[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[barbee0715]

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I'm on a phone too, but I just pulled it up and I'm 99% sure she's the same person by the mouth and chin. You always look smoking hot with tousled curls and sunglasses than with pinned back straight hair at a Broadway show.

 

[la_cienega]

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Yes, it's the same woman. You can also see her following just behind MJ and Safechuck when they enter Japan. She follows behind wearing glasses, and you can see her in other shots wearing glasses back then too.

One of the whole myths about all this was that MJ always snatched these kids away from their parents to take them all over the world... but Brett's family spent 3 months traveling with him, Safechuck's mother was with him, and the Robson's too. Why didn't MJ ever try and get rid of the parents? How comes the only parent who figured out MJ was a pedophile was the one who was excluded specifically from their son's life, and therefore not even around to witness anything supposedly untoward until right at the end when he seemed to invite him over with the specific purpose of setting him up in something untoward, aka Evan Chandler?

 

[barbee0715]

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One of the whole myths about all this was that MJ always snatched these kids away from their parents to take them all over the world... but Brett's family spent 3 months traveling with him, Safechuck's mother was with him, and the Robson's too. Why didn't MJ ever try and get rid of the parents?

Well, like I had mentioned before, I was always way more suspicious of the mothers of the kids and what was going on there back in the day-not that I blamed them or him.

When I read June's testimony about that "trust" speech that she and Michael had and it was something (paraphrasing from memory) that she couldn't trust either of the two husbands in her life, and she could trust Michael, and he would take care of them-that sounds like she's talking to her intended new third husband to me-I don't think there's a lot of difference in Stephanie Safechuck, or June Chandler or Joy Robson or Lisa Marie-beautiful women with a ready made family.

 

[AliCat]

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Before Safechuck decided to file his civil law suit, I thought he enjoyed working with computers, that a hollywood career didn't work out for him and he had a private life, instead of a public life.

It reminded me of Martin Hewitt, from the movie, "Endless Love," which also starred Brooke ******* and there was even a big hit for Lionel Richie and Diana Ross.

I really liked the movie, Martin even reminded me of Donny Osmond. Martin's career didn't go too far, either, and so he opened up his own business, as a home inspector. http://www.homeinspector.org/HomeInspectors/Find/Details/14208FI

That's why suspicions arise from Safechuck accusing Michael. Somehow a grudge is starring us in the face, right Safechuck!! Both Robson and Safechuck are apparently not happy campers, living a life that wasn't in the league of Michael Jackson, and since the Estate is making billions, both Robson and Safechuck decided to just scheme away.

 

[HIStory]

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All these accusers had very controlling, strict mothers. These were not some neglected children that child molesters usually target. All these kids had a very strong motherly presence in their lives. Michael would be the stupidest molester to pick exactly these kids, when he could have picked orphans or underprivileged, neglected kids with no one to turn to. Not kids that always had their mothers on their heels and in their business.

That book that Robson recommended on his website claiming it gave him "an insight" in the mind of "his molester" - Conversations with Pedophile. I used to give a longer review of it and actually it is a book that shows very well why MJ does NOT fit in that profile. The pedophile in the book told about how he deliberately picked kids who did not seem to have a close relationship with their parents:

"Once I gained access to that circle, I would attempt to gain as complete an understanding of the boy as I could, see how he related to the adults and other family members, and if it appeared that there was a realistic possibility of success, I would then begin to groom my target. If I had determined that this child did not have the type of personality that led him always to discuss things with his parents, I knew that reluctance to communicate on his part could be developed into the keeping of secrets."

But when you read about Joy Robson, she was very much in control of everything in Wade's life. Like I said in the other thread: to me it seems impossible that such an in-control, hands on mother would not realize 7 years of sexual abuse, especially with the type of brutal things Wade alleges. Not to mention MJ would be stupid to molest exactly such a kid with such a strong motherly control.

And from Safechuck's complaint it seems his mother was around most of the time as well. Even his father at times. Allegedly MJ molested him hundreds of times and his mother who was almost always around them never noticed anything. Yeah, right.

 

[Lil]

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Michael would be the stupidest molester to pick exactly these kids, when he could have picked orphans or underprivileged, neglected kids with no one to turn to.

That is so true tho, especially since he's been around so many of those kids over the years. Also, he wouldn't have been so willing to, beside their parents, always invite other family & friends along as well.. I believe if it's one thing sexual predators try to do it's to isolate their victims. They always make it sound like Michael tried his very best to be alone with these kids at all times, but actually it was always his own initiative to introduce them to his family and have his nephews and a bunch of other kids around that he befriended.. not very smart or 'in character' for an abuser. But I guess we've already established he'd be the worst molester possible.. THE worst, contradictory, patternless, brazen molester out there who still managed to go uncaught for decades.. -_-

 

[myosotis]

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The involvement of Safechuck's family does appear to be very extensive, and goes well beyond his mother accompanying him to concerts and events. ie .
Para 10: Plaintiffs parents suggested that he invite Decedent to come over to their home. On multiple occasions after the first visit, either the plaintiff and his family, or the plaintiff alone would go over to see the decedent at Hayvenhurst.

Para 14 Plaintiffs father picked up the decedent from Hayvenhust.. and had to evade the paparazzi. Plaintiff and his family viewed this to be exciting.

Para 20 Decedent began sleeping over at plaintiff's family home.

Para 23 Decedent has become part of plaintiff's family circle.

and one of the most unbelievable statements of all: Para 63 Plaintiff's mother pretended she was not aware of earlier threatening calls or decedent's abuse. As has been said before, no matter how much the family wanted to be 'friends with' Michael, I can't imagine any mother from such a close family, who spent so much time with her son and Michael, actually ignoring a suggestion that abuse had taken place.

As regards Safechuck's education, Michael was clearly keen that he had academic tuition, since (Para 53) he apparently hired a Professor from NYU to teach the plaintiff about film direction at weekends, along with others who were also hired to teach him screenwriting and about the film making process at the weekends.

Now, I don't know if Safechuck is saying that although he was 'gifted at maths', he needed to work on maths all weekend every weekend, in order to achieve his scholastic ambitions in that direction? I remember in my (long ago) days at school, anyone who took the maths options needed to do much less study and revision, because maths is generally about understanding principles and processes, and applying them in various situations. This differed from studying eg history, English, science which required large quantities of facts to be read about and learned.

I have certainly known 'gifted mathematicians' and they have generally had rich lives beyond the merely scholastic, by involving themselves (and excelling in) activities such as music, chess, astronomy and other leisure time occupations. I would have thought that weekend tuition in other specialties would have generally enhanced Safechuck's education, if education is considered in it's widest, enriching sense. Plenty of children/students belong to school/ college sports teams, and practising and attending matches doesn't seem to do them much harm...

 

[HIStory]

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^ Good points.

Also while they are trying to blame it on MJ that Safechuck supposedly neglected school for filmmaking they also say this at one point:

"In conversations with the DECEDENT about dropping AP classes, the Plaintiff's mother stated that her son would end up doing what the DECEDENT was doing in his career, to which DECEDENT agreed, stating that day would come, and when Plaintiff became a filmmaker, there would be "a line around the block" to see him."

So who was it really who was pushing for this dream that Safechuck would be some big star?

 

[la_cienega]

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I remember stumbling across a story from someone who I presume is one of those old teacher's from this NYU movie school, and he spoke about how he would go to Neverland to teach some kids film things. This was the early 90s sometime. It's either Wade or Safechuck that this person was involved in tutoring. In their story they said that there was nothing weird about NL at all really, and that thinking about the allegations, he never noticed the kid he was tutoring to act weird or strange or different around MJ, no anxiety, no anything he could tell. I think he only saw MJ a few times there, MJ would be doing other things, and once waved at them on the buggy or played a joke on this tutor guy or something like that. Can't remember the link for the story now though.

Besides what he said about the kid not seeming to behave oddly at all, I thought it was interesting that he was doing this for kids all the way back then, and how he was interested in trying to give kids lessons and a stepping stone to achieving their dreams. It's what he also did for some of 3T, I think one of his other cousins, and also of course Prince. He did this exact same movie tutoring thing with his own son.

 

[reibish]

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Just popping in here to say that it makes me so ****ing mad that Robson and Safechuck have the damn nerve to do this. I can't do this anonymously so I'll just put it out there: there was a lot of sexual abuse in my family. I was one of the several targets in the family. Growing up, I learned to hate a specific family member - not just because of their addiction, emotional and mental abuse, but there was always something underlying and I could not figure out what it was - until one day a few years ago, after a huge major event with this person, and myself and the others in the family were talking about certain behaviors of theirs, and it all clicked. It made so much sense to me. And I haven't really been able to work through it since. It makes me SO MAD because I got off pretty scott-free as far as awful abuse stories go - and it sitll really messed with me. That Robson and Safechuck cheapen the experience, not knowing what it's really like, and ruining it for those who really do suffer - some in silence, some not, and some are alone and unsupported.

They have no. Idea. What they're doing and talking about. Not a clue.

It wasn't until this epiphany that I understood part of my fascination of Michael as a child was that because of the exposure, he was a "safe" place - many children trust him implicitly, because they can just tell when an adult is genuine. He was a "safe" adult for me, even though I obviously didn't know him. He was like a superhero, but was actually real. It's not that I didn't have genuine adults in my life, but as I didn't know what was going on, and he was of course depicted in this perfect hero image to me, it all made a lot of sense later on.

Screw them! Michael the opposite of a child abuser. He was really an advocate, the voice for the voiceless as he said.

 

[PoP]

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Just popping in here to say that it makes me so ****ing mad that Robson and Safechuck have the damn nerve to do this. I can't do this anonymously so I'll just put it out there: there was a lot of sexual abuse in my family. I was one of the several targets in the family. Growing up, I learned to hate a specific family member - not just because of their addiction, emotional and mental abuse, but there was always something underlying and I could not figure out what it was - until one day a few years ago, after a huge major event with this person, and myself and the others in the family were talking about certain behaviors of theirs, and it all clicked. It made so much sense to me. And I haven't really been able to work through it since. It makes me SO MAD because I got off pretty scott-free as far as awful abuse stories go - and it sitll really messed with me. That Robson and Safechuck cheapen the experience, not knowing what it's really like, and ruining it for those who really do suffer - some in silence, some not, and some are alone and unsupported.

They have no. Idea. What they're doing and talking about. Not a clue.

It wasn't until this epiphany that I understood part of my fascination of Michael as a child was that because of the exposure, he was a "safe" place - many children trust him implicitly, because they can just tell when an adult is genuine. He was a "safe" adult for me, even though I obviously didn't know him. He was like a superhero, but was actually real. It's not that I didn't have genuine adults in my life, but as I didn't know what was going on, and he was of course depicted in this perfect hero image to me, it all made a lot of sense later on.

Screw them! Michael the opposite of a child abuser. He was really an advocate, the voice for the voiceless as he said.

Amen! I agree with ya on Michael is a very safe and trusted adult.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

as of August 14 Robson and Safechuck demurrers are still pending decision. We continue to wait.

 

[8701girl]

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Thanks ivy for the update

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

5 weeks since hearing. Are we expecting a ruling this week?

 

[barbee0715]

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No. But I'd be happy for one.

 

[AliCat]

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When Dee Dee Jackson was murdered, Michael Jackson stepped forward to help his nephews, the sons of Dee Dee Jackson, to produce their album, "Brotherhood." Michael even did a short film with them for the song, "Why" which shows a woman swimming in a pool. Dee Dee Jackson did not know how to swim and was found dead in a swimming pool. She had been murdered by her boyfriend. This is the kind of mentor Michael is for other's. He does not commit violent acts against innocents, he helps them be better people!

Produced by their uncle Michael Jackson, who also served as the executive producer with Kenneth Komisar, the album was released on Jackson's record label MJJ Music. In 1997, after 3T completed their tour, a Limited European Tour Edition was released that included a remix CD. The album was dedicated to the memory of the band members' mother, Delores "Dee Dee" Jackson (born April 1, 1955 - died August 27, 1994). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brotherhood_(3T_album)

Despite their musical ambitions, the brothers are determined to continue their education. Taryll, the first member of the Jackson family to attend college, and Taj both go to L.A.'s Loyola Marymount University, while T.J., now a senior at Buckley, maintains a 3.5 grade-point average. Between studies, they began work on their debut album, only to be interrupted by their mother's tragic death. Says Taj: "We didn't have any incentive to sing anymore. Our mom was the fourth T. She was our inspiration, and she was gone."

"Our mom loved Brotherhood," says Taj of the song about filial loyalty they were recording when she died. "We realized she would have wanted us to finish it. And we realized we could do it for her."
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20102218,00.html

filial love - the love of a child for a parent

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I was hoping this was done but maybe soon we will get a answer Thanks Ivy


Any word yet?

 

[myosotis]

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I see Wade seems to be starting up a new 'Child Abuse Survivors Group' on Maui.... I wonder what the qualifications are to be a 'Certified Facilitator'?

http://www.meetup.com/childabusesurvivorsmaui/

My name is Wade, I am a survivor and a certified facilitator of this ASCA support group. I attended one of these groups for several months in the mainland and found that it added a profound level of healing to my journey. To be with a group of adults that I shared so much in common with, previously believing that I was the only one that felt that particular kind of pain, isolation and struggle, was an experience that effected me immensely. I am excited to bring this healing experience to my fellow survivors of Maui.

The purpose of ASCA (Adult Survivors of Child Abuse) meetings is to allow survivors to share their abuse and recovery experiences, to receive peer support and affirmation for their recovery efforts; to try out new, more adaptive behaviors and, in so doing, to better understand themselves and their recovery process. This is a peer support group, not a therapy group and is for abuse survivors only.

For more info about ASCA ascasupport.org/faqs.php

The environment is safe and private and the hour long format follows an organized structure which allows for us survivors to share, whenever we are ready to, with no pressure, ever. You can be known by just your first name, or even a false name if you feel more comfortable. Everything that is said in a support group meeting is 100% confidential.

 

[PoP]

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I see Wade seems to be starting up a new 'Child Abuse Survivors Group' on Maui.... I wonder what the qualifications are to be a 'Certified Facilitator'?

http://www.meetup.com/childabusesurvivorsmaui/

My name is Wade, I am a survivor and a certified facilitator of this ASCA support group. I attended one of these groups for several months in the mainland and found that it added a profound level of healing to my journey. To be with a group of adults that I shared so much in common with, previously believing that I was the only one that felt that particular kind of pain, isolation and struggle, was an experience that effected me immensely. I am excited to bring this healing experience to my fellow survivors of Maui.

The purpose of ASCA (Adult Survivors of Child Abuse) meetings is to allow survivors to share their abuse and recovery experiences, to receive peer support and affirmation for their recovery efforts; to try out new, more adaptive behaviors and, in so doing, to better understand themselves and their recovery process. This is a peer support group, not a therapy group and is for abuse survivors only.

For more info about ASCA ascasupport.org/faqs.php

The environment is safe and private and the hour long format follows an organized structure which allows for us survivors to share, whenever we are ready to, with no pressure, ever. You can be known by just your first name, or even a false name if you feel more comfortable. Everything that is said in a support group meeting is 100% confidential.

Really? Really!? He's such a freaking fraud.

 

[Dianne]

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I see Wade seems to be starting up a new 'Child Abuse Survivors Group' on Maui.... I wonder what the qualifications are to be a 'Certified Facilitator'?

http://www.meetup.com/childabusesurvivorsmaui/

My name is Wade, I am a survivor and a certified facilitator of this ASCA support group. I attended one of these groups for several months in the mainland and found that it added a profound level of healing to my journey. To be with a group of adults that I shared so much in common with, previously believing that I was the only one that felt that particular kind of pain, isolation and struggle, was an experience that effected me immensely. I am excited to bring this healing experience to my fellow survivors of Maui.

The purpose of ASCA (Adult Survivors of Child Abuse) meetings is to allow survivors to share their abuse and recovery experiences, to receive peer support and affirmation for their recovery efforts; to try out new, more adaptive behaviors and, in so doing, to better understand themselves and their recovery process. This is a peer support group, not a therapy group and is for abuse survivors only.

For more info about ASCA ascasupport.org/faqs.php

The environment is safe and private and the hour long format follows an organized structure which allows for us survivors to share, whenever we are ready to, with no pressure, ever. You can be known by just your first name, or even a false name if you feel more comfortable. Everything that is said in a support group meeting is 100% confidential.

Bold 1: Give me a fcking break you son of a...!!!!!! YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN WELCOMED WITH OPEN ARMS BACK IN THE DAY AND YOU KNOW IT!

Bold 2: I guess someone needs more explanations to make his story fit for the future, since his first (and second and third and so on) version already got ripped to pieces.

Bold 3: You mean you need to better understand how victims and actual survivors work. POS!!!

 

[HIStory]

It's not new though. He's been doing this before, it seems he now only added new dates. It just seems to be a part of his "victim" posturing. I feel sorry not only for Michael, but for all the real victims of child abuse whom Wade Robson uses in this shameless, unscrupulous way. What a totally amoral person.

To be with a group of adults that I shared so much in common with, previously believing that I was the only one that felt that particular kind of pain, isolation and struggle, was an experience that effected me immensely.

I said it before and I say it again. Just because you copy and paste ideas from textbooks about child abuse it does not mean everything in them works well with your own alleged story. How could you feel you were the only one and isolated with all the things going on around MJ in 1993 and 2005? Abuse victims who say this type of thing talk about isolation and being the only one because they have no knowledge about other abuse victims and think that no one else experienced the same thing as them and no one would believe them. Case in point, from the book "Conversations with a Pedophile", that Robson himself references on his website:

"Sometimes the most therapeutic discovery of all is the sheer knowledge that you’re not alone, that what happened to you has happened to another."

"For the victim, feeling different means feeling painfully cut off from others on a profound level. A kind of permanent loneliness keeps the victim from connecting with others and enjoying life fully. Before his child victims evolve emotionally , long before they assume full control of their own minds and bodies, the abuser intervenes and thwarts the process. These children are unaware that many other children who are also victims have experiences like theirs and share the feelings of differentness. They feel isolated."

"Sexually abused children know, of course, that other children eat, sleep, and go to school as they do, but that’s where the similarity often ends."

That's what the whole feeling isolated, alone thing is mainly about. Obviously this cannot be claimed in this case with everything going on in 1993 and 2005.

Also, what struggle and pain when his claim is that before 2012 he did not even realize he was abused and that it was wrong? In fact in his declaration Robson claims:

"I would look at my son and imagine him experiencing the sexual acts I did with Doe 1 - which I did not yet equate with being sexually abused - and, for the first time in my life, I wonderred if I needed to talk to someone about what Doe 1 and I "did together." I knew that I truly had no idea how I felt about it."

So you had no idea how you felt about it? Or you felt isolation and pain and struggle? Which one is it?

I see Wade seems to be starting up a new 'Child Abuse Survivors Group' on Maui.... I wonder what the qualifications are to be a 'Certified Facilitator'?

I looked it up once when I first saw Robson doing this and it does not really require any serious qualification. These are basically amateur local groups where abuse victims (or in Robson's case alleged abuse victims) talk among themselves about their experiences which is seen as therapeutic by this ASCA group. Maybe some training is given to those who take up the role of a facilitator, but it's not some serious qualification, more like just a few days or hours of training that anyone can do: https://www.asca.org.au/Education-and-Training/In-House-Training.aspx They emphasize that this is not professional therapy.

IMO Robson uses it to collect ideas and to collect browny points and support from within the abused community if his case goes to trial.

 

[barbee0715]

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I'm sure Michael has a ton of fans in Hawaii-I wonder if anyone is ever tempted to join one of these groups, stand up, and just ask Wade these questions-why did you feel isolated and alone when you were testifying against other "victims"? Why did you answer straight yes or no answers to questions about whether Jackson touched or kissed you, etc. You claim you remember everything, etc.

That, if anything, would throw the real victims in the group for a loop-used, once again.

 

[HIStory]

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I'm sure Michael has a ton of fans in Hawaii-I wonder if anyone is ever tempted to join one of these groups, stand up, and just ask Wade these questions-why did you feel isolated and alone when you were testifying against other "victims"? Why did you answer straight yes or no answers to questions about whether Jackson touched or kissed you, etc. You claim you remember everything, etc.

That, if anything, would throw the real victims in the group for a loop-used, once again.

I think one of the things that I read about these ASCA groups is that it's a rule there not to question each other's stories. You are supposed to be supportive of each other, that's the whole point. So I guess it's a pretty convenient environment for Robson.

ETA: Here it is, we talked about this before: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...tate/page337?p=3960283&viewfull=1#post3960283

 

[Dianne]

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IMO Robson uses it to collect ideas and to collect browny points and support from within the abused community if his case goes to trial.

See, this is what I used to think too. Or still think. But at this point isn't it obvious that his case is (hopefully) lost? I got it in the beginning, all the big bucks seemed easy to make or whatever.
But now, when his own laywers don't know how to argue anymore and dancing around an issue, the judge seems fed up, every one of his claims can be ripped apart... I don't get all the effort he's still putting into this.
Maybe my mind works different, I just don't get it, and I somehow get more mad about all of this the longer he keeps pushing this bs, reading his obvious lies and him using actual survivors to try and make it fit


Gnah, I need to log off. I'm getting way too emotional over this tonight it seems.

 

[HIStory]

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See, this is what I used to think too. Or still think. But at this point isn't it obvious that his case is (hopefully) lost? I got it in the beginning, all the big bucks seemed easy to make or whatever.
But now, when his own laywers don't know how to argue anymore and dancing around an issue, the judge seems fed up, every one of his claims can be ripped apart... I don't get all the effort he's still putting into this.
Maybe my mind works different, I just don't get it, and I somehow get more mad about all of this the longer he keeps pushing this bs, reading his obvious lies and him using actual survivors to try and make it fit


Gnah, I need to log off. I'm getting way too emotional over this tonight it seems.

Just because we think it does not have much chance of going to trial it does not mean he thinks so too. Maybe he still hopes. Or he hopes for the appeal. I also think he needs to put on an act for all the people around him, family and friends, who do not know he is lying. Or for the journalists he is planning to sell his story to if it gets thrown out. He's already done that when he first came out with his story: there was some support he was getting from some child abuse survivor group that he seems to be in contact with.

I don't know how much of an "effort" it really is. He has a session scheduled once every week but who knows what that means in practice. Whether they are all attended and they all take place or not.

 

[Dianne]

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Just because we think it does not have much chance of going to trial it does not mean he thinks so too. Maybe he still hopes. Or he hopes for the appeal. I also think he needs to put on an act for all the people around him, family and friends, who do not know he is lying. Or for the journalists he is planning to sell his story to if it gets thrown out. He's already done that when he first came out with his story: there was some support he was getting from some child abuse survivor group that he seems to be in contact with.

I don't know how much of an "effort" it really is. He has a session scheduled once every week but who knows what that means in practice. Whether they are all attended and they all take place or not.

Yeah I know. I guess my brain gets it, but something in me doesn't.
Also if it's bc of the family and friends around him, it's not like every survivor forms groups like that ect. Maybe it's just me, but the way he gets literally out of his way with all of this just makes it even more suspicious. There are a few survivors who fight front row for their causes of course. But the way he acts about it compared with his obvious lies and all just screams Begging for Believing to me, and not in a good way. More like liars who go out of their way to prove they are true, when someone who doesn't lie wouldn't feel the need to do that because they know they are true. Don't know if I'm making sense. It's already late here.

 

[HIStory]

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Yeah I know. I guess my brain gets it, but something in me doesn't.
Also if it's bc of the family and friends around him, it's not like every survivor forms groups like that ect. Maybe it's just me, but the way he gets literally out of his way with all of this just makes it even more suspicious. There are a few survivors who fight front row for their causes of course. But the way he acts about it compared with his obvious lies and all just screams Begging for Believing to me, and not in a good way. More like liars who go out of their way to prove they are true, when someone who doesn't lie wouldn't feel the need to do that because they know they are true. Don't know if I'm making sense. It's already late here.

Yes, I agree with that. Like when he gave interviews and also in his court papers he always feels the need to note "look what a typical victim I am". I can repeat here what I wrote when we first discussed this:

His way of talking is robotic and totally textbook talk with textbook expressions and textbook scenarios - that's because he obviously created his story with the help of textbooks. His constant reminder of how he's such a typical victim and his behavior is so typical is so off too. I mean when you are a real victim you aren't bothered to remind your audience of how typical you are when you are telling your story. It's all too emotional for real victims to be bothered with such things.

I agree that besides the brownie points he's doing it because it gives him an opportunity to fine-tune his story by getting ideas from real abuse stories, by observing how real victims behave, talk etc. I took a look at this ASCA group and these group meetings are about people telling their stories to one another, nothing else. The participants aren't allowed to psychoanalyze each other or give their opinions about each other's stories, just listening to each other. So yeah, it's perfect for Wade to collect stories and to observe how real victims behave and tell their stories.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...tate/page338?p=3960994&viewfull=1#post3960994

 

[LindavG]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Just because we think it does not have much chance of going to trial it does not mean he thinks so too. Maybe he still hopes. Or he hopes for the appeal. I also think he needs to put on an act for all the people around him, family and friends, who do not know he is lying. Or for the journalists he is planning to sell his story to if it gets thrown out. He's already done that when he first came out with his story: there was some support he was getting from some child abuse survivor group that he seems to be in contact with.

I don't know how much of an "effort" it really is. He has a session scheduled once every week but who knows what that means in practice. Whether they are all attended and they all take place or not.

All of this could be true. I think Wade just revels in his "victimhood" and being a "survivor" and the sympathy and praise he gets from it. That's his new identity now. He was used to being admired for his talents but now that he's washed up, he needs something else to feed his narcissistic personality. That's why he will keep up this charade in public even when the case gets thrown out IMO.

I mean, just read his statement:

My name is Wade, I am a survivor and a certified facilitator of this ASCA support group. I attended one of these groups for several months in the mainland and found that it added a profound level of healing to my journey. To be with a group of adults that I shared so much in common with, previously believing that I was the only one that felt that particular kind of pain, isolation and struggle, was an experience that effected me immensely. I am excited to bring this healing experience to my fellow survivors of Maui.

The purpose of ASCA (Adult Survivors of Child Abuse) meetings is to allow survivors to share their abuse and recovery experiences, to receive peer support and affirmation for their recovery efforts; to try out new, more adaptive behaviors and, in so doing, to better understand themselves and their recovery process. This is a peer support group, not a therapy group and is for abuse survivors only.

For more info about ASCA ascasupport.org/faqs.php

The environment is safe and private and the hour long format follows an organized structure which allows for us survivors to share, whenever we are ready to, with no pressure, ever. You can be known by just your first name, or even a false name if you feel more comfortable. Everything that is said in a support group meeting is 100% confidential.

Ugh, I need a bucket uke:

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Reminds me a lot of the 9/11 faker.

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/the_woman_who_wasnt_there_the_true_story_of_tania_head_who_lied_about_being

She was heavily involved in groups and was a leader for survivors even though she wasn't one and she kept this up for a long time despite money not being something she could gain from it. Wade was doing this before his other case was dismissed and it probably looks good on paper. It doesn't prove he was abused but it'll make people more sympathetic to him. Like others have said, support groups frown upon people questioning each others stories so if someone isn't being truthful it can take a long time, if ever, for them to be found out. I wonder what he tells these people? I wonder if any of them have any idea of the contradictions and problems with his claims?

 

[SarahJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

How could he feel alone? Aside from the other obvious so called "victims" isn't he forgetting about Safechuk. I mean he's not alone in all this now is he? Wasn't Safechuck inspired by his story on the Today show to come forward and now share lawyers? What, they never had a convo about any of this?