how long it's been in court since apparently by law, the judge has to think Wade and James are telling the truth. A snail could outrun this case in a marathon in no time, in my opinion. Almost three years since this trash started and we still have to hear about it. Just unbelievable.

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

But is it fact now that Beckloff is out? This new judge will know the whole history of the case?
He was not the one who held the previous hearings how could he know everything he has to?
Does he know about Robson's proven lies during the probate case?

Wasn't Beckloff supposed to come back to MJ cases at the end of the year (December), and I think he stayed on Wade's case anyways?

 

[#MJforever57]

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Wasn't Beckloff supposed to come back to MJ cases at the end of the year (December), and I think he stayed on Wade's case anyways?

Now i am confuse i though that Beckloff was replace with a new judge who is going to hear the case now.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^Ivy! Respect!! We need some help. . We are confused.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

My impression was that Beckloff left the case for good. I don't know about anything else. Ivy will have to help you out there.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^thanks! That's what I thought too.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Me too.

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

http://www.dailymichael.com/lawsuits/robson-v-estate/310-new-judge-for-robson-civil-case

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

My impression was that Beckloff left the case for good.

Shit, what does this mean then?
He won't have the full picture of what Robson has been doing so far.
That he lied to get around the SOL in the probate case.

And what about Safechuck? Is he still with Beckloff? If so how can he stay but Robson's case moved?

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Don't get upset a judge no matter who it is must follow the law. Not make there own based on how he or she feels about anyone involved. Living or dead