[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[ivy]

Finally confirmed

Man alleging sexual abuse gets second chance at Michael Jackson’s estate
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A judge is giving lawyers for a man who alleges he was sexually abused as a child by Michael Jackson more time to show why their client should be allowed to file a late claim against the singer’s estate.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff ruled Dec. 30 that he would allow an amended complaint to be filed on behalf of James Safechuck that further explains how Jackson’s actions allegedly misled the plaintiff to a point where he was unable to immediately understand what was happening to him.

Beckloff heard arguments from attorneys Dec. 16 and took the issues under submission. He gave Safechuck’s lawyers three weeks to file the revised lawsuit.

Safechuck did not file his petition for a late claim against the Jackson estate until August. Attorneys for the estate maintain Safechuck had 60 days to file the claim after he began to understand what allegedly happened to him after seeing a May 2013 television interview with Wayne Robson, who also claims he was sexually abused by Jackson as a child.

Safechuck’s attorneys maintain he did not fully comprehend what happened until he underwent counseling and therefore is not bound by the 60-day statute.

Safechuck, 36, alleges he was abused by the King of Pop after the two appeared together in a late-1980s Pepsi commercial, when Safechuck was 10.

“(Jackson) engaged in a calculated course of conduct to lure both (Safechuck) and his parents into a false sense of security and normalcy that was far from reality,” Safechuck’s attorneys allege in the court papers.

They claim Jackson “was successful in his efforts to the point that (Safechuck) endured repeated acts of sexual abuse of a heinous nature and was brainwashed by the decedent into believing they were acts of love and instigated by James himself rather than the decedent.”

Safechuck alleges the pop star molested him about 100 times for four years until he reached puberty.

Last year, the 31-year-old Robson, an Australian former-choreographer, also filed a petition for a late claim against the estate, alleging Jackson sexually abused him at a young age.

According to Safechuck’s attorneys’ court papers, their client was able to gain “insight” from Robson’s claim and then obtained psychiatric help that has allowed him to come forward with details of the “loathsome nature of his childhood sexual relationship with (Jackson), the effects of which he has buried for decades.”

Jackson died June 25, 2009, at age 50 of acute propofol intoxication.

— City News Service

http://mynewsla.com/hollywood/2015/...e-gets-second-chance-michael-jacksons-estate/

 

[HIStory]

We did not learn a lot more from this article.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff ruled Dec. 30 that he would allow an amended complaint to be filed on behalf of James Safechuck that further explains how Jackson’s actions allegedly misled the plaintiff to a point where he was unable to immediately understand what was happening to him.

I wonder on what basis he gets another chance or is it just because of this Judge's habit of giving second chances.

Safechuck’s attorneys maintain he did not fully comprehend what happened until he underwent counseling and therefore is not bound by the 60-day statute.

I really hope the Estate lawyers do not miss the logical fallacy in this argument and hammer it home. The 60 days given in PC 9103 is by definition STARTS when the plaintiff says he understood what happened. So a Plaintiff by definition cannot miss it because he did not understand abuse until later. He says he went into therapy and understood abuse/injury in May 2013. He filed a year later, missing the 60 days given in PC 9103. End of story.

They argue for equitable estoppel but for that to work they should show that something was done to him by the defendants which stopped him from filing withing those 60 days of AFTER already realizing alleged abuse/injury. He has to claim something like the Estate misleading him about his legal opportunities or alternatively MJ's spirit coming back, haunting him and scaring him away from filing. I'm being sarcastic, of course, but he has to claim something MJ or the Estate doing to him to stop him from filing within those 60 days and I doubt he can claim any such thing. But maybe the Judge just wants to give him this chance to claim something about that if he can.

 

[ivy]

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^^

not just this judge. US law is very liberal in regards to amendments and even some legal experts believe it means almost every case (minus the obviously frivolous ones) needs to be given at least a second chance.

 

[myosotis]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Who is Wayne Robson??? (Para 4) !!!!!

I guess the 3 weeks are up today?

 

[myosotis]

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Double post - apologies

 

[HIStory]

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Who is Wayne Robson??? (Para 4) !!!!!

Obviously a typo.

 

[myosotis]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Obviously a typo.

or poor journalism, I thought ....
(The least a court reporter should do is get the names right...)

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

His lawyer's recognize the problems with his case as they had almost a year to file it and this was the seeming best version they had to offer, so I can't see how they could come up with anything more convincing in a new amendment.

And Wade's one differs only on the point of claiming he had no idea the estate existed until he spoke to his lawyers, and so the judge has to believe that to make it work. And that's a really hard thing to believe.

Besides that tactic, Wade's delaying by claiming that the 2005 court docs hold proof of what he needs to claim in order to claim it... so now he has the docs, he has to try and come up with how they mean he couldn't realize he was abused until 2013.

 

[HIStory]

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or poor journalism, I thought ....
(The least a court reporter should do is get the names right...)

They could call him F*ck Robson or S*it Robson for all I care. (Sorry, but I'm really disgusted by him.)

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

One thing we learned is that judge gave him 3 weeks. Decision was December 30 so the 3 weeks would be around January 20-21 (assuming it's regular 3 weeks and not court days). We'll see if anything shows up in the case summary.

 

[myosotis]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

They could call him F*ck Robson or S*it Robson for all I care. (Sorry, but I'm really disgusted by him.)

I'm waiting for him to be shown up as the liar and 'shakedown' artist that he is. I hope his reputation then sticks to his (real) name like glue.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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i wanna be a fly on their lawfirm offices' wall just to know what other ludicrous moves they think they have - with both cases.

 

[barbee0715]

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Who is Wayne Robson??? (Para 4) !!!!!

Poor Wade-he's probably reading this and thinking they would have spelled his name right, had only he become the "international superstar" he was intended to be.:hysterical:




(This whole thing has made me so crazy-depressed-angry-infuriated-that I have to try to laugh at something-anything).

 

[mjsdangerousgurl]

Finally confirmed


Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff ruled Dec. 30 that he would allow an amended complaint to be filed on behalf of James Safechuck that further explains how Jackson’s actions allegedly misled the plaintiff to a point where he was unable to immediately understand what was happening to him.

Beckloff heard arguments from attorneys Dec. 16 and took the issues under submission. He gave Safechuck’s lawyers three weeks to file the revised lawsuit.


http://mynewsla.com/hollywood/2015/...e-gets-second-chance-michael-jacksons-estate/

Okay, so to my understanding, this must refer to the judge's decision to sustain the demurrer with leave, as he did on the 30th. I'm also aware that it is very typical for judges to give a second chance to amend. However, I was wondering, Is 3 weeks a typical timeframe that judges give to amend a complaint like in this case? I would imagine it really is case-by-case, but I'm uncertain about what is considered what is a long amount of time given to amend vs a short amount and legal guidelines concerning that (?)

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^
I'm not sure if there are guidelines about time to amend. I have seen 10 days (court days) aka 2 weeks. Given his decision came right before new years eve he could have accounted for that as well. This judge also previously determined deadlines based on ongoing stuff. He gave Robson quite sometime for his amended complaint as the parties were arguing about other motions.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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Who is Wayne Robson??? (Para 4) !!!!!

Clearly a reference to wade's evil twin brother who's kidnapped wade, mj's friend and longtime defender, assumed his identity and launched molestation claims against mj. Let's face it, it's a more convincing explanation for the past 1 and 1/2 years than talk of mind prisons, spielberg prophesies, and this 'unwillingness and inability to acknowledge and understand' stuff that should be blindingly obvious to any sentient human being.

 

[HIStory]

Clearly a reference to wade's evil twin brother who's kidnapped wade, mj's friend and longtime defender, assumed his identity and launched molestation claims against mj. Let's face it, it's a more convincing explanation for the past 1 and 1/2 years than talk of mind prisons, spielberg prophesies, and this 'unwillingness and inability to acknowledge and understand' stuff that should be blindingly obvious to any sentient human being.

Especially now that Wade stated that his past is irrelevant to his new self.

Wade Robson
Yesterday at 12:42pm ·
The following quote played a role in helping me to step out of my previous version of life that had become irrelevant to me.
“We can’t solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used in creating them.”
Albert Einstein

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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^ I don't see how this quote relevant to someone who claims to be a victim (victims don't "create" their problems), but ok.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ I don't see how this quote relevant to someone who claims to be a victim (victims don't "create" their problems), but ok.

Yes, I agree, it's odd. "Previous version of life", "become irrelevant" - certainly some odd terms there.

I can understand if an abuse victim would say that he does not want to remember the horrible stuff, the abuse, but that's not to say "that version of my life is now irrelevant". I have never heard anyone deal with sexual abuse that way. Why would you deem your whole "previous version of life" irrelevant? Everything in your life and career? It's not like MJ was a constant presence in it. IMO it shows what it's really about to him - and that is not sexual abuse, but a whole different issue which has more to do with his mental illness and the so called "Spielberg prophecy" of MJ than the fictional sexual abuse Wade made up. IMO that "previous version of life" to him was to chase MJ's prophecies but when he failed to achieve those big goals - partly because of his mental illness, partly because he does not have that kind of talent - he started to blame and hate MJ for it which is a part of why he turned on him. His disappointment in not being to able to achieve the goals prophecized to him by MJ resulted in an extreme overreaction by a sick, unhealthy mind - a complete turnaround on everything linking him to his "previous life" and that includes a complete turnaround on MJ.

The whole thing oozes a sick, unhealthy way of dealing with mental issues. And after he was able to do that turnaround on MJ he now has no qualms about making up lies about him. And of course that fiction is also benefitial to him because he could sue no one for money for a failed prophecy or for his own hereditary mental illness.

 

[MJresearcher]

Wade Robson
Yesterday at 12:42pm ·
The following quote played a role in helping me to step out of my previous version of life that had become irrelevant to me.
“We can’t solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used in creating them.”
Albert Einstein

This is one of the strangest things I've seen him say. It doesn't make any sense, no part of your life can become "irrelevant" to you. This is a ridiculous statement to make and it appears to show more of how mentally confused and unstable he seems to be. He seems to be getting himself into some crazy cult-like ways of thinking, I don't think any of it will end well for him.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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Robson truly lost his mind but Michael has nothing to with it. He's dealing with his frustrations and failures in a very unhealthy way putting the blame on the wrong person when it's all on himself.

 

[SkysTheLimit]

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He's really gone off the deep end. I keep saying this but i really hope the judge will see how ridiculous this whole thing is, and dismiss it.

@Snow White IA.

 

[barbee0715]

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I don't think any of it will end well for him.

Well, I can only hope you are right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He seems to be getting himself into some crazy cult-like ways of thinking, I don't think any of it will end well for him.

He is into New Age stuff and he certainly has said some odd things. I remember that post he made a couple of months ago that he then quickly deleted. It was some New Age crap about "forging meaning" for your life and "building identity" but then he quickly deleted it, which I found interesting. I would not be surprised if he is into stuff that says objective reality does not matter, only what you construct in your mind as "reality" for yourself matters. He certainly sounds like that with these remarks about "previous versions" of his life that one can simply render irrelevant and "building identity". As if you have several versions of your life from that you can choose from. Certainly an interesting term to use.

ETA: We discussed that "forging meaning" thing here. Here it is: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...tate/page434?p=4019544&viewfull=1#post4019544

@MJlovesyoumore wrote at the time:

Another thing... Wade posted a link to this on his FB earlier with the words "Forge meaning. Build identity. And then invite the world to share your joy." and then soon deleted it.

And the article at the link he gave says things like:

But over time, I've come to feel that the truth is irrelevant. We call it finding meaning, but we might better call it forging meaning.

http://www.ted.com/talks/andrew_sol...ts_in_our_lives_make_us_who_we_are/transcript

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

These things may seem like little things that don't mean much, but to me they're so telling.

Remember this is a man who says he needed to confront "his truth" and tell it to the world in order to heal, that he'd spent 20 years "compartmentalizing" his life in order to suppress what the abuse did to him.

But now he keeps saying things which make it sound like he has a choice in all of this, and that he can just cut out his "past life" and become some new person... that's not how dealing with real abuse works. He's basically acting like you can avoid your real issues by just running away and claiming to be a new person. Which is supposedly the big problem he had for 20 years.

I really do believe he's got manic depression and all of this is a symptom of it, and the more he uses stupid things like this to try and avoid his real issues, the more problems he's working up for himself in the long run.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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Not to mention this is funny coming from a person who's in the middle of a lawsuit, his so called previous version is relevant enough for him to try too hard to make profit of it.

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He is into New Age stuff and he certainly has said some odd things. I remember that post he made a couple of months ago that he then quickly deleted. It was some New Age crap about "forging meaning" for your life and "building identity" but then he quickly deleted it, which I found interesting. I would not be surprised if he is into stuff that says objective reality does not matter, only what you construct in your mind as "reality" for yourself matters. He certainly sounds like that with these remarks about "previous versions" of his life that one can simply render irrelevant and "building identity". As if you have several versions of your life from that you can choose from. Certainly an interesting term to use.

ETA: We discussed that "forging meaning" thing here. Here it is: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...tate/page434?p=4019544&viewfull=1#post4019544

@MJlovesyoumore wrote at the time:



And the article at the link he gave says things like:



http://www.ted.com/talks/andrew_sol...ts_in_our_lives_make_us_who_we_are/transcript

I remember that, I wonder why he deleted it? It all sounds nuts to me but I'm pretty sure Wade is right off his tree and he's more full of crap than a sewage farm.

 

[#MJforever57]

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These things may seem like little things that don't mean much, but to me they're so telling.

Remember this is a man who says he needed to confront "his truth" and tell it to the world in order to heal, that he'd spent 20 years "compartmentalizing" his life in order to suppress what the abuse did to him.

But now he keeps saying things which make it sound like he has a choice in all of this, and that he can just cut out his "past life" and become some new person... that's not how dealing with real abuse works. He's basically acting like you can avoid your real issues by just running away and claiming to be a new person. Which is supposedly the big problem he had for 20 years.

I really do believe he's got manic depression and all of this is a symptom of it, and the more he uses stupid things like this to try and avoid his real issues, the more problems he's working up for himself in the long run.

This explain it Wade is using Michael to get around his problems things have not been that great in Wade life and to blame Michael for you down fall is wrong. In the bold i agree with you that is what he said and to add to that this is the same man who got on the stand in 2005 and said he was never sexual abuse by Michael.

This is the world we live in when things go wrong we always want to blame somebody else instead of taking the blame ourselves i just do not understand it and running away from the problems will not solve them.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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I really wonder if Michael haven't passed, that piece of shit would dare to stab him in the back and tell him in his face all those 20 years of friendship, the praises and defending him twice in a public court were a "lie" and Michael "abused" him. I want to think he wouldn't have the balls because even Michael haters would think it's odd, suspicious he spent 20 years defending and praising him when he could've done the opposite of what he did in the 2005 trial.

 

[barbee0715]

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I really wonder if Michael haven't passed, that piece of shit would dare to stab him in the back and tell him in his face all those 20 years of friendship, the praises and defending him twice in a public court were a "lie" and Michael "abused" him. I want to think he wouldn't have the balls because even Michael haters would think it's odd, suspicious he spent 20 years defending and praising him when he could've done the opposite of what he did in the 2005 trial.

I would think even Michael haters would be thinking it NOW ANYWAY, in light of how many hours and hours of video that's out there of Wade waxing rhapsodic about how wonderful Michael is-as a friend, as a mentor, as the most valuable influence in his life-it's in video and written form most of his life.