[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

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Yeah really. His story is all over the place. If this case goes before a jury, Jackson will without a doubt be acquitted once again.

I believe the Judge know Wade is lying but the Judge has to go let this go through the process.
 
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Terrell that is what is wrong with the world some ppls can 't except the not guilty thier want Michael Jackson to be guilty when every their take off the blind fold their will see the true. Michael was found not guilty in 2005 do you think the ppls let that rest NO i get what you are saying this is how the ppls feel.
 
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I believe the Judge know Wade is lying but the Judge has to go let this go through the process.


That is why it is not the judge job to decide rather Wade is telling the true or not.
 
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This thread is about the Robson and Safechuck cases as the title says. Keep it that way.
 
Did anyone compare Safechuck's lawsuit (the actual document) to the story found on the hater website which was available before he filed his civil suit?
I don't have the stomach to read his lawsuit I read the hater version and that was enough
I'd like to know whether they are identical or there are elements like the flashlight or the Sheryl Crow parts which are missing from his lawsuit.


Safechuck's story sounds exactly something Gutierrez and the haters or Dimond would come up with, it has the same old
elements: MJ disliking women, dumping boys, being jeolous of girls whom the boys like even the focus on his nose, the medallion (which Sneddon never asked Robson about so it's BS)
all of that shit is in Gutierrez's book and it's sure not a coincidence.

If this BS goes to trial Gutierrez MUST be an issue.

Remember this?

Dimond: “And, I have to tell you, if my source is correct, who has seen this tape, and again, he always has been. The acts that are being performed on that tape are exactly what the accuser a year ago said Michael Jackson did to him.”

So a completely fabricated molestation is "exactly what Chandler said MJ did to him"?
And we still should believe Gutierrez had no role in creating Chandler's story?

Where did Jordan Chandler get these ideas?

"According to his pattern, I believe he would have left me and, sort of dumped me, I guess
you could call it. And I would be, sort of, a vegetable."
"Why a vegetable?"
"Because he would continue to do those things and I would have no knowing of what else is
out there."
"Say that again. You wouldn't know what else is out there?"
"Right. Like, he didn't like it if I would want to call a girl or something. You know, I
wouldn't know, like, there were other options."
"Are you saying that he would pull you off the track of going out with girls."

Dumped me? Who was dumped? Who was left? The exact opposite was true!
Frank Eddie remained close to MJ for the rest of his life.
Safechuck went to Budapest with MJ and still went to Neverland at age 18 and still talked to MJ once a year.
Brett and Wade and Mac remained Mj's friend to the very end, visiting Neverland, talking on the phone, testifying for him
Mac becoming the kids's godfather.
Spence got married in Neverland.
He got this nonsense from Gutierrez no doubt. No way Jordan Chandler himself noticed this "pattern" which didn't even exist and concluded on his own especially since he was in Neverland with all those boys! Wade was there, Mac was there, the Cascios were there he could see that none of them was dumped.
But guess where I first heard this revolving door crap? From Diane Dimond, whom Gutierrez thanks in his book and who called Gutierrez his "best source". They were joined at the hip. And the Chandlers never denied that talked to Gutierrez.

Then there is this other lie that he "he didn't like it if I would want
to call a girl or something".
Wade never said this (and he sure was chasing girls often enough), the Cascios never said this, Mac, Brett never said such a thing. Where is this supposed pattern?
But you can read in Gutierrez book that when Prince Albert and Princess Elizabeth were on the ranch Jordan liked her and MJ then sent them home.
Which is BS we know what really happened because Princess Elizabeth wrote about her experiences in Neverland and no such thing as being jeolous or sending them home ever happened. She and her brother only said nice things


Michael had everything a child’s heart could possibly desire.We played for hours…He loved throwing water bombs and super soaking one another.He really turned into a kid.He didn’t mind his hair getting drenched and the make-up he was wearing washing off,he was enjoying himself and that was that.We were young enough to enjoy the children’s paradise but old enough to really remember and realize how special this actually was.

https://www.tumblr.com/search/Princess-Elizabeth-von-Thurn-und-Taxis

This is typical NAMBLA shit. He is in love with Jordan Chandler so he treats him like any lover would being jealous of girls he likes. What a load of crap!

Safechuck should be forced to answer while Gutierrez's obvious lies ended up in his story.
Same with Chandler.

Geez, I'd like to cross-examine these mofos.

And for this lie alone I would like to slap him:

But you voluntarily went back there. You could have said, I don't want to go up to
Neverland again, right?"
"Yeah."
"So why did you go back?"
"Because regardless of the fact that I went to Neverland, he would be with me. No matter
what, he was always with me. It was like, I couldn't just say I don't want to hang out with you
today."

He went back to Neverland because he wanted to not because MJ would have been with him no matter what.
He told his father that even if he told him not to go he would still go on the tour. Did he say that because
he didn't have a choice MJ would always be with him? What bullshit!

Ryan White's mother saw him on the ranch in July 1993 and said that Jordan behaved like a normal 13 year old, he was not afraid of MJ, not uncomfortable at all. Same if you watch the WMA 1993. He is smilling, singing sitting on MJ's chair and that was supposedly after he was molested and things got out of control in that Monaco hotel.
And remember what he told Evan and he asked him about sex between the two?
"That's disgusting I'm not into that"
And then to Garner he tells this:

"Most men, when they masturbate - whether they be masturbated by someone else or doing
it alone - most men have some thoughts in their mind. Sometimes they don't but most often
they do. When he was masturbating you, what thoughts were in your mind?"
"Um, I thought, it's weird. It's like it didn't feel right but yet it felt good,
and he was a friend so I didn't stop him.
"

So which one? Not into it or it felt good?
Remember how the Sandusky victims freaked out when he touched them how they tried to scream how they tried to run away from him.
But this prick wants us to believe that he didn't stop it because it felt good even though he was not into it and it was disgusting.


Of course he could have said I don't want to hang out with you today. MJ didn't force him and his mother to be with him.
Of course he would had stopped him and never go back to him if he had indeed molested him.

And he wouldn't have told Evan on July 1993 that he liked Michael if this had been true:

"But are you saying through all of this, although you enjoyed it, you felt a sense of
pressure?"
"Yeah."
"Was it a big heavy on you? Do you know what - -
"
"Yeah."

Big heavy? Does he look like he has some big heavy on him?

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And just which real abuse victim behaves like this right after telling his horrible story of molestation?

Evan was startled. He expected Jordie to come out heavy-hearted, but the boy seemed exuberated, almost whimsical. “Are you okay?” Evan asked, wrapping his arms around the boy.
“Yeah, Pops. Let’s go, I’m starved.”


Hm all right. So Gavin Arvizo tells jokes to the grand jury and Jordan Chandler seems exuberated almost whimsical.
Typical behavior which we could see during the Sandusky trial, right?

These bastards have no conscience. They are pure evil, no other explanation for how they could do this to MJ while smiling and joking and having fun.
 
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Did anyone compare Safechuck's lawsuit (the actual document) to the story found on the hater website which was available before he filed his civil suit?
I don't have the stomach to read his lawsuit I read the hater version and that was enough
I'd like to know whether they are identical or there are elements like the flashlight or the Sheryl Crow parts which are missing from his lawsuit.

Castor/Aldebaran/Redfrog

It is really odd to me that you have the stomach to read hater websites, VG's book etc, but you do not have the stomach to read actual court documents. I don't believe that for a moment. You already know the answers to the questions you asked, because given your big interest in the MJ allegations (which actually seems to be your ONLY interest in MJ) I don't believe you haven't read the Safechuck lawsuit. I think you just want to start a discussion about haters and their website in this way.

While sometimes a little attention on haters can be warranted in terms of what they might have inspired, but generally I do not see any use in talking about them a lot, or obsessing about their articles, online discussions and so on. I personally see no use in dragging their toxic material here all the time or in asking people to go to their website to "compare" their story and the lawsuit. Especially when you - I am sure - already know the answers.
 
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Castor/Aldebaran/Redfrog

It is really odd to me that you have the stomach to read hater websites, VG's book etc, but you do not have the stomach to read actual court documents. I don't believe that for a moment. You already know the answers to the questions you asked, because given your big interest in the MJ allegations (which actually seems to be your ONLY interest in MJ) I don't believe you haven't read the Safechuck lawsuit. I think you just want to start a discussion about haters and their website in this way.

I may read Safechuck's docs one day I just don't have the stomach for it now. It took me weeks to read the haters stuff and years to finally read VG's book. Most of the time I'm just not in the mood for that amount of crap. Considering the hater version as I remember it's even worse than Chandler's story so I don't want to go through it now. I just want to know about these particular details because they are the oddest parts, other than the marriage of course.

If the two version differs that is a strong indicator that the story was created by someone other than Safechuck and then just like Chandler
he cherrypicked the elements he liked for his lawsuit.
I have zero doubt that Dimond, Gutierrez and their allies, who may be pedos themselves collaborated with Safechuck, who informed Dimond that Safechuck would sue the Estate after all, and if there are multiple versions of the same story then what could explain it?

While sometimes a little attention on haters can be warranted in terms of what they might have inspired

What I'm talking about is that they may not be simply haters. They may have an active role in creating Safechuck's and Robson's stories and that's obviously relevant.
If Desiree bombarded Safechuck's wife with emails don't you think that would be evidence the Estate could use against him while explaining how Safechuck suddenly turned into a victim?
BTW I read the hater version on this site. I won't go to their website.
 
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I may read Safechuck's docs one day I just don't have the stomach for it now. It took me weeks to read the haters stuff and years to finally read VG's book. Most of the time I'm just not in the mood for that amount of crap.

I know fans who do not have the stomach for allegations discussions but they do not then spend all their fandom with allegations discussions. I am pretty sure that someone who is as familiar with filthy material like VG's book or hater websites and hater arguments - and in so much detail - as you are, can very well stomach a court document in which allegations of sexual acts are redacted. If you are really so interested in comparing hater articles and the actual lawsuit you would have done it by now. Actually I am pretty sure you did already. I don't see any reason for asking people to visit a hater website and read their articles. Since you have already done so you could easily do the comparation yourself based on the details that you are particularly interested in.

Most of the time I'm just not in the mood for that amount of crap.

Sorry, but you seem to be pretty much in the mood for "the crap" all the time. Ever since you are on this board, you hardly discussed anything else. Whether as Castor, as Aldebaran or Redfrog - or in whatever incarnation you have. So please forgive me for being sceptical about the act you put on about being so sensitive about material like this that you cannot read the lawsuit. You actually seem pretty well versed in the allegations, including the legal details of the court docs, so sorry, but I personally do not buy you do not read the court documents.

For the record: I do agree that Safechuck's and Robson's lawsuit are probably inspired by their reading of hater material. It is also inspired by the Chandler case and Arvizo case. I am sure it is put together from many elements they had found in past allegations. But the lawsuit summary on the hater website was not written before JS filed his lawsuit. Haters just got an advance copy of his filing so they made a summary earlier than we got the actual lawsuit.
 
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If you are really so interested in comparing hater articles and the actual lawsuit you would have done it by now. Actually I am pretty sure you did already.

No I didn't. And as I said I read the hater version on this site on this very this thread, someone posted it here.
I did not ask anyone to visit their website.
I remember these absurd details and they made me wonder that's it.

Sorry, but you seem to be pretty much in the mood for "the crap" all the time.

I'm not interested in reading their venom against MJ all the time at all, quite to the contrary.
If I don't have to I don't want to read that stuff. Most of the things I write about come from memory without re-reading anything.
Like I remembered Jordan's dumping boys story etc. but I didn't re-read his full interview with Garner and I don't want to.

So please forgive me for being sceptical about the act you put on about being so sensitive about material like this that you cannot read the lawsuit.

Why would I want to read the lawsuit when there are people here who already read both?
I didn't want to read Safechuck's hateful tirade again just to know about two details. It's was easier just to ask.
I just can't imagine Safechuck would want to make those arguments in court.

For the record: I do agree that Safechuck's and Robson's lawsuit are probably inspired by their reading of hater material. It is also inspired by the Chandler case and Arvizo case. I am sure it is put together from many elements they had found in past allegations. But the lawsuit summary on the hater website was not written before JS filed his lawsuit.

Wasn't it posted after he filed his probate claim but long before he filed his civil suit?

Anyway, just because it was posted after Safechuck filed does not mean that they didn't write the story in the first place.
No way I believe that Safechuck himself was this creative and just read every trash book and article ever written about MJ and put his story together alone.
He got help and he cooperated with Dimond too. How else would she know when he filed? Who informed her?


Haters just got an advance copy of his filing so they made a summary earlier than we got the actual lawsuit.

And how did they get an advance copy if they didn't collaborate with Safechuck? Who sent them an advanced copy and why?
 
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No I didn't. And as I said I read the hater version on this site on this very this thread, someone posted it here.

And a summary of his lawsuit was posted in this thread as well: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...tate/page834?p=4102485&viewfull=1#post4102485

Why would I want to read the lawsuit when there are people here who already read both?

You can also read the summary which was posted and then discussed in length in this thread.

Wasn't it posted after he filed his probate claim but long before he filed his civil suit?

No. Haters just had his lawsuit earlier than we did. They did not post that story before he filed his lawsuit.

Anyway, just because it was posted after Safechuck filed does not mean that they didn't write the story in the first place.
No way I believe that Safechuck himself was this creative and just read every trash book and article ever written about MJ and put his story together alone.
He got help and he cooperated with Dimond too. How else would she know when he filed? Who informed her?

I agree about a cooperation with Dimond and possibly haters. With the latter maybe not direct, but I am pretty sure he had read their stuff and used it to create his story. A better indication with a possible cooperation with Dimond is the fact that when JS first filed his lawsuit on a Friday, Dimond already published a detailed article about it the next Monday which she only could have done if she had some sort of contact from Safechuck or his legal team since the lawsuit itself had not even showed yet up in the court system. In fact, Dimond quotes "sources close to Safechuck" as her sources.


And how did they get an advance copy if they didn't collaborate with Safechuck? Who sent them an advanced copy and why?

I mean the advance copy just compared to when we got it. Not compared to when it was filed. As far as I know Ivy gets her docs from the online IT system of the court. Haters might have simply went to court in person for it and then you can get docs before they are posted online. Of course, it is also possible that they have a direct contact with Safechuck, but in itself this doesn't prove it.

This is different to how Dimond got hold of the doc initially. In that case there was not even a sign of it yet in the online court system and Dimond already posted an article about it the next work day compared to when it was filed. That is only possible if she got tipped off about it.
 
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No. Haters just had his lawsuit earlier than we did. They did not post that story before he filed his lawsuit.

I actually asked about the probate claim not his civil lawsuit.
The haters had that story after he filed his probate claim, right?
Did Safechuck already file his full detailed story with marriage and nosetapes and all together with the probate claim ?

I agree about a cooperation with Dimond and possibly haters.

Was "bright lights, brick city" and "selling me some" published in any book, article that was available to Safechuck?
I certainly don't remember seeing that anywhere else before.
The Chandler Garner interview only has "lights" but not that full phrase and Chandler didn't mention "selling me some" at all.
Which means Safechuck had to get these from either the inventor of those phrases
(which could be Evan Chandler, Rotham or Gutierrez)
or someone close to them like Dimond.

It's absolutely certain Safechuck didn't come up with that shit himself.

Also, if the Safechuck camp tipped off Dimond the question is why? What did they want to achieve with that?
 
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I actually asked about the probate claim not his civil lawsuit.
The haters had that story after he filed his probate claim, right?
Did Safechuck already file his full detailed story with marriage and nosetapes and all together with the probate claim ?

Yes, his probate claim included those claims and the media reported about details in early August 2014. What he filed in May 2014 wasn't his full complaint, just a notice that he would file at a later date - which he did in August and then the media reported about the details. TMZ, People and other tabloids did mention the marriage claim, "bright lights, big city" and everything back then so yes, his probate case included those things.

As for what haters wrote and when - you seem to be a lot more familiar with that than us, so why do you keep asking us about hater activities? I personally do not follow them, nor do I care to follow them.

Was "bright lights, brick city" and "selling me some" published in any book, article that was available to Safechuck?
I certainly don't remember seeing that anywhere else before.
The Chandler Garner interview only has "lights" but not that full phrase and Chandler didn't mention "selling me some" at all.
Which means Safechuck had to get these from either the inventor of those phrases
(which could be Evan Chandler, Rotham or Gutierrez)
or someone close to them like Dimond.

It's absolutely certain Safechuck didn't come up with that shit himself.

Why would Safechuck not be able to invent such things himself? Everyone has some fantasy. I think the "bright lights, brick city" comes from Jordan's "lights" claim, but Safechuck possibly did not want to sound all the same so he modified it a bit and attached to it a movie title. The claim is that the code word came from the title of this movie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_Lights,_Big_City_(film)

The movie does not have anything to do with sex or anything sexual, so it doesn't make much sense to me to attach it to sex but I guess Safechuck found it useful that it had "lights" in its title and maybe this was a movie him and MJ watched together, so he thought it would be somehow a good idea to make that connection. LOL.

While a lot of things he claims are adaptations from others' allegations and tabloid stuff, but I don't think he could not have added his own fabrications from time to time. I can't see why he should not be able to do that and why each and every element has to come from someone else.
 
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I personally do not follow them, nor do I care to follow them.

The only hater activity I talked about was them posting that report which then was posted here.
They activity is only relevant if there are signs that Safechuck and Robson are getting help from them.
Such collaboration would completely undermine their credibility in court, obviously.

The movie does not have anything to do with sex or anything sexual, so it doesn't make much sense to me to attach it to sex but I guess Safechuck found it useful that it had "lights" in its title and maybe this was a movie him and MJ watched together, so he thought it would be somehow a good idea to make that connection. LOL.

Yeah I also wondered about why anyone would pick that title and associate it with erection of all things, also
the fact that Chandler only mentioned "lights" begs the question why MJ would reduce the full phrase to one word moving from Safechuck to Chandler or if he mentioned the full phrase to Chandler why Chandler wouldn't remember the whole thing.
And on the timeline in between the two there was Robson who doesn't mention the use of any codeword at all.
It just doesn't make sense.


I can't see why he should not be able to do that and why each and every element has to come from someone else.

It's that the whole thing is consistent with Chandler's and Gutierrez's style and both of them were extremely imaginative.
Men in tights have some sexual innuendo too.
Bright light, big city is such an obscure movie, I don't see why MJ would discuss a movie like this with an 11 year old:

"The movie captures some of the glossy chaos and decadence of the New York nightlife during the 1980s and also its look at a man desperately trying to escape the pain in his life."
 
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Bright Lights, Big City was a BIG movie in 88-during the Bad Tour. Maybe they saw it then. I did.

Do we really have to endure all this Gutierrez stuff that castor and aldebran talked about already? It's really filthy and vulgar and I think it should not be on the thread, except in abstract terms. (especially the Nambla/Guiterrez detail stuff)


Edited to add: Just thought about this-Bright Lights, Big City was playing at the same time they were touring-quite possible there's a film or photo of them standing in front of the marquis of a theatre showing it-just like there's film of them in a jewelry store and that's where JS got the idea of the wedding complete with a ring.
 
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Bright Lights, Big City was a BIG movie in 88-during the Bad Tour. Maybe they saw it then. I did.

Do we really have to endure all this Gutierrez stuff that castor and aldebran talked about already? It's really filthy and vulgar and I think it should not be on the thread, except in abstract terms.

Yeah, we need a new thread for old stuff and if people have questions regarding past allegation stuff that is not related to current case.
 
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Yes some of us sat and watched him hang around Michael as he befriend Michael,went on holidays, on tours shared memorys and michael did all a friend will do for another. Michael wanted a simple friendship. True friendship.
Makes me sick too that years later Michael is dead through this kind of treatment and one of those kids who I soooooo wished to be is now all grown up now now a man who should know much better than this is acting unbelivable, ironicly,shamefully,walking around shouting those same lies that hurt Michael badly to begin with!!!
Wade Robson and friends don't you EVER ever come to England Because I for one, and I mean this , will seriously knock you the fuxk out.
Traitor.
 
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Yeah, we need a new thread for old stuff and if people have questions regarding past allegation stuff that is not related to current case.


I agree with you because it is getting mess here old allegation are being mix in with the current case and there should be a new thread with the old allegation,stuff only.
 
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Sigh:smilerolleyes:
 
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@Dannyboy

What is that link? Can you give a description? I don't want to click on hater websites.

And this is a general request anyway: when you put a link here, please give a description what it is.
 
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@Dannyboy

What is that link? Can you give a description? I don't want to click on hater websites.

And this is a general request anyway: when you put a link here, please give a description what it is.

Wade Robson support group is selling T-shirts.
 
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I clicked before I had time to think:D

Anyways, they are selling t shirt with text: Real Legacy of MJ and photos of Wade, James, Gavin Jason and Jordan.

Ps, I think they mean that this is bunch of crooks that tried to take Michael to the cleaners but were unsuccessful, or something like that.



I must say that I'm curious of mental state of this group Wade R supporters.
 
They sold 3 t-shirts so far (probably to themselves). It is clearly a great success. :p

And LOL @ their ridiculous messianic complex. If you want to be activists for alleged victims of child abuse why don't you rather pick ones who actually need your help? Oh, OK, Robson and Safechuck may need some useful idiots as long as their case is ongoing (although I am not even sure even they really give a damn about these people), but I am pretty sure Chandler, Francia and Arvizo couldn't care less if they are supported by someone or not. They have no stake in this current case, Chandler and Francia already have their money. If Jordan cared to get "justice" against MJ he would have gone through with the criminal proceedings against him in 1994 or at least had testified in 2005. Jason Francia too really seemed to be interested in the whole "getting justice" thing:

During the trial, when asked whether any criminal charges had ever been filed against Jackson based on his claims (there had never been), Jason answered: “I don’t know much. I don’t watch the news.” [1]

Mesereau asked Jason about another meeting which prosecutors held on November 19, 2004 when his mother was interviewed in the DA’s office. Again, Jason first claimed to not know anything about it: “I don’t know. Me and my mother don’t talk about that stuff much.” [1]

http://michaeljacksonallegations.com/jason-francia/

Yep. He is truly passionate about it. LOL.

And didn't Dimond say that when the DJ played The Way You Make Me Feel at Arvizo's wedding he just shrugged and smiled?

Jordan laughs all the way to the bank. He is living a luxury life while his relatives and friends have no problem with praising MJ on social media. So what the heck then are you fighting for these guys as some self-appointed activist for them? It's ridiculous. Why aren't you fighting for vulnerable children who are in danger as we speak of being molested by someone or for people who are fighting to bring their very much alive abusers to criminal justice?

But of course we know this is not about alleged victims of child abuse for these people. This is simply about their hatred against MJ.
 
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But of course we know this is not about alleged victims of child abuse for these people. This is simply about their hatred against MJ.

and it is personal. Who in the world hates MJ so much that spends x amount of time and money trying to get dead man. I would put my money on Stacy B or Demon.
 
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I clicked before I had time to think:D

Anyways, they are selling t shirt with text: Real Legacy of MJ and photos of Wade, James, Gavin Jason and Jordan.

Ps, I think they mean that this is bunch of crooks that tried to take Michael to the cleaners but were unsuccessful, or something like that.

I must say that I'm curious of mental state of this group Wade R supporters.

They say they are selling these tees to raise money for their FB page....like accusers, like supporters; all for money
 
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They say they are selling these tees to raise money for their FB page....like accusers, like supporters; all for money

Why their fb page needs money?

Does it cost much money to buy followers:scratch:
 
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and it is personal. Who in the world hates MJ so much that spends x amount of time and money trying to get dead man. I would put my money on Stacy B or Demon.
It does seem really personal. When I run into this or troll-y comments on newsfeeds or YouTube, I'm amazed that people have the time and intense hate to do that kind of trash talking.
Would be funny to be StaceyBrown or DD.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think their all looney tunes. T-shirts? :blink:
 
Do the Estate know Wade and his group of lost souls are using MJ name on these T-shirts?

Wade and James has gone to far.

Wade Robson support group is selling T-shirts.


He care nothing about that group just a cover to let the ppls know he care Wade is taking advantage of these ppls so sad to see if their only knew.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Robson is selling those T-shirts with those damned accusers faces on them? Now that really makes me wanna puke at those and burn them to hell! I'd rather sully those fricking shirts with red spray paint a No symbol on their faces and cross the slogan on the back and make it say "Do NOT support these lying bastards! All they want is $$$!"
 
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