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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

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8701girl said:
I just read that Tom mesreaeu think the Mj estate have paid wade!! Can y'all believe that!
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If that is the case, then why is the case still active? Shouldn't it be dismissed already?
 
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He clearly said he is speculating with no direct involvement/ knowledge and Pearl is his source and he based is his speculation on Pearl being unable to find the case under "case summary".

Case never showed under case summary. Case always was and still is available under the membership required "civil case document images"

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I said this on twitter and I'll say it here. Settlements can be private and sealed but a case would still show some sort of a dismissal notice / request.
 
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No disrespect to Tom, but I really wish he would just be quiet. That doesn't seem to be proper for an Atty of his caliber unless he's been suddenly struck by the celebrity bug.
 
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Tom has been all over the place the last few years saying stupid, worthless things that don't help Michael at all but aids the anti-Estate crowd. I'm almost done with him.
 
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^^thats crazy!! What's wrong with him? Attorney envy? You'd think he would want to stay on the Estate's good side.
 
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TMez is close friends with Randy Jackson and he doesn't trust Weitzman - which is all fine as he's entitled to his opinion. I just wish he wouldn't speculate on such a sensitive topic as settlement though. It just results in fans being upset for no good reason.
 
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^^ok I understand that and yes, he is entitled to his opinion. But he (and for that matter, all attys involved now) should know that the settlement destroyed Michael much more than the original allegations ever did.
 
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No disrespect to Tom from me either but he should know better what kind of sleaze bag Randall is, I suspect he's putting ideas into Tom's head since RJ hates the Estate. I understand Tom has suspicions about the settlement given the fact Weitzman was involved but the truth is no one knows if the Estate even considered it. I want to believe they're all aware the reason the Arvizos, Robson and Safechuck tried/are trying to scam Michael was because of the settlement. Crooks won't go away if the Estate settles out of court.
 
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I think Meserau is on the King Jordan Radio on 25th February again. So we can expect more settlement-talk from him again like he did in the last show he was there.
 
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Question please: does anyone have a link to Mesereau's recent comments?
 
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I don't believe the Estate will settle this they said that was not going to happen. I agree this is what destroy Michael in 1993 no repeat please.
 
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barbee0715 said:
^^ok I understand that and yes, he is entitled to his opinion. But he (and for that matter, all attys involved now) should know that the settlement destroyed Michael much more than the original allegations ever did.
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Exactly that why we do not need a repeat. This will hurt MJ legacy. I do not want the ppls saying again he did it Michael is not here to defend himself and that would be so unfair and wrong.
 
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Spyce said:
Oh good :) i would love to call in and ask why he's listening to what Pearl says, lol.
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I wonder why is he listening to Pearl Jr too.
 
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After listening to his comments, I do agree with Mesereau that some judges' ruling have a political component. The endless extensions in these two cases that have been consistently fruitless are a bit ridiculous.
 
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Tygger said:
After listening to his comments, I do agree with Mesereau that some judges' ruling have a political component. The endless extensions in these two cases that have been consistently fruitless are a bit ridiculous.
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Is he talking about Robson and Safechuck when you say 2 cases? If that's the case, I agree 1000 percent. I haven't listened yet-because I couldn't find the minute mark-so did you listen to the whole thing?
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if it was settled. This has gone on for 2 years now. Maybe both parties were like "whatever, lets just work something out and get this over with and move on"
 
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barbee0715 said:
Is he talking about Robson and Safechuck when you say 2 cases? If that's the case, I agree 1000 percent. I haven't listened yet-because I couldn't find the minute mark-so did you listen to the whole thing?
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Yes, Robson and Safechuck are two, separate cases although I believe Safechuck's case was only created to support Robson's faux claims. The endless extensions have done nothing but, effectively drain estate funds. I continue to wonder who is funding Robson/Safechuck in this doomed venture.

I listened to the majority of the conversation. He discusses the Simpson trial as well and that may not be of interest for some. Spyce is correct that Mesereau's speculation is around the 1hour45minute mark. I would suggest starting maybe around 1hour35minutes or so.

Here is a link you can use.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/jordan...o-talking-michael-jackson-feb-13-2015-11pmest
 
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dannyboy72 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if it was settled. This has gone on for 2 years now. Maybe both parties were like "whatever, lets just work something out and get this over with and move on"
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I think we would definitely have heard something if it was. Even the recent Bryan Singer case that nobody cared about was talked about and reported by TMZ when it got settled.

BUT TWO YEARS IS TOO LONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Just a reminder: the last action we know about in this case is that the Judge accepted the Estate's demurrer in the Safechuck case but gave Safechuck another chance to modify it. Which is a standard procedure, nothing that is specific for Safechuck. So I fail to see why the Estate would settle at this point when the latest decision was in their favour and the case may be thrown out. That makes no sense.

And in the Robson case too the last thing we know about is that he was supposed to submit his amended complaint by December 16. We do not know if this happened, but considering nothing showed up in the court system we speculated maybe there was an extension given to him. We do not know. But again, I fail to see why the Estate would settle at this point. Even if you think they may eventually settle (would be a bad move though because it would only encourage other crooks), at this point of the process it just does not make sense.

ETA: And like Ivy said if there was a settlement in the works that would show up in the court system somehow as well. Like the case being put off-calendar or something like that.There is no any such thing in the court online system as far as I know.
 
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As Ivy showed, the case has not been settled. Unfortunately on facebook I've seen some people in the fan community reach conclusions too quickly and start panicking about this but it hasn't happened. I like and respect Tom and he said that he was only speculating. I've seen some fans get very upset and seem to be convinced that a settlement has happened without evidence and that worries me. We spend a lot of time here talking about how frustrated we are that people reach conclusions about Michael without making sure they have verifiable evidence to come to that conclusion so why should we do the same thing?

I understand that this makes people very emotional but it's important to dial it back and think about it and look for evidence before making a conclusion. Like Ivy said, if there had been a settlement, there would be an entry about a dismissal notice or request on the page about the case but there isn't which means it hasn't happened. Apart from that, it it had happened we'd probably have someone like Diane Dimond writing a gloating article about it. She was given information that Safechuck was filing a suit 3 days before it happened so I suspect that if a settlement happened she'd be told about it since someone seems to be giving her information. What it looks like to me is that Tom was given incorrect information by someone he put trust in, speculated on what it might mean based on the information he thought was correct at the time and it's descended into a mess of reaching premature conclusions from there. Tom is a great attorney but he's also a human being, he can get things wrong just like anyone else and I think once he knows about the mix up here he'll probably feel pretty embarrassed.

The best advice I can give is to always wait until evidence is available to confirm or deny a claim before accepting it as true, it's just too easy for things to get out of hand otherwise.
 
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Snap respect77, we must have been writing out posts at the same time. :)
 
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Wonderful posts !

I also want to clarify a confusion about "secret/private settlement". While in majority of the cases settlement terms are sealed / private / confidential , information about settlement isn't. So I strongly believe that there should be a dismissal request/notice. Plus settlement of probate claims require probate courts authorization and approval. So in my opinion a "secret settlement" is quite impossible.

Plus why would they consider a settlement now? as respect pointed out. TMez believes - and he is entitled to his opinion- that Estate won't want to go through a trial. and there's previous example from other cases that shows Estate settled after summary judgment - before trial. But even though you think that "settlement to avoid trial" is possibility, it is too early for that. These cases aren't even allowed to go forward and they can still be dismissed. So a settlement right now, doesn't make much sense to me.
 
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ivy said:
Wonderful posts !

I also want to clarify a confusion about "secret/private settlement". While in majority of the cases settlement terms are sealed / private / confidential , information about settlement isn't. So I strongly believe that there should be a dismissal request/notice. Plus settlement of probate claims require probate courts authorization and approval. So in my opinion a "secret settlement" is quite impossible.

Plus why would they consider a settlement now? as respect pointed out. TMez believes - and he is entitled to his opinion- that Estate won't want to go through a trial. and there's previous example from other cases that shows Estate settled after summary judgment - before trial. But even though you think that "settlement to avoid trial" is possibility, it is too early for that. These cases aren't even allowed to go forward and they can still be dismissed. So a settlement right now, doesn't make much sense to me.
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I don't know which probate court case of the Estate that was but I remember there was one with settlement talks (not related to Robson/Safechuck - it was something else) and the notes in the court system clearly showed that there were settlement talks going on. So that would show up in the system.

Anyway, this whole panic is simply based on a faulty information Pearl Jr. gave to Mez. Like Ivy pointed out the part of the court website where Pearl was looking for the case never showed the case in the first place. It's in another section and it's still there.
 
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Spyce said:
I couldn't agree more. Thamk you for this :) And Tom has said many many many times that he wouldn't be surprised, based on events of the past, if the Estate settled. But he always says that is just his opinion. He is simply basing his comments on past behaviors, but that does in no way mean that that is what will definitely happen.

I wonder if he realizes the effect his comments have. Then again, people keep asking him, so he's giving his opnion.

I dunno. I'm with you though. I think people just need to stop jumping to conclusions and wait. I read through the posts on Justice4MJ... *smh*
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Fans are to blame here in my opinion. Unfortunately TMez was given incomplete info and he based his speculation on that. However he was very clear that it was just a speculation and his opinion. So he cannot be blamed for that. And you are right, TMez has such credibility and respect that some fans treat everything he says as fact - even when TMez says it's just pure speculation. Plus if we are being honest, anti-Estate stance of some fans play a role here too. They are looking for any and all reason to attack Estate so they took what TMez said and ran with it like it's a fact.
 
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I just wanted to add that details of the Singer case I referred to was private, but information that it was settled was not. So TMZ reported it. And they definitely would have in this case.
I wish people did not take Toms opinion as fact, but I understand it since he is so revered by the fan community. But it is upsetting that people do because it just adds to the rumors.
 
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T Mez should be ashamed of himself for even listening to Pearl Jr. in the first place.. The judge has basically said that the case those two are presenting are not passing the smell test and as of now won't go further.. He has given them time to amend their cases but neither of them have proof that the estate is responsible for their lies of abuse and they can't sue a dead man.. The case should be thrown out and hopefully it will be. The estate has a 2005 acquittal on their side and years of praise of MJ from both of those liars, why would they settle?
 
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I think fans are to blame for taking Mez's words and running with it as fact, especially by estate haters looking for some excuse to bash Branca, I know Mez said he was speculating, but I think given his status in the fan community it was very irresponsible for him to be repeating this without even checking into it first himself, it's not just a little issue he was talking about, this is a big issue. I have no idea if he knows how crazy Pearl Jr is, but hopefully he looks into things himself in the future before repeating it.
 
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I just finished listening to it and I am a little bit put out. I realize he says he is speculating, speculating, but he also goes into great detail about the old Chandler case and the other kid, Francia, gives out amounts of money he speculates were paid at the time. He also says he doesn't believe Weitzman, and that Branca said Michael couldn't go through another trial (so that makes them both look bad) and that Gradstein, the Robson/Safechuck atty is a GREAT atty and points out that Quincy is using him too.

Then they speculate on how much money they might settle these cases for. Come on. I just find this highly irresponsible and it's really no wonder some fans are getting confused. He acts like it's a fact that they can settle it totally in secret and he uses Randy, Pearl ? and Sullivan's book as references.

I was really proud of him back during the trial for diving through all the bull and getting to the actual nuts and bolts of the case, which is that Sneddon had no case. And I wish he would keep it up with this. As Jaydom put it up there, the Estate does have an acquittal on its side, years of lavish praise from both accusers and the law is actually on their side here too.

Sorry to rant-I'm just a little disgusted after listening to it. Maybe the Estate should have put him on retainer and then he would have been happy, but there was absolutely no reason to do so-we all expect the case to get thrown out.
 
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