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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I have seen the full messaging between them and to me it seems like he might not be aware of Wade's lawsuit.

first comment : very sad. Michael was about peace. not hatred.

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this no one thinks about it, if everyone left it alone, let him rest in peace etc, sounds like he's not aware of Robson's lawsuit. but the fan mentioned him "wade's lies". so then again who knows.

but then there's also "we love him for his art and music" sentence there.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I can't see how Vincent wouldn't know about it, it hasn't gotten a lot of press, but I would imagine the news would of spread like wildfire in the dance community since Wade was a part of that circle for a large part of his life.
 
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I have a hard time believing Vincent Paterson does not know about Robson's allegations. He is friends with Chantal on FB and whatever Chantal posts would appear on his wall. And Chantal did post about the allegations, not long ago she even put on a link to that horrible RadarOnline article with the headline that Robson claims MJ anally raped him.

There are people who always try to play for two crowds and maybe Vincent is one of them. And sorry but that thing about MJ being about peace is BS in this situation. Yes, Michael was a loving, peacful guy but that does not mean that people who use him as a punch bag and a way to get rich should be given a pass. There is no forgiveness for someone who does this to a friend. This is just the lowest of low behaviour that Wade displays, the worst kind of betrayal. Since Vincent brought up Jesus: not even Jesus forgave Judas...

I'm so annoyed when people try to use Michael's goodness to give a pass to all these evil backstabbers around him. Allegations like these caused Michael a lot of pain and people should realize how seriously harmful they are not make it look like MJ is obliged to take any crap from everyone just because he was a good guy.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I said perhaps he doesn't know based on the screencaps above but apparently there's more. but it still doesn't make sense.

The fan also said "they say you support Robson's lies about MJ" and "You know MJ wasn't a pedophile and you wouldn't support such horrible lies"

so the fan mentions that Robson is claiming MJ is a pedophile.

so then the last answer becomes even more so interesting. He states he doesn't think MJ is a pedophile. He says he isn't judge - meaning what? He can't or won't decide MJ or Robson telling the truth?. "No one I know thinks about that stuff" becomes a blatant lie as Chantal and Wade thinks and talks about it very recently - unless Vincent didn't see those. "If everyone left it alone it would go away" is also not possible, it's a lawsuit. Judge will decide if it'll go away or not. Our "leaving it alone" won't make a difference. "I wish everyone let him rest in peace" - uhmm does he tell this to Wade?

See this is the part that doesn't make sense."No one thinks about the other stuff" "if everyone left it alone it would go away" "I wish everyone let him rest in peace" etc sounds like he isn't aware but then he's also told about it. I dunno.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ I think he's just trying to get out of the situation but he does it in a pretty awkward way.

It's like he would like to eat the cake and still have it, like he has some type of cognitive dissonance about it. He does not want to cut the Robsons off as friends, but then he does not believe MJ was a pedophile. So how does he try to solve it? Strategies:

1) Pretend that you do not really know what the talk is about. (Since people have been actively asking him about it, he should have checked it out by now, at the very least.)

2) Say some BS about MJ being about peace, love and forgiveness. Is that supposed to give Wade a pass for the horrible, horrible things he is doing? People abuse ideas about peace, love and forgiveness so much. Peace, love and forgiveness does not mean one has to be totally without moral principles or that one has to be totally stupid and let himself or his loved ones be abused, trashed and slandered. That's not what it's about.
How can you be in peace about someone who is still on his plot at the very moment while we are speaking and spouts horrible, horrible lies about MJ? It's not MJ fans who do not leave the Robsons alone. It's the Robsons who do not leave Michael alone. They are plastering their horrible slander all over the internet - they proudly share tabloid articles with all the salaious details of their allegations. So how do the Robsons get a pass for all that? While MJ fans are being preached to about love and peace? So Michael should be a free target to be called all kind of henious and disgusting monster by these people, but "OMG some fans called them out and called them liars, OMG that's so horrible, those fans should learn about love and peace and what Michael was about". Hypocritical much?

3) Try to act like you do not want to get near any of this. All the "I wasn't in the room" type of cop outs, all the "I did not know him like that" type of cop outs. All the "I am only interested in the art and music" type of cop outs.


Vincent tried to use all of the three above strategies.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
To add, don't you think it's odd Chantal Robson has as fb friend to Michael's head wardrobe designer over 20 years, Michael Bush if she supports her scumbag brother so much?
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She has Jennifer Batten, Shan Mangatal, Taj Jackson, Geraldine Hughes (woman who wrote Redemption, Austin Brown there too, but I would think she followed everyone relating to MJ, and she had sent friend request before her brother came up with this blackmail scheme
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

No shit:no:

I thought Vincent would have been more aware of what is going on.

"If everyone left it alone, it would go away"
"Taking about it keeps it in the eye of the public"

I think we should start sending him all the articles that came from Wade's camp and how Chantal is spreading them too via her fb, so he will be aware that it won't go away.

I honestly cannot watch Bad 25 documentary with the same eyes than I did before. When I look him crying there, I see betrayal and not loyalty and tears are crocodile tears.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect said:
Say some BS about MJ being about peace, love and forgiveness. Is that supposed to give Wade a pass for the horrible, horrible things he is doing? People abuse ideas about peace, love and forgiveness so much. Peace, love and forgiveness does not mean one has to be totally without moral principles or that one has to be totally stupid and let himself or his loved ones be abused, trashed and slandered. That's not what it's about.
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I know! He writes MJ never sent any hatred to the newspapers? I guess he missed the constant burn the tabloid jackets and songs mj did - i can't think of any public figure who was so angry and so openly bashed the tabs as mj.

I re-read that post on facebook - i think it's crystal clear that paterson doesn't believe mj is a pedo, talking about how loving and peaceful mj was and how he just wanted to bring goodness into the world - doesn't really tally with someone who anally rapes a 7yr old boy. I think he's just thinking he can continue with his friendship with the robsons. But it's tough, for those that know both parties this is a case where there is no neutrality. Either you believe mj ruined wade's life or you believe wade is ruining mj's reputation and ppb's lives. And of course he's getting called out for it. But no way do i think he's turned on mj and doubts him and i don't really see why mj fans wd want to jump to those conclusions and turn this into some big betrayal. We know how haterz will want to portray it like that.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well I would say, it depends on who means more to him - Michael or Robson? Sure, Michael's not around, but I really don't get how someone who respects Michael can accept the situation with Robson.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

maybe he thinks raping children is OK, and can't see why people are bothered !!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He wants to bitch and cry about Travis not given him credit he wants to coddle up to Wade and his ****ed up sister. However, he still wants to do a doco about Michael and even asked the fans for there help. Which is not going to happen BTW so yes he is trying to play both sides
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Chantal constantly posts how "courageous" her bastard brother is to tell "the truth" and those disgusting tabloid reports, Paterson knows. People who plays for both crowds is hypocritical in my eyes. He betrayed the man and the artist who put him in the map in my eyes.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm very puzzled by this. I think maybe Vincent got caught out and then tried to backtrack.
He must be living under a rock not to know about wades claims. It's like he's playing both sides and hedging his bets. Folks better decide who's side they are on, and find the de friend button.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

ivy said:
I believe he is using that account as it posts quite a lot of information and PICTURES about his private life, work life etc.

I also have screenshot of Vincent Paterson, Cris Judd and Chucky Klapow (TII dancer) commenting on Wade's picture saying stuff like they love the photo, they miss him etc - which shows they are friendly with him.

Chucky Klapow is also quite interesting. He seems to be childhood /longtime friend of Wade. Tweeted support for Wade when the allegations first came out. Still friendly with Wade but also posts videos of Michael visiting HSM and dresses in MJ tshirts. I personally don't get how he could still be loving / a fan of MJ if he believes MJ raped his buddy.
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What's HSM?
 
High School Musical. Chucky Klapow was also a dancer / choreographer there. Around June 25th, Chucky released a video of MJ taking his kids to the backstage of HSM concert tour to meet the cast.

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Chucky also plays the middle ground.

He rt'd a support tweet

Chucky Klapow ‏@ChuckyKlapow
“@CarrieLock: I am sickened by the backlash. Understand sexual abuse before you spout off. Ignorance is not bliss#waderobson#supporter”

https://twitter.com/ChuckyKlapow/status/334964206203990016

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>&#8220;<a href="https://twitter.com/CarrieLock">@CarrieLock</a>: I am sickened by the backlash. Understand sexual abuse before you spout off. Ignorance is not bliss#waderobson#supporter&#8221;</p>&mdash; Chucky Klapow (@ChuckyKlapow) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChuckyKlapow/statuses/334964206203990016">May 16, 2013</a></blockquote>
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and then this

Chucky Klapow &#8207;@ChuckyKlapow

@BieberMJ1997 I haven't made a comment about it out of respect to everyone involved. Wade will be speaking on the Today show in a few hours.

https://twitter.com/ChuckyKlapow/status/334964926911221760

and then played he doesn't get why people are angry with him

Chucky Klapow &#8207;@ChuckyKlapow
I haven't made one statement regarding Wade out of respect to everyone involved. Where is all the hate coming from? #confused

https://twitter.com/ChuckyKlapow/status/335091800316448769

and this exchange

Soleil &#8207;@7soleil7 16 May 2013
@ChuckyKlapow I guess the #bliss#waderobson#supporter thing is understood that you support Wade Robson.

Chucky Klapow &#8207;@ChuckyKlapow 16 May 2013
@7soleil7 Oh! I see.. That was not my quote though. Sorry for the confusion.

https://twitter.com/ChuckyKlapow/status/335094440295280641
 
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ivy;4037589 said:
High School Musical. Chucky Klapow was also a dancer / choreographer there. Around June 25th, Chucky released a video of MJ taking his kids to the backstage of HSM concert tour to meet the cast.

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Chucky also plays the middle ground.

He rt'd a support tweet

Chucky Klapow &#8207;@ChuckyKlapow
“@CarrieLock: I am sickened by the backlash. Understand sexual abuse before you spout off. Ignorance is not bliss#waderobson#supporter”

https://twitter.com/ChuckyKlapow/status/334964206203990016

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>“<a href="https://twitter.com/CarrieLock">@CarrieLock</a>: I am sickened by the backlash. Understand sexual abuse before you spout off. Ignorance is not bliss#waderobson#supporter”</p>&mdash; Chucky Klapow (@ChuckyKlapow) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChuckyKlapow/statuses/334964206203990016">May 16, 2013</a></blockquote>
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and then this

Chucky Klapow &#8207;@ChuckyKlapow

@BieberMJ1997 I haven't made a comment about it out of respect to everyone involved. Wade will be speaking on the Today show in a few hours.

https://twitter.com/ChuckyKlapow/status/334964926911221760

and then played he doesn't get why people are angry with him

Chucky Klapow &#8207;@ChuckyKlapow
I haven't made one statement regarding Wade out of respect to everyone involved. Where is all the hate coming from? #confused

https://twitter.com/ChuckyKlapow/status/335091800316448769

and this exchange

Soleil &#8207;@7soleil7 16 May 2013
@ChuckyKlapow I guess the #bliss#waderobson#supporter thing is understood that you support Wade Robson.

Chucky Klapow &#8207;@ChuckyKlapow 16 May 2013
@7soleil7 Oh! I see.. That was not my quote though. Sorry for the confusion.

https://twitter.com/ChuckyKlapow/status/335094440295280641
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He seems a bit all over the place doesn't he? I don't mean to be rude but after I saw him on TII film, I always thought he was a bit... Ditzy... Like things just go a bit 'wooosh' over his head...
 
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Wade's sister pisses me off. Your brother is not "courageous" and isn't telling the truth either, there's plenty of evidence of that in his own law suit. It makes me wonder whether or not she's actually bothered to read through it. I bet she thinks MJ supporters are just blind fans since people love to slap that label on us, but we've got evidence of Wade's lies so that label isn't accurate. I'd love to be a fly on the wall to hear the lies he's told her privately!
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

someone needs to ask her where was her brother so call courageousness in 2005
 
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Justthefacts said:
someone needs to ask her where was her brother so call courageousness in 2005
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It's funny how some people are suddenly ''brave and courageous'' once money is involved
 
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Justthefacts said:
someone needs to ask her where was her brother so call courageousness in 2005
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She'll probably just say he was too scared/brainwashed to come forward, despite the fact that just about everyone would've happily sided with him and protected him if he had come forward back then since Michael was the most hated person on the planet that year.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Trust me on this one, she does not believe he was molested nor her mother. But he is their family.
 
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Did she ever call MJ a monster or anything like that ? all she does is repost what others say.Did she express any kind of outrage toward MJ who supposedly raped her brother ? It seems she wants to support her brother but knows very well how wrong everything is.
 
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seany said:
He seems a bit all over the place doesn't he?
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Yes he is. This was right after the news about Wade's allegations first broke and Chucky RT'd a tweet about backlash Wade was experiencing. He later tried to distance himself from it by saying "not my quote" but why would anyone RT something they don't agree with?

However Chucky isn't as surprising as Vincent. Chucky is long time friends with Wade going back to their childhood. Although he was a dancer at TII probably his direct interaction with Michael was limited. So it would make sense that he would side with his friend. But Vincent though?
 
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Soundmind said:
Did she ever call MJ a monster or anything like that ? all she does is repost what others say.Did she express any kind of outrage toward MJ who supposedly raped her brother ? It seems she wants to support her brother but knows very well how wrong everything is.
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Remember that initial TMZ article where Wade's lawyer called MJ a monster? Chantal reposted that article on her FB but almost being apologetic about it, pointing out that "these are not my words". I found that very odd. Why would you care to point out calling him a monster are not your words when you supposedly found out your brother had been raped by that guy for 7 years?

I keep wondering if his family knows it's a scam or they too are mislead by Wade, but I lean towards they know it's a scam, at least Amanda, Chantal and Joy. About the cousin, I'm not sure, he just sounds not very smart who just uncritically parrots and buys whatever Wade is telling him. But of course it's hard to be critical with family members - you are naturally biased for them and inclined to believe them.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The question the jury will have to ask themselves is "was he lying then or is he lying now?" In my opinion, Wade lost all credibility when he claimed that molestation occurred the second night he stayed at neverland and continued on every night throughout the 2 week visit. That is obviously a lie considering how pedophiles work. If he's lying about that then you have to wonder what else is he lying about? and why would he feel the need to lie if these events really occurred? So yeah, I will say he's lying now.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade and Safechuck's cases will get dismissed for 4 reasons:

1. Statue of limitations

2. No evidence to support claims

3. Gave sworn testimony denying wrong doing

4. Jackson is no longer here to defend himself.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

dannyboy72 said:
Wade and Safechuck's cases will get dismissed for 4 reasons:

1. Statue of limitations

2. No evidence to support claims

3. Gave sworn testimony denying wrong doing

4. Jackson is no longer here to defend himself.
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Well when it comes to Michael Jackson all sensibilities seem to fly through the window. I sincerely hope these cases do get dismissed, but as in life and now in death there just seems to be a need to dehumanize and ridicule him.

I'm just tired, tired of all this foolishness.
 
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ExoticPrincess said:
Well when it comes to Michael Jackson all sensibilities seem to fly through the window. I sincerely hope these cases do get dismissed, but as in life and now in death there just seems to be a need to dehumanize and ridicule him.

I'm just tired, tired of all this foolishness.
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It will most certainly get dismissed. How can you prove abuse that supposedly occurred over 20 years ago and without a defendant? Even if it does get thrown out, the damage on MJ's legacy will not be erased. There are a lot of people who believe these men. I've read so many comments saying "there are way too many accusers and allegations for them to all be lying" and so on. These allegations are really destroying his legacy.
 
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