Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
This post has nothing to do with the current cases, but is more directed to those who choose to discuss matters with doubters or
even haters somewhere on the internet, and about interpretations on why people might be on the fence.
Every once in a while in this thread I come across posts that talk about how much is it really worth to do that? It's mostly a troll
you're arguing with and not worth your time ect ect or how much influence do these haters really have.
I'm not really proud of how I "discovered" Michaels innocence, but since I did and I see these talks in here come up again and again,
I'm telling how it was for me. But for that I probably have to reach back to when I first became a fan. Anyone who doesn't want to read this
long nonsense post has my understanding.
When the first allegations hit I was only a kid. Michael was my first huge crush. I loved him dearly. I didn't admit that at first though.
Not because of those allegations, but because my elder sisters were fans too. And since they used to bully me I didn't want to side
with them on anything. So it was simply a matter of principle. Goes to show you though that even the loudest MJ hater is just a fan
in the closet LOL.
Anyway, once those allegations hit I didn't understand them at all. I KNEW what child molestation was. Heck, I am a victim myself. But I didn't
see it in this case. All I saw was a fun guy who loved rollercosters to put it simple.
Enter my teenage years. I still loved him, but I got other music interests. I had my boygroup phase, my Houston/Carey phase, Soul, Rock'nRoll
I had my hard rock phase, I had my punk rock phase, heck, I lived it all. I still loved Michael, but he wasn't priority, and the allegations faded over
time and weren't an issue at all for anyone I remember meeting back in the day.
During my teenage years, it was more a matter of whenever he puts something out, I'm gonna be all in and whenever he rests in private, I won't care.
I almost missed Invincible, because that was the time I stopped listening to radio or watch MTV, because in my opinion it "all turned crap".
And lets face it, there wasn't much promotion to get you outside of that.
Anyway, back to the topic, enter Bashir bullshit. I was watching it with a dear friend of mine, who was a huge fan herself. Off topic, but noteworthy:
She suffered from borderline syndrome, and there were several occasions Michael and his art prevented her from cutting herself open.
So we watched that crap, and I was so confused. I felt incredible uncomfortable during that so called documentary, but I couldn't put my finger on it.
Something just wasn't right. But by that time, I was a young adult and I wasn't actively following MJ for years anymore. I felt conflict, and I didn't know
about what. I didn't really see anything wrong about MJ, but I was told there is something wrong. Frankly, I tried to forget about that documentary, probably
because I couldn't put my finger on what exactly was wrong back in the day, and that made me uncomfortable.
Looking back, I actually see comments like "If he did that, it's wrong but he didn't know any better" blahblah "He thought it was love" blahblah. Now that might sound sick to many of us, and it is. But I got my own explanation over time with that.
People were TOLD over not only years, but over more than a decade that MJ is a pedophile. That was wrong, but it settled down in the mindset. However, people still loved him. How many known pedophiles do you really know that are loved???
And don't try me with Polanski or something like that. He's still celebrated by the industry, but hardly by public. It's like with Michael they were told for so long that he's guilty, that even if they enter that mindset and say he's guilty, they still want to excuse him. They still feel for him. That doesn't happen with any other pedophele as far as I know.
It's just my interpretation but I think it's because their conscious was told that he's guilty for so long, while their subcouncious knows better. So they try to make sense of it and that's what they come up with lol.
About two years later, trial. I tried to avoid the news, and here enters my mindset on why it took me so long to get to the truth.
I was convinced that the media wouldn't tell me what's going on. No matter if he was guilty or not, I didn't feel like I would get the real answer from them.
I think I was kind of brainwashed, but not to the point of judging him guilty. More of "He might be guilty and if he is or isn't, I won't know."
I would give political correct answers to the issue like "I don't want to believe it, but I don't know". And that was the truth for me.
So I didn't really follow the trial, because I didn't feel I would get the truth either way. But I remember feeling a huuuuuge relief when I found out about the verdicts.
I was under the impression that you couldn't know unless you were there. Either in the bedroom or whatever, or in the courtroom. And whatever happens in both
of those won't be able to be public knowledge. I was still a bit new to the internet, and I had certainly no idea that actual documents could be looked in by the public.
Basically, I had already lost my faith in the media anyway, and I didn't know I could research facts myself, so I just turned off the tv, got on with my life
and tried to not think about it, because I thought it was in vain anyway to get to the truth.
I will skip MJ's death here, that is a whole other chapter, and I'm already writing more than probably necessary. And now enter the part I am ashamed of.
It was Wade freaking Robson. Once I learned about his allegations, I lost my cool. But not in the way you might think. I didn't curse him or anything. Remember, I was still
in political correct mode that "I can't know unless I was there". And I was still sure that no matter how much you google, you won't know the actual truth.
But that is where I lost my cool. I did google.
And guess what: Haters love soooo much to argue that because you are a fan you only look for the innocent part of the argument and refuse the damaging ones.
Well, **** off. Because that was the opposite of me. Not because I believed Wade, but because I was finally ready to accept and face anything I might find.
I wanted MJ to be innocent, not only for him but also for the kids, but I was also finally ready to face possible evidence to the contrary. So there haters,
I am the opposite of what you claim a fan is. Once I was ready to face the facts, I was ready to FACE IT ALL!
Granted, I still didn't believe I would get FACTS. I simply believed I would get swayed towards one direction given the stories I might find. Because, remember, I still didn't
know that official documents and similar stuff were open to public.
I started off reading a few articles here and there. But those articles didn't do anything for my knowledge. Over time, I realized that not the articles or videos were the
interesting source, BUT THE COMMENTS. There were trolls in there, yes. On both sides actually. All those MJ haters (probably from MJfacts looking back) and some
overemotional MJ stans. Thing is, MJ haters might get you for a split second if they don't lose their cool within their first post, but they will lose you once an educated
person answers back. I read those comments. Suddenly I found myself with links to freaking official court documents, testimonies ect ect, things I had no idea existed for
the public. I was overwhelmed. I was hooked like I was reading a freaking John Grisham novel because I couldn't fathom all the fukery that was part of this (and frankly, I still can't).
BUT funny enough, I STILL tried to look out for evidence against MJ. Because I didn't want to be a blind stan. I wanted to be sure I got it all covered. Even when I was
already convinced he was innocent I was STILL looking out for arguments from those who claim otherwise. Thats how much I am "politically correct". I gave them the benefit of
doubt for freaking months.
Truth is, I read the commentaries on IDK how many articles or videos, and it is always the same when it comes to this issue. You have a few "haters for life", a few
"I'm just a troll because I got a boring day", a few "MJ is an angel and if you can't see that then rot in hell" (won't help you sweethearts, trust me. Not a good argument) and
then you have those who are educated on these cases and slay with evidence AND most important links to that evidence, so your word is not empty.)
It was those comments that got me. I got to see for myself what kind of liars those accusers were. I didn't have to take the word from the media, nor from the hater, nor from
the fan... I got it right there from their own testimonies.
Part of me actually feels like I failed MJ, even though I never jumped on the bandwagon, simply because I also never actively jumped on the defense train.
Anyway, to this very day, I never made a comment on YT or ANY news article, I do own a twitter account but I don't use it (don't even know how to) and so on and so on.
I don't comment, unless it's a forum.
BUT better be sure that I read. I know what's going on, and so do several thousands of people out there.
You feel like you arguing with a troll on youtube is in vain? It is not! I myself don't do it because I tend to get emotional. Not in the "Leave my bb alone asshole" way,
but emotional enough that you shouldn't enter debates LOL
You won't convince the troll. Know that! You won't. You usually know when you're talking with a hater troll lost in cause or with an actual curious person just uneducated
within two messages.
HOWEVER, when arguing with a troll, throw all the links and evidence in there within 3 messages and then leave it alone. The troll will still argue. The lurker however understood.
And the lurkers are the majority. It was my experience years ago and this is the first time I'm sharing this, because frankly I am embarrassed that it took me so long.
Know that you are not writing for the trolls, but for the lurkers.
My motto is "Hate is always louder, but that doesn't mean love isn't bigger".
Haters are loud, but those who want to know the truth and love are the majority.
Anyway, long post of rambling, but I hope some of you truth fighters out there got some new motivations. And I want to come back to some earlier statement in my post.
I said back in the early nineties I simply saw Michael as a fun dude who loved rollercosters. I didn't understand all the things said about him. They didn't make sense.
Now imagine a little child watching that Bashir bullshit. I bet if you put a child in front of it, it won't see anything wrong either. All it will see is a fun dude
that likes to climb trees.
