[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

In 2005 MJ went through hell, but no one could ever claim he paid off Arvizo thus got off. While in 1993 , he avoided a trial but still until this day suffers from the decision to settle.

I still can't believe some fans prefer settlements in such cases.

Michael didn't avoid a trial in 1993. It was The Chandlers who avoided a criminal trial. They took the money and ran
 
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Michael never avoided the trial in 1993, reasons being.

1. Evan Chandler filed a civil lawsuit against Michael in the first few weeks of the criminal investigation.

2. There was "NO" criminal trial for Michael to avoid as the settlement was for a civil trial

3. If Michael had gone ahead with any civil trial, not only would he have lost his rights to plead 5th Amendment in any criminal trial, the prosecution would know what Michael's legal teams defense strategy.

This civil lawsuit left Michael and his legal team in a very difficult position. The reason for the settlement was so Michael could focus on the the criminal investigation which potentially involved Michael facing jail. The civil lawsuit just involved Michael losing money (but sadly it did end ruining his reputation). And anyone who was actually around in 1994 when this settlement was made, will remember that before the media "rewrote history" this out court settlement was seen as good an positive move for Michael buy the media. They only turned against Michael with this settlement when he married Lisa Marie Presley, then started twisting what happened saying it was a "pay off", and not separating the civil lawsuit from the criminal investigation.

Also it's forgotten the amount of pressure Michael was under, he was under investigation not just by Tom Sneddon's SBPD, but also by the LAPD. Plus he had potential lawsuits from promoters of concerts for he had to cancel from the 2nd leg of the Dangerous Tour due to this Chandler abuse lie, blackmail and extortion.

4. No one knows exactly who made the approach to settle out of court, due to USA legal rules. It's obvious Michael and his legal team (lawyer Burt Fields, who resigned) didn't want to face the civil lawsuit due to the loss of rights Michael would face in any criminal trial. And Michael's legal team did try to get the civil lawsuit delayed for a few years without success. But that doesn't mean Michael and his legal team approached the Chandler's and offered them an out of court settlement, as it could easily have been the other way around. As it's a known fact that the deeper the criminal investigation got, the more worried the Chandler's were of testifying in a criminal trial.

Another fact that is often over looked, is the fact that Michael's lead lawyer in this settlement Johnnie Cochran was friends with the Chandler's civil lawsuit lawyer Larry Feldman. That is something I find troubling, a win win for both lawyers but not for Michael!

Apart from the fact that it is legally acknowledge Michael made an out of court settlement to stop a civil trial. The only other thing allowed to legally be acknowledged about this settlement, is that Michael was allowed to say in public is was innocent of claims of child abuse against Jordan Chandler. And by USA law neither side was allowed to state the facts of the civil settlement, if they did then one side could sue the other, and this made it more difficult for Michael to fully defend himself for reasons he paid a settlement in the media. But once again he was allowed to state the fact he was innocent of the claim made against him of child abuse.

5. After this out of civil court settlement made by Michael and his legal team, civil court cases where no longer allowed to be made until after a criminal trial etc by California law.

6. After the out of court civil settlement was made. Michael was still under police investigation would could result in a criminal trial and jail. The Chandler's by their own doing decided to no longer co-operate with the police and criminal investigation. But the police could force Jordan Chandler to appear as a witness in any criminal trail. Also Michael was never charged by the police for the 1993 child abuse allegations made by Jordan Chandler.

Michael was cleared by a Grand Jury around October 1994 after a 3 month hearing of evidence to which Jordan Chandler could have been forced to have appear at if the police had strong evidence against Michael of which they had none.

7. It's obvious from the actions of the Chandler's from the start of the criminal investigation to the civil lawsuit settlement in January 1994 (when the police hadn't even finished their criminal investigation) that the Chandler's were only ever interested in money. Michael never avoided anything, he was pushed in to a corner by a very cleaver extortion plan, which the Chandler's sadly succeeded at getting $Millions from Michael and tarnishing his good name, just as that telephone recording of Evan Chandler states.

It's easy in retrospect to say Michael should have fought the civil trial, as that's what we all think now and even Michael said he regretted making the civil settlement. But it's obvious he was under intense pressure from the separate criminal investigation, he didn't have a good manager on Sandy Gallin (can't remember how to spell his surname), and it doesn't look like he got the best legal advice. But he was really put in a hard place having the potential loss of his civil rights and defense strategy being exposed to the prosecution in any criminal trial. And I'm sure that is the reason his legal team advised or told him to settle the civil lawsuit.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

OMG, I did not know all that :smilerolleyes:
 
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Michael didn't avoid a trial in 1993. It was The Chandlers who avoided a criminal trial. They took the money and ran

Yeah, Michael wanted to fight the allegations and put to trial but his lawyers and advisors wanted him to settle the Chandlers against Michael's decision and when the settlement has been made and yeah they ran off and refuses to go further. Damn those cowards/leeches.
 
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Nor do I.

Anyone who went through 1993 and 2005 and knows the deal with these allegations will not be so easily swayed by Robson and Safechuck. I guess there were a lot of bandwagon fans after MJ's death and those may be the ones who are so easily impressed by lies. But anyone who knows the real deal with these allegations won't be swayed just because they see Robson on Today's Show or just because Safechuck claims something. Fans who went through 1993 and 2005 know better than to believe an allegation just because someone claims something.

And those bandwagon fans would flip back in support of Michael in a heartbeat if it suited them.
 
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Very interesting. It also makes me feel sick to think that these people are likely from my country.

No worries. Every country have their share of jackasses.
 
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especially this one
 
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I have a question:

What was the reason the photo of Michaels genitals couldn`t be shown in court in 2005?
 
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I have a question:

What was the reason the photo of Michaels genitals couldn`t be shown in court in 2005?

Jordan did not testify and could not be cross-examined about it. Besides the prosecution tried to introduce it only as a last minute desperate attempt.
 
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also, it wouldn't have proved anything anyway because the pictures didn't match Jordan's description. All it would have done was humiliate MJ which is what all the allegations were about. Period. Humiliate him to such a degree that he'd settle again, perhaps.

In essence, Sneddon threatening to use those photos and that there was ANY evidence tied to them was a bluff.


Also "fans" who are doubting MJ cuz of these claims are really flakey. When I first heard of this I was shocked, but seeing as though Wade testified in MJ's criminal trial, no one should be jumping ship THAT easily. Its the same old same old, just like when MJ was alive. Someone makes a claim, you INVESTIGATE, you get the FACTS...wash, rinse and repeat. That should be like an oath for all fans entering the fandom. lol
 
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You can't settle a criminal case so that would never have worked but I have no doubt trying to get those photos in was just a humiliation attempt. Had he succeeded I bet someone would have found a way to "accidentally" leak them publicly. I still worry about that happening one day, especially since medical information about MJ has been leaked. The wrong person with access to things can be very dangerous.
 
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If Sneddon had been really serious about those photos he would have tried to introduce it at the beginning of the prior bad acts part of the trial. The fact that he only tried to introduce it at the very end, after both the Arvizo case and his prior bad acts case fell apart, speaks volumes. It was just a desperate act to try to humiliate MJ.
 
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He knew it was never going to be entered into evidence and even if it was entered it would have proved absolutely nothing. But if you followed the trial in 2004 and 2003 , you would understand how Sneddon tried his case. His motions were filled with complete lies mixed with half truths, he was trying his case in the media.

One of thousand examples : the prosecution filed a motion stating they had a book which needed to be admissible as it contained photographs of naked men in addition to photographs of young boys, that this evidence would be an illustration of MJ's perverted interest in young boys and nude men. What they failed to mention that was an art book for a famous photographer who happened to document all his photo-shoots in one book he sent a sample of to MJ to check his work, besides it contained photo-shot of Liz Taylor among many other celebrities and those "young boys" were none but the JACKSON 5.


Sneddon got what he wanted, he managed to go on record in a court of law in front of everyone knowing fully well he won't be challenged ( as there was ZERO chance they would be admissible) that those pictures matched Jordan's description, he got the headlines he needed at the time before the jury went into deliberation.

That man never believed MJ did anything wrong, Sneddon is a pure EVIL mad dog.
 
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Every day you learn something new. I wasn't aware about Michael losing his rights on the civil trial and the strategy of his legal team being exposed. It makes sense why he was adviced to settle but in retrospective whatever decision he made, he'd lose. The only winners were those SOB Chandlers and lawyers from both sides. It really seems having to face a civil trial first was the best thing it could've ever happened to the Chandlers to get away with murder. I was aware the Grand Jury cleared Michael but I didn't know the investigations continued way after the settlement was made, it frustrates me it's widely ignored and overlooked the fact he settled, it didn't save Michael from facing a criminal trial.
 
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He knew it was never going to be entered into evidence and even if it was entered it would have proved absolutely nothing. But if you followed the trial in 2004 and 2003 , you would understand how Sneddon tried his case. His motions were filled with complete lies mixed with half truths, he was trying his case in the media.

One of thousand examples : the prosecution filed a motion stating they had a book which needed to be admissible as it contained photographs of naked men in addition to photographs of young boys, that this evidence would be an illustration of MJ's perverted interest in young boys and nude men. What they failed to mention that was an art book for a famous photographer who happened to document all his photo-shoots in one book he sent a sample of to MJ to check his work, besides it contained photo-shot of Liz Taylor among many other celebrities and those "young boys" were no one but the JACKSON 5.


Sneddon got what he wanted, he managed to go on record in a court of law in front of everyone knowing fully well he won't be challenged ( as there was ZERO chance they would be admissible) that those pictures matched Jordan's description, he got the headlines he needed at the time before the jury went into deliberation.

That man never believed MJ did anything wrong, Sneddon is a pure EVIL mad dog.

That's probably the reason many haters believe the police found child pornograpy when Neverland was raid. However they fail to mention not only it was an art book but also possessing those kind of pictures is a federal crime, the FBI would have arrested him and and he would have been convicted. It makes me feel so mad that bastard snake didn't face any charge or consequence for his personal vendetta against Michael and his acts of corruption while Michael's reputation and good name continues to be tarnished, Sneddon is the real criminal, not MJ. The media knows what happened in 1993 and 2005, the reasons why Michael settled and both allegations were vile scams to extort money from him but it's easier to distort the truth because the truth doesn't generate billions of dollars to destroy someone's life.
 
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And anyone who was actually around in 1994 when this settlement was made, will remember that before the media "rewrote history" this out court settlement was seen as good an positive move for Michael buy the media. They only turned against Michael with this settlement when he married Lisa Marie Presley, then started twisting what happened saying it was a "pay off", and not separating the civil lawsuit from the criminal investigation..

Is this true, media reported first it was a good move?
 
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To this day i still believe it was a bad move for Michael because when Michael settle out of court it made him look guilty even if the money was paid by the insurance company Michael want to take it to court but his lawyers said no he must move on didn't have time to be tie up in court. IMO if Michael would have took it to court he would have won there was no proof it was all lies as you see today you would not have seen 2003.
 
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I was 8 years old in 1994 too young to understand the severity of that allegation, I just remember there wasn't bad press before Michael came to Mexico and during his visit but after he left the country for going to rehab, he was being treated like a criminal and it continues. I might be wrong after the settlement was made.
 
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I was 8 years old in 1994 too young to understand the severity of that allegation, I just remember there wasn't bad press before Michael came to Mexico and during his visit but after he left the country for going to rehab, he was being treated like a criminal and it continues. I might be wrong after the settlement was made.




You are so right after Michael settle he got the bad press.

It sad Chandler had no proof that Michael abuse his son and the same with Wade no proof.
 
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Sorry I have to shake with the head. When Meserau thinks he has a important message for the Estate why doesn`t he contact him and ask for a date.


https://www.facebook.com/deborahkunesh/posts/10152673974541310

Deborah L. Kunesh
25. August um 20:03 ·

Due to some fan concerns that the estate may try to settle again and Mr Mesereau stating that this is his concern also due to the past '93 settlement, fans have started a petition to the Estate of Michael Jackson, to appeal to them that they need to contact Mr. Mesereau to hire him as the defense attorney for this upcoming case. Mr. Mesereau did not voice anything against the petition to me personally and on recent interviews, Mr. Mesereau stated that he would be open to the Estate of Michael Jackson contacting him for advice on the case.

One of the concerns in some of the fan base, was Mr. Mesereau needing to be aware of this petition and also the concern that this may put him in an awkward position with MJ's estate. So I was asked to make him aware of this petition.

Mr. Mesereau stated to me, the following:

"I speak my mind and I'm not concerned with what the estate may think. When they do great things, I support them and acknowledge that. When they do things that I think are a mistake, then I say so as well." Mr. Mesereau went on to say that he feels that settling this case would be a mistake but that he fears this may happen due to past history and other factors.

One suggestion I may make I woud suggest maybe a complete rewording of the petition to more effectively communicate the fan's desires in a way that will come across professional and in the heart-felt manner in which it was created. As it currently stands, it may come across in the wrong way and be ineffective.~

MJ Brookins William J. Wagener Kerry Anderson Gregory Son Dana Gedrick King Jordan
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He needs to shut up. No where is the estate talking about a settlement. In fact I swore Howard said that's not going to happen. Nothing for nothing I don't care what he thinks
 
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He might have contacted the estate, but even if he didn't its not really his place to do so. They know who Mesereau is, and if they wanted him on board they would have contacted HIM.

But hey who knows, maybe they won't settle after all. I don't think we've gotten that far yet.

....And I absolutely do NOT think Mez needs to "shut up," I think Mez has earned the right to say what he wants when it comes to Michael Jackson considering what he's done for him, even just on a legal standpoint. And I think its reasonable for him to have the concern he has. MJ's team and advisors have settled TONS of civil suits to make them 'go away', not just the 93 case (and not just related to any molestation claims) - its a habit that people have mooched off of especially later in his life.
 
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He might have contacted the estate, but even if he didn't its not really his place to do so. They know who Mesereau is, and if they wanted him on board they would have contacted HIM.

But hey who knows, maybe they won't settle after all. I don't think we've gotten that far yet.

....And I absolutely do NOT think Mez needs to "shut up," I think Mez has earned the right to say what he wants when it comes to Michael Jackson considering what he's done for him, even just on a legal standpoint. And I think its reasonable for him to have the concern he has. MJ's team and advisors have settled TONS of civil suits to make them 'go away', not just the 93 case (and not just related to any molestation claims) - its a habit that people have mooched off of especially later in his life.



No he has not earned the right to cause hysteria in the fan community. We all appreciate the work he did in 05 and his kind words afterwards. But he should not be saying what he thinks because has Ivy said Wade's lawyers could be looking at it thinking they have chance for a settlement. And he is undercutting what Weitzman said about there not being one. He's clearly feeling some type of way about something and he needs to handle it in private
 
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I will always be thankful for some of the things Tom has done during the trial and years after, he did an impeccable job as Michael's attorney but it doesn't mean everything he does or says is right and ok. Some of those things weren't appropriate. The settlement won't happen, the proof was that disgusting tabloid campaign Robson came up recently to put pressure to the Estate to settle.
 
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And you know what? You never know who could be hearing him say this and think, he thinks they will get a settlement maybe I should say something
 
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Now I REALLY don't get why we're jumping down Mez's back for stating the truth though. Its not like his suspicions are coming out of thin air and his words AREN'T creating "hysteria" in the fan community, the FAN COMMUNITY is creating hysteria in the fan community (as usual).

He's stating what he reasonably believes is true. He never said that it was definite that they will settle. He says he has reason to BELIEVE they will settle based on the fact that usually they DID settle. Its the truth, you can even look it up lol. This is nothing that Wade's lawyers don't already know and Mez is not giving out any sensitive info that isn't prior knowledge. Moreover, he's letting the public know of the strategy Wade's lawyers are trying to pull and WHY MJ had been taken advantage of all these years and WHY people like Wade keep popping up.

I'm not saying that because what Mez did in 05 gives him the right to speak, I'm saying his expertise in not just legal matters in general, but him having studied Michael Jackson's legal matters gives him the right to speak on this issue in particular.
 
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And they saw what settling did to Michael. He's assuming that Branca who had nothing do with the statement and McClain who again had nothing to do with the settlement would make the same mistake
 
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I do not feel it is a smart moove from T. Meserau or helpful for Michael and the Estate. Meserau spreads panic in the MJ-fan-base, there will be a settlement and he will call the Robson-supproter and maybe the press on the plan, which will claim it is a settlement in plan.
The Estate is currently working about to dismiss the case and not to settle anything.
 
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I honestly think the fans throw panic by themselves, Mez has nothing to do with it. Fans were throwing around the possibility of a settlement before Mez opened his mouth about it. He just happened to have the same concerns as some fans do.

And honestly just because Branca wasn't on the same team back in 93, it wasn't just about 93. It was throughout MJ's life. Civil cases, from frivolous to very serious have been settled constantly. Mostly for the same reasons. Whether Branca had something to do with it then has nothing to do with the likelihood of him following the same pattern now. So we'll see.

It is our CHOICE to panic about stuff that hasn't come into fruition yet. But its not a bad idea to cover our bases if that petition even helps.
 
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