[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

JS does seem very upset that the 'Thriller' jacket he was given was taken away again to put in a museum (even though he was given another jacket to replace it) The jacket is mentioned twice, in paras 13 and 23.

Reminds me of the Arvizos being upset over the laptop and the van. They seemed more upset about MJ not returning those to them than about the alleged abuse.

 

[wendijane]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You are making yourself look like a right deluded dick head in front of millions!!!
In front of the world wade!!
Effing joke.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I hate when people think others are stupid. This tale told to day by Ivy and Respect (thank you guys BTW) is the biggest bunch of bullshit since the hot air balloon nonsense. I can't stand the fact that the estate has to waste money answering this crap and that the judge has to waste court time dealing with this.

 

[jaydom7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

where is the cause of action that shows the companies should be responsible?:doh:

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So if it did not seem that bad and he did not realize how sick it was until he began therapy in 2013, why was he worried about pedophilic urges in 2010 to the point of anxiety over it? Moreover why did he supposedly tell his mother in 2005 that he was abused and/or that MJ was a bad man?

he's all over the place with that. regardless of how he changes his claims about 2005, I think there's no way to argue that he did not know and realize the alleged abuse was bad back then. He doesn't need to tell his mother details and such, the use of word bad man is enough. that has no other meaning.

The whole "I didn't realize it was wrong until I had children of my own" thing is just such a BS and both Robson and Safechuck just use this crap to explain how something as big as the 2005 trial which was all over in the media complete with condemnations of MJ (so obviously it was plastered all over the news how wrong and how sick something like that is) would not make them realize.

funny in safechuck's case even the birth of his son wasn't enough for him to come to the realization Robson allegedly came. It took a second child and Robson lawsuit for him to realize it allegedly. That alone shows birth of children wasn't enough. I'm thinking most of these arguments are too fit with what happened to him. I guess it is possible that he went to a doctor and got a prescription for Xanax during his wife's pregnancy and after birth. But such nervousness could be due to having a child, feeling not ready and so on. and now he could be using that to fit to his narrative.

JS does seem very upset that the 'Thriller' jacket he was given was taken away again to put in a museum (even though he was given another jacket to replace it) The jacket is mentioned twice, in paras 13 and 23.

btw how many thriller jackets are out there?

Also, as regards meeting MJ's family, we are told in para 23 that MJ did not introduce his family to JS, except for Jermaine and Janet. However, they have forgotten that in para 12 JS mentions meeting 'three of the brothers' in the Hayvenhurst recording studio...so not 'Just Jermaine and Janet' then!
If there are little lies in the deposition, I am sure there will be big ones!

good catch

 

[SarahJ]

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Their whole thing is sloppy as hell. Reads almost as if they slapped it together at the last minute. If their referencing Michael's grammy performance of Man in The Mirror, he says he was with MJ after his Grammy performance in '89, except that was in '88. Michael was at the AMA's in '89 I believe it was. He did win for Leave Me Alone at the Grammys in '89. Also if they are going to bring in other accusers at least they could spell their name right. Its "Arvizo" not "Arviso".

 

[Soundmind]

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Reminds me of the Arvizos being upset over the laptop and the van. They seemed more upset about MJ not returning those to them than about the alleged abuse.

Well, according to one reporter at the time, Gavin became emotionally only when he laid to the jurors how MJ took back the things he gave him earlier. Zero emotions when he talked about the so called abuse.

 

[Doo Doo Head]

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It was quite sad and disturbing reading through the whole thing, but there were many inconsistencies and other little things that seemed off. One of the first was the tidbit about Michael giving hundred dollar bills to homeless people, a story seemingly irrelevant to the case at hand. I mean, why mention something like that? Sounds like a positive thing to do, anyway. Also, the main thing that really reeks through the whole story is the bitterness over his failed movie career, and on top of that, the studies he failed because of it. Safechuck being bitter at MJ, and MJ apologizing for "not being there for him" might be true, but not for the reasons he wants everyone to believe.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

why did he apologize to him for not being there for him when he hired teachers and private tutors to teach him direction. Did his own parents do that for him ? why should feel guilty for this sob lack of talent.

 

[Paris78]

Taj Jackson ‏@tajjackson3 August 5th
A quick update on my @IpsoNews IPSO complaint against the @DailyMirror Mirror
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sn75mi

Hey guys. Here's a quick update on my @IpsoNews IPSO complaint against the @DailyMirror Mirror in the UK. The Mirror published a headline and story saying my uncle paid £134m to 20 'victims' he abused.

After months and months of investigation by IPSO, the Mirror has still failed to produce a single piece of evidence to support the story. The Mirror has offered repeatedly to run a minor clarification, but the wording has been completely unacceptable to me as it refuses to state in print that it ran the story and headline with no evidence, even though it has effectively admitted this during our correspondence.

As such, I have asked IPSO to investigate and rule on the case. If the case is determined on the facts, the IPSO will find against the Mirror. I can’t go into all the details as the case is still on going, but I will try to remain opptimistic and hope that everyone does the right thing.

Lies like these spread throughout the world like wildfire. Other media outlets take them and spread them even further. Then the "lie becomes the truth”.
The people who start or help spread these fires must finally be called out and held accountable.

Taj

 

[jaydom7]

Taj Jackson ‏@tajjackson3 August 5th
A quick update on my @IpsoNews IPSO complaint against the @DailyMirror Mirror
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sn75mi

Hey guys. Here's a quick update on my @IpsoNews IPSO complaint against the @DailyMirror Mirror in the UK. The Mirror published a headline and story saying my uncle paid £134m to 20 'victims' he abused.

After months and months of investigation by IPSO, the Mirror has still failed to produce a single piece of evidence to support the story. The Mirror has offered repeatedly to run a minor clarification, but the wording has been completely unacceptable to me as it refuses to state in print that it ran the story and headline with no evidence, even though it has effectively admitted this during our correspondence.

As such, I have asked IPSO to investigate and rule on the case. If the case is determined on the facts, the IPSO will find against the Mirror. I can’t go into all the details as the case is still on going, but I will try to remain opptimistic and hope that everyone does the right thing.

Lies like these spread throughout the world like wildfire. Other media outlets take them and spread them even further. Then the "lie becomes the truth”.
The people who start or help spread these fires must finally be called out and held accountable.

Taj

Good Taj!!! I like his efforts.. He should sue Stacey Brown.. Stacey was the one that started that story without one shred of evidence.. He even went as far as saying that the prosecutors had the 'evidence' but didn't use it in the trial... saying Sneddon had incriminating evidence but didn't use it was asinine anyway.. But anyway I am glad that Taj is fighting for his uncle Mike.

 

[HIStory]

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I'm so glad someone from Michael's family took it upon him to finally challenge all this crap. Kudos to Taj!

 

[barbee0715]

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^^is this going to be part of the reality show, do you think? The press release described him as his uncles advocate.
I do NOT mean that in a cynical way. I've always loved Taj. He was the first nephew we met back in the olden days.

 

[HIStory]

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^^is this going to be part of the reality show, do you think?

I don't know. But if the IPSO fails to do the right thing I hope Taj will publish that correspondence of his with the Mirror where they admit they do not have any evidence for their story.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Great for Taj.

I'm hoping Stacy Brown will end up putting himself in the position of getting sued by a living person at some point.

 

[MJresearcher]

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I really like Taj, he actually does something to help when MJ is being attacked.

 

[HIStory]

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BTW, that in 2004-2005 the prosecution approached them and they turned them down is curiously missing from his story.

Police Seek Additional Alleged Jackson Victims

January 7, 2005

Exclusive: Just three weeks before the scheduled start of Michael Jackson's child molestation trial, "Celebrity Justice" has learned Santa Barbara investigators are trying to nail down an old case against the pop star that first investigated more than a decade ago.

According to "CJ" Executive Producer Harvey Levin, "It's pretty stunning that, literally at the 12th hour, the police are out in full force in Southern California, trying to dig up other alleged victims. You would think, at this point, prosecutors are working on opening statements."

Back during Jackson's "Bad Tour" in the late 1980s, published reports claimed that the superstar met up and shopped for toys in London with another Southern California boy, then said to be about 10 years old.

A private eye told "CJ" he was recently contacted by Santa Barbara detectives seeking information on that boy's family. The gumshoe told us he sent police several photos, which he says are of the boy's mother and father and the family's home.

Cops are chasing down rumors that Jackson may have purchased the home for the family -- rumors we're told the family vehemently denies. Just last Tuesday, police paid a visit to one of the boy's relatives. "Relatives of this boy are saying it is absolutely untrue that Michael Jackson gave this family hush money in any form," Levin stated.

"CJ" traveled to LA's Simi Valley suburb to get the family's reaction to the detectives' new interest. We went to the office of the young man's father and the family's home and spoke with the mother by phone. "She was upset, to say the least," Levin said. "She wanted this whole thing to go away, never to be heard from again, and that doesn't seem to be the case."

Already on the prosecution's witness list is a young man who settled with Jackson for about $20 million in 1994, along with a former Neverland housekeeper's son, with whose family, we're told, Jackson also settled, although criminal charges were never filed.

So why won't prosecutors simply rely on the current accuser's story? "To me, this is further evidence that the prosecutor doesn't have the physical evidence it needs to nail Michael Jackson," Levin observed. "They may go into the past to try and prove some modus operandi."

We are also told that the boy who detectives have been looking at has denied being molested by Jackson. Meanwhile, the judge in the current case has yet to decide if evidence from past accusers will even be admitted.

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

First page of that complaint, Safejunk mentions that MJ's assistant Jolie Levine organising that dinner in Havenhurst.
Is she Quincy Jones daughter, Jolie Jones Levine?

 

[HIStory]

First page of that complaint, Safejunk mentions that MJ's assistant Jolie Levine organising that dinner in Havenhurst.
Is she Quincy Jones daughter, Jolie Jones Levine?

No, it's another Jolie Levine.

The Jolie Levine who worked for MJ:

It’s not often that an event resonates on so many levels, but that was the case as a group of talented musicians played their hearts out to benefit Jolie Levine on the stage that was the site of the historic 1985 recording of “We Are the World.”

Ms. Levine, who was Michael Jackson’s assistant and has been a music coordinator for more than 30 years, has been disabled by lupus, a disease without a cure that affects 1.5 million people in the United States.

http://www.atkinreport.com/2013/06/...ief-musicians-fund-sponsor-a-night-for-jolie/

Quincy's daughter: http://joliejones.com/

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

No, it's another Jolie Levine.

The Jolie Levine who worked for MJ:

http://www.atkinreport.com/2013/06/...ief-musicians-fund-sponsor-a-night-for-jolie/

Quincy's daughter: http://joliejones.com/

Ok, thanks.
I'm only on page 10 and don't know whether laugh or cry when I read that complaint.
So far I got an impression that Safejunk is pissed of Michael took back Thriller jacket, thus he lost tons of money as he couldn't sell it after Michael's passing.
Then he is pissed off because he performed nightly with Michael on stage, but wasn't paid for his "services"(on stage)

First 20 pages reminded me of the man who sued the estate because MJ stole his herpes cure and his car insurance policy idea that would have revolutionize insurances for cars:doh:

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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This rant about his parents not sending him to college shows just how James is bitter and out of his mind. If his parents didn't send him to college he can only blame them and nobody else EVEN IF Michael or any other person for that matter told them they shouldn't. However, I'm 100% sure Michael had nothing to do with their decision because we all know Michael took care of many of his close friends\family members' high education especially his nieces and nephews so saying Michael somehow opposed to the college idea and advised James' parents against it doesn't make any sense not to mention the whole college talk supposedly happened after MJ cut James & his family off his life so why would he even care? LOL.

 

[HIStory]

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I suspect it was James and his parents themselves who put all their eggs into this basket that MJ would somehow make him a big director or otherwise give him some showbiz career.

He wants to blame his not going to college on MJ and excuse his parents by saying they were uneducated themselves so they had no idea, but that's such a BS excuse. My mother never went to college herself but she considered it important that I do. Just because you do not have a college/university degree it doesn't mean you are stupid and you are unable to see what's for your child's benefit. I think they just all wanted a showbiz career for James and they did not have a plan B if that would not happen. But like said, even if MJ encouraged him to be a filmmaker I find it very unlikely that he discouraged him from college. He also encouraged 3T to do film making but he never discouraged them from going to a business college, in fact, he financed their studies. MJ valued education - all kinds of education.

BTW, in his declaration Safechuck says he ended his music career around 2003-04 and that's when he thought about having a regular job and regular life. So he also pursued a music career and it seems to me that he spent 1997-2003 just trying to break in showbiz and when that did not happen he became bitter, especially at MJ because he felt that MJ should have helped him.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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I suspect it was James and his parents themselves who put all their eggs into this basket that MJ would somehow make him a big director or otherwise give him some showbiz career.

Yes, the only reason for them to put it on MJ is if they expected him to sponsor James and didn't plan ahead. It still doesn't make it Michael's fault.

He wants to blame his not going to college on MJ and excuse his parents by saying they were uneducated themselves so they had no idea, but that's such a BS excuse. My mother never went to college herself but she considered it important that I do. Just because you do not have a college/university degree it doesn't mean you are stupid and you are unable to see what's for your child's benefit. I think they just all wanted a showbiz career for James and they did not have a plan B if that would not happen. But like said, even if MJ encouraged him to be a filmmaker I find it very unlikely that he discouraged him from college. He also encouraged 3T to do film making but he never discouraged them from going to a business college, in fact, he financed their studies. MJ valued education - all kinds of education.

I agree. I know a lot of people who encouraged their children to get a college/university degree. MJ himself didn't go to college and still encouraged his friends and family to get education and financed it.

I think James didn't go to college because he and his parents probably thought he's going to be a big star and college will be a waste of time or ruin his so called momentum and maybe because they couldn't afford it at that point.

BTW, in his declaration Safechuck says he ended his music career around 2003-04 and that's when he thought about having a regular job and regular life. So he also pursued a music career and it seems to me that he spent 1997-2003 just trying to break in showbiz and when that did not happen he became bitter, especially at MJ because he felt that MJ should have helped him.

So even as an adult James still didn't think he should go to college close to 10 years after the last time he had a "big" job in show business - holding Michael's umbrella and whatever BS he did on Earth Song. Again how is anybody's fault but his?

 

[HIStory]

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So even as an adult James still didn't think he should go to college close to 10 years after the last time he had a "big" job in show business - holding Michael's umbrella and whatever BS he did on Earth Song. Again how is anybody's fault but his?

Apparently. Here is what he said in his declaration:

 

[Doo Doo Head]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

why did he apologize to him for not being there for him when he hired teachers and private tutors to teach him direction. Did his own parents do that for him ? why should feel guilty for this sob lack of talent.

He shouldn't feel guilty, but might've just said it out of kindness if even after all he had done, Safechuck felt that way and turned his back on him.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He claims taking him out of advance placement (AP) classes resulted him not going to college. Not true. You don't need to be in advance classes to go to college. Similarly his work at community college could have been transferred to a normal college.

what music career though? We haven't heard anything about that and nothing comes up if you google him.

 

[barbee0715]

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^^most people I know, including me, had to work and pay for college myself. It's never too late to go. In fact, if you wait til you're older, you have more focus.

This reminds me of an interview by Wade where he talked about Michael telling him not to take proper dance lessons and he somewhat regretted that advice. This was way before his allegations and it irritated me to no end. "Why not take them now?? What's stopping you?" Stupid.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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Apparently. Here is what he said in his declaration:

"Building "real" life for myself outside the life that I had with the decedent" more than a decade after he was "replaced" :smilerolleyes: What a loser.

 

[myosotis]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ But don't forget that (according to Para 44) 'Decedent always told plaintiff he would take care of him'. I guess he thought that meant financially, in style, for life....

 

[jaydom7]

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The judge needs to toss this bs... Safechuck is a looney tune.. How is going to blame MJ for him not going to college? and again where were his parents?