[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Why are there 2 motions. One for Robson and one for Safechuck. ?

APRIL for a status ??!!!!!

 

[HIStory]

Why are there 2 motions. One for Robson and one for Safechuck. ?

No. It's both about the Robson case. One was submitted in January, the other a month later. I guess the Estate needed more time.

This is what I found about status conference:

Judges use pre-trial conferences with lawyers for many purposes. One type of conference gaining popularity is the status conference (sometimes called the early conference). This conference—held after all initial pleadings have been filed—helps the judge manage the case. Judges use it to establish a time frame for concluding all pre-trial activities and may set a tentative trial date at this time.

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/p...work/how_courts_work/pretrial_conference.html

A meeting of the judge and the lawyers (or unrepresented parties) in a pending legal matter, to determine how the case is progressing. At the status conference, the judge may ask about what discovery has been conducted, whether and how the parties have tried to settle the case, and other pretrial matters. The judge may also schedule dates for pretrial motions, completion of discovery, and trial. Often, court rules require the parties to file paperwork before the conference answering questions about the issues to be discussed at the conference.

http://www.nolo.com/dictionary/status-conference-term.html

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thank you very much for all the info respect77, it's very much appreciated. I really need to get Redemption, I haven't read it yet. I've seen it referenced a lot so I've seen excerpts but that's it. Having someone like her write about what was happening is very valuable.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Fact? LOL. Go here: http://www.lacourt.org/

Click on "access your case". Type BC508502 (case number for Robson case). To me it shows up.

That's new. It didn't show it before.

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The good thing about that is that it's available to people outside the US, I took a screenshot and sent it to Jordan. I like his radio show but I think he relies on what he's told rather than looking into things for himself. I've looked up cases on that site before when I've had the case numbers, it's really good.

 

[Gold Pants Girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Jordan doesn't know very much about MJ, and especially the cases, he just goes on what other people tell him and want him to ask in interviews.

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thank you MJresearcher, for sending it to him. Hopefully he understands, although the one who really needs to see that is Tom.

Jordan might ask him about it or he may have already found out about it another way. Time will tell I guess. Will be interesting to see what happens the next time Tom is on Jordan's show.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That's new. It didn't show it before.

Could have been a technical issue.

In any case, as we talked about it before, it just did not make sense to jump to the conclusion that the case have been settled. That would not make the case disappear from the system, just there would be notes pointing to a settlement.

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That's new. It didn't show it before.

I agree, I have Wade's case number saved and sometimes I accidentally insert it when looking info regarding other cases and it always have given me no results?

@Respect, I haven't been able to see the case all since it started, meaning nearly a 2 years, so I don't think it is technical issue. Were you able to access that case at any time in last 2 years?




Somebody should send this to TMezz
Documents Filed (Filing dates listed in descending order)
02/11/2015 Stipulation and Order (extending time to respond )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

This is what estate lawyers did a week ago. It doesn't look like settlement talk to me

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I agree, I have Wade's case number saved and sometimes I accidentally insert it when looking info regarding other cases and it always have given me no results?

@Respect, I haven't been able to see the case all since it started, meaning nearly a 2 years, so I don't think it is technical issue. Were you able to access that case at any time in last 2 years?

I usually accessed the BP117321 number, ie. the Probate Court proceedings. I think the Robson case (BC508502) did not show up before, but I am not 100% sure. I haven't tried to access it for a while.

When I type in Safechuck's case number (BC545264) it says:

Case Summary
No match found for case number BC545264.

Maybe that was the situation with the Robson case before too?

Anyway, hopefully this will not start nonsense that it means the Estate settled with Safechuck, because that is obviously not the case. (Why would they when the last action in this case was that the Estate's demurrer was upheld by the Court and Safechuck needed to submit an amended complaint.) I think maybe they just do not upload everything in the online system. Maybe they uploaded the Robson case now because they got questions and requests from fans in the last week or so since Mez's interview? Who knows?

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If you type in the case number BP117321 you can see that both Wade and Safechuck are still listed as claimants:

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

@Respect
I always got the following when I tried to access Wade's case, except now
Case Summary
No match found for case number BC508502

and cannot see Safejunk's case either.
Case Summary
No match found for case number BC545264.

If you type in the case number BP117321 you can see that both Wade and Safechuck are still listed as claimants:

They are never going to be removed from the list, even after their case is finished.
If you check all the names in the parties list, most of those cases has been sorted out ages ago.

 

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If you type in the case number BP117321 you can see that both Wade and Safechuck are still listed as claimants:

Umm What does Debbie got to.do with this? :scratchead:

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Umm What does Debbie got to.do with this? :scratchead:

Nothing.
MJResearcher took screen cap of the listed names on BP117321 case and all the names are listed in alphabetical order, so DR is between Robson and Safejunk.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I usually accessed the BP117321 number, ie. the Probate Court proceedings. I think the Robson case (BC508502) did not show up before, but I am not 100% sure. I haven't tried to access it for a while.

When I type in Safechuck's case number (BC545264) it says:



Maybe that was the situation with the Robson case before too?

yes it was the situation with Robson case before. but as Bubs said it has been like that since the start. So I'm guessing they made it available after questions / calls.

Anyway, hopefully this will not start nonsense that it means the Estate settled with Safechuck, because that is obviously not the case. [/QUOTE]

safechuck's civil case isn't active though. he only sued mj / mj estate and his civil case would only become active if his late probate claim is allowed. Robson's civil is ongoing seperately from the probate case as in his civil case he sued the companies.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So let me get this right so it was the Estate needing more time to rely to Wade amended complaint? and Wade did file on Dec 16 is this also right? Now the amended complaint was Wade needed to show proof that somebody in MJ companies knew or was aware this was going on and did nothing about it so does this mean Wade has fix this and that is why the Estate need need more time to rely to this?


Do we know what Wade file on Dec 16 in his amended compliant?

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ I don't claim to know, but third party could mean anyone who worked for the company, if he gave names (as requested?) maybe they need time to talk to these people?

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ I don't claim to know, but third party could mean anyone who worked for the company, if he gave names (as requested?) maybe they need time to talk to these people?

You could be right he had to find somebody who knew.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm sure if and when Ivy will have his amended complaint she will post it as usual. Until then I don't think we should make up all kind of scenarios and speculations about what it may or may not contain or why the Estate requested the extension. There could be a million reasons.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm sure if and when Ivy will have his amended complaint she will post it as usual. Until then I don't think we should make up all kind of scenarios and speculations about what it may or may not contain or why the Estate requested the extension. There could be a million reasons.

Amended complaint is not in the system. Neither is the extension stipulation. The last document is from 11/6.

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

yes it was the situation with Robson case before. but as Bubs said it has been like that since the start. So I'm guessing they made it available after questions / calls.

Few questions about this
06/13/2013 at 01:30 pm in Department 92, Amy D. Hogue, Presiding
Motion Hearing (TO FILE COMPLAINT UNDER SEAL - Vacated

and later

11/06/2014 at 08:30 am in Department 51, Mitchell L. Beckloff, Presiding
Motion for Protective Order - Granted in Part
10/28/2014 at 08:30 am in Department 51, Mitchell L. Beckloff, Presiding
Motion for Protective Order - Matter continued

Do I have it right that Robson filed this case under the seal, which meant that it wasn't available to view as we couldn't see it, but later there was a Motion for Protective order which was granted only in part, so is that the reason this case is viewable now?

Another thing, why there is two judges Amy D. Hogue and Mitchell L. Beckloff in this case?

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He filed his complaint under seal initially but by June 28, 2013 we had it - that is the date I saved that doc on my computer. So those 2014 protective orders must be about something else.

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Ok, thanks

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm sure if and when Ivy will have his amended complaint she will post it as usual. Until then I don't think we should make up all kind of scenarios and speculations about what it may or may not contain or why the Estate requested the extension. There could be a million reasons.

You are right we should not guess just have to wait and see.

Amended complaint is not in the system. Neither is the extension stipulation. The last document is from 11/6.

Thanks

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Few questions about this
06/13/2013 at 01:30 pm in Department 92, Amy D. Hogue, Presiding
Motion Hearing (TO FILE COMPLAINT UNDER SEAL - Vacated

and later

11/06/2014 at 08:30 am in Department 51, Mitchell L. Beckloff, Presiding
Motion for Protective Order - Granted in Part
10/28/2014 at 08:30 am in Department 51, Mitchell L. Beckloff, Presiding
Motion for Protective Order - Matter continued

Do I have it right that Robson filed this case under the seal, which meant that it wasn't available to view as we couldn't see it, but later there was a Motion for Protective order which was granted only in part, so is that the reason this case is viewable now?

Another thing, why there is two judges Amy D. Hogue and Mitchell L. Beckloff in this case?

He filed his complaint under seal initially but by June 28, 2013 we had it - that is the date I saved that doc on my computer. So those 2014 protective orders must be about something else.

I can provide a little more detail

6/27/2013 COMPLAINT FOR CHILDHOOD SEXUAL ABUSE [CALIFORNIA CODE OF CIVIL PROCEDURE SECTION 340.1]
6/24/2013 PLAINTIFF WADE ROBSON'S NOTICE OF PROPOSED REDACTIONS, ETC.
5/31/2013 NOTICE OF RELATED CASE
5/10/2013 PLAINTIFF WADE ROBSON?S NOTICE OF FILING UNDER SEAL

So it was initially filed under seal, then redaction were done and it showed in the system.

Most of the time protective order is about discovery and what is considered as confidential and not.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

finally a document showed in the system (It's the 02/11/2015 Stipulation and Order (extending time to respond )document)

Safechuck got 30 day extension to file his second amended complaint.

Robson served his amended complaint on Dec 16. Estate got 21 + 28 day extension.

 

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Nothing.
MJResearcher took screen cap of the listed names on BP117321 case and all the names are listed in alphabetical order, so DR is between Robson and Safejunk.

Ok I still don't get it lol

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Ok I still don't get it lol

BP117321 is the probate case and it lists anyone and everyone that had anything to do with MJ Estate. Debbie Rowe was involved in the custody matters so that's why her name is listed. and alphabetically it falls between Robson and Safechuck.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That's just ridiculous to read: THIRD Amended complaints.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That's just ridiculous to read: THIRD Amended complaints.

that amendments were just naming the defendants. he initially filed it as "doe1, doe2" etc and later on named them as MJJ ventures and mjj productions.

in other words

first complaint against Doe1, Doe2, Doe3 and so on
Second amended complaint with naming the doe defendants as MJJ ventures and MJJ Productions
Estate's demurrer
Sustained with leave to amend
and now Third amended complaint.