[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

How obvious is it that Wade and Safechuck both end up focusing their claims on how MJ ruined their careers, not through abuse, but because of other things like supposedly not telling them to go to college or with prophecies about Spielberg?

Imagine being sexually abused for all these years and even wanting to abuse your own kids in turn, but when you're telling the world it happened and seeking justice, you also throw in how you blame MJ for not having gone to college or prophecizing that you'd be as big as Spielberg, because you want the $$$$ for loss of work that caused and know that's where lots of your damage claims could be focused on? Imagine a real victim doing that.

What they're basically saying is if they'd gone to college and had a good movie career or become Spielberg then they wouldn't care about the abuse, as it wouldn't have affected or damaged them.

That's exactly what they're currently saying, and they don't realize how insane or revealing that is.

 

[HIStory]

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As a side note, I was reading Adrian Grant's book the other day and I realized that in January 1989 Michaael gave the full income of one of his US concerts to Childhelp USA which is an organization dedicated to the prevention and treatment of child abuse. Using that money Childhelp founded its South Carolina central which they named "Michael Jackson International Institute for Research on Child Abuse".

 

[PoP]

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The judge needs to toss this bs... Safechuck is a looney tune.. How is going to blame MJ for him not going to college? and again where were his parents?

If you ask me, STABchuck is nothing but a whiny crybaby. Wah Wah Wah!

 

[ivy]

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video at the link - don't know how to embed Instagram videos

https://instagram.com/p/6BpALxomJs/


1d
toogiesaurusToday is my first day off in a while. Was going through my videos and came across this dream. A couple weeks ago I danced in a video directed by Wade Robson (yeah) and choreographed by @teddyforance It was such an amazing experience to dance along side some of the most talented dancers of this time. I can't wait to see the final product. Still feels like a dream. A 12 hour dream. #waderobson #teddyforance #sonlux

 

[HIStory]

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^ On his way to become the new Spielberg, I see.

 

[seany]

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As a side note, I was reading Adrian Grant's book the other day and I realized that in January 1989 Michaael gave the full income of one of his US concerts to Childhelp USA which is an organization dedicated to the prevention and treatment of child abuse. Using that money Childhelp founded its South Carolina central which they named "Michael Jackson International Institute for Research on Child Abuse".

That's really interesting. Out of curiosity is it still named this? I wonder if they changed the name due to the 1993 allegations?

Seany

 

[ivy]

another one

https://twitter.com/larsenthompson/status/629071973419630592

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Larsen Thompson
‏@larsenthompson
Best day working with @tycediorio and Wade Robson on a short film…

 

[HIStory]

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That's really interesting. Out of curiosity is it still named this? I wonder if they changed the name due to the 1993 allegations?

Seany

I have no idea. This is the first time I read about it.

 

[HIStory]

another one

https://twitter.com/larsenthompson/status/629071973419630592

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Larsen Thompson
‏@larsenthompson
Best day working with @tycediorio and Wade Robson on a short film…

She too seems to be in the circles of Brian Friedman. It seems at this point he is getting Wade all these new jobs.

And here you go Friedman with the Robsons on July 18: https://instagram.com/p/5SlTUgBPZ2/?taken-by=brianfriedman

Robson's Instagram: https://instagram.com/feasthawaii/

I see he teaches his son to dance: https://instagram.com/p/4H7HOClu98/?taken-by=feasthawaii

How come? I thought in his mind everything he did before - dance, films etc. - were strongly associated with Michael and I thought he was having horrible mental visions about his son being molested, so why would you teach him the same things that you say you cannot do any more because of the memories it brings back and because of it being associated with molestation to you bla-bla-bla? And wasn't this "don't think, just feel" thing what Michael used to advise about dance?

feasthawaiiWade and his lil man warmin it up for tomorrow's #feastfire . Wade wisdom #1: "Don't think. If it feels good, you're doin it right."

Chantal's Instagram (wow, she looks old): https://instagram.com/p/3rgWOXLGT2/?taken-by=chantalrobson

https://instagram.com/p/xUkC4FrGW0/?taken-by=chantalrobson

She has a current photo of Joy (October 2014): https://instagram.com/p/uTiGJQLGUf/?taken-by=chantalrobson

https://instagram.com/p/sLxVoGrGbZ/?taken-by=chantalrobson

With Wade in Hawaii: https://instagram.com/p/1AFyi4rGSi/?taken-by=chantalrobson

It seems Amanda's book store was short lived:

• mauikahulaniI'm sad you're closed - i just found you! Do tell about this pop up shop?
• mauichildrensbookstoreWill certainly let you know @mauikahulani ! Sweet news is@mauithinggirl has decided to keep a kids book shelf that I will be helping them with. And if u'd like personal notification of our pop-up events please go to "contact" on our web address in profile to be on our email ohana. Hope to see u n your little ones this summer!

https://instagram.com/p/2M9wIsRSBZ/?taken-by=mauichildrensbookstore

I wish them similar "success" with everything they do.

 

[CaptainEoLove85]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think it's pretty obvious he knows the jig is up. He doesn't really have to hide what he's doing anymore, not that he ever did in the first place. His claims aren't going to go anywhere so he's going back to work. Geez if he had no problem going back into the entertainment field, he should have never made these allegations in the first place :no: I also secretly hope his projects fail.

 

[la_cienega]

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Yup, the don't think, just feel, thing is something MJ felt and taught about dancing.

Is he giving his son lessons then or just getting him to watch him? Because it's sexual abuse if he's not taking him to proper lessons, isn't it?

Nice to hear the bookshop failed. Hah. Yeah, so much of his current life is shrouded in projects failing, a nice trend, hope it keeps up

 

[barbee0715]

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The "just feel it" thing was part of his gripe when he said he was sorry he didn't take proper lessons too.

What I don't get, unless he knows something we don't, is why is he doing this? The case isn't over and he's suing for damages bc he can't work again.
Someone is bound to have sent these vids and tweets to the Estate.

 

[Dianne]

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He really knows no shame. If I would have pulled a stunt like that, I'd rather be working at McDonalds just to not be THAT obvious that I pulled bullshit like that for no good reason. I wouldn't know how to walk out of my door anymore. He's basically admitting that he's full of shit with this, and no one cares!

What does Safechuck do for a living?

 

[HIStory]

The "just feel it" thing was part of his gripe when he said he was sorry he didn't take proper lessons too.

What I don't get, unless he knows something we don't, is why is he doing this? The case isn't over and he's suing for damages bc he can't work again.
Someone is bound to have sent these vids and tweets to the Estate.

The lawsuits are still going on but maybe his lawyers told him about his chances. Or simply they are starting to run out of reserves and he cannot afford to sit around in Hawaii and wait for the result of the lawsuit any more. But yes, that he went back to the exact same job he did before and that he claims in his lawsuit he will never be able to do again makes him look like a clown. He is crying and whining in his lawsuit how the entertainment business, dance, film making is so traumatic for him that he will never be able to do any of those, because those are all associated with MJ and alleged abuse in his mind and then after his probate case is thrown out he happily goes back to and does these exact same things, seeks out the same job opportunities, moreover he teaches his son to dance with the same advice MJ gave him when he was a kid. I guess he feels above a McDonald's job or any other regular job that is not associated with showbiz. And in case his civil lawsuit would somehow get the go ahead, I guess he would simply say the therapy was so successful that now he is healed from that trauma and he can work in showbiz again. It's just very cynical, but then his whole case is.

What does Safechuck do for a living?

He works as a webdesigner. This is his website (I see he has a new photo of himself on it): http://e8interactive.com/portfolio/about/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/e8james

He works here (the pic that you can see of him here was his profile pic on his website earlier): http://www.thefwa.com/interview/avatarlabs-team

If you weren't working on the internet what would you be doing?
James Safechuck: Let’s not go there.

Being the new Spielberg, I guess.

 

[Dianne]

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Thanks for the Safechuck info respect77.
And yes, knowing his claims that answer he gave is really telling.

I have no doubt that MJ made all these statements. I also have no doubt that MJ truly thought if you just work hard enough you can become anything you want. It worked for him after all. Problem is, to become that you have to have that certain something, that special thing only very few are blessed with. Most children he was around seemed to get that. Only few think they can blame MJ for their own failure and for not having that certain something when all he did was to encourage them to do whatever their heart desires.
The entitlement these bastards feel to have is really mindblowing.

 

[barbee0715]

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I'd think his attorneys would be all over this and stop him, especially if they're working on a contingency basis.
This is no different than the idiots who go on disability and then get caught water skiing or mountain climbing.
Putting myself in his place, I would stay inside in a bathrobe or purposely work at a fast food place, like Dianne said above. At least act the part of the victim.

James doesn't look too different than he did as the Pepsi kid. A software "engineer" is pretty good for someone who couldn't go to college.

 

[Dianne]

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I'd think his attorneys would be all over this and stop him, especially if they're working on a contingency basis.
This is no different than the idiots who go on disability and then get caught water skiing or mountain climbing.
Putting myself in his place, I would stay inside in a bathrobe or purposely work at a fast food place, like Dianne said above. At least act the part of the victim.

James doesn't look too different than he did as the Pepsi kid. A software "engineer" is pretty good for someone who couldn't go to college.

I think that's the part that pisses me off the most right now. Like he's not even hiding to be full of bullshit anymore.
At least in the beginning, he was trying to put up an act. Believable or not, he was at least doing his part to keep this up. Now he's all out there, back to working, being welcomed back to working and no one gives a damn, when one of his major claims is that he's too traumatized to work like this again.
****ing bullshit!
Not that I had any respect for him since he pulled this... but now it's just like he's not only spitting on MJ's grave, he's literally dancing on it.

 

[Soundmind]

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He is miserable. Do not think for a minute he is a happy person.

 

[la_cienega]

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Seeing the estate's response to him, it's obvious they have something that exposes his claims even more, so he knows there's not a chance in hell of them coming through.

So yup, he's gone right back to it, not even feeling the need to pretend anymore. I wonder how sudden it was. Because he was a tree hugger in Hawaii just a few months ago, but suddenly conveniently around the time he understood his case was totally hopeless as it got rebuffed with the judge and then the estate started telling him they wanted all these docs to expose him, he was incredibly cured enough to go back into it? Just remarkable.

The case study these freaks could have done about them would be amazing. Truly a remarkable set of victims MJ managed to have. The way he left them untraumatized for over 20 years, and then traumatized for only 2 years before a lawsuit failed before they became fully healed again, truly amazing. When people say MJ was special, I had no idea really.

 

[HIStory]

So yup, he's gone right back to it, not even feeling the need to pretend anymore. I wonder how sudden it was. Because he was a tree hugger in Hawaii just a few months ago, but suddenly conveniently around the time he understood his case was totally hopeless as it got rebuffed with the judge and then the estate started telling him they wanted all these docs to expose him, he was incredibly cured enough to go back into it? Just remarkable.

On December 29, 2014 Robson said this on his Facebook:

Wade Robson
Yesterday at 12:42pm ·
The following quote played a role in helping me to step out of my previous version of life that had become irrelevant to me.
“We can’t solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used in creating them.”
Albert Einstein

So irrelevant that only after a couple of months he had posted it - and after his complaint suffers a big setback - he just goes back to that "previous version of life" that had supposedly "become irrelevant" to him. He's so cynical in his lying it's not even funny.

The case study these freaks could have done about them would be amazing. Truly a remarkable set of victims MJ managed to have. The way he left them untraumatized for over 20 years, and then traumatized for only 2 years before a lawsuit failed before they became fully healed again, truly amazing. When people say MJ was special, I had no idea really.

I know.

From Safechuck's declaration (the one that was filed in March):

"I began to see how innocent children really are and to worry that I would have pedophilic urges. I was even unwilling to continue with the family tradition and give my son the name "James"."

So ridiculous that they think claims like this help them. What the heck does the alleged abuse have to do with his family tradition? It would only make sense if his father had abused him. Or if the family tradition was to give the name "Michael" and he could not because of the alleged abuse.

 

[Amaya]

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To see him back to work like nothing's wrong and all these people around him giving support and saying they enjoy working with him really grinds my shit. He made those accusations that have been going on for two years and said he could never work in entertainment again, but now suddenly everything is okay? Paris almost committed suicide because of what he did and now all this. He has no remorse at all and no one around him seems to care either. uke:

 

[HIStory]

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To see him back to work like nothing's wrong and all these people around him giving support and saying they enjoy working with him really grinds my shit. He made those accusations that have been going on for two years and said he could never work in entertainment again, but now suddenly everything is okay? Paris almost committed suicide because of what he did and now all this. He has no remorse at all and no one around him seems to care either. uke:

 

[Dianne]

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I read that quote from the cousin before. Which year was it?
Because I wonder if Michael ever saw this side of him personally. Me thinks he had to... I don't think he was as naive as people make him out to be. But then I think about how he still hang out with him when he basically ran screaming the other way from the Arvizos and I don't get it. Sigh.

 

[HIStory]

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I read that quote from the cousin before. Which year was it?

April 28, 2004.

Because I wonder if Michael ever saw this side of him personally. Me thinks he had to... I don't think he was as naive as people make him out to be. But then I think about how he still hang out with him when he basically ran screaming the other way from the Arvizos and I don't get it. Sigh.

Based on some of the trash he collected around himself I am not convinced Michael was a good judge of character. And Robson was actually not that often in his life that Michael would know him that well IMO. Also I think fake people like the Robsons are very good at putting on a fake smile and a fake charming persona that people around them buy.

 

[Dianne]

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April 28, 2004.



Based on some of the trash he collected around himself I am not convinced Michael was a good judge of character. And Robson was actually not that often in his life that Michael would know him that well IMO. Also I think fake people like the Robsons are very good at putting on a fake smile and a fake charming persona that people around them buy.

Thanks. Mike should have listened to that cousin then. Although that was still prior trial.. ah well he would have won that without this scumbag anyway, as weak as the case was.

True. I guess I see MJ as someone who might see issues in other people but tries to hold on to the good for as long as possible. I'm similar in this. Might be my own issues placing on him though lol
And after all Robson put up his pro MJ smile until years after Mike died. So yeah, I guess he was good at it. I guess he didn't even know himself what he would be capable of.

 

[HIStory]

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Thanks. Mike should have listened to that cousin then. Although that was still prior trial.. ah well he would have won that without this scumbag anyway, as weak as the case was.

This quote was in the forum of Robson's official website which was operated by his cousin. I doubt MJ read that.

Actually, I am glad he testified and is on the record denying abuse.

BTW, I think Safechuck putting a big photo of himself on his website and elsewhere now amidst these litigations is a bit contradictory with his complaint as well. I mean when you read his declaration it's full of whinings about how scared he is of publicity and MJ fans and so on, but he puts his photos and where he works and e-mail address online? Kind of contradictory to me to the big fearful, paranoid persona he puts on in his complaint.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

On December 29, 2014 Robson said this on his Facebook:



So irrelevant that only after a couple of months he had posted it - and after his complaint suffers a big setback - he just goes back to that "previous version of life" that had supposedly "become irrelevant" to him. He's so cynical in his lying it's not even funny.
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I'm so glad they've made it so easy to debunk their claims.

Because people can say "Oh you're only focusing on the stuff from him making his claim, not the accusations themselves", but the thing is that these two have claimed they needed to be completely honest with their lives once they realized that they were abused, and that they weren't doing it for money, but for the truth and healing of it.

So exposing how it was a blatant money grab and that they went into this lying in order to make it work, only to keep lying and changing their stories when it was more convenient financially for them, really damages their credibility. If they're not being completely honest NOW when they supposedly have nothing left to lose, then when will they ever be honest? How can they ever be believed?

When this happened, the one thing I kept trying to keep in mind was that eventually these people always get exposed. No matter how long it takes, every single one of them ends up exposing themselves. It happened with the Chandler', with the Arvizo's, with the Matt Fidde's and Arnold Klein's. When people make lies like this so publicly, their basic story is the same: greed, they will do anything for money, and therefore they will lie and twist themselves into more lies to try and get it, because the story isn't important, what they're claiming doesn't matter to them, the eventual money is. For a while I wasn't sure if we'd get that expose, I wondered if they would have learned from the others and have been smart about it... but nope. I just hope he keeps this up. The more desperate they get, the better it works out for us in the end because the more lies they're prepared to tell.

 

[Dianne]

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Ha, yes, that's always one of the best parts. Those poor poor "victims" are so scared of the stans and fear for their life, yet they are out there all the time. No need for fake names or anything. At times they even seek the public themselves (see the Chandlers).
Poor haunted souls they are indeed :doh:

 

[HIStory]

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Here's another shot of Safechuck's mother - at least I think the woman on the right is her. The shape of her face kind of looks like the woman on the Hawaii pics, what do you think?

 

[SarahJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He is miserable. Do not think for a minute he is a happy person.

Honestly I'd love to see proof of that. Rather than, he just doesn't give a crap and is simply a self-centred narcissistic (fill in word of choice) who would go after anyone just because he could and couldn't care less about who he hurts along the way. Personally I don't believe in Karma, but if it exists it needs to give the two of them and their lawyers a big double whammy.