[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I see the picture now thank you Ivy i agree too there might not be a way to fix it both have change they stories

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well, it's better than dismissing the demurrer, but I would have liked it more if the Judge sustained the demurrer for good now. I hope it's really just because what seems to be his habit of giving Plaintiffs second chances, because I cannot see how this complaint possibly could be fixed to work. I mean if he is out of statutes than he is out of statutes and he will be out of statutes even if he amends his complaint.

What possible amendments the Judge could expect here? Safechuck said he told his mother in 2005 which the Judge brought up as a problem. Can he claim in an amended complaint now that, no, he did not tell his mother in 2005 after all? That would be ridiculous. And IMO even if he had not told his mother in 2005 he would still have the problem of not filing within the 60 days given in PC 9103. Maybe the Judge tells him to make a claim, if he can, about why he could not file within those 60 days for his equitable estoppel argument? Because his arguments made so far for equitable estoppel IMO are wrong. They are twisting the law and twisting Safechuck's own story to say that he could not file within 60 days because of what MJ told him 25 years ago imprisoned him in his mind bla-bla. But that's twisting the meaning of PC 9103. The 60 days in PC 9103 start by definition when the Plaintiff says he finally got freed from such mind prisons, so it does not make sense to claim he could not file within those 60 days because he was still in mind prison. So the only thing I can imagine is the Judge telling him to make a viable claim about why he could not file within those 60 days. And a viable claim for that would be something MJ or the Estate did to him during those 60 days to stop him from filing, which he cannot claim. MJ was dead and the Estate did not even know about him, let alone doing anything to him to not to file.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

12/16/2014 at 08:32 am in Department 51, Mitchell L. Beckloff, Presiding
Hearing on Demurrer ( 2X) - Submitted


Is this Wade too his amended complaint that was to be file on Dec 16th? or just James?

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well i can see the judge is giving James a chance by having him also go back and fix the amended complaint but i do not see how James can fix this his claims do not fit the law and the statute of limitations has ran out. For James to find a claim will be hard to do because there was no reason why he could not file within 60 days nothing was in his way like you mention Michael was gone and the Estate knew nothing about him so that will not work either.


Imo James and Wade are fighting a losing battle because when this judge makes he finale decision there is no way that Wade or James will be able to appeal the judge decision because he would have giving them every chance to to fix they claims.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I wonder what this might do with Wade's case, because Wade obviously wanted more victims to join his own case to try and force a settlement, so what seems to be an almost certain eventual loss of Safechuck to join in with him would seem like a setback for their approach.

I do actually enjoy when people are forced to amend complaints, because it normally always involves having to change their story to try and make it work better, and watching people be so eager to change stories so they can try and force something into court in order to get money, never looks good for them.

Also always shows it's about the money. Wade tried to claim it wasn't about the money, that he just needed to speak his "truth" loud and clear... but if his case gets done like this too, you know he's just gonna be amending his ass off trying to make it work because apparently just filing these things and doing the talkshow route isn't enough.

It's a great sign though, and just like we said would happen - and a great warning sign to anyone else who could try and follow. Your luck is out if you're hoping for $$$$$.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I wonder what this might do with Wade's case, because Wade obviously wanted more victims to join his own case to try and force a settlement, so what seems to be an almost certain eventual loss of Safechuck to join in with him would seem like a setback for their approach.

It would not necessarily mean a loss of Safechuck - only that Safechuck would not be able to file a lawsuit himself. But he still could be used by Wade. I think the Plan B is probably that Safechuck would testify for Robson and if Robson would win money he would get a share of it for his support. (Of course it would not be openly for his support and for testifying but under the disguise of some other deal between them.)

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

How could Robson use Safechuck if WR began to be closer friends to Michael in the early 1990s and Safechuck was last seen publicly in 1994?

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

How could Robson use Safechuck if WR began to be closer friends to Michael in the early 1990s and Safechuck was last seen publicly in 1994?

I did not mean that Safechuck would testify about witnessing anything about Robson. "Just" getting up on the stand claiming he was molested. Obviously Robson could use that to strengthen his case by portraying MJ as a "serial pedophile". His lawyers are already desperate to drag the previous allegations into it to strengthen Robson's case so to me it's a no-brainer they could use Safechuck like that even if Safechuck's lawsuit gets tossed out. Which IMO has been Plan B for Safechuck from the start.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It would not necessarily mean a loss of Safechuck - only that Safechuck would not be able to file a lawsuit himself. But he still could be used by Wade. I think the Plan B is probably that Safechuck would testify for Robson and if Robson would win money he would get a share of it for his support. (Of course it would not be openly for his support and for testifying but under the disguise of some other deal between them.)

But it's a setback because it means other "victims" will be more unlikely to come forwards, as getting money for themselves would be harder and they'd have to deal with getting rejected publicly, which doesn't look good. If Safechuck had just said he didn't want money and understood he couldn't get it, but would testify or support Wade, it would've been different.

And the goal is never a court case, it was for forcing a settlement, but if Safechuck's claim gets tossed out before the first hurdle, then other phony victims will be less likely to want to get involved, as they won't get any of that, and would only possibly be hopeful for wade to give them some kind of pity money if he got a settlement, and I can't see greedy people being eager to share like that.

 

[myosotis]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

But it's a setback because it means other "victims" will be more unlikely to come forwards, as getting money for themselves would be harder and they'd have to deal with getting rejected publicly, which doesn't look good. If Safechuck had just said he didn't want money and understood he couldn't get it, but would testify or support Wade, it would've been different.

And the goal is never a court case, it was for forcing a settlement, but if Safechuck's claim gets tossed out before the first hurdle, then other phony victims will be less likely to want to get involved, as they won't get any of that, and would only possibly be hopeful for wade to give them some kind of pity money if he got a settlement, and I can't see greedy people being eager to share like that.

I guess people are supposed to declare unearned income and it would be likely to be taxed, so even if Wade 'shared' a payout, (which he won't get, I'm sure), then the sharers' would probably not see much of their proceeds.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I guess people are supposed to declare unearned income and it would be likely to be taxed, so even if Wade 'shared' a payout, (which he won't get, I'm sure), then the sharers' would probably not see much of their proceeds.

Although Wade did not name a sum in his lawsuit, but it's worded so that it's clear he is hoping for many, many millions of dollars (compensation for never becoming the"international superstar" he thinks he was destined to be if not for the alleged abuse, puntitive damages for 7 years of abuse including brutal acts of anal rape etc.) If Chandler got a $15 million settlement when alleging a little masturbation for a couple of weeks (and actually they initially sued MJ for $30 million), I guess Wade expects to get even more than that for this alleged "seven years of brutal abuse" and Safechuck too for his alleged "over 100 times of molestation". And many, many millions of dollars are a lot even with some tax deducted and even with sharing some of it with others. Both Robson and Safechuck are in it for the money, make no mistake. Right now it's an open ended check but they are obviously hoping for a lot. If it wasn't the case, if it was only about "their truth" it would have been enough to post an open letter in the NY Times and be done with it. Instead they are making up ridiculous and already contradictory stories just to get around statutes of limitations and be able to file a lawsuit for money.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I guess people are supposed to declare unearned income and it would be likely to be taxed, so even if Wade 'shared' a payout, (which he won't get, I'm sure), then the sharers' would probably not see much of their proceeds.

It's honestly a really big setback.

The money factor is why this happened, why they pursued such blatantly hammed up lawsuits, taking almost a year in one case to even organize the story enough to file it, and Wade/Safechuck really needed loads more people filing, hoping the effect would be massive and terrifying for the estate, who would seemingly in the end most likely prefer to throw money at these people and get their silence than endure all of them running about to the tabloids. That hasn't happened.

So with both lawsuits already requiring amendments, and one almost outright dismissed, it's making it more unlikely any other people will ever come forwards to join him. Not only would they have to deal with trying to make their own story seem reasonable (if they claim Wade released them from their mental prison then that happened 2 years ago already, the estate is nearing 6 years old and almost every other child involved in MJ's life has already been on the record since his death in some way showing they side with him, including Spence's family, so they have to navigate all those bypasses into explaining why it's taken them so long to realize what happened), but they'd know they'd get almost certainly rejected right away so what would be the point, besides hoping for scraps from Wade or the talkshow circuit.

I'm only curious what the amendments will be - Wade has to prove people around MJ knew and were in control of him (will he find that info in all the 2005 court docs), Safechuck has to change pretty much his story from 2005 on. I'm wondering if they'll change it to claim even more dramatic and grotesque things they've suddenly remembered, just to get the tabloids reporting on it again. Any changes are good for us though.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Let me get that straight, amendments are more about finding different legal grounds to support a lawsuit, it doesn't mean they can change their initial claims, right? For example - can he change the timeline?

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Let me get that straight, amendments are more about finding different legal grounds to support a lawsuit, it doesn't mean they can change their initial claims, right? For example - can he change the timeline?

I don't think he can totally change what he has already claimed - that would not be a good look and I don't think the Judge would accept that. So for example, if he claimed he told his mother in 2005 he cannot suddenly claim now that no, he did not. I hope at least that a Judge would not tolerate something like that. I imagine what the Judge can say in this case is something like: "Your current argument for equitable estoppel is not viable and not an acceptable reason for equitable estoppel but I'm giving you another chance to make another argument for why you should be entitled to equitable estoppel." That's the kind of thing I can imagine here.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Let me get that straight, amendments are more about finding different legal grounds to support a lawsuit, it doesn't mean they can change their initial claims, right? For example - can he change the timeline?

The Arvizo's changed their entire timeline in their criminal case, aided and abetted by an actual criminal prosecution.

So I could see that being a possibility.

It would jeopardize their credibility majorly though, and hopefully would be something used against them.

But this isn't about really trying to get it into a court case, I refuse to believe any of them has ever even really considered this properly going to court, this is just about trying to find ways to scare the estate into settling. That's why I can imagine they may include graphic descriptions of things ("he did this and this to me which is why I spent 20+ years in a mental prison") in any new amendment, not for the purposes of the judge, but for the media to report on.

This is Evan Chandler's 1996 lawsuit redux.

 

[dannyboy72]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The Arvizo's changed their entire timeline in their criminal case, aided and abetted by an actual criminal prosecution.

Yeah really. Any other prosecution wouldn't have changed the timeline. The accuser and his family changing their stories would make any objective prosecutor strongly question their allegations..

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The thing is, the Arvizos (Sneddon, actually) changed the timeline before the hearing started and it wasn't an amendment - if I remember correctly. I think this timeline change they did wasn't even entirely legal. But legally speaking, just how drastically you can change your story for the same lawsuits? is there a law?

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This is why we should all be grateful that 95% of the media has no interest. The estate can not be bullied this time. They can't be scared into any settlements, no matter what Robson and Safechuck change their claims to.

 

[myosotis]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This is why we should all be grateful that 95% of the media has no interest. The estate can not be bullied this time. They can't be scared into any settlements, no matter what Robson and Safechuck change their claims to.

But any settlement will always be seen as an admission of guilt by the public (no matter what the legal reasoning) so settlement is a 'worst case' scenario for the Estate, not an option that they could be bullied into, surely? It would just be 'guilt by perceived admission' as opposed to 'guilt by court decision'. If Wade et al thought that this kind of 'blackmail' might work, they are surely hugely mistaken.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

But any settlement will always be seen as an admission of guilt by the public (no matter what the legal reasoning) so settlement is a 'worst case' scenario for the Estate, not an option that they could be bullied into, surely? It would just be 'guilt by perceived admission' as opposed to 'guilt by court decision'. If Wade et al thought that this kind of 'blackmail' might work, they are surely hugely mistaken.

oh no. I agree. I just made that remark bc of the graphic salacious nature of the claims meant to "scare" the estate.
I honestly think even if the press were all over this one, they would fight to the death.
They've all been there before. They know what would happen. Branca and McClain are protecting the legacy-not destroy it.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

But any settlement will always be seen as an admission of guilt by the public (no matter what the legal reasoning) so settlement is a 'worst case' scenario for the Estate, not an option that they could be bullied into, surely? It would just be 'guilt by perceived admission' as opposed to 'guilt by court decision'. If Wade et al thought that this kind of 'blackmail' might work, they are surely hugely mistaken.

This is what happen to Michael when the media put that out there that Michael settled with the family it was all over the world had they minds made up already that Michael Jackson was guilty he came out with a statement that he did not do this did the ppls believer him no. I agree settlement is the worst thing you can do because 9 times out of 10 the ppls will say you are guilty forget about the facts that does not matter. I may not be a lawyer but imo Michael got some bad advice that was not handle right Michael did not want to settle but his lawyers told him it was the right thing to do. It a sad world we live in so quick to judge a person without even know the facts

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I do not know how Wade or James will be able to fix they claim thr judge imo has made it very clear your claims do no fix the laws go back and redo it i just do not see how they can.

Did i miss something here? Is Wade still going to try and use the old allegations or is he going to try to use James? like it was mention to support his case? I know the judge told Wade that the old allegations had nothing to do with his case.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

No. You didn't miss anything. We're still waiting on the amendments.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Good.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's honestly a really big setback.

The money factor is why this happened, why they pursued such blatantly hammed up lawsuits, taking almost a year in one case to even organize the story enough to file it, and Wade/Safechuck really needed loads more people filing, hoping the effect would be massive and terrifying for the estate, who would seemingly in the end most likely prefer to throw money at these people and get their silence than endure all of them running about to the tabloids. That hasn't happened.

So with both lawsuits already requiring amendments, and one almost outright dismissed, it's making it more unlikely any other people will ever come forwards to join him. Not only would they have to deal with trying to make their own story seem reasonable (if they claim Wade released them from their mental prison then that happened 2 years ago already, the estate is nearing 6 years old and almost every other child involved in MJ's life has already been on the record since his death in some way showing they side with him, including Spence's family, so they have to navigate all those bypasses into explaining why it's taken them so long to realize what happened), but they'd know they'd get almost certainly rejected right away so what would be the point, besides hoping for scraps from Wade or the talkshow circuit.

I'm only curious what the amendments will be - Wade has to prove people around MJ knew and were in control of him (will he find that info in all the 2005 court docs), Safechuck has to change pretty much his story from 2005 on. I'm wondering if they'll change it to claim even more dramatic and grotesque things they've suddenly remembered, just to get the tabloids reporting on it again. Any changes are good for us though.

I agree with your post nobody has came forward yet and i really do not see this happening so Wade is at a dead in. I do not really think they have anything to feed the TB at this point these cases are slowly dying down. I do not see how Wade or James can fix they amended complaint James really does not have anything sense he can't file a lawsuit.

They were really hoping that the Estate would settle but that backfire on them the Estate said no settlement imo that messy up they whole plan it was all about the money that why we are getting all these lies now they really do not have a case it just a waste of time.


I agree for James to change his story now would not look good i too agree that the judge might not buy this and as for his equitable estopped he has no reason why he could not file within the 60 days there was nothing in his way to stop him from filing.

 

[mjjmsc]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

A setlement should never happen, that would be the biggest mistake the Estate could do because then they will pay money to all kind of liers until the end of time! So they should just take the time and win and finish this once and for all!

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I agree 100%.

 

[Hess]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

No wat are the estate gonna pay this stupid f........!!!

They need to take it to court - and counter sue him !!!

That's the only way future allegations can be stopped !!

This madness is enough already! - I really hope the estate will do everything they can to vindicate and clear MJ 100 % !!!

Also it should be made clear that stupid future allegations will be expensive for the idiots who accuses MJ for all kind of stupid stuff !!!

 

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I agree the estate need to stop these allegations somehow

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I really don't see how these amended complaints can be fix with saying that i pray that the judge will make that finale decision and dismiss these claims.