[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Very true. Vicious things are written about all artists on the internet. Really vicious.

It's different to me than other artists because they attack him for a truly heinous crime he did not commit or for his looks that he can not help because of autoimmune diseases.
But I really think it's a small handful of people doing it. I just hate new fans or people on the fence to read it
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That what bother me too in the bold. New fans will not know who the real Michael Jackson is because of all of these lies. Michael gave all he could give he never stop he love everybody it did not matter the color of your skin he love you anyway.
 
Just hit my news feed that Wade has "returned with 'Flight', an example of his choreographic genius." I haven't watched the video because my computer is running rather slow, but I'm going to try to copy the whole thing over here, so there won't be too many hits on this site. All I know is the "material is dark."

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Wade Robson Returns with “Flight”




YEP, you read that right—Wade Robson is BACK! It’s been faaaaar too long since we’ve witnessed his choreographic genius, but it’s fine because his latest video in collaboration with CLI Studios, “Flight,” is everything we could’ve hoped for and then some.
Dancers in “Flight” don’t hold back. (Screenshot via Vimeo)
I mean, Allison Holker + William Wingfield + Teddy Forance + Robson’s directorial eye? There’s literally no way you could go wrong with that equation. Naturally, the result is a stunning series of powerhouse performances. The choreo (to which all the dancers contributed) is raw, passionate and edgy, addressing some pretty heavy subject matter in a beautifully moving way.
Whip that hair. (Screenshot via Vimeo)
Robson’s directorial vision is crystal-clear, with everything from the costumes, to the casting, to the chilling lighting adding to the video’s power. I don’t want to give too much away, because “Flight” is well worth a watch (or two, or three). Check it out below—but keep in mind that some of the content may be a bit dark.
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http://www.dancespirit.com/news/wade-robson-returns-with-flight/
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Genius? LOL. He was a good choreographer, but he isn't a genius. And much less he is a genius as a director. Actually when he tries to be very artistic he always ends up pretentious IMO.

Clicking at the older articles it seems to me this website always kisses his ass. The articles about him always read like a love letter to him. So I guess he has great connections to this website.

One from 2008:

So many amazing teachers were out in full force during Nationals this year. One of them even made me weak at the knees: Wade (OMG he's so brilliant) Robson. Dancing to Justin Timberlake's "SexyBack" and dressed in jeans and a white button-down shirt, the totally down-to-earth dancer/choreographer/producer/teacher spoke to a room full of young hopefuls at Broadway Dance Center's The Pulse about musicality (getting inside the music instead of dancing on the surface of it) and dynamics (deciding which moves should be punched out and which should be more casual).

Emphasis in original.

And next: isn't this familiar? I wonder who did Robson learn this from? LOL:

During a class attended by 11- to 15-year-olds he stopped and asked, "How many of you are counting the music?" When hands shot up all over the room, he said, "Well, stop it!" He explained that counting the music helps you pick up the steps, but once you know them, you need to let go of the counts and concentrate on listening to the music. This enables you to go deeper into the dynamics of the actual dancing.

And this:

Robson taught and demonstrated everything himself-he didn't have any assistants onstage with him. Watching him move through his own choreography was an education in itself. And after teaching, instead of being ushered around by a bodyguard or a posse, he was just fine on his own. He peeked his head into other classes and sauntered through the lobby quietly, without fanfare. And guess what? No one bothered him. Incredible.

http://www.dancespirit.com/uncatego...atedposts_origin=5530&relatedposts_position=2

OMG, he didn't have bodyguards, what a down to earth guy! LOL. Why would he? He is just a choreographer.

There is another article about the Criss Angel Cirque du Soleil show that he did in 2009. That too is kissing his ass big time. That show ended up being the biggest flop of Cirque's history. I guess mankind was just not ready for Robson's artistic genius.

From that article:

Robson and wife Amanda Rodriguez have been known to invite the cast and crew to their home for BBQ and taco nights. The cast feels like a family.


http://www.dancespirit.com/uncategorized/The_New_Wade_Robson_Project_Cirque_du_Soleil_in_Vegas/

Michael too was invited to one of their BBQs at the time. Indeed what a nice, charming, kind family. Except when they turn around and stab you in the back once that is their interest.

What did he write in his lawsuit? That he isn't and will never be able to work again in dance, film and entertainment related business? Amazing how quickly he "healed". Not that I am surprised. Such a disgusting man.
 
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I had to laugh at this (from WR FB). Sometimes people don't READ what they write...LOL :) :rofl: (Maybe they don't want any guests over the age of about 30!).

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The next FEAST Hawaii, Dec 10th at Migrant Maui. Check out the menu. Gonna be sick.
 
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Well I would be "sick" if I had to be around him.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Guys, you don't have to keep promoting this dude's work especially on this forum.whether you like it or not you are helping him promote his work, and reach a much broader audience for his work. all he has to keep doing is post his stuff online for you to replicate here. in the end, he's laughing while you're here grieving.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Genius? LOL. He was a good choreographer, but he isn't a genius. And much less he is a genius as a director. Actually when he tries to be very artistic he always ends up pretentious IMO.

And depressing as hell. Didn't he do this darkness/"I don't know where I am, staring into the air, moving like a Sydenham's chorea sufferer" shit in the video he shot in Neverland?

Michael too was invited to one of their BBQs at the time.

Wow I thought they went to MJ's house.
I wonder what made Robson invite him. In any case, he called it "the most normal thing in the world".
Imagine Aaron Fisher inviting Sandusky to his BBQ and calling it the most normal thing in the world.

MJ's kids were there. But Robson wants us to believe that his son was the first kid he ever saw in his life and therefore he and only he made him think
how innocent kids are and that rape was wrong after all.
 
redfrog;4118379 said:
Wow I thought they went to MJ's house.

Well, I don't remember now if Robson said they went to MJ's house or MJ went to theirs. From this Cirque review that I read on this dance website I learnt now that the Robsons lived in Vegas too at the time.

Denoncourt ignored Robson&#8217;s initial claims that he was too busy to do the show. &#8220;I had to meet that guy,&#8221; Denoncourt says. &#8220;Sometimes you have to follow your instincts.&#8221;

He wanted Robson so badly that he stopped in NYC on his way from Las Vegas to Montreal for a half-hour meeting with the choreographer. All it took was one drink at a Grand Central Station bar, and Robson was ready to temporarily move with his wife and cats to Las Vegas.

This was in 2008 when MJ lived there too. And then further down in the article there is that part about the Robsons regularly having BBQs where they invited the cast etc. So it seems to me they were the ones big on BBQ.


MJ's kids were there. But Robson wants us to believe that his son was the first kid he ever saw in his life and therefore he and only he made him think how innocent kids are and that rape was wrong after all.

Good point. As an alleged "victim" of an alleged "molester" wouldn't you be worried for kids in this person's care?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Guess Robson & Safechuck were just deaf, dumb and blind then for all those years or else they lived the most restrictive life possible. In spite of media hype, trials etc...nothing ever seems to sink through to them that maybe, just maybe something wasn't right somewhere. But no...
Asinine.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

By the way, who pays for such short films? How does Robson make money with this?

Also, found this on twitter. Sums it up pretty well.

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Maybe Wade is getting his money from these so call supports who believe his lies.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Maybe Wade is getting his money from these so call supports who believe his lies.

I was getting similar thoughts. Maybe I'm thinking too deep into this but this sudden resurgence in his career feels like some kind of publicity stunt to get people on his side... Not fooling me, though.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I was getting similar thoughts. Maybe I'm thinking too deep into this but this sudden resurgence in his career feels like some kind of publicity stunt to get people on his side... Not fooling me, though.

I wouldn't call it a resurgence. I fail to see how this Flight thing is in any way relevant. Noone cares about it.

Anyway, does anyone know the exact dates when MJ was with Wade? His lawsuit doesn't say anything beyond Feb 1990.
Based on Joy's testimony they were together after 1991 only four times in Neverland but there were other locations too.
The whole thing looks like he was rarely with MJ and not at all in 1995-1996
 
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Didnt Wade say in his testimony that he slept in bed with MJ numerous times? I think this is why people believe his story. They feel that something must have happened all those nighs they were alone together.
 
dannyboy72;4118611 said:
Didnt Wade say in his testimony that he slept in bed with MJ numerous times? I think this is why people believe his story. They feel that something must have happened all those nighs they were alone together.

Except


1. the things Robson claims have nothing to do with sleeping!

2. Bunch of other girls and boys slept in the same room with MJ and they were not molested. Why should anyone believe it was different for Robson or anyone else?
The Cascio kids spent many many more nights with MJ and none of them were harmed in any way.


" The bottom line: Michael&#8217;s interest in young boys had absolutely nothing to do with sex. I say this with the unassailable confidence of firsthand experience, the confidence of a young boy who slept in the same room as Michael hundreds of times, and with the absolute conviction of a man who saw Michael interact with thousands of kids. In all the years that I was close to him, I saw nothing that raised any red flags, not as a child and not as an adult. Michael may have been eccentric, but that didn&#8217;t make him criminal. "

Frank Cascio My Friend Michael
http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books-jetzi-02/11mfm/11mfm20.html


3. Robson very rarely was alone with MJ during those 7 years. Random sleepovers while the parents are around and can walk in any time are NOT pedophile modus operandi.

4. His sister slept in MJ's bed too and Robson claims that molestation occurred when she was there right in the same bed. How does that make sense especially when he also argues that MJ wanted to keep everyone out with locks and alarm and even Do not disturb sign -- which noone ever mentioned before, by the way.

5. Robson not only contradicts what he said in 2005 but also what his sister and mother said under oath. Since he does not say that they lied if they told the truth then Robson is lying now.
For example, Chantal testified that she slept upstairs the first night an in Mj's bed the second night.
But Robson now says that Chantal slept in the bed the first night and she slept upstairs the second night and that's when the first molestation happened and that's when MJ told him that he should not talk about it to anyone.
Chantal explained that the first night she slept upstairs because she didn't want to invade Mj's private place. She also told his brother to go up but he refused.
And the second night she slept in Mj's bed because she said she felt more comfortable with Mj's friendship.
But now Robson says that Chantal left the second night because she felt uncomfortable sleeping in Mj's bed with him -- which is a bunch of bull.
To make it even more ridiculous, Robson wants us to believe that now he remembers every details of what happened when he was 7 years old but in 2005
he didn't even get the year right when they first visited the ranch. He said it was 1989 in reality it was 1990.

6. Robson was asked about the whole sleeping in bed thing in details. Whether they slept next to each other (no), whether they cuddled (no).
The whole thing was the same thing Brett Barnes described on TV: he slept on one side I slept on the other and that was it. And Robson slept there because he wanted to not because MJ invited him in his bed.
It was always the kids who asked him and his parents first. Both Joy robson, Wade Robson and Chantal Robson testified about that.
That fact doesn't compute with the whole narrative that MJ lured him in his bed to molest him.

7. Why in the world would MJ be interested in SLEEPING if he wanted to rape Robson?
Wouldn't it make more sense for an actual predator to let the kid go after the molestation? Why would he make himself look more suspicious by sleeping through the night with a kid?
I bet that most actual molesters do not do that at all.
Reading the Sandusky testimonies it was clear that he was not interested in sleepovers. He just sent the kid to the basement room and molested him and then left.
And he most certainly didn't have their parents around.
 
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Except


1. the things Robson claims have nothing to do with sleeping!

2. Bunch of other girls and boys slept in the same room with MJ and they were not molested. Why should anyone believe it was different for Robson or anyone else?
The Cascio kids spent many many more nights with MJ and none of them were harmed in any way.





3. Robson very rarely was alone with MJ during those 7 years. Random sleepovers while the parents are around and can walk in any time are NOT pedophile modus operandi.

4. His sister slept in MJ's bed too and Robson claims that molestation occurred when she was there right in the same bed. How does that make sense especially when he also argues that MJ wanted to keep everyone out with locks and alarm and even Do not disturb sign -- which noone ever mentioned before, by the way.

5. Robson not only contradicts what he said in 2005 but also what his sister and mother said under oath. Since he does not say that they lied if they told the truth then Robson is lying now.
For example, Chantal testified that she slept upstairs the first night an in Mj's bed the second night.
But Robson now says that Chantal slept in the bed the first night and she slept upstairs the second night and that's when the first molestation happened and that's when MJ told him that he should not talk about it to anyone.
Chantal explained that the first night she slept upstairs because she didn't want to invade Mj's private place. She also told his brother to go up but he refused.
And the second night she slept in Mj's bed because she said she felt more comfortable with Mj's friendship.
But now Robson says that Chantal left the second night because she felt uncomfortable sleeping in Mj's bed with him -- which is a bunch of bull.
To make it even more ridiculous, Robson wants us to believe that now he remembers every details of what happened when he was 7 years old but in 2005
he didn't even get the year right when they first visited the ranch. He said it was 1989 in reality it was 1990.

6. Robson was asked about the whole sleeping in bed thing in details. Whether they slept next to each other (no), whether they cuddled (no).
The whole thing was the same thing Brett Barnes described on TV: he slept on one side I slept on the other and that was it. And Robson slept there because he wanted to not because MJ invited him in his bed.
It was always the kids who asked him and his parents first. Both Joy robson, Wade Robson and Chantal Robson testified about that.
That fact doesn't compute with the whole narrative that MJ lured him in his bed to molest him.

7. Why in the world would MJ be interested in SLEEPING if he wanted to rape Robson?
Wouldn't it make more sense for an actual predator to let the kid go after the molestation? Why would he make himself look more suspicious by sleeping through the night with a kid?
I bet that most actual molesters do not do that at all.
Reading the Sandusky testimonies it was clear that he was not interested in sleepovers. He just sent the kid to the basement room and molested him and then left.
And he most certainly didn't have their parents around.

What I was wondering is how many times does Robson claim that he slept in bed alone with MJ? I'm curious because this will certainly be used by his desperate lawyers to prove MJ's guilt. I tried to look through his testimony to find out but my wife accidentally deleted the trial transcripts i had saved on my laptop..
 
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We live n a sick world. I think every fan should read the story about a teacher name TONYA CRAFT from Georgia. She wrote a book called "Accused". Her story is so much like MJ. It was finally featured on the show "Criminal Watch". What people wont do to destroy and lie on people.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Anyone caught falsely accusing someone of rape or molestation should be serving time in prison. False accusations ruin people's lives, and it's wrong how the accusers can get away with making up false claims.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Can't believe this Wade is still on with this particular madness
Lol haha boohoo hurts to be you Wade.
 
analogue;4118680 said:
Anyone caught falsely accusing someone of rape or molestation should be serving time in prison. False accusations ruin people's lives, and it's wrong how the accusers can get away with making up false claims.

I say this all the time. False accusers get away with their crime in America all the time. Remember Ruby Bates?

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dannyboy72;4118640 said:
What I was wondering is how many times does Robson claim that he slept in bed alone with MJ? I'm curious because this will certainly be used by his desperate lawyers to prove MJ's guilt. I tried to look through his testimony to find out but my wife accidentally deleted the trial transcripts i had saved on my laptop..


How could it prove Mj's guilt when Robson already told everyone in 2005 that they shared a bed AND he also said that sex had nothing to do with it.
Why would an actual molester want to sleep in a bed with kids? Sandusky never did that. He molested them then left.
And remember his mother was always around and testified that she stayed in that room as well and was never told not to come in
Chantal said the same.

If Robson tries to make the ludicrous bed sharing = molestation argument I hope the Cascios, Corey Feldman, Mac, Simone, Brandi, Elijah, Levon, Brett will all testify that MJ never did anything sexual to them even though they shared a bedroom with him many times.

One thing is sure, Robson did not specify the exact dates when he was with MJ, the period between 1992-1997 is a big mystery.
All we know is that they very rarely met during those years and MJ wasn't even living in Neverland between 1993-1997.

He was clearly lying about this:

&#8220;The following Monday, Plaintiff, his mother and sister went to stay with Decedent at his apartment in the Westwood section of Los Angeles in Wilshire Blvd, across the street from a Holiday Inn, while Plaintiff&#8217;s father and grandparents continued on their road trip for a few more days. Plaintiff slept with Decedent in his bed at the Westwood apartment; Plaintiff&#8217;s mother and sister stayed across the street at the Holiday Inn hotel. The sexual abuse occurred on each of those nights as well. Later that week, the entire family returned to Australia.&#8221;


Problem is there were no beds in the Westwood apartment at all, only standard sleeping bags for one person so how could Robson
sleep in MJ's bed there?
He is making stuff up, as usual.
 
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Anyone caught falsely accusing someone of rape or molestation should be serving time in prison. False accusations ruin people's lives, and it's wrong how the accusers can get away with making up false claims.

I'm not in favour of this because rape and molestation are hard to prove. Think about what this means for genuine victims. They can be intimidated into not filing charges, especially when the person they're accusing is rich and powerful. Just because there is not sufficient evidence to find someone guilty in a court of law - other than the accuser's testimony - does not always mean that the accused is innocent. Besides, according to studies from the FBI only 8% of rape accusations in the US were regarded as unfounded or false. I don't think that's worth the risk of bullying actual rape victims into silence or even sending them to prison while their rapist walks free. You can say that they would only be sentenced to prison if their accusations were proven to be false (which is equally hard to do) but for that you would need a trial, and the prospect of a public trial where they are made out to be a liar can be traumatizing enough for victims not to speak out. Yes, it is extremely frustrating in those rare cases where it's obvious that the accuser is lying (like in Michael's case) but that doesn't mean we should generalize this to all accusations of rape or molestation.

Also, there is this:

A report by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) examined rape allegations in England and Wales over a 17-month period between January 2011 and May 2012. It showed that in 35 cases authorities prosecuted a person for making a false allegation, while they brought 5,651 prosecutions for rape. Keir Starmer, the head of the CPS, said that the "mere fact that someone did not pursue a complaint or retracted it, is not of itself evidence that it was false" and that it is a "misplaced belief" that false accusations of rape are commonplace.[SUP][8][/SUP] He added that the report also showed that a significant number of false allegations of rape (and domestic violence) "involved young, often vulnerable people. About half of the cases involved people aged 21 years old and under, and some involved people with mental health difficulties. In some cases, the person alleged to have made the false report had undoubtedly been the victim of some kind of offence, even if not the one that he or she had reported."[SUP][9][/SUP][SUP][10][/SUP][SUP][11][/SUP]

I find it interesting that so many people are in favour of prosecuting people (in the vast majority of cases women) for unfounded accusations of rape or domestic violence but hardly anyone suggests the same for false accusations of any other nature (even something as serious as murder). The implication is that women are likely to lie about this so we should address this legally, even though the statistics show otherwise. Any time there is a story in the media about a woman who is speaking out about physical or sexual violence that was done to her, about half the comments are either flat out calling her a liar/attention seeker or dismiss it as "who knows if it's true, let's not rush to judgment". There are also some who wonder what her "responsibility" in all this was. But if it's a man speaking out, everyone sympathizes because "a man wouldn't lie about something like this as it's too shameful". That's also one reason Chandler & co are believed much easier. You see the contrast with Cosby, who admitted under oath to drugging women for sex (which is shady no matter the excuses he comes up with) and has dozens of accusers but he gets nowhere near the same condemnation as Michael did.
 
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I'm not in favour of this because rape and molestation are hard to prove. Think about what this means for genuine victims


It's about people who are PROVEN liars like Chandler or Arvizo or Francia or that Molly Hagerty who falsely accused Al Gore
or David Copperfield's false accuser or Michael Egan.
In these cases the lies are so obvious they all should be rotting in prison.

You see the contrast with Cosby, who admitted under oath to drugging women for sex (which is shady no matter the excuses he comes up with) and has dozens of accusers but he gets nowhere near the same condemnation as Michael did.

Actually very very few people doubt that Cosby is guilty.
At least in Mj's case there are millions who don't buy that crap at all.
I remember a TMZ poll after Wade's U-turn that only 25% believed MJ was a pedo.

But yeah , you can here this nonsense that boys and men do not lie about this stuff because they are afraid of the homo label.
What a ridiculous argument!
There are plenty of people who wouldn't care a bit about any label if they had millions of dollars!

And let's not forget about the boys and men who accused MJ without even meeting him!
I wonder how Daniel Kapon, Joe Bartucci, Terry George and this Canadian boy fits the whole idea that males do not lie about molestation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnEh_JUoEDM


When it comes to MJ people of all ages and both gender will lie about ANYTHING!

by the way does anyone know the name of this Canadian prick?
 
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I find it interesting that so many people are in favour of prosecuting people (in the vast majority of cases women) for unfounded accusations of rape or domestic violence but hardly anyone suggests the same for false accusations of any other nature (even something as serious as murder). The implication is that women are likely to lie about this so we should address this legally, even though the statistics show otherwise. Any time there is a story in the media about a woman.
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To be fair you cant compair rape to murder in that sense. individuals accuse each other of rape where in cases such as murder its the state that accuses after investigating etc. Its not a he said she said type case. And taking the cosby case as example whether we like it or not its a sex thing. Ie being accused of abusing the same sex and kids ontop is viewed far worse than what cosby supposedly did
 
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It's about people who are PROVEN liars like Chandler or Arvizo or Francia
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Difficult when its the police and state facilitating false accusations
 
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I understand why the subject of the punishability of false sexual allegations is a sensitive issue, but the fact is just like rape or molestation ruins lives, so do false sexual allegations. They can make people lose their exsistence and even commit suicide or just waste away like MJ. Some people spend their lives in jail for false allegations. So it is not alright either that people can just do that with no one ever holding them responsible for their lies which do ruin lives just as much as rape/molestation does.
 
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It's about people who are PROVEN liars like Chandler or Arvizo or Francia
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Difficult when its the police and state facilitating false accusations


While Sneddon clearly supported Chandler, Francia and Arvizo the allegations were still made by them.
And if they had not accused MJ Sneddon couldn't have done a damn thing.

Once the photos established that chandler lied he should have be prosecuted.
Once MJ's skin condition, Arvizo's lies about never drinking when MJ was not there, never being in the wine cellar, never going into his room
when MJ was not there, never talking to Jay Leno, his grandmother and MJ supposedly saying the same thing about rape and mastrubation etc.
were established he should have been prosecuted, convicted and thrown in to prison.

America impeached Clinton for one perjury about consensual sex.
But they let the Chandlers, Francias, Arvizos off the hook after countless perjuries.

They were proven false accusers, proven liars and never paid a price. It should be unacceptable in a civilized country.
But then again a racist bigot like Sneddon wouldn't be anywhere near the justice system in a civilized country.
 
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I understand why the subject of the punishability of false sexual allegations is a sensitive issue, but the fact is just like rape or molestation ruins lives, so do false sexual allegations. They can make people lose their exsistence and even commit suicide or just waste away like MJ. Some people spend their lives in jail for false allegations. So it is not alright either that people can just do that with no one ever holding them responsible for their lies which do ruin lives just as much as rape/molestation does.


Totally agree but unless someone actually admits they lied its a hard case to prove. Hard to prove either way with he said she said and little or no evidence.it all comes down to who sounds more credible when testifying
 
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While Sneddon clearly supported Chandler, Francia and Arvizo the allegations were still made by them.
And if they had not accused MJ Sneddon couldn't have done a damn thing.

Once the photos established that chandler lied he should have be prosecuted.
Once MJ's skin condition, Arvizo's lies about never drinking when MJ was not there, never being in the wine cellar, never going into his room
when MJ was not there, never talking to Jay Leno, his grandmother and MJ supposedly saying the same thing about rape and mastrubation etc.
were established he should have been prosecuted, convicted and thrown in to prison.

America impeached Clinton for one perjury about consensual sex.
But they let the Chandlers, Francias, Arvizos off the hook after countless perjuries.

They were proven false accusers, proven liars and never paid a price. It should be unacceptable in a civilized country.
But then again a racist bigot like Sneddon wouldn't be anywhere near the justice system in a civilized country.

Totally agree those intentionally lieing should be delt with but imo we can really use mj in that contect because his case was "special" interms of the police and state being involved in the lynching. We saw how they bullied francia into accusing.kept changing the timelines/accusations inorder to set mj up. Sneddon was the person who would charge the arvizos chandlers etc but that wasnt going to happen when he was working and in some casespaying them to make the accusations in the first place Sneddon was a rogue D.A with a history of malicious prosecutions against many.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Totally agree but unless someone actually admits they lied its a hard case to prove. Hard to prove either way with he said she said and little or no evidence.it all comes down to who sounds more credible when testifying

Yes, this is the other side of the coin. If it was punishable by jail or something probably it would mean even less false accusers would admit they lied in the hindsight. Like in that documentary Witch Hunt. The people who were jailed on false child abuse allegations spent years and decades in jail and were released from jail when the accusers grew up and admitted they lied. If it was punishable such hindsight confessions would be more difficult to get as well. Although they probably would not be punishable in this case either, since they were kids when they made the allegations. And that is the same for Jordan, Jason and Gavin. They were kids and no matter what you cannot put people in jail for being manipulated into lying by adults when they were kids. You could only prosecute their parents. And MJ did file charges against Evan Chandler for extortion. Only Sneddon & Co. did not do anything to prosecute those charges out of their personal bias.

Now Wade and James - that would be different, since they are making these claims as adults, on their own.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If it was punishable such hindsight confessions would be more difficult to get as well. Although they probably would not be punishable in this case either, since they were kids when they made the allegations.

Gavin Arvizo stopped being a kid when he falsely accused his mother of abuse.
That prick was an adult, just like Brett Ratner put it. He was corrupted and sleazy just like his mother, his brother his sister the whole bunch.
Do you really think that when Arvizo flat out lied about never talking to Leno or never being in Mj's room while Mj was away he didn't exactly know what he was doing?
this is the same bastard who was joking while talking about the case to the grand jury!

Same with Chandler. If you read his interview with Gardner you have to conclude that he fully understood what he was involved in and perfectly understood
that he won't have to work a single day in his pathetic life if he goes through with his father's plan.

Francia was a retard who just wanted to get rid of his interrogators but once his mother saw the opportunity to cash in Jason understood that too.
He after all signed a settlement and it's no that he refused to take the money or returned it when he got older.

13 year old humans are not innocent! They can be full of shit, they can be evil, they can cheat, lie, beat others up, bully, torture, kill, molest,
steal, rob and falsely accuse.
 
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