[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I despise Americans for their rampant hypocrisy when it comes to high profile defendants.
They settle and they're guilty and if they win in court they are still guilty just got away with it because they are rich and famous.
So what can you do in America to clear your name if you are rich and famous?
You are doomed if you do doomed if you don't.

Before you trounce ALL AMERICANS as being one and the same, don't forget that pminton is also an American and so am I. And we are not like that, are we?
The people that are attacking her at work about it don't want to hear any real evidence-they just trying to get a rise out of her. Same thing with every single solitary person I know-including family and friends.

Back pre-93 I was arguing constantly at work about stupid stuff about skin changing, nose jobs, Bubbles fixations and sleeping in hyperbaric chambers. Stuff that doesn't matter, it didn't phase me, and I just laughed at them and went on. I laughed when they were talking about him wanting to look like Diana in 87 and at the same time killing themselves trying to snag a ticket to the Bad tour-as I said at the time, I'm laughing all the way to MICHAEL'S bank. It was just as bad (and still is) in the UK, not just here, when I read the comments on newspaper articles.

After 93 and especially after the settlement in 94-everything changed-back then we didn't have any evidence like you all have now-and when people attacked I had nothing-except for his statement from Neverland-and I would fantasize that I was stabbing my co-workers to death with the letter opener on my desk. I also was mature enough to realize that these people were riding me without any evidence at all-and they could really care less about any facts in the case-just as they made such a big deal about Bubbles. They don't want to know and they don't listen. At the end of the day, they really don't care.

After the settlement, I never mentioned Michael's name again to anyone until June 25, 2009. I still watched him, I still bought his records, I still read anything and everything I could about him, I watched him come and leave court every single day in 2005, I was amazed and cried when I happened to be home the day he made the 02 announcement. Every day I loved him more than the previous day.

If anybody I meet says something, and they seem receptive, I'll fill them in on facts I know. And sometimes I can't help myself when I'm reading a News Feed or a nasty comment on YouTube -and jump at someone-and it usually turns out to be a troll. You just have to pick your fights.

But don't blame all Americans-we are not all like that. And don't get upset that she didn't slam him with evidence-99% of people really don't care about it.

(That being said, I also believe that most people didn't ever believe it in the first place. You wouldn't see mourning of that magnitude over someone who was really thought guilty of the most heinous crime ever).

 

[SheilaMJFan4Ever]

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Before you trounce ALL AMERICANS as being one and the same, don't forget that pminton is also an American and so am I. And we are not like that, are we?
The people that are attacking her at work about it don't want to hear any real evidence-they just trying to get a rise out of her. Same thing with every single solitary person I know-including family and friends.

Back pre-93 I was arguing constantly at work about stupid stuff about skin changing, nose jobs, Bubbles fixations and sleeping in hyperbaric chambers. Stuff that doesn't matter, it didn't phase me, and I just laughed at them and went on. I laughed when they were talking about him wanting to look like Diana in 87 and at the same time killing themselves trying to snag a ticket to the Bad tour-as I said at the time, I'm laughing all the way to MICHAEL'S bank. It was just as bad (and still is) in the UK, not just here, when I read the comments on newspaper articles.

After 93 and especially after the settlement in 94-everything changed-back then we didn't have any evidence like you all have now-and when people attacked I had nothing-except for his statement from Neverland-and I would fantasize that I was stabbing my co-workers to death with the letter opener on my desk. I also was mature enough to realize that these people were riding me without any evidence at all-and they could really care less about any facts in the case-just as they made such a big deal about Bubbles. They don't want to know and they don't listen. At the end of the day, they really don't care.

After the settlement, I never mentioned Michael's name again to anyone until June 25, 2009. I still watched him, I still bought his records, I still read anything and everything I could about him, I watched him come and leave court every single day in 2005, I was amazed and cried when I happened to be home the day he made the 02 announcement. Every day I loved him more than the previous day.

If anybody I meet says something, and they seem receptive, I'll fill them in on facts I know. And sometimes I can't help myself when I'm reading a News Feed or a nasty comment on YouTube -and jump at someone-and it usually turns out to be a troll. You just have to pick your fights.

But don't blame all Americans-we are not all like that. And don't get upset that she didn't slam him with evidence-99% of people really don't care about it.

(That being said, I also believe that most people didn't ever believe it in the first place. You wouldn't see mourning of that magnitude over someone who was really thought guilty of the most heinous crime ever).

Right ON, Barbee! There isn't a nation on this planet that doesn't have Mike haters in it and I don't get the self righteous attitude of some non-US citizens on the subject. Mike is an American too and he didn't hate his homeland. He hated the witch hunt by Sneddon & Company (and we despised it, too). He had the financial means and opportunity to renounce his American citizenship and live overseas permanently, but he DIDN'T. And, if someone had reported/filed abuse charges against him overseas, the local law enforcement agencies would have investigated it and it possibly could have gone to trial. Why wouldn't they? Americans have been tried overseas before (and still are).

Making generalized statements disguised as facts about an entire group of people is ignorant and bigoted at best. Your post was on point and I applaud you, Barbee.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You cant reason with stupidity. I wouldnt even waste my time discussing such ppl. Folks you will only drive yourself mad

re the above comments I guess the poster should have said the American justice system rather than ppl.

 

[#MJforever57]

I despise Americans for their rampant hypocrisy when it comes to high profile defendants.
They settle and they're guilty and if they win in court they are still guilty just got away with it because they are rich and famous.
So what can you do in America to clear your name if you are rich and famous?
You are doomed if you do doomed if you don't.

Did you tell her that Chandler didn't even know Michael was uncircumcised despite saying that he saw his penis from every possible angle and had a clear memory of it?That this falsehood that Michael was circumcised is in Gutierez's book too, and appears on a document where some adult theorized how his body might look like? Why did some adult theorize about Michael's body if he didn't want to frame him?
Did you ask her if Chandler's drawing matched the photos why Sneddon didn't arrest Michael in Dec 1993?
Why Sneddon didn't want to introduce the photos as 1108 evidence instead of 1101 evidence at the end of the trial when he could be sure the defense would not have access to Chandler's drawing?

Are you saying you despise all Americans? if so that would be unfair because i am a Americans and i would not do that just like barbee0715 said that is not me. If you are guilty and the proof is there i have no problem with that but if their say you are guilty and there is no proof then i have a problem with that we should not be so quick to judge a person it is so unfair their have a right to clear their names. Even if i tell them the facts that i know their still would not believe their minds are already made up.

Let me clear this up alittle he did not say he had proof but that the proof was out there and Michael would not win if it went to trial.

Office is a man.


I got a postive answer and a negtive answer on that day so you still have ppls who said he not guilty and some who say he is guilty.

You cant reason with stupidity. I wouldnt even waste my time discussing such ppl. Folks you will only drive yourself mad

re the above comments I guess the poster should have said the American justice system rather than ppl.

You are right so true it is a waste of time.

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The office who work at my job. That is what he claim he say that is the reason that Michael paid them off. I disagree with him i told him it was all lies just to get money from Michael.. He truly really believe that Michael did abuse these boys and that how some of the ppls still feel today after he was found not guilty in the 2005 trial. That why Chandler need to come forward with the truth that this never happen it was all lies.



Exactly.




You start to believe it so true.

Well, that person in your office is stupid. Just because he wants to believe it does not make it so. He sound like the fools who want to believe President Obama is NOT American even though the FACTS prove President Obama is American and he won twice but folks like you describe do not care. Pay off? That is called BRIBERY and that is against the LAW. Tell this guy to give you evidence MJ was guilty from the 2005 TRIAL. I know he can not because all of the evidence clearly showed MJ to innocent even from the 1993 case. Many of these people who trash MJ like to run their mouths and do not know what they are talking about. Yes, there are SOME people who may believe the lies BUT I think MOST people do not believe it but as usual, haters get the attention and talk the most so it seems like a lot of people believe the lies when in fact it is not that many people.

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Somewhere there would have been some financial evidence, a paper trail. How could payments to so many (in the hundreds of millions) be kept completely hidden over such a long period and be kept so completely quiet? They couldn't have. And every single family he supposedly paid off has stayed silent as mice. Incredible isn't it?

As for LaToya's cheques, funny how no direct evidence of those have ever surfaced. Almost as if they never existed in the first place. ;D

Exactly. And we have to remember, MJ was investigated worst than a serial killer along with a media who was out for blood in order to ratings. MJ was given no pass. It amazes me the folks that the media and other folks gave a pass, they were the one who are real pedos such as the guy from the Duggar family and the guy from the Subway sandwich spokeman, and Sandusky and the PROOF was there. Sorry but this is where many blacks think race come into play.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well, that person in your office is stupid. Just because he wants to believe it does not make it so. He sound like the fools who want to believe President Obama is NOT American even though the FACTS prove President Obama is American and he won twice but folks like you describe do not care. Pay off? That is called BRIBERY and that is against the LAW. Tell this guy to give you evidence MJ was guilty from the 2005 TRIAL. I bet he can not because all of the evidence clearly showed MJ to innocent even from the 1993 case. Many of these people who trash MJ like to run their mouths and do not know what they are talking about. Yes, there are SOME people who may believe the lies BUT I think MOST people do not believe it but as usual, haters get the attention and talk the most so it seems like a lot of people believe the lies when in fact it is not that many people.

Terrell you are awesome love your post.

He does not have any proof it what he is hearing ppls say.

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Terrell you are awesome love your post.

He does not have any proof it what he is hearing ppls say.

You all welcome. Many on here know that I worked in law forcement (17 years this years to date) and many people around me who worked with me never believe it or found the claims "suspious" based on how the family responded and creditability seem shaky Yet they were claiming to be victims. They can not blame it on a lousy LAPD, who searched MJ with over 1,000 cops, a bull dog DA-Tom Sneddon, who gave MJ no pass in fact Sneddon went overboard, a ruthless media, etc. These folks who worked with me including myself know a con game. We see it everyday.

 

[Augustino]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

double post

 

[Augustino]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Let me clear this up alittle he did not say he had proof but that the proof was out there and Michael would not win if it went to trial..

This is exactly what I'm talking about. He doesn't have any proof and he can't tell why Sneddon never introduced any such proof in court or why the media never talked about it (when they clearly were eager to trash Michael left and right) but he still says there was proof and Michael is guilty.
If this was an isolated incident I would say OK there are idiots everywhere.
But it's not. It's safe to say that no other country was as brainwashed about Michael as the US.
I'm American too and I just don't see this type of persecution happening in any other civilized country.

Would a Swedish DA refuse to close the criminal investigation after seeing those photos and then go around tell the media it was a match? Would the Swedish media leave him alone instead of demanding to know: if it was a match why didn't you arrest him?
Would a Japanese TV station promote a prosecution motion like that one with Abdool and his little vaseline story, presenting it like FACT and the Gospel, not looking into the credibility of the source or where the story came from in the first place?
Would the Dutch police raid someone's home with 70 men and helicopters to make as big of a splash as possible knowing that the media will love it?

When the UK police raided Cliff Richard's home and talked to media about it, they didn't use 70 men and this is what happened:

Police should not have released "highly confidential" details to the BBC about a planned search of Sir Cliff Richard's home, an independent report concluded.

South Yorkshire Police "interfered with the star's privacy" by telling the broadcaster about the raid in Berkshire last August, the report said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-31609227

Can you imagine any such thing happening in the US?
And independent investigation into how Sneddon and Dimond collaborated to prejudice the jury and humiliate Michael?

How many ways did the government and the media violate Michael's privacy and noone said boo about it.

Michael's persecution wouldn't have happened in any other developed country. Not like that.
It needed all the elements of American filth: greed, obsession with other people's sex life, sexism, conformism, racism, jealousy, more greed, the drive to get rich no matter what, sensationalism, hunger for ratings, more racism, police brutality, abuse of government power and the stupid, superficial plebs with an attention span ranging from 1 nanosecond to 2 seconds.

 

[Tygger]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

There is also a deep rooted cynicism in Americans society which explains why high profile rich defendants cannot really get justice. In most civilized countries verdicts are actually respected. Not in the US. Not when it conflicts with the preferred narrative.

That cynicism is racism and it happens globally, not just the U.S.

Michael's treatment as a high profile individual period is quite different to the treatment of similar individuals who are Cauasian even with similar fame and wealth.

Michael's treatment as a high profile individual period is very similar to the treatment of similar individuals who are African-American even with lessor fame and wealth.

 

[Augustino]

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That cynicism is racism and it happens globally, not just the U.S.

Racism played a role but I'm talking about all the idiots who compare Michael to OJ and say he got away with it because he had good lawyers, he was a celebrity blah blah blah. This would be their attitude even if Michael had been white.
Of course they fail to realize that with that they basically explain why Michael settled: why have a trial if you cannot convince the public you are innocent not even if you win across the board?

Michael's treatment as a high profile individual period is very similar to the treatment of similar individuals who are African-American even with lessor fame and wealth.

I can't think of any African American who was treated like Michael - not in modern times at least.
Kerry Anderson who is black and a former policeman, was Michael's bodyguard during the trial said that he never ever saw anything like that.
His rights were violated in so many ways, the media was so beyond insane, race alone does not explain that.

 

[Tygger]

Augustino, racism did not only played a role, it was the driving factor behind Sneddon’s abuse of power against Michael. In fact, Sneddon abused his power against several African-Americans (and Hispanic-Americans) that fans will never know. The only reason fans know about Sneddon’s abuse of power against Michael is because Michael is a high-profile, African-American (his passing did not change that). If Michael was Caucasian, despite his level of fame or lack thereof, Michael would not have been Sneddon’s target.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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Allow me to preface my remaining comments: I do not believe it is appropriate to discuss the Simpson trial here.

You're right, it's not. Off topic.

Edited by Ivy to add

Mod note: Refrain from off topic discussion please. The topic of this thread is the sexual abuse claims against MJ and relevant topics about sexual abuse. Any person continuing off topic discussion after this mod warning will be given an infraction and the off topic posts will be deleted.

 

[myosotis]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Interesting FB post by Wade

"Because chasing that old definition almost broke me completely and that new definition is saving my life." Wade.
Check out this wonderful petition and sign if you agree'.

He s talking about a link to Strayer University where they discuss old and new definitions of success, the old being:
The fact of getting or achieving wealth, respect or fame.'

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I thought it was realizing that he was allegedly sexually abused that broke him...

And what is his new definition of success? Seeking wealth minus fame and success? LOL.

Basically it looks like his life crumbled because he broke under the pressure of always achieving and succeeding (coupled with his inherited mental issues) and he decided to completely change his life, take himself out of that stressful life but the only problem with that was that it was all he knew and he still needed to finance a family and he and his family were not ready to give up the luxury life they were used to (Hawaii is not cheap) so they needed to find an alternative way that would allow Robson to retire in his early 30s, yet still live the high life, but without the stress of feeling the need to succeed and achieve. Enter false child molestation allegations against MJ as a way to try to rob money from MJ's estate and children, and secure the Robsons financial future without having to work again.

BTW, I remember an interview with Robson's wife from last year on one of those Hawaii blogs and she mentioned how she wanted to move back to Hawaii ever since their kid was born. Their kid was born in 2010. So way before Robson's alleged big "realization" they already had plans to move to Hawaii. It's a bit convenient that you want to move back to Hawaii (and that means you leave the life you built up in LA behind - including the entertainment industry, as I don't think Hawaii has a big entertainment industry) and THEN you suddenly find a way to "realize" something that could help you to get big money and retire to Hawaii in your 30s.


BTW, I agree that success is not just about wealth, fame and respect, but whatever makes you feel fulfilled and happy can mean success to you. Unfortunately a sociopath like Robson would never understand why it is a false success if you achieve that through hurting others and through creating a totally false persona about yourself and feeding everyone with lies. In other words: would his new friends love him for himself if they knew this whole "victim" persona he puts on is fake? That he is falsely accusing a guy who did nothing but help him? That he is capable of doing this to the memory of someone who considered him a friend and do this to his orphaned children? If his child grows up will he too be fed with this lie about MJ? Because then ask yourself, Wade, who these people really love? Because it is not your true self but the act you put on that your friends like. They would probably despise your real self if they knew who you really are (well, at least the ones with a moral compass). And that makes you a big fail in life, not a success story.

I think he probably justifies to himself this BS that he is pulling by putting the blame on MJ for this chasing of success. That is nonsense though, because it was mainly his mother who did that not MJ. MJ simply supported him in what he believed was Wade's dream. If it wasn't really his dream but his mother's he should talk that over with Joy but leave MJ out of it. But of course he cannot sue money from Joy.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Interesting FB post by Wade



He s talking about a link to Strayer University where they discuss old and new definitions of success, the old being:
The fact of getting or achieving wealth, respect or fame.'

what is the new definition?: lying, stealing, cheating and losing respect for yourself and others?

 

[myosotis]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I thought it was realizing that he was allegedly sexually abused that broke him...

And what is his new definition of success? Seeking wealth minus fame and success? LOL.


BTW, I agree that success is not just about wealth, fame and respect, but whatever makes you feel fulfilled and happy can mean success to you. Unfortunately a sociopath like Robson would never understand why it is a false success if you achieve that through hurting others and through creating a totally false persona about

I think he probably justifies to himself this BS that he is pulling by putting the blame on MJ for this chasing of success. That is nonsense though, because it was mainly his mother who did that not MJ. MJ simply supported him in what he believed was Wade's dream. If it wasn't really his dream but his mother's he should talk that over with Joy but leave MJ out of it. But of course he cannot sue money from Joy.

Exactly, to all the above, and LOL to the new definition

The new definition of success Strayer wants for the Merriam-Webster dictionary is:
'happiness derived from good relationships and achieving personal goals.'

I anticipate that Wade will remain disappointed in life, certainly with regard to the second part and the foreseeable 'legal' future.

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Racism played a role but I'm talking about all the idiots who compare Michael to OJ and say he got away with it because he had good lawyers, he was a celebrity blah blah blah. This would be their attitude even if Michael had been white.

MJ had the money to hire good lawyers to do their job and NOT let an innocent man like him sit is prison for a crime he did not commit. Many innocent people are in jail for crimes they did not commit because they did not have the money to fight and have good lawyers to research and find evidence to show they are innocent YET some folks want to think someone should not use their money to fight especially if that defendant know he is innocent? That defendant know the truth, not us so he/she should fight. These people are stupid. Do not blame MJ or anyone else because they were not going to allow the "system" to throw any kind of justice trial to them. No one should have to pay thousands of dollars to defend themselves all because someone made a accusation either but the same people are ok with that nonsense will be the same people who think someone "got off". People make those comments about someone "getting off" because of good lawyers because they can not face the fact the person is not guilty of the crime and they want that person to go down. It is all based on the evidence in the defence and cross examination, how it was collected, how a jury is following the rules and coming to the decision, who is being more truthful and forthcoming, etc. And being a celebrity worked against MJ. First of all, if MJ was NOT a celebrity, MJ would NOT have been accused because there would not be any money to go after and for a media to get rich off of the story. Second, there are people who are accused of this kind crime who are innocent or guilty and same folks who would be saying "we need to see what MJ case hold. Let the sun shine in and we need to know in order to know about MJ case". These were the same people, media, etc who would NOT give one second look into those NON FAMOUS people who are accused of the same thing. And third, if MJ was NOT famous, if given a NOT GUILTY verdict, everyone would move on and accept the verdict with no questions. Some folks are full of it. During MJ trial, there were many cases in California of child abuse going on. Did anyone see CNN, COurt Tv, MSNBC, Foxnews, Or Diane Diamond, Stacy Brown, and so called folks who said they need to know about child molesation cover those stories? NO. I rest my case.

 

[Tygger]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

And third, if MJ was NOT famous, if given a NOT GUILTY verdict, everyone would move on and accept the verdict with no questions.

Neither here nor there; however, as you said, the media most likely would not follow a trial if Michael was not famous and accused of the same misdeed. Some employers and neighborhood residents would still distance themselves from someone who has been accused of such a misdeed even if found not guilty.

 

[redfrog]

I thought it was realizing that he was allegedly sexually abused that broke him...

And what is his new definition of success? Seeking wealth minus fame and success? LOL.

Basically it looks like his life crumbled because he broke under the pressure of always achieving and succeeding (coupled with his inherited mental issues) and he decided to completely change his life, take himself out of that stressful life but the only problem with that was that it was all he knew and he still needed to finance a family and he and his family were not ready to give up the luxury life they were used to (Hawaii is not cheap) so they needed to find an alternative way that would allow Robson to retire in his early 30s, yet still live the high life, but without the stress of feeling the need to succeed and achieve. Enter false child molestation allegations against MJ as a way to try to rob money from MJ's estate and children, and secure the Robsons financial future without having to work again.

Can the Estate get those shrink records now, the timing of Robson's "realization" is obviously important.

Moveover, looks like Robsons wasn't even in Neverland when he was molested there. Magic!

Not if we believe both his and his mother's testimonies. His mother said that they all left after the first weekend
and only went back the next weekend, they travelled in the US between Feb 5-Feb 10 1990.
And since Zonen didn't ask Joy why they left behind a 7 year old to be alone with a man they barely knew we can be sure that noone ever claimed
that Robson was on the ranch alone during those 5 days.

This is what Joy said:

4 Q. And then you were invited up to the ranch,

5 as I understand it, for a weekend?

6 A. Correct.

7 Q. So you weren’t there for an entire week?

8 A. No.

9 Q. Just for the weekend?

10 A. Yes.

25 Q. Did you go back for a second weekend?

26 A. Yes.

27 Q. And was there a weekend between, or more

28 than one week in between?

1 A. There was a week in between.

2 Q. So it was the following weekend you went

3 back?

4 A. Yes.

5 Q. And when you went back on that occasion, who

6 was present from your family?

7 A. My husband, my daughter, my son, and my

8 parents.

9 Q. Now, on the occasion of the first visit,

10 were your husband and your parents with you?

11 A. Yes.

12 Q. Do you recall testifying at a deposition

13 that your parents and your husband were in San

14 Francisco on a trip the first time you visited the

15 ranch?

16 A. No, they went — we were all there for the

17 weekend. They left — we all left and went to

18 San — no, they went to San Francisco the second

19 week. We went back to Los Angeles with Michael.

This is consistent with Wade's testimony where he said that the only time
he was on the ranch without his mother was in 1993:

1 and I went to the ranch together. I think once I

2 was there by myself without my mother. There was

3 other people there.

12 Q. Were there occasions that Mr. Jackson would

13 summon you to Neverland Ranch?

14 A. Summon me?

15 Q. Yes. Call you up and ask you to come and be

16 there; invite you to Neverland Ranch?

17 A. Invite us, yeah.

18 Q. All right. Without your mother?

19 A. Like ask if I could come without my mother,

20 do you mean?

21 Q. Or just ask you to come, and you came by

22 yourself.

23 A. The only time I remember being there —

24 sorry. The only time I remember being there was

25 that — that trip that we spoke of by myself with

26 Jordie Chandler and Macaulay.

7 Q. Now, how often do you recall your mother

8 going to Neverland with you?

9 A. It’s been every time except for that one

10 time that I spoke of when I was there with Jordie

11 Chandler and Macaulay and I.

To make it worse in 2005 he said he didn't remember the second visit at all and now
he fully knows that it was 6 weeks and he was molested every single day during that period.

7 Q. And how long did you stay during that first

8 visit?

9 A. I think it was about a week.

10 Q. And after you spent a week at Neverland,

11 what did you do?

12 A. Went back to Australia.

21 Q. Do you recall the second time you ever

22 visited Neverland?

23 A. No, I don’t.

How come he remembers it now but 10 years ago he didn't?

Can the Estate use these to get it thrown out?
I mean if he wasn't even there and he is lying about that now that's pretty much the smoking gun evidence that this case has no merit in fact?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He will just say he lied in 05 to protect mj

 

[wendijane]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Company's are NOT people. Your emotional trickery is invalid.
Try,lie,Try, again Wade Robson.

 

[gerryevans]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I thought it was realizing that he was allegedly sexually abused that broke him...

And what is his new definition of success? Seeking wealth minus fame and success? LOL.

Basically it looks like his life crumbled because he broke under the pressure of always achieving and succeeding (coupled with his inherited mental issues) and he decided to completely change his life, take himself out of that stressful life but the only problem with that was that it was all he knew and he still needed to finance a family and he and his family were not ready to give up the luxury life they were used to (Hawaii is not cheap) so they needed to find an alternative way that would allow Robson to retire in his early 30s, yet still live the high life, but without the stress of feeling the need to succeed and achieve. Enter false child molestation allegations against MJ as a way to try to rob money from MJ's estate and children, and secure the Robsons financial future without having to work again.

BTW, I remember an interview with Robson's wife from last year on one of those Hawaii blogs and she mentioned how she wanted to move back to Hawaii ever since their kid was born. Their kid was born in 2010. So way before Robson's alleged big "realization" they already had plans to move to Hawaii. It's a bit convenient that you want to move back to Hawaii (and that means you leave the life you built up in LA behind - including the entertainment industry, as I don't think Hawaii has a big entertainment industry) and THEN you suddenly find a way to "realize" something that could help you to get big money and retire to Hawaii in your 30s.


BTW, I agree that success is not just about wealth, fame and respect, but whatever makes you feel fulfilled and happy can mean success to you. Unfortunately a sociopath like Robson would never understand why it is a false success if you achieve that through hurting others and through creating a totally false persona about yourself and feeding everyone with lies. In other words: would his new friends love him for himself if they knew this whole "victim" persona he puts on is fake? That he is falsely accusing a guy who did nothing but help him? That he is capable of doing this to the memory of someone who considered him a friend and do this to his orphaned children? If his child grows up will he too be fed with this lie about MJ? Because then ask yourself, Wade, who these people really love? Because it is not your true self but the act you put on that your friends like. They would probably despise your real self if they knew who you really are (well, at least the ones with a moral compass). And that makes you a big fail in life, not a success story.

I think he probably justifies to himself this BS that he is pulling by putting the blame on MJ for this chasing of success. That is nonsense though, because it was mainly his mother who did that not MJ. MJ simply supported him in what he believed was Wade's dream. If it wasn't really his dream but his mother's he should talk that over with Joy but leave MJ out of it. But of course he cannot sue money from Joy.

I love, love this post. It says it ALL.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Can the Estate get those shrink records now, the timing of Robson's "realization" is obviously important.

Moveover, looks like Robsons wasn't even in Neverland when he was molested there. Magic!

Not if we believe both his and his mother's testimonies. His mother said that they all left after the first weekend
and only went back the next weekend, they travelled in the US between Feb 5-Feb 10 1990.
And since Zonen didn't ask Joy why they left behind a 7 year old to be alone with a man they barely knew we can be sure that noone ever claimed
that Robson was on the ranch alone during those 5 days.

This is what Joy said:



This is consistent with Wade's testimony where he said that the only time
he was on the ranch without his mother was in 1993:




To make it worse in 2005 he said he didn't remember the second visit at all and now
he fully knows that it was 6 weeks and he was molested every single day during that period.



How come he remembers it now but 10 years ago he didn't?

Can the Estate use these to get it thrown out?
I mean if he wasn't even there and he is lying about that now that's pretty much the smoking gun evidence that this case has no merit in fact?

I think such things would be the subject of a trial. For now, the goal is that it doesn't go to trial. So like I said everything that the accuser claims has to be treated as if "true" and the Estate needs to show through legal arguments why it cannot go to trial.

Re. the shrink records. Maybe they can have significance at this stage as well, depending on what the Estate expects to find in them.

 

[dannyboy72]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Can the Estate get those shrink records now, the timing of Robson's "realization" is obviously important.

Moveover, looks like Robsons wasn't even in Neverland when he was molested there. Magic!

Not if we believe both his and his mother's testimonies. His mother said that they all left after the first weekend
and only went back the next weekend, they travelled in the US between Feb 5-Feb 10 1990.
And since Zonen didn't ask Joy why they left behind a 7 year old to be alone with a man they barely knew we can be sure that noone ever claimed
that Robson was on the ranch alone during those 5 days.

This is what Joy said:



This is consistent with Wade's testimony where he said that the only time
he was on the ranch without his mother was in 1993:




To make it worse in 2005 he said he didn't remember the second visit at all and now
he fully knows that it was 6 weeks and he was molested every single day during that period.



How come he remembers it now but 10 years ago he didn't?

Can the Estate use these to get it thrown out?
I mean if he wasn't even there and he is lying about that now that's pretty much the smoking gun evidence that this case has no merit in fact?

Yeah really. His story is all over the place. If this case goes before a jury, Jackson will without a doubt be acquitted once again.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

i don't know what wrong with these lawyers for Wade and James do their not know there is nothing more to be done for this case. Who want to hear again the Neverland five which is all lies. Wade must be promise them a whole lot of money. As a lawyer why would you want to put yourself in that poistion there is no proof to back up Wade and James claims it time to fold up camp and move on.



I agree with you Wade story is all over the place but the Estate does not want this to go to trial their are trying to stop that from happening.

 

[redfrog]

I think such things would be the subject of a trial. For now, the goal is that it doesn't go to trial. So like I said everything that the accuser claims has to be treated as if "true" and the Estate needs to show through legal arguments why it cannot go to trial.

Isn't that the demurrer phase but the summary judgment phase is about the claims being facts or lies?

I remember when Bryan Singer was accused one of his weapon against Egan was that he wasn't even in Hawaii when the alleged rape happened.
So if he could use that to dismiss that lawsuit why couldn't the Estate use Robson's nonexistence in Neverland betwen Feb 5 Feb 10 1993 in a similar way?

I also don't understand how anything the Quindoys allegedly saw could be used against the companies. They were not employed by those companies and they didn't report any molestation to anyone before 1993 anyway. So what do Safechuck's lawyer want to achieve with those claims?

Robson's mother, as we know from her testimony, not only was not ordered to stay away from the main house but she actually slept there on the second floor.
Can't the Estate use that as evidence that Robson is lying?

I don't see if they can use his entire testimony why they couldn't use specific claims which contradict Francia, the Quindoys, Murdoch, the Neverland 5.

BTW in a just world laches alone should be enough to dismiss this case. If laches doesn't apply here I don't know where it would apply:

Laches is an "unreasonable delay pursuing a right or claim... in a way that prejudices the [opposing] party".[1] When asserted in litigation, it is an equitable defense, that is, a defense to a claim for an equitable remedy.[4] The person invoking laches is asserting that an opposing party has "slept on its rights," and that, as a result of this delay, witnesses and/or evidence may have been lost or no longer available, and circumstances have changed such that it is no longer just to grant the plaintiff's original claim. Put another way, failure to assert one’s rights in a timely manner can result in a claim being barred by laches.

 

[KOPV]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The other night I was watching 'Full House' which I don't watch often but I saw Wade Robson guest star.. I don't know the last time I've been so disgruntled seeing a child on TV.... Walking around with his MJ haircut!!!

clearly idolized Michael...

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I do not even like the picture in the front of this thread makes me so mad i just turn away and click on the last pages.

All grow up now and now he is claiming he was abuse by Michael he makes me ill.