[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I really wonder if Michael haven't passed, that piece of shit would dare to stab him in the back and tell him in his face all those 20 years of friendship, the praises and defending him twice in a public court were a "lie" and Michael "abused" him. I want to think he wouldn't have the balls because even Michael haters would think it's odd, suspicious he spent 20 years defending and praising him when he could've done the opposite of what he did in the 2005 trial.

I don't think he would do this if Michael was alive. I really don't. I think one of the things that makes it easier for him and Safechuck to make up these horrible lies is that they do not have to face him and look him in the eyes while saying these things. Maybe they even convince themselves that what they are doing is not that bad because MJ is dead and cannot be sent to prison.

When you think of it no friend of MJ was able to say such things while looking him in his eyes. Gavin and Jason Francia were not really his friends at any time, so they do not count as "friends". Jordan was a "friend" but he never got up on that stand to say these things. In fact, he refused to testify both as a child and as an adult. According to the Chandlers book he did not want to testify. So even Jordan had apparently qualms about going up on a stand while MJ is sitting across the room and telling horrible lies about him while having to look him in the eye.

I think if MJ was alive Wade would still be having BBQs with him and we would never hear about Safechuck. They are cowardly little scums who are doing it because they think MJ not being here and not being able to defend himself gives them an advantage.

 

[SkysTheLimit]

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I really wonder if Michael haven't passed, that piece of shit would dare to stab him in the back and tell him in his face all those 20 years of friendship, the praises and defending him twice in a public court were a "lie" and Michael "abused" him. I want to think he wouldn't have the balls because even Michael haters would think it's odd, suspicious he spent 20 years defending and praising him when he could've done the opposite of what he did in the 2005 trial.

I've thought about this many times. I'd sure hope not, but honestly I'm not sure.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I agree too if Michael was still here you would not see this at all From Wade.

 

[dannyboy72]

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I read somewhere that when Jason Francia was asked to identify the defendant, he looked at MJ, smiled, and identified him. I was like wtf? why did he smile? When Jerry Sandusky's victims were asked to identify him, some quickly looked at him and then turned away, some were very reluctant to look his way and one just kept his head down. Now those are real victims.

 

[mjsdangerousgurl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

These things may seem like little things that don't mean much, but to me they're so telling.

Remember this is a man who says he needed to confront "his truth" and tell it to the world in order to heal, that he'd spent 20 years "compartmentalizing" his life in order to suppress what the abuse did to him.

But now he keeps saying things which make it sound like he has a choice in all of this, and that he can just cut out his "past life" and become some new person... that's not how dealing with real abuse works. He's basically acting like you can avoid your real issues by just running away and claiming to be a new person. Which is supposedly the big problem he had for 20 years.

I really do believe he's got manic depression and all of this is a symptom of it, and the more he uses stupid things like this to try and avoid his real issues, the more problems he's working up for himself in the long run.

You raise a lot of valid points. There are a lot of signs of Bipolar Disorder, and this could lead to delusions. While do not doubt that Wade has mental health issues, I believe he knows damn well knows what he is doing. He knows he is just trying to win cash and sympathy. He craves attention, feels sorry for himself just because he can't work and its his own falt--not Michael's!! Now he wants the public's sympathy for his false story.

I've worked in the mental health field for quite some time. Based on what I've seen and heard from Wade, I firmly believe that he has a personality disorder. The narcissism, the attention-seeking behavior, blaming others for their own problems are all classic signs. As others have said, this isn't going to work out well for him. I pray the judge can see through all the B.S. It makes me so angry!!

 

[wendijane]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Co sign a million times.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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I don't mean to be offensive to anyone who has the bipolar disorder but Robson. I've heard on many occassion depending on the severity of the desease, inappripriate treatment could lead pople to commit suicide. That scum would make Michael a huge favor if he just kills himself. :angry: I may be cruel but don't have an ounce of simpathy or compassion for him.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Cowards Cowards that what Wade and James are could not even face Michael with this lies when he was alive.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You raise a lot of valid points. There are a lot of signs of Bipolar Disorder, and this could lead to delusions. While do not doubt that Wade has mental health issues, I believe he knows damn well knows what he is doing. He knows he is just trying to win cash and sympathy. He craves attention, feels sorry for himself just because he can't work and its his own falt--not Michael's!! Now he wants the public's sympathy for his false story.

Yes, that's what I think too. I do not think he has some sort of false memories or anything, but he might work hard on trying to convince himself of it through all this New Age crap which relativizes and trivializes the objective truth. But I think all in all he turned on MJ for not being able to achive the goals MJ "prophecized" to him etc. and becoming angry with MJ for that, and when he did that all of a sudden it was easy for him to throw him under the bus for his own benefit and to use him in this despicable way to try to finance the rest of his life. He is clearly a mentally ill man, but that does not excuse his actions. There are other people who deal with mental problems, including bipolar disorder, without ruining other people's life and reputation. It's just sad that MJ had to deal with the worst type of bipolars (Evan Chandler and now possibly Robson*).

* While I do not want to play armchair psychologist, but knowing his father was bipolar, knowing his cousin committed suicide because of depression (bipolar disorder is also related to depression - its other name is manic depression) and looking at some of the things he said in his lawsuit I would not be surprised at all if Robson too is bipolar. This whole thing about getting into projects "with a sense of invincibility" (as his own lawsuit put it) but then suddenly backing out of those projects, never being able to finish or even really to begin them, these mood swings etc. - these are pretty much characteristics of bipolar disorder. And knowing his family history it makes it even more likely.

 

[somewhereinthedark]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade is scum and that's the bottom line. There are no excuses for what he has done EXCEPT greed and MONEY!!!
I will not dignify this scum by saying that he has a mental disorder.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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No one is dignifying that scum with saying he may be mentally ill, he's showing signs of it and some mental disorders run among family members such as being bipolar. There's no doubt he's doing this despicable act mainly out greed but some of the other reason are showing how delusional he is. People with bipolar disorder may have delusions.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You raise a lot of valid points. There are a lot of signs of Bipolar Disorder, and this could lead to delusions. While do not doubt that Wade has mental health issues, I believe he knows damn well knows what he is doing. He knows he is just trying to win cash and sympathy. He craves attention, feels sorry for himself just because he can't work and its his own falt--not Michael's!! Now he wants the public's sympathy for his false story.

I've worked in the mental health field for quite some time. Based on what I've seen and heard from Wade, I firmly believe that he has a personality disorder. The narcissism, the attention-seeking behavior, blaming others for their own problems are all classic signs. As others have said, this isn't going to work out well for him. I pray the judge can see through all the B.S. It makes me so angry!!

People with bipolar disorder can often tend to have these other personalty disorders too, especially while in a manic phase.

I think he has both.

Which is why this won't end well for him, in the same way it didn't end well for Evan Chandler.

 

[Soundmind]

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I do believe he will eventually commit suicide. The outcome is very clear.

 

[barbee0715]

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Maybe he does have this disorder -a lot of wildly talented and creative people do. I never put Wade quite in that level though.
I think this whole revenge thing sparks from the realization that he's not and never will be that level. In the meantime he's accustomed to a very high level of living. He had crazy success at a very early age.

I hope he doesn't commit suicide tho-at least until this is finally and completely resolved. People would blame Michael for it, I think.

 

[mjsdangerousgurl]

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Yes, that's what I think too. I do not think he has some sort of false memories or anything, but he might work hard on trying to convince himself of it through all this New Age crap which relativizes and trivializes the objective truth. But I think all in all he turned on MJ for not being able to achive the goals MJ "prophecized" to him etc. and becoming angry with MJ for that, and when he did that all of a sudden it was easy for him to throw him under the bus for his own benefit and to use him in this despicable way to try to finance the rest of his life. He is clearly a mentally ill man, but that does not excuse his actions. There are other people who deal with mental problems, including bipolar disorder, without ruining other people's life and reputation. It's just sad that MJ had to deal with the worst type of bipolars (Evan Chandler and now possibly Robson*).



* While I do not want to play armchair psychologist, but knowing his father was bipolar, knowing his cousin committed suicide because of depression (bipolar disorder is also related to depression - its other name is manic depression) and looking at some of the things he said in his lawsuit I would not be surprised at all if Robson too is bipolar. This whole thing about getting into projects "with a sense of invincibility" (as his own lawsuit put it) but then suddenly backing out of those projects, never being able to finish or even really to begin them, these mood swings etc. - these are pretty much characteristics of bipolar disorder. And knowing his family history it makes it even more likely.

Yes, I agree with you his family history is a red flag. There's a genetic vulnerability when it comes to the chance of one having Bipolar D/O. Hypomania is one stage, where the person often takes on many tasks and feels invincible. Usually this worsens in severe cases and can turn into full-blown mania. In mania, there's a lot of distractibility, impulsivity (often excessive spending/foolish decisions), disorganized thinking, even delusions--and this leads to inability to finish tasks and often *financial problems *(this all screams Wade!)*

Then, this often leads to the "crash" where depressive episodes occur as part of Bipolar, which hits hard when the person has to deal with all the consequences of their behavior during the mania. As you said, this is not an excuse for his actions. There are plenty of wonderful people with Bipolar who are not self-serving life ruiners, like Wade (this is where the personality stuff comes in that's definitely just Wade as a person aside from bipolar: the narcissism, etc). So basically 1. He is a despicable scumbag and 2. All of the signs he is shown plus his family history *do scream Bipolar*
All of this definitely sheds some light when it comes to trying to put all the parts of the puzzle together regarding Wade. At least those are my thoughts!

 

[8701girl]

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Maybe he does have this disorder -a lot of wildly talented and creative people do. I never put Wade quite in that level though.
I think this whole revenge thing sparks from the realization that he's not and never will be that level. In the meantime he's accustomed to a very high level of living. He had crazy success at a very early age.

I hope he doesn't commit suicide tho-at least until this is finally and completely resolved. People would blame Michael for it, I think.

I agree on the last point and hope that doesn't happen

 

[MJresearcher]

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I wonder if Wade is being properly medicated? If not he could be completely off his tree which would explain a lot. That's not to say that he doesn't understand what he's doing, but not being treated properly can very bad and people in the grips of their illness can end up doing things they usually wouldn't but I'm not sure how long this would last, I'd expect this kind of behaviour to be more short term if it was all caused by his illness. This appears to be a mixture of mental illness and a selfish and irresponsible attitude.

 

[SkysTheLimit]

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All this talk of Robson having a bipolar disorder is definitely intriguing. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if he did have something of the sort.
Respect777, I agree with you completely, I've had thought's about him being mad at himself/Michael because he didn't get as far as Michael said he could. But that's all his doing IMO, Michael gave him the tools to help him get far but it seemed to me that he wasn't pushing himself enough, almost like he was expecting things to just fall in his lap. If that makes sense?
I like what you said MJresearcher.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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Michael had a lot to do with his success in his childhood, he had no righr to be mad at him since he helped to have a career. I don't know if W. is a talentless idiot for not taking advantage of that chance Michael gave him or if it's caused due to the bipolar symptoms/signns but again, Michael has nothing to do with it, it's all on him.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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Double post, sorry!

 

[#MJforever57]

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I just do not see how James is going to fix his amended complaint he can not change his story that will not look good and as for his equitable estopped that does not look good either because he has no reason why he could not file within the 60 days. Michael was gone and the Estate knew nothing about him so the judge just might dismiss his case he really have no claim.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

has it not been 3 weeks?

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Not yet it suppose to be next week either the 20 or 21 of Jan.

 

[xosweetseducingsighsxo]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If Wade is doing this partially (and I'm glad I'm not the only one who had thoughts about it) because he didn't get as far as Michael said, what I'm not understanding is why take it out on the person who gave you the starting point to get that far? That's like getting mad at a parent who put you in the right school to make sure you got the right education and you didn't graduate because you didn't put any effort into it. These things don't come easy and just because you know a celebrity doesn't mean you'll get your way.


And as for Jan. 20/or 21, I'm late. Someone please fill me in.

 

[SkysTheLimit]

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Michael had a lot to do with his success in his childhood, he had no righr to be mad at him since he helped to have a career. I don't know if W. is a talentless idiot for not taking advantage of that chance Michael gave him or if it's caused due to the bipolar symptoms/signns but again, Michael has nothing to do with it, it's all on him.

If he didn't take advantage of the chance Michael gave him then he's an idiot. It just really irks me to see him blaming Michael.

 

[ivy]

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And as for Jan. 20/or 21, I'm late. Someone please fill me in.

media reported judge gave safechuck 3 weeks to amend his probate claim. We are trying to determine when that is exactly due.

has it not been 3 weeks?

no. judge's decision was December 30th and I'm not sure what is exactly "3 weeks" the media reported. Most of the time judge's give "10 days to amend" etc. and those days are court days. If the judge gave 15 days(5 business days a week makes it 3 weeks), it would put the due date on January 22nd (as both Jan 1st and 19th are federal holidays). If the judge gave 21 days ( and the media wrote it as 3 weeks) it would be January 30th.

Also for the Robson, still no amended complaint for the civil case against corporations show in the system. I don't think it would take it this long to be added to the system. So at this time I think either they got an extension or the complaint is filed sealed.

 

[#MJforever57]

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Also for the Robson, still no amended complaint for the civil case against corporations show in the system. I don't think it would take it this long to be added to the system. So at this time I think either they got an extension or the complaint is filed sealed.

Ivy could it be that maybe Wade did not file one Dec.16 he had to prove that somebody in MJ companies knew or was aware that this was going on that why he had to go back and fix it because the judge said it did not fit the law. So Ivy if it might be seal then we may never know right? There is no telling what Wade and his lawyers are doing but imo they case does not look good at this point. We really do not know how many chance the judge is going to give Wade.




Looking at the posts in this thread the pass couples of days it clear to see Wade blame Michael for his downfall by accusing him of something he did not do and the sad part is Wade is doing this after Michael has pass away. Michael has done so much for Wade and for him to turn around and do this to Michael just wrong.

We have said it in this thread if Michael was here you would not see this and for Wade and James to do this they are wrong. If Wade keep on hiding behind this lie he life will get worst before it will get better.

 

[wendijane]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

stop it wadehow could you do this please just stop it!

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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Also for the Robson, still no amended complaint for the civil case against corporations show in the system. I don't think it would take it this long to be added to the system. So at this time I think either they got an extension or the complaint is filed sealed.

and how long it usually takes until the judge rule about such complaints? I don't except a definite time but since the judge probably got it almost a month ago at the same day Safechuck's case was discussed, is it normal?

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

and how long it usually takes until the judge rule about such complaints? I don't except a definite time but since the judge probably got it almost a month ago at the same day Safechuck's case was discussed, is it normal?

what do you mean by "rule about such complaints"? If you are talking about a redaction, the last time it took a month or so. if you are talking about a demurrer, it's not automatic. It would require Estate to file a demurrer, an opposition by robson, a reply by Estate and a hearing before any decision is done.

Ivy could it be that maybe Wade did not file one Dec.16

if he doesn't file on time, we should see a dismissal request from Estate.

So Ivy if it might be seal then we may never know right?

eventually there would be a reply or such that show us that something was filed.