[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

LindavG;4105214 said:
All of this could be true. I think Wade just revels in his "victimhood" and being a "survivor" and the sympathy and praise he gets from it. That's his new identity now. He was used to being admired for his talents but now that he's washed up, he needs something else to feed his narcissistic personality.

I agree he revels in it. I also think because of being in showbiz and his mother being this agressive stage mom since his childhood he is used to putting on a front and he is used to the idea that the most important thing is not who you really are but what you can make people believe who you are and how you can sell yourself.

MJresearcher;4105217 said:
Reminds me a lot of the 9/11 faker.

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/...ue_story_of_tania_ head_who_lied_about_being

She was heavily involved in groups and was a leader for survivors even though she wasn't one and she kept this up for a long time despite money not being something she could gain from it. Wade was doing this before his other case was dismissed and it probably looks good on paper. I doesn't prove he was abused but it'll make people more sympathetic to him. Like others have said, support groups frown upon people questioning each others stories so if someone isn't being truthful it can take a long time, if ever, for them to be found out. I wonder what he tells these people? I wonder if any of them have any idea of the contradictions and problems with his claims?

Good example. Just what Robson does. Found a documentary about it:

[video=youtube;NpNReEbDNG8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpNReEbDNG8[/video]

In a way it's also similar to that woman who was recently in the news because she was presenting herself as half-black and was a leader of black activist groups and was this huge black activist and then it turned out she wasn't half-black at all:

The race of a Washington state NAACP leader has come under scrutiny after the woman's family told the press she has been falsely presenting herself as a black woman for years.


Rachel Dolezal, 37, is president of the Spokane chapter of the NAACP, works as a part-time professor of the Africana Studies Program at Eastern Washington University and is dubbed "one of the Inland Northwest’s most prominent civil rights activists," according to the Spokesman-Review. She is chairwoman of the city’s Office of Police Ombudsman Commission, and identified herself as white, black and American Indian on her application. She also has published numerous blogs about being black in America on the Inlander.


However, her family is saying she is actually a white woman of European descent. Photos from her childhood show her as a blond, white child.
"It’s very sad that Rachel has not just been herself,” her mother, Ruthanne Dolezal, told the Spokesman-Review, revealing that Rachel began to "disguise herself" as a black woman in 2006 or 2007 after the family adopted four African-American children. “Her effectiveness in the causes of the African-American community would have been so much more viable, and she would have been more effective if she had just been honest with everybody.”


Her father, Lawrence Dolezal, said his daughter was a part of a "racial reconciliation community" while at Belhaven University, according to The Washington Post. She then applied to Howard University, a predominantly African-American institution, to study art, submitting “exclusively African American portraiture." The school “took her for a black woman” and she received a full scholarship. At Howard, she "assimilated into that culture so strongly that that’s where she transferred her identity.”


KXLY's Jeff Humphrey pressed Rachel Dolezal on the issue of her background. He presented her with a photo of her standing next to an older African-American man who she claimed was her father in promotions ahead of an NAACP ribbon-cutting ceremony earlier this year.


"Are you African-American?" Humphrey asked.


"I don't understand the question," she responded. "I did tell you that, yes, that's my dad and he wasn't able to come in January."


When Humphrey asked her if her parents are white, she removed her microphone and walked away.


Lawrence Dolezal told BuzzFeed he and his wife are estranged from their daughter because she “doesn’t want us visible in the Spokane area in her circle because we’re Caucasian.”


Rachel Dolezal quashed her parents' claims while speaking to the Spokesman-Review, saying, "We’re all from the African continent." She said the story surfaced merely because of a legal dispute. Apparently, she alleged abuse within the family and obtained custody of her 21-year-old adopted brother, Izaiah, who is black, according to The Washington Post. He lives with her in Spokane and Dolezal apparently claims he is her son.


Dolezal has also reported nine alleged hate crimes to the police in the past 10 years because of her racial identity.


In February, the NAACP Spokane president claimed she received hate mail in her NAACP post office box with photos of lynchings and words like "war pig," according to KXLY. However, detectives determined the envelope had never been processed through the post office channels and that it was likely placed there by someone with a key to the box.


She also claimed she had found nooses around her home.


The NAACP released a statement in response to the controversy Friday.
For 106 years, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People has held a long and proud tradition of receiving support from people of all faiths, races, colors and creeds. NAACP Spokane Washington Branch President Rachel Dolezal is enduring a legal issue with her family, and we respect her privacy in this matter. One’s racial identity is not a qualifying criteria or disqualifying standard for NAACP leadership. The NAACP Alaska-Oregon-Washington State Conference stands behind Ms. Dolezal’s advocacy record. In every corner of this country, the NAACP remains committed to securing political, educational, and economic justice for all people, and we encourage Americans of all stripes to become members and serve as leaders in our organization.

The group also called the reported threats "credible."
Rachel Dolezal and Eastern Washington University did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/12/naacp-rachel-dolezal-faked-being-black_n_7568856.html

Some people indeed revel in faking an identity of being victims of something, either for sympathy or attention or because - like Robson - they see some monetary benefit for themselves in that.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

IMO Robson uses it to collect ideas and to collect browny points and support from within the abused community if his case goes to trial.

He is pulling Conrad Murray.
Do you remember when he was heading to trial, he pulled this ridiculous stunt that he is so good doctor that he "saved" a passenger in midair.
Browny point for the trial, just like Wade is now doing.
 
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I just can't get my head around Wade's way of introducing his feelings about his group: 'I am excited to bring this healing experience to my fellow survivors of Maui'.
In which universe would any true survivor of abuse be 'excited' by any healing work like this? It just sounds too 'promotional' to me...not empathetic at all. He could have said something like 'It means a lot to me to be able to share this healing experience'....but not excited!!

And actually, it might be quite revealing that he was 'the only one to feel 'that kind of pain', because he was the only one (now two of course) who were making it up!
 
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This guy really is deluded.serious mental illness going on here. certainly reminds you of the 9/11 women. the fact someone would go to this extreme to act like a victim. its almost like hes wishing he was abused. if i were a victim id be well pissed off seeing this sort of stunt.
 
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I see Wade seems to be starting up a new 'Child Abuse Survivors Group' on Maui.... I wonder what the qualifications are to be a 'Certified Facilitator'?

http://www.meetup.com/childabusesurvivorsmaui/

In his case, a certified facilitator must mean you have to first be part of the MUD group. Moneygrubbing Ungrateful Degenerates.

That he is slinging his mud against the person who helped him and he lauded for his human kindness to get cash and I guess sympathy for his sick, depraved useless self should only have him getting support from fellow inmates. God, I hope there is truth in karma, and this guy gets the payback he deserves. Not only for what he is trying to do to MJ, but for using the pain of real child abuse victims.
 
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He acts like he was the only person who has ever been abused. How about in hell are you going to say anything like I believe I was the only person who lives with this pain? So narcissistic, everything is me me me. And everytime he goes on these rants about living with this for years, I know his lawyers are sick of him because he under cuts the claims in his lawsuit. Who's arrogance will be the end of him
 
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I've just been reading an interesting film review, which shows what people are capable of, even when money is not part of the equation:

Film Review: The Confessions of Thomas Quick
Abstracted from: The Sunday Telegraph (UK) , 9th Aug 15 (print version)


20 years ago, a Swedish man called Sture Bergwall stunned his therapist by admitting to 30 murders, including torture and other crimes. He was known as Sweden's 'Hannibal Lecter'; the worst serial killer the country had known. Bergwall had an explanation for his crimes; a childhood at the hands of depraved parents. In 2008, journalist Hannes Rastam decided to re-examine the 50,000 pages of therapy notes, court documents and police interrrogations relating to Bergwall's convictions. Rastam came to the conclusion there was no evidence for any of them aside from Bergwall's own confessions, many of which had been made when he was taking high doses of benzodiazepines. Rastam visited Bergwall in his psychiatric prison, and confronted him. To his surprise Bergwall broke down, admitting that all of his confessions were false. Rastam published a bestselling book about the case in 2012, and within a year Bergwall was cleared of all murders. The following year he was released after 23 years confinement.
Why did Bergwall invent these confessions? He was brought up by strict, but not abusive parents. After realising he was homosexual, he began taking drugs, and committed some criminal offences including assaults and an armed robbery which was committed to fund his drug habit. After the robbery, he was deemed mentally unstable and sent to the psychiatric prison. He arrived during the tenure of Margit Norrel, a charismatic psychoanalyst who believed that most people's problems were based on repressed childhood traumas. If these memories were recalled, the patient could be 'cured'. Initially Bergwall could remember little about his childhood, but when he adopted an alter ego 'Thomas Quick' and hinted at having killed someone, the therapists fell on him with enthusiasm. Bergwall, who was allowed out on day release, read up on unsolved murders in the library, embellishing his stories with details from novels. 'I confessed to the murders because I wanted to be an interesting patient' Bergwall said. 'The more grotesque the material, the more pleased the therapist was'. 'He really liked the attention he received, not least from the media' says Hill (The writer of the film). As long as the confessions continued, he felt less of a loser. Bergwall's stories were full of holes. When he 'remembered' details of crimes wrongly, his team saw this not as a sign of his innocence, but of being traumatisd by guilt, and they encouraged him to describe the scene again and again until he finally alighted on the 'correct' answer. Nevertheless, the Swedish courts found Bergwall guilty.
I don't think the people in the clinic were bad (says the film's creator), but they were misguided. They believed in repressed memory theories which have been totally discredited and when someone appeared who seemed the perfect example of their theories, they jumped on him'.

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As to the allegations of childhood abuse by Bergwall's parents, the writer of the film says this during an interview:
Q:...with six other siblings, it would have been fairly easy to corroborate these stories or find some evidence of continuous abuse, or something, going on?

Brian Hill : Yeah........ But that would have meant destroying the theory, and you don’t want the facts to get in the way of the theory, do you?
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I feel he wants to engage with victims as much as he can to practice telling his story because practice makes you better at almost everything. He probably believes this is the best way to prepare for taking the stand. He wants to sound natural to jurors if his case goes to trial.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm actually starting to wonder if some of his "fellow" victims from those groups caught suspicions and did online research themselves about that. Depending on how and what he said in there it's not impossible. It's really a matter of how deep he got into his story with this while telling them.
And no question he reads stuff like our posts on the internet too, so he might know by now which phrases to avoid. Although reading this last statement it seems he doesn't get a grip at all. What myosotis pointed out about "excitement" even flew over my head last night since I was simply blinded by madness. But it's so telling and so disgusting at once.
Now imagine you are an actual survivor, you hear his story, you get suspicious and you google for details, that person might even come across this place... and then you still have to sit with this person in one room and not be allowed to say anything, while - due to him - basically feel abused all over again, because he invades your save place.
Not to question others experiences is supposed to be a good thing, because so many are not believed, that's why that rule is there in those groups. But in this case Robson totally invades it and takes the insult to a whole other level. It just makes me sick, not only that he's fooling everyone, but that there might be a person who did the research, knows and can't speak up but maybe at the end of the day rather feels to not join at all anymore because that save place wasn't so save at all anymore either.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade isn't able to create evidence or actions in the past which reveal he was a victim of child sex abuse, the only thing he can do is try and create actions now for his future self to make it seem like he's a victim.

It's self defense. When people will say, "This guy is a liar who just wanted money!" He can bring up how he's with all these victim support groups, so make them feel guilty about accusing him of being insincere, as he's doing all these good things about it.

A lot like how the Arvizo's suddenly became the most amazing Christians ever after MJ abused them, and have continued to remain best pals with all the lawyers and journalists involved in that to the point of inviting them to the wedding. It's exactly what Wade is doing. Make it so when people bring him up in the future, they bring up these actions of his for sympathy or credibility factor.

When for all those years he both sided against the "victims" in court cases, and never once had an interest in child sex abuse or all this charity work besides.
 
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Michael Jackson's nephew Taj Jackson -- Tito's son -- just revealed he was molested by a family member on his mom's side when he was a kid ... and says Michael personally consoled him after the incident.

Taj dropped the bombshell on Twitter this morning during a tirade aimed at MJ accuser Wade Robson.

During the tweet session, Taj claimed he's in a unique position to judge Robson's sexual abuse allegations because he knows what it's like to have gone through such a traumatic experience.

"That is how I KNOW Wade is lying. Because I AM a survivor," Taj tweeted. Followed by: "I was sexually abuse (sic). By [a family member] on my mom's side of the family when I was a kid."

As for Michael, Taj says MJ "was a support system for me and my mom" during his abuse ordeal ... he even tweeted a picture of a note he says MJ wrote to his mother. The scrawl reads:

"Dee Dee please read this article about child molestation and please read it to Taj (and his siblings) ... it brings out how even your own relatives can be molesters of children, even uncles or aunts molesting nephews or nieces. Please Read. Love MJ."

And Taj makes it clear -- he thinks Robson is LYING for CASH.

"What people will $ay and do for money and to $tay relevant is $ickening. De$perate times call for De$perate mea$ures. #Money."


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/16/taj-jackson-molested-wade-robson-allegations/#ixzz3kEDB03Vc

Dee Dee Jackson, Taj's mother, was murdered in August of 1994. Taj was born August 4, 1973. So, sometime between 1973 and 1994, Taj had been molested by a relative in Dee Dee Jackson's family. Michael consoled Taj and wrote a note to Dee Dee about the subject. The point of a perpetrator is to make the victim feel like garbage. Why would either Wade or James ever want to associate with Michael again, when every time they would see Michael he'd make them feel like garbage. Yuk! Besides, if you have a weakness and need support because your inner strength has deteriorated, it is good to get strong. So is that the purpose of Wade's support group in Hawaii?
 
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jac...Autographed-/191669829104?hash=item2ca0697df0

Seller is called Chantal and it is signed " To Wade the best friend in universe love Michael Jackson"

Wow! How cynical is that?

If I thought the guy molested my brother I would tear such stuff apart and not try to make money of it. Such items are most probably bought by people who love and respect the guy, after all.

Hope it is also a sign of financial struggle in the family.

I hope no fan will feed them with money.
 
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The nerve of this family.

I'm surprised that poor little Wade kept these things in good condition until now. :smilerolleyes:
 
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Well well well, isn't that interesting! Good find! I'm surprised Wade's legal team isn't encouraging him to keep it and try to somehow use it as evidence of grooming or some crap. :giggle:

Might keep an eye on this account and see if anything else pops up. Maybe his legal bills are piling up.
 
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BTW, it's not fake. It's really Chantal's account.

Take a look at this photo from her Instargram: https://instagram.com/p/5vI6lMrGaz/?taken-by=chantalrobson

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Look at the table and the chair!

Now, look at these photos from eBay:

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Same chair, same table.


Apparently Wade visited her recently:

chantalrobson38 weeks today. Photo by my brother, Wade Robson. Thank you
https://instagram.com/p/6YxcYRrGdU/?taken-by=chantalrobson

So I wonder if he asked her to sell it for him. Not that it looks a lot less screwed up this way.

And on whose wall it was hanging?

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Interesting how he's using his sister to sell these things.

Apparently they may be aware it's in poor taste to try and sell as collectibles things someone who ruined your life gave to you in the middle of your lawsuit.

Imagine if Wade put these things under his name himself, there'd be backlash and people would point out how tacky it was.

I wonder how Chantal deals with the cognitive dissonance...
 
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$1100 - that's how :smilerolleyes:

I don't think it's worth that much objectively. Signed items aren't that rare. I think they must be really desperate for cash.

Interesting how he's using his sister to sell these things.

Apparently they may be aware it's in poor taste to try and sell as collectibles things someone who ruined your life gave to you in the middle of your lawsuit.

Imagine if Wade put these things under his name himself, there'd be backlash and people would point out how tacky it was.

I think that's why he asked Chantal to sell it for him. Not that it makes it look any less tacky and inappropriate. And maybe they thought this way it can remain under the radar.
 
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I don't think it's worth that much objectively. Signed items aren't that rare. I think they must be really desperate for cash.

Nothing about this item is worth the price they're asking, fans sell signed photos all the time in much lower prices. It's not rare. I hope nobody is going to pay for this. I wouldn't buy anything from Wade even if he sold everything for 5 dollars. I think these lowlife vultures shouldn't get a dime for items they got from their friend Michael Jackson.

It's actually kind of interesting they think it's worth 1100 dollars. It's just a framed photograph. The value of it is more sentimental than anything else. It's also the case with these medals ("jewelry") James is keeping.

I think that's why he asked Chantal to sell it for him. Not that it makes it look any less tacky and inappropriate. And maybe they thought this way it can remain under the radar.

I agree.
 
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Wow, I'm lost of words other than they are seriously fu..ed up siblings:bugeyed

What are the chances that you keep anything from person who molested you, or in this case somebody molested your brother:scratch:
Wouldn't the anger make them throw those mementoes away, or burn them, or something that displays hate toward MJ, but not these 2?
 
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^^^^Wow, exactly. Just when you think you've seen it all, new stuff happens that drops your jaw again. WR claims he was anal raped. I'd think a normal person would take a hammer to that framed photo. But his family puts it on ebay. Unreal.
 
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Anal raped by mj *spits drink out*
ASSSS IFFFFF! :lol:
Sorry if I was anal raped by anyone let alone mj I would've kicked that him up the balls!

Sorry but that story just doesn't sound beliveable
 
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^^^^Wow, exactly. Just when you think you've seen it all, new stuff happens that drops your jaw again. WR claims he was anal raped. I'd think a normal person would take a hammer to that framed photo. But his family puts it on ebay. Unreal.

And not only that, but it seems it was actually hanging on someone's wall - either Wade or Chantall.

But yeah, I agree, it is extemely weird to me. My reaction too would be exactly like yours, I'd destroy everything that reminded me of the rapist, not put it on eBay trying to sell it to people who most probably are fans of that alleged rapist and buy such stuff to celebrate him.
 
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Plus, which fan would want to own something Michael signed with the words " To Wade the best friend in universe love Michael Jackson" , exactly knowing what this so called best friend in universe is doing to Michael right now.
As much as I would love to have a signed item, you could give me money on top and I wouldn't want to touch it.
This really makes me want to puke.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Even collectors who are not exactly fans should find the whole thing too weird to buy. It's inappropriate no matter how you look at it.
 
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Okay now that I had my morning coffee let me try to understand this. His sister is selling a pic of Michael on eBay. First of all you don't have damn common sense to take the pic off the got damn wall, so you have a pic of the man you said raped your brother hanging up in your home. It does not matter if it was there for a half a second. Second of all it has wade 's name on it so it belongs to wade, so the "rape victim" kept a pic of his abuser for years. And is selling it because he wants money. Not destroying it because he is disgusted by the individual but selling it because he wants money. ****ing bitches. Sorry for blue language.
 
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I see that Chantal seems to have had a baby daughter, born on 29th August....(Edit: or maybe its just the picture appearing today...perhaps the birthdate was the 27th?)???

I guess the money from the ebay sale will come in handy.
 
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I believe the birthdate is 27th - that's what is written on one of the pictures.
 
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It's just amazing to me how they don't see how utterly tacky and tasteless this is. Can you imagine Jerry Sandusky's victims selling signed Sandusky merchandise on Ebay that was given to them personally by Sandusky? I guess at this point they will do anything to cash in on their relationship with Michael -_-
 
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