[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[SarahJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think he's also carrying one heavy duty grudge against the estate. The timing was a little too coincidental with MJ One opening.

 

[passy001]

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This action by Robson is just an extreme grudge exercise. and that's all there is to it.

Robson feels under-appreciated (no monetary rewards) for being MJ supporter all his life. When he was rejected for the cirque du soleil gig, that's where the straw broke the camel's back.

It's the same pattern with other false accusers: Revenge for money.

 

[CaptainEoLove85]

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That insight oriented therapy sounds very controversial, and you'd think it would do more harm than good. I'm surprised if that is a legitimate form of therapy. I would definitely say WR is just using it to his advantage. Whatever mental illness he has, and I'm sure he probably does, it doesn't excuse his actions. And I'm convinced money is really the only driving factor.

 

[HIStory]

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Isn't there some kind of regulation to band the practice of fraudulent/questionable treatments?

I think especially in the field of psychiatry it is very difficult to prove if a treatment or practice is "fraudulent" or otherwise wrong. For example memory-recovering therapies were widely practiced and popular at a time and they resulted in a lot of claims and lawsuits by adults who claimed to suddenly have remembered childhood sexual abuse by their parents or others. This was especially at its hight around the early 90s. Then there were experts challenging the validity of such recovered memories and I think, although there is a growing scepticism towards recovered memory practices, but there are still people who firmly believe that such memories are correct and true at all times and there are still many therapists practicing it.

In fact, even the law gives repressed memory a special status. Hence all these laws that we talked about in this thread which allow a plaintiff to have extended statutes of limitations if he claims that he only recently discovered that he had allegedly been abused as a child or he recently discovered that psyhological problems he has are a result of that alleged abuse.

Although Wade was adamant that this is not a case of repressed/recovered memory, but when I look into what insight-oriented therapy is I can understand the initial confusion by TMZ and others:

Unconscious mental life is a core assumption in insight-oriented therapy. This means that there is a belief that your problems, symptoms, and general discomforts are rooted in, or caused by, something that is occurring inside you, but about which you do not yet know. The primary method of therapy becomes making the unconscious conscious. In this manner you become free of the heretofore unknown blockages that prevent you from your best level of functioning.

Some people are uncomfortable with the idea of unconscious mental life. The initial primary task of the therapy, however, is to illustrate that unconscious mental life exists inside of you, examine the evidence of it, and find ways to use your increased conscious knowledge of it for the betterment of your life. While the methods and techniques of the therapy can become quite complicated, it is mostly (but not solely) the therapist's job to worry about and handle these complications. Everything that happens in the therapy springs directly from the concepts discussed here.

http://drs-oleary.com/Insight-Oriented.htm

That paper I linked in earlier is critical of insight-oriented therapy but just like for everything in psychiatry there are also strong proponents of it and I think probably there are a whole lot of situations where it works and where it indeed is good. Just like there are genuine cases of repressed memory as well, despite of the many cases were memories are planted or are a result of self-delusion. So that's why it's difficult.

I read an interesting sentence on the Wikipedia page for insight-oriented therapy:

As insight-oriented psychotherapy is a client-centered therapy, it is assumed that the client is healthy and their problem is a result of faulty-thinking.[SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][5][/SUP]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insight-oriented_psychotherapy

But what if the client is not healthy, as it is the case clearly with Wade considering his family history with mental illness...?

ETA: Also...

Insight-oriented psychotherapy is also used often and in conjunction with medication for treating depression. However, it is less suited for the afflicted individual who is especially emotional/sensitive, has little self-awareness, and is dealing with a major life problem.[SUP][23][/SUP]

 

[myosotis]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Insight-oriented psychotherapy is also used often and in conjunction with medication for treating depression. However, it is less suited for the afflicted individual who is especially emotional/sensitive, has little self-awareness, and is dealing with a major life problem.

I'd say the whole of the last sentence applies to someone who is looking to blame an external cause for any problems they have in life ie Wade. All the better if the 'external cause' can potentially be sued, as not only do they (aim to) achieve financial compensation but they also achieve recognition and confirmation (potentially worldwide in Wade's case) that their problems are not their fault. Sounds like powerful 'medicine' to me. 'Poor Wade'.

 

[barbee0715]

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This action by Robson is just an extreme grudge exercise. and that's all there is to it.

Robson feels under-appreciated (no monetary rewards) for being MJ supporter all his life. When he was rejected for the cirque du soleil gig, that's where the straw broke the camel's back.

It's the same pattern with other false accusers: Revenge for money.

And there you have it in a nutshell, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you very much.

 

[#MJforever57]

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How can ppls blame others for what go on wrong in they lives i just do not get it. What part of the blame do they take? What every Wade is trying to do it will not help his case imo. I hope the judge will see that there is no proof to these allegations that it is all lies.

Like it was mention i am so glad that not one news station has report this i believe ppls are tried of it and it is clear to see it all about the money. Wade should of took care of this when Michael was alive.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This action by Robson is just an extreme grudge exercise. and that's all there is to it.

Robson feels under-appreciated (no monetary rewards) for being MJ supporter all his life. When he was rejected for the cirque du soleil gig, that's where the straw broke the camel's back.

It's the same pattern with other false accusers: Revenge for money.

And there you have it in a nutshell, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you very much.

That all it is i agree also.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't know if I believe it's a case of false memories, like he actually believes his claims are true. There's something about the timing, the nature of some of the claims and his body language in his interview... I don't get that 'vibe' from him. It's just trying too hard. Of course, that's just a hunch. There's a chance that on some level he's trying to convince himself that this is the reason for his illness. After all he's not exactly a healthy person, so everything is possible.

 

[rsggamer123]

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What completely got me was the interview he did on the today show. If you look at his body language (simply mute the whole thing) he doesn't show any signs of disgust or hatred towards mj whatsoever.

 

[dannyboy72]

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^yeah I agree. What really got me is how he supposedly feels compassion for a man who he says he would kill if he ever did to his son what he did to him.

 

[MJresearcher]

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He's full of contradictions. Also, I found a picture of Wade's lawsuit. It tries to hold water, but it just doesn't.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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This action by Robson is just an extreme grudge exercise. and that's all there is to it.

Robson feels under-appreciated (no monetary rewards) for being MJ supporter all his life. When he was rejected for the cirque du soleil gig, that's where the straw broke the camel's back.

What evidence is there that he was rejected for the cirque job? All i've read is that the estate have said wade left his role as his son was sick. Why would the estate claim this if they could suggest that a firing from one of their projects could have prompted this so called grudge?

 

[HIStory]

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^ I wonder if it really was his son who got sick or rather he had a bad period due to his mental illness. Probably the latter. I can only see someone leaving a job due to his kid's illness if it's a serious illness, but his son looks to be healthy, with no major health issues that would have to make Wade leave jobs.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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^^Wasn't he even eligible for that Cirque Du Soleil job or am I missing something?

 

[ivy]

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All i've read is that the estate have said wade left his role as his son was sick.

^ I wonder if it really was his son who got sick or rather he had a bad period due to his mental illness. Probably the latter. I can only see someone leaving a job due to his kid's illness if it's a serious illness, but his son looks to be healthy, with no major health issues that would have to make Wade leave jobs.

there was a rumor / claim that his son has autism. It's been never confirmed though.

 

[HIStory]

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there was a rumor / claim that his son has autism. It's been never confirmed though.

Yes, I know, but I think that rumour came from the fact that Wade used to support an autism group on his FB or something like that. It was more like just fans speculating based on that fact. Not exactly strong evidence.

 

[#MJforever57]

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He's full of contradictions. Also, I found a picture of Wade's lawsuit. It tries to hold water, but it just doesn't.

Look like we have a leak.

 

[#MJforever57]

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It not good to hold a grudge against a person end the end it will get you.

 

[metermaid]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It not good to hold a grudge against a person end the end it will get you.

none of this will end well for him. this will surely get tossed but i am sure he will attempt to find another way to make money off of it.

 

[analogue]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If this case get's tossed I can still see Wade doing the media rounds and giving interviews. I also wouldn't be surprised if he writes a book. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if he's working on writing a book right now

 

[MJresearcher]

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Wouldn't surprise me either, but if he does it could be yet another way for us to pick him up on things he's lied about. The more people spin a story, the more they have to remember and sooner or later they trip over their own words. It's already happened and if he writes a book my guess is that he would slip up even more.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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a book about being molested is a cheap shot whether you're a real victim or not. I don't think there will be much of interest in such a book especially when it's outlashing a dead man. I know the media are cruel and heartless towards Michael but they seem to love to keep this privilege to themselves. He could have got much more interest and money with a pro Michael Jackson book. You know, like Cascio's. At least then you have MJ's fandom on your support, and it's a pretty big one. Despite the MJ hating atmosphere we sometimes get from the media\public I doubt anti-MJ books sell that good. I think they only get the tabloid's attention for a short while but that's about it. And since Wade already got his 15 minutes with the lawsuit I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make.

People (Haters) only manage to get their attention if the writer proclaims his book as a biography or the story about friendship and then fill their books with misinformations and lies. Something like Ian Halperin who got a lot of attention at the time but never branded his book as anti-MJ. I would assume if there was an interest in such book other people were offered to write one years ago, mainly Gavin or Jordan (unless the settlement forbids the Chandlers from writing a book?).

It's not that I don't think Wade has a book plan in mind... I believe it's one of his backup plans but it would be a stupid move. Plus I hope the Estate will be able to do something about it like they warned Conrad Murray last year.

 

[HIStory]

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The Chandlers already have a book published. I don't think it was a bestseller, despite of it being published at the height of the Arvizo trial,so yeah Wade would not be able to make as much money from book writing and tabloid whoring as if he had won the lawsuit, but since he burnt many bridges he probably will not have many alternatives.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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^ by Jordan's uncle, right? I only heard about it here. The second anti-MJ book I know is Diane Dimond's and that's about it, Not counting the tabloids biographers.

 

[PoP]

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there was a rumor / claim that his son has autism. It's been never confirmed though.

I doubt to believe that his son autistic and that idiot should know that autism is a genetic disorder which is also a social impairment, not a mental illness and I know autism well enough.

 

[barbee0715]

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If this case get's tossed I can still see Wade doing the media rounds and giving interviews. I also wouldn't be surprised if he writes a book. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if he's working on writing a book right now

it wouldn't surprise me either, but since he claims Michael's companies knew and were complicit in abuse and most of those people are still around, they could sue.
Not sure if the estate could sue since you supposedly cant defame a dead person (I beg to differ), but living people for sure can and shut him down.
I don't think any of these books make any money anyway. They all seem to have about 15 minutes of fame. If that.

 

[#MJforever57]

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If i was those ppls i would sue Wade he has yet to prove that this was happening and somebody in the companies knew about it that like accusing them of something that they did not know about no one has came forward and said this was happening.

 

[HIStory]

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^ by Jordan's uncle, right?

Yes..

 

[PoP]

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If i was those ppls i would sue Wade he has yet to prove that this was happening and somebody in the companies knew about it that like accusing them of something that they did not know about no one has came forward and said this was happening.

My sentiments exactly. I'd sue Robson's sorry @$$.