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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Hundreds of scientific studies showing this is more effective than other forms of meditation? Really? I highly doubt that. Everywhere you look around Wade there are bullshit claims.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Huh, is he freaking kidding me? :scratch: He needs psychiatric help instead of money because Robson comes with crazier and stuff full of bullshit every time.
 
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MJresearcher said:
Hundreds of scientific studies showing this is more effective than other forms of meditation? Really? I highly doubt that. Everywhere you look around Wade there are bullshit claims.
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He really seems to be into all this new age stuff. If you read his website: he's into yoga, meditation, vegetarianism, (supposedly all these help to heal from child abuse), he's promoting a bunch of new age, Oprah type of self help books. Of course a lot of it is hogwash, most of the time there is no "scinetific proof" behind stuff like this.

It seems he's trying to build a new career in this self-help, new age world.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Maybe he has moved from cocaine to LSD trips.

Wasn't it popular at some stage (60's/70's) doing those yoga and self-help things combined with LSD (a la The Beatles) and breach what ever they came up with during those trips?
 
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respect77 said:
If I had a penny for each time he uses the word "profound" in his posts and certain other words such as "powerful", "insightful", "inspiring". Everything seems to be "extremely" (another pet word of his) powerful, profound and insightful in his world...

The way he writes ... he's just such a fake.
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I agree. This is just him trying to show off to the public so that they will believe his claims against Michael, in my opinion. He uses grandiose words and narratives so that people will say "Wow. How nice he sounds. He can't be lying about Michael Jackson." Please. This makes me sick. If Michael had written things like that during his trial, these same people most likely would be yelling for him to hush up and sit down.
 
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Had Wade tried the ''I'm a good christian person'' approach to try and win over the very religious people of the U.S?
 
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analogue said:
Had Wade tried the ''I'm a good christian person'' approach to try and win over the very religious people of the U.S?
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He's into Buddhist stuff now apparently. At least this watered down Western/New Age, "I'm showing off what a deep spiritual person I am" type of Buddhism...

She Pray To God, To Buddha
Then She Sings A
Talmud Song
Confusions Contradict
The Self
Do We Know Right
From Wrong

Damn, Michael and his prophecies...
 
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analogue said:
Had Wade tried the ''I'm a good christian person'' approach to try and win over the very religious people of the U.S?
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He's a freaking fraud, he's trying to manipulate and poison their minds with the "I'm a good Christian and Michael did this and that" crap.
 
seany;4038092 said:
Course Fee and Yearly Income Breakdown
$250 course fee (yearly income of 25k or less)
$500 course fee (yearly income of 25k – 50k)
$750 course fee (yearly income of 50k – 100k
$1,000 course fee (yearly income of 100k +)

This system ensures the teaching is available to everyone.
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This just shows how out of touch they are with the real world. What person living on minimum wage is going to spend $250 on four meditation sessions? That's a whole month of groceries! Well, I guess Wade has to make money somehow.
 
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Buddhist, Christian it doesn't matter. He's full of it and a lowlife coward for causing such pain and distress on 3 minor orphans.
 
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If anything, what you all have mentioned just prove money is an issue to Wade and his family.
 
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I'm sure that scum reads this forum, and I wish there was a way Gaz or mods can confirm if that's the case.
 
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These are things he is going to be asked about. How much money did you make speaking at this event? How much money did you make promoting this how much money did you make for doing that?
 
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Rhilo said:
I'm sure that scum reads this forum, and I wish there was a way Gaz or mods can confirm if that's the case.
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no doubt , I agree with u
 
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Rhilo said:
I'm sure that scum reads this forum, and I wish there was a way Gaz or mods can confirm if that's the case.
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I believe you need to have an account on here and a certain number of posts in order to even view this part of the forum. Of course, he or someone in his circle could easily have done that too...

Also, WTF @ that seminar thing he's doing. And he's charging for it? Somebody really does need money...
 
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Bubs said:
I go for option no 1 and hopefully the judge follow the law.
"Weitzman actually got Robson to admit in a deposition he KNEW about the guardianship dispute involving Michael's kids back in 2009 ... so his claim of ignorance just doesn't hold water."

Wade can claim memory loss or what ever he is claiming about molestation, but he cannot claim memory loss for not knowing estate being in probate.
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Bubs i agree with you. I take 1 and 4 I don't see the judge letting this go any farther it is a waste of time.


1. Statue of limitations

4. Jackson is no longer here to defend himself.
 
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I really think Meseraus statement is not appropriate to assume the lawyers want Settlements because Weizmann once made one .. Sometimes I think he's really pissed that the Estate does not contact him. There is currently no reason to contact Meserau, because it's all about the discussion of deadlines.

I also found his behavior in the AEG-trial inappropriate. He was on Kathrines and her lawyers side and was subjective, ok. but to trash the jury after pronouncement of judgment was inappropriate.

That said, of cource I am very happy he was Michaels lawyer and still fights for him, but not erverything he does is okay including his promotion for the Sullvian-book.
 
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especially since it was made clear that a settlement is not going to happen
 
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John Branca wasn't even on Michael's legal team in 1994. So it's not fair to mention him or make assumptions on how he would act.
 
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as TMez also mentions the first step is to try to get this case dismissed. Statue of limitations, MJ being dead etc. is reasons to get it dismissed. Estate is trying dismissal and to be honest they don't need TMez or anyone's help for that. It's a basic legal issue. If they succeed the case will be over.

Only if they aren't successful in dismissal then it would be time to think about how to defend the case. That's the time when they can approach to TMez or perhaps even need him as a witness (and not a lawyer on the case).

Personally these kind of stuff isn't helping Estate. We all realize how Wade etc is hoping that Estate will settle and when people like Tmez says stuff like that probably they believe in they will be successful in getting a settlement. So this premature statements isn't helping anyone. I also don't get why some people are trial happy. Even if you believe this case can be won, why does anyone want to give Wade and Safechuck the opportunity to spread their lies? We all have seen how the few lines in a document created negative stories in the media.

As for TMez he should be remembered and respected for his brilliance in 2005 but recently I think he lost his objectivity and became too involved in the fandom. He supported Randall Sullivan's book - which had terrible stuff written about MJ as well as Jacksons- and called fans "haters" for not supporting it. His approach to AEG trial has nothing but subjective. I also don't get why a lawyer of his caliber keeps giving interviews to fans - such as the video above. I'm also not supportive of the idea of TMez going against a Robson supporter on a fan radio show on MJ's birthday.
 
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ivy said:
I also don't get why some people are trial happy. Even if you believe this case can be won, why does anyone want to give Wade and Safechuck the opportunity to spread their lies? We all have seen how the few lines in a document created negative stories in the media.
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Do you mean that the Estate should settle if the Judge gives the case the go-ahead?
 
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In 2005 MJ went through hell, but no one could ever claim he paid off Arvizo thus got off. While in 1993 , he avoided a trial but still until this day suffers from the decision to settle.

I still can't believe some fans prefer settlements in such cases.
 
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respect77 said:
Do you mean that the Estate should settle if the Judge gives the case the go-ahead?
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No I didn't mean that. I'm talking about right now. There are people that complain why Estate isn't refuting the claims more strongly or there are people like TMez talking about Estate coming and talking to them. There are people that says "let's go to court and win it". That's what I refer to as "trial happy".It's almost like wanting it to go to trial. That mindset means they prefer Estate to answer, refute, defend the accusations - right now. I think it is premature to expect them to do such. Too early in other words. As I mentioned we have seen how a few lines from a document created negative news stories. There's no sense in feeding the beast - so to speak- by answering it - at least now.

As for what happens if the case is allowed to go on / goes to trial we'll wait and see. There will be discovery and another summary judgment aka dismissal request. Only after that, only after knowing what the evidence is there might (or not)be a settlement consideration. All of past Estate settlements happened between summary judgment - trial. So based on it all it's too early and we lack information about the strength of the case. So I wouldn't personally tell what they should or should not do right now. We simply need more information. But to be a devil's advocate let me remind you that this is a civil trial which only requires 51% certainty on the jurors part. And if you think about the worst case scenario - which you think the jurors can believe the accusers 51% - then you need to ask yourself, which is worse? a settlement or a guilty/liable verdict? Or are they just the same? I don't know. Again just to be clear, way way early to think about such stuff, we don't have enough information to come to any conclusions and hopefully it won't ever come to that. Also hard to say how will people approach to stuff, will they prefer to take it to court to matter what or consider their chances of win/lose?

Soundmind said:
I still can't believe some fans prefer settlements in such cases.
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r u talking about me? If yes, I don't "prefer" a settlement. However I don't agree with fans almost blind "let's take it to court" approach. First of all - like I said a million times - it's too early to talk or think about this stuff. There are two dismissal chances which are and will be tried by Estate. I prefer the case to be dismissed than to go to trial. There are many reasons for that the first one being is MJ isn't being here to defend himself and the second one is how hard it will be to try to defend such case decades later. There's a very valid reason for statue of limitations, witnesses die, move away, memories of people get worse and so on. So imagine how hard it will be to defend such case 20+ years later with MJ being dead. It's not a fair process. So the case should be dismissed in my opinion and I prefer it to be dismissed. And when it gets dismissed (hopefully) all of the rest would be moot points.
 
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respect77 said:
Do you mean that the Estate should settle if the Judge gives the case the go-ahead?
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Of course she doesn't want a settlement. NONE of us do. The only good thing about a trial that's won would be to finally stop these accusations once and for all. But a total dismissal would do the same thing. Hopefully the judge will use some common sense and throw it all out. I wish he'd do it NOW.
 
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I'll add the only thing I want from Weitzman is be a little more forceful and say "of course Michael was not a pedophile. No way in hell ". Other than that continue to get the case thrown out!!!!
 
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barbee0715 said:
But a total dismissal would do the same thing.
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This! and that's what I prefer. A dismissal that says it's too late, that means no one else can file and that means the details of the accusations won't see the light of day. I prefer a dismissal over anything. and I don't get people being trial happy rather than dismissal.

For the rest all I'm trying to say it's too early to make any assumptions or come to conclusions. It's too early for Tmez and too early for all of us.
 
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The case will obviously get thrown out but how will the estate repair the damage that has been done to MJ's legacy?
 
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