[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Did he even mention names?

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Even if Wade did not mention any names he is suing the companies and if these ppls are still around they need to sue him. Wade is accusing them of something they knew nothing about Wade own words only him and Michael knew so why sue the companies?


I hope on Dec 16 that the judge dismiss MJ and his companies because one you can't sue a dead man and two Wade has yet to prove that the companies are negligence and that they were aware this was going on and said nothing.


Like it was mention that Wade want to keep this seal to protect Michael i do not believe that Wade main goal was to go after the Estate and when they refuse to settle Wade went to plan B and it leak out that he was abuse by Michael but guess what only RO and NE was the only TB that pick up this messy for what to turn the ppls against a dead man sad.


Now you have Wade and his wife so open with this now trying to get close to real ppls who have had this happen to them try to get invole in groups like you really support this play on they sympathy want them to feel sorry for him that is just wrong on top of that using your own child i believe that when ppls say you do anything for money that is true.

That why i hope that the ppls and the judge will see right through Wade because imo Wade dose not have a case and it is really time to end this crazy messy and to tell you the true if MJ was here we would not even see this.

 

[dannyboy72]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The only way to sue in California is to say that abuse that happened a long time ago and passed the statue of limitations, was something that you repressed.

You see, if you claim that as an adult your connected the dots and realized that childhood sexual abuse caused adult trauma, you've got 3 years from that point to sue.

Hence both Wade Robson and Safechuck both claim that they only discovered their abuse after recent 'therapy'.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This 3 year rule is now getting national coverage because of the Cosby case. They explained that it wasn't repressed, but they just now figured out that their problems today are linked to abuse 30 yrs ago.
Gloria Alred is the atty of course.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Do not forget that that since MJ is dead other rules are at play in his case re statutes. Yes, Robson and Safechuck's lawyers argue that the 3 year rule should be applied to them but the Estate disagrees because the rules are different for defendants who are dead.

They explained that it wasn't repressed, but they just now figured out that their problems today are linked to abuse 30 yrs ago.

This is a routine thing people have to claim to be able to file a late claim, simply because this is the exception in the law which would allow them to file a late claim. But like I said it's more complicated in MJ's case because he is dead and in his case other laws come in as well.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You are right.

 

[dannyboy72]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

*rolls eyes* I can't wait until this nonsense is over.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The only way to sue in California is to say that abuse that happened a long time ago and passed the statue of limitations, was something that you repressed.

You see, if you claim that as an adult your connected the dots and realized that childhood sexual abuse caused adult trauma, you've got 3 years from that point to sue.

Hence both Wade Robson and Safechuck both claim that they only discovered their abuse after recent 'therapy'.

Do not forget that that since MJ is dead other rules are at play in his case re statutes. Yes, Robson and Safechuck's lawyers argue that the 3 year rule should be applied to them but the Estate disagrees because the rules are different for defendants who are dead.

Yes. that 3 year rule doesn't really apply to WR and JS because they are suing a dead man's estate and it's subject to probate rules.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade and his lawyers can argue about this until they are blue in the face the facts are the facts this 3 yr rule does not apply to them either like Ivy said they are suing a dead man Estate which is in probate court so the rules are different.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes. that 3 year rule doesn't really apply to WR and JS because they are suing a dead man's estate and it's subject to probate rules.

and again, this is why I dont get why the judge didn't throw it out on day one.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Respect77 you are right this is a complicated case but for us as MJ fans the picture is clear thanks to you and Ivy keeping us updated on the laws and the rules, codes because the way i see it everything that Wade and his lawyers are trying to claim that apply to them to try to get around the statute of limitations really does not apply to them. Like dannyboy said in his post so Wade had to claim this as a adult because the childhood sexual abuse cause adult trauma so Wade lawyers want to claim that the 3 yr rule apply to them but that does not really apply to them either because MJ is no long with us.


I really do not see this case moving on that is imo there is no proof no evidence this case is one side all we have is Wade words that this so call alleged sexual abuse happen.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

and again, this is why I dont get why the judge didn't throw it out on day one.

Because Wade claim he was sexual abuse at a young age so the judge had to take his words as true i don't get it either but this is why and now they want to use this 3 yr rule the problem with that is the defend it not here anymore so this does not apply to them either go figure.

The judge job is to decide if this case has enough evidence to move forward.


Note: It took 3 times before MAW case was dismiss let hope that does not happen here.

 

[mjsdangerousgurl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Agreed that I hope the Estate counter sues. Wade is pathetic--Anything for money, right? Why can't Michael just rest in peace already? I feel so sorry for his children who have to hear all this disgusting garbage. When do you think it'll finally be thrown out of court? I feel the process is going so slow. Next hearing is Dec 16, if I'm not mistaken. Then there's Jimmy Safechuck...once again, anything for money.

 

[dannyboy72]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

My only concern is how to repair the damage that has been done to MJ's legacy as a result of these claims? Even if the cases are dismissed, there are still a lot of people out there who believe these 2 men.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Michael's legacy is always going to be intact. Despite what stupid people may think

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes. As long as these new charges get thrown out, as they should be, that should stop all future wannabe extortionists in their tracks.
And then the legacy will continue to grow, thrive and be celebrated.
It was mind boggling to me to watch the tide change with such a vengeance after Michael died and I think mind blowing to the media as well.
On the day of his memorial every mainstream anchor was sitting outside ready and waiting to talk about eccentricities and allegations and they got nothing in their interviews. Even the term "self proclaimed Kop" changed to just the "King of Pop" within 10 days. I think the media realized they were on the wrong side of history due to the unprecedented outpouring of worldwide grief and they needed to change their approach on things.
They may have thought people were only fascinated with Michael because he was eccentric or a tragic figure or a fallen genius and played on that for a little while but they soon realized they were dead wrong.

 

[Paris78]

Radar online on Safechuck again...that's only the headline
didnt click the link...

Michael Jackson ‘Brainwashed’ Boy To Believe ‘Deviant’ Sex Was ‘Normal’ — Explosive New Claims In Sex Case
41 minutes ago
Michael Jackson was a master “brainwash” expert who manipulated a young boy into “deviant” sex acts — according to explosive claims filed in his sex abuse case

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yeah new claim alright they don't have anything but more lies. I can't wait until Dec 16th oh how i pray the judge will just throw this messy out so we can get on with Michael's legacy.

 

[#MJforever57]

Radar online on Safechuck again...that's only the headline
didnt click the link...

Michael Jackson ‘Brainwashed’ Boy To Believe ‘Deviant’ Sex Was ‘Normal’ — Explosive New Claims In Sex Case
41 minutes ago
Michael Jackson was a master “brainwash” expert who manipulated a young boy into “deviant” sex acts — according to explosive claims filed in his sex abuse case

Good don't click.

Well it looks like RO has to find something to put out there because the Cosby case is all over the news now. I am hearing this victim try to sell her story 10 yr ago what that telling you she was after the money all the time.

 

[ivy]

I'll post it here.

Ps: given Safechuck just filing his opposition to Estate's demurrer, it looks like Nov 19 hearing did not happen and/or was delayed to December 16.

documents: https://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/safechuck-jackson-court-docs-dec-5-2014.pdf


Michael Jackson ‘Brainwashed’ Boy To Believe ‘Deviant’ Sex Was ‘Normal’ — Explosive New Claims In Sex Case

Michael Jackson was a master “brainwash” expert who manipulated a young boy into “deviant” sex acts — according to explosive claims filed in his sex abuse case and obtained by RadarOnline.com.

James Safechuck is accusing Michael Jackson of molesting him as a child decades ago. Jackson’s attorneys have tried to block the suit, but Safechuck’s attorneys fired back in a new filing obtained by Radar, and claimed that he should be allowed to sue the late pop star’s estate because he didn’t realize he’d been psychologically damaged until recent therapy.

Jackson’s “manipulation and indoctrination” of Safechuck, who was 10 when he worked with Jackson in a 1987 Pepsi commercial, “rendered him psychologically incapable of understanding the full extent of the harm that Jackson inflicted upon him until he obtained therapy as an adult,” the new court filing contends.

The recent therapy helped Safechuck “‘connect the dots’ between Jackson’s abuse and the deep feelings of panic and anxiety he has experienced since childhood,” the filing claims. “Before entering therapy, Safechuck had always believed that these feelings were ‘just a part of who he is.’”

Safechuck used the same lawyer as Australian choreographer Wade Robson to file a creditor’s claim against Jackson’s estate for alleged damages suffered from child sex abuse.

Jackson estate lawyers argued in a court filing in September that Safechuck started therapy only after he learned about Robson’s claim last year. “Safechuck claims when he learned about Robson’s lawsuit after May 1, 2013, he thought for the first time he might need help. Safechuck started meeting with a psychiatrist on May 20, 2013, and began discussing the alleged abuse during the treatment,” the documents said.

California law allows just one year after someone dies for a claim to be made against their estate. Safechuck waited nearly five years after Jackson’s 2009 overdose from a surgical anesthetic to come forward with his claims.

But Safechuck’s lawyers argue that “the fact that Safechuck was unable to reach this realization until after the deadline for filing a claim had passed, should not be used as the sole basis for denying his petition.”

He claims that he was groomed, and sexually molested by Michael Jackson for five years, beginning when he was 10 years old.

Jackson “left him filled with guilt and shame” and convinced “their relationship was ‘consensual’ and an ‘expression of love,’” the filing contends.

“Jackson’s ‘modus operandi’ was to carefully seduce his victims and their families by exposing them to an exciting and glamorous lifestyle which they found irresistible, and manipulate them into believing that he simply wanted to be ‘friends’ with his target,” the filing says.

“In Safechuck’s case, Jackson ingratiated himself with Safechuck’s family by inviting them to dinner at his home, buying them expensive gifts, and taking them on exotic vacations,” the document says. “Having won Safechuck’s parents’ trust, Jackson began grooming Safechuck for sexual abuse by encouraging him to become a ‘miniature version’ of Jackson, and intensifying the emotional connection between them.”

“Then, once Safechuck had begun to idolize and trust him completely, Jackson initiated Safechuck into his deviant world of childhood sexual abuse by teaching him how to masturbate,” the claim says.

Ultimately, Safechuck was “brainwashed” to believe that the abusive acts were “‘his idea,’ and a normal way for two people to show their love for each other,” the filing contends. “At the same time, Jackson intimidated Safechuck into hiding their relationship from the world, and made Safechuck believe that if the truth ever came out, then their futures ‘would be over.’”

It was those “conflicting messages” that caused “horrible confusion, guilt and shame in Safechuck’s innocent, youthful mind, and this profound emotional harm has continued to plague him into adulthood,” his lawyers write.

Safechuck’s relationship with Jackson was part of the evidence introduced in the 2005 sex molestation trial against the entertainer. A Santa Barbara County, California, jury found Jackson not guilty on all counts.

 

[HIStory]

RO are only repeating what has been said before. Seems like the blackmail through bad publicity is going on.

ETA:

“Having won Safechuck’s parents’ trust, Jackson began grooming Safechuck for sexual abuse by encouraging him to become a ‘miniature version’ of Jackson, and intensifying the emotional connection between them.”

His modelling his allegations after Chandler and Arvizo makes him so transparent. This whole "‘miniature version’ of Jackson" was a talking point of Evan Chandler. He was the one who made it into some kind of sign of molestation or/and grooming, even though he could never explain how.


From the Chandler's book:

“Monique reiterated her opinion that Michael was taking up too much of Jordie’s life. But this time she offered an additional observation. “Jordie doesn’t even know you’re in the room, Evan. Can’t you see what’s going on? They’re in love!”
The minute the L word left Monique’s mouth, Evan believed she was right. “It should have been a dead giveaway,” Evan recalled weeks later, when Jordie came walking in the house that night wearing tight black pants, white socks, black loafers and a black fedora, and Michael came walking in right behind him wearing the same riling. "

“Even if there was no sex, Jordie’s personality had been seriously altered. As he morphed day by day into a pint-sized clone of Michael, he withdrew further and further from his family and friends.” [1; page 49]

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I did a quick glance of the document. Safechuck claims he met MJ when he was 8, abuse started at 10 and ended when he was 14.

So he's claiming 2 years of grooming and brainwashing before any abuse.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I did not know it was screw me up but I knew he was a bad man

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

:doh: And he didn't realize it was wrong until 20-something years later. Nice.

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Apart from rape the claims are similar, not surprising since they have the same lawyer.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

RO are only repeating what has been said before. Seems like the blackmail through bad publicity is going on.

ETA:



His modelling his allegations after Chandler and Arvizo makes him so transparent. This whole "‘miniature version’ of Jackson" was a talking point of Evan Chandler. He was the one who made it into some kind of sign of molestation or/and grooming, even though he could never explain how.


From the Chandler's book:

Clemente is writing this down at the moment so he can make it fit his victims profiling... "victims tend to dress up like their abuser and wanna be like him." :smilerolleyes:

 

[myosotis]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

'Proof of childhood sexual abuse, trauma and threats will be presented by direct evidence, corroborating evidence and evidence of ...intent and plan'.

I wonder what he views as 'evidence' ...That is a fairly strong statement to make. Does he mean proof of the 'vacations' and 'glamorous lifestyle' I wonder?

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

:doh: And he didn't realize it was wrong until 20-something years later. Nice.

I notice that this motion never addresses that point made by the Estate in which they said that Safechuck allegedly told his mother in 2005 that he was abused and that MJ was a "bad man". If he indeed claimed that in his original complaint that contradicts with the claims in this motion which say he only realized the illicit nature of the alleged acts after seeing Robson on TV. And this is an important point because this is the main argument they base their equitable estoppel argument on.

I also noticed that when on page 9-10 they cite the therapist it's the EXACT same text (almost word by word, the only difference being in the time frame of the alleged abuse) as in Robson's lawsuit. How convenient that the therapist finds the EXACT same things about both of these guys...

ETA: Also we have a civil case number for Safechuck: BC545264

So they filed a civil lawsuit for him as well.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

'Proof of childhood sexual abuse, trauma and threats will be presented by direct evidence, corroborating evidence and evidence of ...intent and plan'.

I wonder what he views as 'evidence' ...That is a fairly strong statement to make. Does he mean proof of the 'vacations' and 'glamorous lifestyle' I wonder?

They say the exact same things in Robson's lawsuit (word by word), yet, as we know, they are only now looking for "evidence" in discovery to support their claims and want to drag previous allegations into it to boost Wade's etc. Doesn't mean anything. For example, testimonies by Robson/Safechuck in an upcoming trial claiming they have been abused would be considered "direct evidence". Doesn't mean it's true or that it's some strong evidence.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Clemente is writing this down at the moment so he can make it fit his victims profiling... "victims tend to dress up like their abuser and wanna be like him." :smilerolleyes:

haha. That made me laugh. Hard to do while reading this thread.