[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Didn*t Wade say in one of the documents that he thought his father committed suicide because he suspected MJ was molesting Wade?

So Wade*s father commit suicide due to mental illness, then Wade*s cousin does the same thing.
I hope estate lawyers are aware of these cases, and use that info accordingly when necessary.

Yes, Wade tried to imply his father*s suicide had something to do with MJ. Just like Jonathan himself did in one of his posts to RadarOnline:

Although not
the soul reason for his suicide, but a contributing factor of his death
was the fact that he had been abused as a child and anxiety that he had
helped to put his son through the same situation."

I guess MJ was also a contributing factor to World War 2...

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade mentioned his cousin*s death in a conversation with someone about a book:

So I guess we can safely say it was suicide. Just like Wade*s father (who was Jonathan*s uncle). Maybe Wade should find an honest way to identify and treat his mental issues instead of accusing someone who was good to him of henious crimes. (But I guess that is not so attractive as that would not set him for life financially.) Mental illness obviously runs in his family and has nothing to do with Michael Jackson.

That*s also the impression I got when I searched them on facebook but I didn*t want to say without being sure. The fact they didn*t show more emotion... So your guess was right on. Did Wade write this on his facebook profile?

Did you see Amanda now promotes child abuse prevention organizations? What a cynical use of serious matters. They probably think the jury is going to fall for it...

Yes, Wade tried to imply his father*s suicide had something to do with MJ. Just like Jonathan himself did in one of his posts to RadarOnline:

I guess MJ was also a contributing factor to World War 2...

That*s really pathetic. The whole Robson clan gone bonkers completely. How could he kill himself when Wade wasn*t really aware of it? and it*s a stupid claim even on their side - How could Joy testify in Michael*s defense if Wade*s father commited suicide because Michael abused her son? How could Wade?

:bs:

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That*s also the impression I got when I searched them on facebook but I didn*t want to say without being sure. The fact they didn*t show more emotion... So your guess was right on. Did Wade write this on his facebook profile?

I think yes. I took it from another forum where it was discussed.

And Chantal wrote this:

I lost a cousin this week But I Thank You Jony for your time with us, I hope you are flying now. I wanted to share the beauty in his eyes, the feelings in his heart and his ability to make everyone think and feel. Take a moment and hold a thought for someone you love.
Love you Jony.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMenonXs804
Video by Jony of a place in Australia I call home.

Did you see Amanda now promotes child abuse prevention organizations? What a cynical use of serious matters. They probably think the jury is going to fall for it...

Yes, both Wade and her have been doing it since Wade made his allegations. I think they probably see several benefits in it:

1) They think attaching themselves to such organizations will boost their credibility in people*s eyes.
2) By being around real abuse victims they can get ideas from them and their stories as to how to behave as an abuse victim and what stories to tell.
3) Since the number 1 rule in such survivor organizations is to never question anyone*s story they are safe in such communities as they will surely be believed within such groups. And they can make friends and supporters in such groups who may vouch for Wade as character witnesses later in court.

I think it*s all very calculated and cynical.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

They both make me sick.

 

[dannyboy72]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The love of money has really got a lot of people messed up.

 

[SarahJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes, Wade tried to imply his father*s suicide had something to do with MJ. Just like Jonathan himself did in one of his posts to RadarOnline:



I guess MJ was also a contributing factor to World War 2...

Not to mention the stock market crash of 1929...

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I guess MJ was also a contributing factor to World War 2...

Not to mention the stock market crash of 1929...

These made me giggle, and I cannot help but ship in: how about world hunger and ebola - Michael*s doings?

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

These made me giggle, and I cannot help but ship in: how about world hunger and ebola - Michael*s doings?

Absolutely.

 

[analogue]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Let*s not forget about 9/11. That was obviously planned by Michael, becaue during that time he was in in New York playing the 30th anniversary concerts, but little did we know that he had other plans up his sleeve

 

[SarahJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sinking of the Titanic

Iceberg or Michael Jackson? :scratch:

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sinking of the Titanic

Iceberg or Michael Jackson? :scratch:

Lol. I know what he did, he hid underneath the water and when the Titanic came by he scraped his rhinestone covered glove against the side of it and put holes in it. He was alive back then you know, he had to reintroduce himself to the world through thriller. They accepted him even though he was a zombie, but then decided it would solve all the world's problems just to say that everything was his fault. Yep.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What about causing the Black Plague? Michael carried the flies that caused the virus. Or the Inquisition? Those ideas of Healing The World and loving and helping the ones in need were so contemptuous to be tolerated, so the ones who agreed with him were tortured to death or burned at the steak.

In all seriousness, what a money whore Robson is, using his son and such a hienous crime to profit is absolutely disgusting and despicable! I feel bad for the poor thing, he has no blame of having that scumbag of a "father"!

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I feel sorry for his kid too, but think about it-wouldn't you do the EXACT SAME THING that Wade and his wife (and family) are doing with the abuse groups, etc. if you were trying to put on a big case like this? I would.
He doesn't care anything about them-and I hope no one falls for that. He'll drop them all once this thing is resolved.

I hate Wade more every day-he's a stereotype of somebody who thinks he was wronged (in his case not achieving the potential and rewards he sincerely thinks he deserves) and is out for all the revenge he can get. He comes off as angry and bitter and it's not because of sexual abuse.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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I think Wade is a very troubled man with serious mental issues and I now believe he really had a serious nervous breakdown... Look how serious it got with his father and his cousin, but he's the one who's a bit more hopeful, because he found a way to cash his depression. Lets see how his life will go after the case will be dismissed or after he loses it. He might try get a book deal. But none of these will cure his depression. Mainly because Michael is not the reason for his depression, so he won't really get a closure. He'll just get more bitter. It makes me sick his family members that don't have this kind of mental issues didn't talk sense into him and support this. For obvious reasons. I'm sure his wife won't turn down this miraculously easy way to get rich. But she'll still live with the same troubled man no matter what outcome this case is going to have. His family and him are expoliting his depression instead of getting him real help. But I'm not feeling sorry for him even a bit.

I gave it some more thought - and I believe the use of his son's pictures is not random. The way he emphasized the words he used when he talked about his son in that interview, it all adds up. Maybe I can understand the cynical use of abuse group it's a predictable tactic. Maybe too obvious. But using his son? Now I'm not sure if he's more of Evan Chandler or of Gavin Arvizo. :smilerolleyes:

 

[HIStory]

I'm sure his wife won't turn down this miraculously easy way to get rich. But she'll still live with the same troubled man no matter what outcome this case is going to have.

I guess they think money will make it easier for them to deal with Wade's mental issues but it won't. And I think temporarily it may make him feel better that he does not have to work, he does not have that kind of stress on him any more to succeed. Also I already posted this paper earlier in this thread. This is about insight-oriented therapy, the kind of therapy Wade went through: http://www.weiterbildung.uzh.ch/programme/weisheit/programm2012/unterlagen/WWJopling2001JCP.pdf

That paper, among others, talks about how there is a way for such therapy to work as a placebo even if the actual "insight" reached is historically untrue:

“But if placebo insights can be said to “work” for clients, they do not work for the reasons that clients and therapists think they work, that is, because they get at the truth, and because they supply accurate explanations of the client’s target disorders and psychological make-up. Rather, they work to the extent that they bring about a more fictionalized contact with reality, including the reality of the self. Because how things
seem to the client and the therapist and how things are are quite distinct…”

“If one of the central functions of placebo insights is to mediate the harsh impact of reality through explanatory fictions, then one of the potential consequences is the editing or filtering out of negative social feedback—that is, the criticisms, advice, disapprovals, and hurt feelings of other persons. But while this may be beneficial from a strictly self-regarding standpoint, it can result in a kind of “other-blindness:” that is, a systematic misrecognition or misinterpretation of the effects of one’s actions upon others. If therapeutically induced illusions and deceptions leave clients less responsive to negative social feedback, then they are less capable of experiencing the kinds of moral and personal growth that are only possible in contexts of interpersonal relations unencumbered by illusions and deceptions.”

“Finally, embracing explanatory fictions and therapy-induced self-deceptions for their therapeutic value runs into conflict with some of our deeper convictions about what it is to be a fully developed and fully self-aware human being.”

I do not believe Wade has false memories, but I would not be surprised if he did try hard to convince himself that it happened. I don't think it will last long though. Whatever happens to this case, making up explanatory fictions and try to make himself believe them to explain his current mental issues will not work for long, because obviously his mental issues are rooted more deeply and are probably genetic and hereditary.

Mental illness, depression suck and they are capable of making someone unable to work or function in every day life. Probably that's what happened to Wade and he realized sooner or later it will ruin his earning capacity (probably already did) and he "needed" to find an alternative way to secure the future of his family financially.

 

[barbee0715]

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Totally agree with your last paragraph. I think that's the problem. He really can't work anymore (look at recent big jobs he lost) and this is the only way to recoup.

 

[ivy]

Finally, embracing explanatory fictions and therapy-induced self-deceptions

I do not believe Wade has false memories, but I would not be surprised if he did try hard to convince himself that it happened. I don't think it will last long though. Whatever happens to this case, making up explanatory fictions and try to make himself believe them to explain his current mental issues will not work for long, because obviously his mental issues are rooted more deeply and are probably genetic and hereditary.

I wrote this long long ago but it wouldn't surprise me if these were false memories and he believes them to be true.

If you look to the information from 90s when a lot of women came up with the "repressed memories" of "oh my family abused me" it was all based on an existing mental / emotional issue and therapy - faulty therapy. In other words those women had some emotional / mental issues, they sought help by going to therapy. They wanted to find a reason for their problems, for closure, for healing and then they with the help of faulty therapy created the false memories of being abused. In their minds - that false memories explains to them why they have issues and they find closure and start to heal.

I wouldn't be surprised that Wade indeed had some mental / emotional problems and breakdown. He probably sought help to find out what is wrong with him and hopefully get cured and get better. It's possible that he created a childhood sexual abuse scenario as an easy way out. Remember he has been deposed / testified twice as other people claimed he was abused. It's possible that his father questioned if he was abused as well (cascio's father said he asked his kids if something happened). So it's not really a stretch for him to focus on those and say "oh perhaps I was indeed abused but I was in denial". It's very possible that his so called "realization" is giving him closure as in his mind it explains him why he had the mental/emotional problems and all of other stuff he does is his way of healing and moving on. So in other words he might have created a false memory and believe it to be true. His family wouldn't be any wiser about it and they would simply believe what he says.

Of course it is also possible that this is more sinister act - that he is lying knowingly and intentionally and other people might be aware of it as well.

as a side note: there are relationship between bipolar disease and misinterpretation memories and even paranoid delusions. I read many bipolar people think false memories are real. There were some very simple examples. For example wife asks husband - who is bipolar- why he didn't take the trash out. He says he took it out and has a very vivid and seemingly real memory of taking it out. However when he checks he sees he didn't take it out and he realizes he just thought he should take the trash out and that thought has turned into the real seeming false memory of actually taking the trash out.

a quote "A pattern of intensely hyper-emotional responses, especially to situations that trigger abandonment fears. It’s a pattern of demanding, critical and chaotic relationships instead of cooperative communicating. It’s a pattern also of misinterpreting situations as hurtful that are in fact benign, with the misinterpretations occurring either while the situation is happening, or in retelling the events later. It also may be a pattern of attractive and highly competent-appearing social functioning at times alternating with periods of intense and inappropriate anger, narcissism, and explicitly hurtful behavior (to themselves or to others).”"

As for delusions " people with bipolar disorder can have delusions -- ie, false fixed beliefs (eg, that someone harmed them when that did not occur) or poor insight (eg, inability to grasp certain realities), though neither of these is quite the same thing as "false memories," which are not per se part of bipolardisorder."

As far as I can see experts don't call these as "false memories", they refer to them misinterpretations or delusions but the nature is almost the same - believing things happened when they didn't or misinterpreting an event that happened.

 

[HIStory]

^ I think deliberate self-delusion is possible here (on what level, that's the question). There are several benefits for Wade to delude himself into a state of mind where he would believe he was abused:

- Would explain his mental issues without having to face the more threatening fact that it is probably genetic and runs in his family and maybe not much can be done about it (at least treatment did not seem to work for his father and cousin).
- Would give him a possibility to feel sorry for himself about his childhood without having to face his mommy issues. IMO the fact that his mother pushed him to work at an early childhood is the reason why he now feels unhappy about his childhood, but it's more convenient to find another scapegoat, outside of the family.
- Would give him a way to explain why he cannot work any more, again, instead of facing the harsh reality of a serious hereditary mental illness.
- Of course, the most important, that it gives him an opportunity to sue MJ's Estate for money and thus financially secure his and his family's future despite of his inability to work.

On the other hand, what speaks against "false memories" to me is when I look at his court docs and they are so cynically and clearly geared toward certain goals. Like claims being made clearly just to get around statutes or to make the most money possible. Also he does not claim repressed memory that suddenly popped up during therapy, but he claims he always knew he was just not willing to admit it. So if this is self-delusion then he must have deluded himself also into thinking that this was there in his mind all-along he just did not want to accept it or whatever it is that he claims.

Well, since his mind is certainly not a healthy mind but a very vulnerable one each version is possible. I think he is probably working hard on deluding himself into believing his own crap and this "survivor" status, but whether he really arrived there deep down or not, who knows? Surrounding yourself with sex abuse books and victims day and night can actually “help” you to make up such “memories”. Like in this video, the story of that woman at 0:42:

[video=youtube;wA8p1k3UVyk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA8p1k3UVyk[/video]

It's also interesting that bipolar disorder was also a major factor in the Chandler allegations since Evan was bipolar. (And Janet Arvizo schizophrenic.)

 

[analogue]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Lol. I know what he did, he hid underneath the water and when the Titanic came by he scraped his rhinestone covered glove against the side of it and put holes in it

Damn! Now I'm convinced! Michael Jackson was pure evil

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

- Would explain his mental issues without having to face the more threatening fact that it is probably genetic and runs in his family and maybe not much can be done about it (at least treatment did not seem to work for his father and cousin).

this. if you think for a moment it should be really frustrating for anyone that has a problem - whether it's an emotional, mental or physical issue - and not know the reason for the problem. That's why I think people are desperate for an explanation or a diagnosis. Also I think people feel if they know the reason why they can work on fixing the reason - aka healing. That's why I think such people are /were easily influenced by suggestions by their therapists and so on.

In those instances and as well as in Wade's instance it could be more preferable to blame someone than to deal with any type of disorder. In other words like you said rather than Wade accepting he's bipolar, he might prefer to blame MJ for his problems.

It's also interesting that bipolar disorder was also a major factor in the Chandler allegations since Evan was bipolar. (And Janet Arvizo schizophrenic.)

yes. also I get suspicious whenever a therapist is involved. I don't believe in repressed memories - as many of the experts. so when someone claims they remembered or recognized something while undergoing therapy, I suspect the validity of such memories. I think it's also possible for them to be false memories.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I guess they think money will make it easier for them to deal with Wade's mental issues but it won't. And I think temporarily it may make him feel better that he does not have to work, he does not have that kind of stress on him any more to succeed. Also I already posted this paper earlier in this thread. This is about insight-oriented therapy, the kind of therapy Wade went through: http://www.weiterbildung.uzh.ch/programme/weisheit/programm2012/unterlagen/WWJopling2001JCP.pdf

That paper, among others, talks about how there is a way for such therapy to work as a placebo even if the actual "insight" reached is historically untrue:









I do not believe Wade has false memories, but I would not be surprised if he did try hard to convince himself that it happened. I don't think it will last long though. Whatever happens to this case, making up explanatory fictions and try to make himself believe them to explain his current mental issues will not work for long, because obviously his mental issues are rooted more deeply and are probably genetic and hereditary.

Mental illness, depression suck and they are capable of making someone unable to work or function in every day life. Probably that's what happened to Wade and he realized sooner or later it will ruin his earning capacity (probably already did) and he "needed" to find an alternative way to secure the future of his family financially.

In case of winning, yes, he might find comfort temporarily but since it's not the real stressor of his mental illness, this peace won't last long. Now, we're naturally hoping for him not getting any money, so I wonder what his next step is gonna be.

Do you think he's getting a real treatment for his so called abuse memories or it ended when he 'discovered' he was abused and the next step was the lawsuit? because associating yourself with support groups doesn't equal getting treatment... Is he also suing for treatment expenses or is it just the amount of money he thinks he could have made if he wasn't abused?

 

[HIStory]

@Ivy

Yes, that's why I find that paper about the insight oriented therapy so interesting. More quotes from that paper:

First, the mere acquisition of insight is not a guarantee that the insight is true. This is
the case even if the acquisition of insight is the culmination of months of hard work and
struggle in a setting that constantly reinforces the image of insight-oriented psychother-
apy as a legitimate venue for exploration and authentic discovery.

For example, what might appear to the client to be verid-
ical insight may in fact be the product of a pervasive and undetected strategy of self-
deception that finds support within the therapeutic setting, or it may be a false realization
which becomes apparent with further (post-therapeutic) self-inquiry and further (post-
therapeutic) consideration of the evidence.

Second, the client’s level of conviction about the validity and authenticity of a newly
won insight is not a guarantee that the insight is true. The client may be deeply convinced
about—even form strong identifications with—an insight that is in fact psychologically
and historically false. The client’s level of conviction simply may be a function of a
temporary lapse of judgment that is the result of systematically distorted epistemic and
interpretive standards brought about by prolonged exposure to the epistemic and inter-
pretive standards of the therapy.

Naturally, this is not to deny the methodological signif-
icance of emotional arousal as a key ingredient in the acquisition of insight; but the fact
that clients become emotionally aroused in certain stages in the therapy, during which
they appear to arrive at an understanding of issues in their lives that they would not
otherwise have understood, is not a guarantee that what they have understood in the
emotionally aroused state is true.

Third, the therapist’s conviction about the authenticity of the client’s explorations,
and the truth-value of the client’s insight, is not a guarantee of the truth of the insight.
Therapists have neither privileged nor authoritative access to their clients’ life histories
and psychologies, even when their therapeutic interventions have all the marks of being
carried out correctly according to the standards of the therapeutic theory and the clinical
norms of the community of practitioners. Nor do therapists occupy the point of view of unbiased and impartial observers: They have vested interests in seeing their work suc-
ceed, they operate with theoretical orientations that have the potential to blind them to
salient psychological and behavioral evidence, and they have only a finite amount of
clinical material with which to work.

And here is exactly what you talked about:

Fourth, the occurrence of therapeutic change following the acquisition of insight is
not a guarantee of the insight’s truth. To assume otherwise is to commit the fallacy of post
hoc ergo propter hoc. There are a number of plausible alternative explanations that would
have to be ruled out before accepting that therapeutic change was directly or indirectly a
function of the truth of the insight. The change, for example, may have occurred because
of factors less related to the truth-value of the insight than to its capacity to persuade the
client with its apparent coherence, elegance, and explanatory power. One of the factors
common to all forms of psychotherapy is that clients are supplied with a coherent ratio-
nale that explains their problems, gives otherwise puzzling symptoms a name (Torrey,
1986), and provides a socially sanctioned method of treatment. But even if the rationale
is false, and the symptomatology and nosology unsubstantiated, the therapy may still be
effective. In these cases, therapeutic agency rests on the client’s
belief in the rationale’s validity and veridicality—actual truth value notwithstanding (Frank, 1989; Frank & Frank,
1991)

Here, I will explore only one alternative explanation of the phenomena that occur
in the insight-oriented psychotherapies: the therapeuticity of insight-mimicking explan-
atory fictions and therapy-induced self-deceptions and illusions. In some respects, this
explanation is at once the most obvious and the most easily overlooked. This is because
it is so clearly at odds with the standard view. Rather than beginning with the obvious
assumption that the insight-oriented psychotherapies are likely to generate veridical
insight, and that any failures to do so are to be explained as failures in the application
of the treatment methods (rather than failures in the methods themselves and the
theories that explain them), I will begin with the opposite assumption: that the insight-
oriented psychotherapies are likely to generate illusions, deceptions, pseudo-insights,
and adaptive self-misunderstandings that convincingly mimic bona fide insight; and
that their failures to generate bona fide insight are not merely failures in the applica-
tion of the treatment methods but failures in the methods and the therapeutic theories
themselves.

The second guiding assumption is that it may be more socially and psychologically
adaptive to remain deceived, ignorant, or deluded about oneself than to be knowledge-
able; that is, to live with an understanding of self that is shaped by misinformation,
fabrication, false theories, and benign fictions.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Do you think he's getting a real treatment for his so called abuse memories or it ended when he 'discovered' he was abused and the next step was the lawsuit? because associating yourself with support groups doesn't equal getting treatment... Is he also suing for treatment expenses or is it just the amount of money he thinks he could have made if he wasn't abused?

I don't think he sues for treatment expenses. I don't remember reading any such thing in his lawsuit.

I have no idea if he's getting any treatment currently.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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I don't think he sues for treatment expenses. I don't remember reading any such thing in his lawsuit.

Interesting.




Thanks for the informative posts again. Wade's therapy method sounds questionable and shady. Maybe it's no coincidence that's the method he picked.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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Isn't there some kind of regulation to band the practice of fraudulent/questionable treatments? *A bit off topic* Dr. Oz was called to congress to admit how a treatment with pills for weight loss didn't work. I'd assume psychologists and psychiatrists treatments are put under that scrutiny.

 

[MJresearcher]

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I find it very disturbing that Insight Therapy is even allowed, if it causes people to think certain things are true when they aren't it should not be allowed to be practiced. Many, if not all of the people who go to it are looking for help, they're already in a mental and probably emotional state which makes it easier for them to be lead in a false direction.

 

[barbee0715]

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I'm sure there's some type of mental illness involved because that's common with lots of us. It can run the gamut from OCD, anxiety, depression on up. And tons of creative people are bi-polar.
And I'd even agree about him believing about the false memories of gentle questionable stuff because he had to talk about it so much going back to his own childhood.
BUT since he got so graphic and detailed in his allegations there's no way I believe he convinced himself that happened to him. He's claiming repeated violent rape on a child and I think that just makes it more obvious that he's just an evil liar.

 

[ivy]

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He's claiming repeated violent rape on a child

does he? technically all we know is the sexual acts he is claiming - which includes rape- but we don't know timing or how often he claims such acts happened.so it's equally possible that he could be claiming one time rape or repeated rape, we don't know.

that being said, I agree some of his claims seems very specific. and that does make me think that this was a planned thing - make the worst claims to scare the Estate into settlement.

 

[barbee0715]

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Well at least five of those claims scream rape to me and absolutely yes-it's all to terrify the Estate because they're resurrecting Michael's real persona and making big money too.
I have NO doubt at all.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^
yeah there's absolutely a legal side to this as well. Regardless of how we classify his "realization" of abuse , he filed a lawsuit for money. Not everyone does that. Even the most recent celebrity examples shown us that. So there's also a money aspect here.