[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Its more funny that all the kids from wealthy background or wealthy families (Sean Lennon, Ronson and others) says that nothing happened, but it is/was aways lazy people comes out with these claims, who expected Michael to pay their living rest of their lives or their monies run out. I can understand Michael wanting to help those families and give some opportunities to them, but I think his patience run thin when those families didn't do anything to make their own living, thus he distanced himself from them.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It will most certainly get dismissed. How can you prove abuse that supposedly occurred over 20 years ago and without a defendant? Even if it does get thrown out, the damage on MJ's legacy will not be erased. There are a lot of people who believe these men. I've read so many comments saying "there are way too many accusers and allegations for them to all be lying" and so on.

Nonsense what are these accusers motavation, money. All of there allegations come with a price tag. And people see that and anyone who does not is a stupid person

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It will most certainly get dismissed. How can you prove abuse that supposedly occurred over 20 years ago and without a defendant? Even if it does get thrown out, the damage on MJ's legacy will not be erased. There are a lot of people who believe these men. I've read so many comments saying "there are way too many accusers and allegations for them to all be lying" and so on. These allegations are really destroying his legacy.

You should educate your friend. I cannot take anyone seriously who claims to be a fan but does not bother to take a basic look into the allegations before joining some herd mentality about them.

Relying on arguments like "there are way too many accusers for it to be a lie" or "no smoke without fire" is what lazy people do. You have to know the facts behind the numbers to make conclusions. Most of these people do not know anything about them apart from the most superficial things. And BTW, even the numbers argument does not make any sense. Real pedophiles do not have one accuser coming out in every 10 years when there is money to be made. In the case of real pedophiles it's usually one coming forward and then it opens a floodgate of accusers immediately.

 

[dannyboy72]

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You should educate your friend. I cannot take anyone seriously who claims to be a fan but does not bother to take a basic look into the allegations before joining some herd mentality about them.

Relying on arguments like "there are way too many accusers for it to be a lie" or "no smoke without fire" is what lazy people do. You have to know the facts behind the numbers to make conclusions. Most of these people do not know anything about them apart from the most superficial things. And BTW, even the numbers argument does not make any sense. Real pedophiles do not have one accuser coming out in every 10 years when there is money to be made. In the case of real pedophiles it's usually one coming forward and then it opens a floodgate of accusers immediately.

Yeah that's true. MJ had access to thousands of children over a period of 20 years. Kids flocked to him from all over the world because he was the most famous man on the planet. If he was such a serial pedophile who just couldn't control his urges then he would certainly have at least 50 victims or even a hundred.

Here's an interesting article about a deceased pedophile: http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nation-and-world/hundreds-contact-fbi-about-pedophile-teacher

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

In Cliff Richard Case, BBC is under fire for being at the scene before the police raid . All the attention is now on how they got the "scope" not the actual allegations. There is now an investigation of their involvement. It makes me wonder how corrupt Sneddy and Diamond repeatedly got away with their criminal actions.

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Trust me on this one, she does not believe he was molested nor her mother. But he is their family.

I agree with you. During the weekend I was reading her comments from fb, and seemingly every time she got a dancing job, she made a post about it. I noticed that there weren't many of them, so how she makes living?
Wade is the same, he had jobs here and there, but how do they live? I think they got fed up for stretching penny and Wade came up with this scheme, and Chantal went with it because I'm certain Wade promised cut for her.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

In Cliff Richard Case, BBC is under fire for being at the scene before the police raid . All the attention is now on how they got the "scope" not the actual allegations. There is now an investigation of their involvement. It makes me wonder how corrupt Sneddy and Diamond repeatedly got away with their criminal actions.

I have heard the many of the British media is protective of Cliff Richard, they give him the benefit of doubt and they even say this may inspire bandwagon jumpers because Richard is wealthy etc., so people should be careful not to judge. Which is very well said, but unfortunately the standards are always so different for MJ. He is not even treated like a human.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I agree with you. During the weekend I was reading her comments from fb, and seemingly every time she got a dancing job, she made a post about it. I noticed that there weren't many of them, so how she makes living?
Wade is the same, he had jobs here and there, but how do they live? I think they got fed up for stretching penny and Wade came up with this scheme, and Chantal went with it because I'm certain Wade promised cut for her.

I think the whole family is heavily dependent on Wade. Chantal can still be a dance instructor but without Wade she cannot dream of big projects IMO. She's not that great and when you look at her professional career whenever she was linked to big names in the business it was always on the coattails of Wade - eg. being his assistant on tours for big name artists etc.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

From her lack of anger and emotion , it's very obvious she knows very well this is a lie.

As for Sir. Cliff, I pray this is another woke up call for the stupid masses to understand how easily people can be accused and framed. From the comments and outrage at BBC, I believe people are no longer that dumb.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Remember that video of him bragging about the Immortal show? I don't buy the son got sick story. We have heard rumors has to why he was replaced with Jamie King on the Britney tour and it seems after that his career just started going downhill. IMO again he thought that when Michael died this was his way of getting back into that he thought he would get all the jobs and when he did not. I was abused. And IMO it is the same thing with Patterson

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

And when it was all good yeah Michael was the man he never did anything. Now that he was down to teaching dance classes Michael is a monster

 

[dannyboy72]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

From her lack of anger and emotion , it's very obvious she knows very well this is a lie.

As for Sir. Cliff, I pray this is another woke up call for the stupid masses to understand how easily people can be accused and framed. From the comments and outrage at BBC, I believe people are no longer that dumb.

she could be limiting what she says because of fear of being attacked by MJ fans.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

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[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

she could be limiting what she says because of fear of being attacked by MJ fans.

Bullshit. That's why facebook and twitter pages can be made private. She wants to be attacked

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade and Safechuck's cases will get dismissed for 4 reasons:

2. No evidence to support claims

this will only be relevant at a later time, before trial, at a summary judgment motion - arguing that he cannot prove his claims. Plus as of now there's not any discovery done, it's hard for a judge to make assumptions about evidence.

3. Gave sworn testimony denying wrong doing

irrelevant to judge's ruling of any dismissal. It's a matter of credibility and most of the time judge will leave such determination to jurors.


as of now only the below seems to be the possibilities.

1. Statue of limitations

4. Jackson is no longer here to defend himself.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

she could be limiting what she says because of fear of being attacked by MJ fans.

this is the same excuse used by every liar from the chandlers to Diamond.

Rest assured no one buys such idiotic excuses. MJ's face book page has 80 + million while their could hardly attract thousands not to mention they had resorted to buy thousand of likes.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

she could be limiting what she says because of fear of being attacked by MJ fans.

Are you serious? She keeps posting crap about MJ, reposting tabloid articles with the most salacious and henious headlines and she's afraid of being attacked by MJ fans? Sorry, but the allegedly huge threat MJ fans pose to these people is nothing but a hater myth. The Chandlers, Dimond etc. tried to play this card and it was demonstrably BS. I don't know why fans of all people have to play this card as well.

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

as of now only the below seems to be the possibilities.

1. Statue of limitations

4. Jackson is no longer here to defend himself.

I go for option no 1 and hopefully the judge follow the law.
"Weitzman actually got Robson to admit in a deposition he KNEW about the guardianship dispute involving Michael's kids back in 2009 ... so his claim of ignorance just doesn't hold water."

Wade can claim memory loss or what ever he is claiming about molestation, but he cannot claim memory loss for not knowing estate being in probate.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Are you serious? She keeps posting crap about MJ, reposting tabloid articles with the most salacious and henious headlines and she's afraid of being attacked by MJ fans? Sorry, but the allegedly huge threat MJ fans pose to these people is nothing but a hater myth. The Chandlers, Dimond etc. tried to play this card and it was demonstrably BS. I don't know why fans of all people have to play this card as well.

well, no comment

 

[PoP]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I go for option no 1 and hopefully the judge follow the law.
"Weitzman actually got Robson to admit in a deposition he KNEW about the guardianship dispute involving Michael's kids back in 2009 ... so his claim of ignorance just doesn't hold water."

Wade can claim memory loss or what ever he is claiming about molestation, but he cannot claim memory loss for not knowing estate being in probate.

The judge better or else he/she is a complete idiot. I'm started to believe that Robson claimed his visits to the psychiatrist is a just a lie. He never went to visit to one and just plotting for his own good.

 

[mjjmsc]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

it's terrible what money can do! I hope the judge dismiss this claim, it is outrageous!

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I have heard the many of the British media is protective of Cliff Richard, they give him the benefit of doubt and they even say this may inspire bandwagon jumpers because Richard is wealthy etc., so people should be careful not to judge. Which is very well said, but unfortunately the standards are always so different for MJ. He is not even treated like a human.

Apparently cliff hired an ex news of the world editor to act as his pr when he got wind of the allegations last year. Agree, the difference in how sir cliff's case is being played out is so different to mj. Could be the perceptions of cliff - he seems v ordinary, man next door, no tabs interested in him,no scandal at all except he's never married which the media have tried to make a deal out it, and maybe it's something to do with the uk v usa, we look after our own 'national treasures' whilst overseas stars are fair game, idk. We've had politicians, top lawyers, media commentators even the daily mail, coming out criticising the police raid and the collusion with the bbc who filmed the whole event live. Talking about how unfair it is to trawl for evidence like this, how it will encourage bandwagon jumpers, how you're innocent before being declared guilty etc etc - it's so ironic in the light of what happened to mj, esp when you have the daily mail saying all this!(although i think they're just using it as an opportunity to bash the bbc who they hate).

 

[barbee0715]

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Again, I don't know that much about the case but it sounds to me they're all piling on the BBC since they supposedly covered up the Savile case. Smart to hire a News of the World editor. He would know how to attack tabloids.

 

[seany]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This is minor reg Chantal Robson but recently she posted she had been to a JT concert. I responded saying that I heard his covers of Heartbreak Hotel and Human Nature were great and she removed the comment.

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This is minor reg Chantal Robson but recently she posted she had been to a JT concert. I responded saying that I heard his covers of Heartbreak Hotel and Human Nature were great and she removed the comment.

Interesting. Also seems childish that she'd remove that comment. Did she unfriend or block you as well?

 

[seany]

Nope.

In fact I've just checked out her page and she's posted an event that had been created by her brother WR -

Vedic Meditation Introduction on Maui
Hosted by Wade Robson · Public

Maui, Hawaii. Central Location TBD.
24 September at 18:00–19:00 in UTC-10


About
The easiest and most profound meditation technique I have found. No local teachers on Maui. Our california teacher is offering this one time opportunity to learn this life changing technique!

RSVP for a FREE, 1 hour, NO OBLIGATION intro session + then decide if you want to learn the technique.

Vedic Meditation has had an incredibly positive effect on every aspect of our lives and now we can’t imagine living life without it. Since there are no Vedic Meditation teachers on Maui, we have invited Christian to come here to teach anyone who is interested! We are so excited to bring this opportunity to our family and friends and all of Maui.

WHAT IS IT?
Vedic Meditation is practiced for 20 minutes while sitting comfortably with eyes closed. One of the oldest forms of meditation, this time-tested technique effortlessly prompts a natural process of de-exciting the mind and resting the body at a rate considerably deeper than sleep. The profound rest experienced during meditation dissolves years of accumulated stress.

We were completely surprised at how easy it was to learn and practice. While other forms of meditation may require focus, concentration or contemplation, these activities can excite the mind. Vedic Meditation is renowned for being easy and effortless. Hundreds of scientific studies show that it is more effective than other meditation and relaxation techniques in releasing stress and promoting mental and physical well-being.

HOW DO I BEGIN?
If you are even the slightest bit interested, RSVP for a FREE, 1 hour, NO OBLIGATION intro session. Come to meet Christian, ask questions and learn how Vedic Meditation is taught and practiced.

We would do this on WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 24TH @ 6PM. Convenient location, TBD.

Then if you are inspired to learn, you can take Christian's meditation course. Courses are taught in four 90 minutes sessions over four consecutive days, and designed to fit around busy schedules. Each session includes a full 20 minute meditation.

HOW MUCH WILL IT COST?
There is no one set course fee. Instead, Christian follows a time-honored tradition where students determine their own course fee based on a sliding scale.

Course Fee and Yearly Income Breakdown
$250 course fee (yearly income of 25k or less)
$500 course fee (yearly income of 25k – 50k)
$750 course fee (yearly income of 50k – 100k
$1,000 course fee (yearly income of 100k +)

This system ensures the teaching is available to everyone.

Go to www.GreenTreeMeditation.com to learn more about Christian and Vedic Meditation.

If you are interested in the free, no obligation intro session, please RSVP.

 

[seany]

Also on his FB page (must be legit as CR is friends with him and sharing stuff from his profile page) - posted this on Tuesday 20th Aug:

Wade Robson‎Vedic Meditation Introduction on Maui
Tues · Los Angeles, CA, United States ·

So I don't have to join or worship a particular religion in order to meditate?

No. And you don't have to shave your head either - or wear funny clothes, change your name, sit in uncomfortable yoga positions, give away all of your possessions, be soft spoken or become a vegetarian. Whereas many meditation techniques are specifically designed by and for monks sitting in a cave, Vedic Meditation is for people engaged in the world - for people who have families, jobs, homes and things to do.

 

[seany]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He sounds like a pretty pathetic individual.

Also, CR is friends with loads of MJ related people incld MJ impersonators. It's so bizarre. WR and I have two mutual friends in common, one being Des Reid from the TII movie. He idolises MJ.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If I had a penny for each time he uses the word "profound" in his posts and certain other words such as "powerful", "insightful", "inspiring". Everything seems to be "extremely" (another pet word of his) powerful, profound and insightful in his world...

The way he writes ... he's just such a fake.

 

[seany]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Between him and CR, they don't seem to get very many likes or interests in their posts. You'd think with the recent news breaking there'd be a swarm of interest in his posts but you'd be lucky if a tumbleweed rolls by.

He's invited 39 people, none of whom I recognise as people in the public eye and 14 have stated they will be attending the event along with two maybes; one being his sister, who I doubt will actually attend. I mean who's going to pay her air fare from LA to Hawaii for a bloody one hour meditation meeting? Fcuking idiots.