[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You gotta love how humble he is:

They said this bout wade?????..bwhahahahahaha in wade's dream!

 

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

actually both Estate and Wade wanted it sealed, judge wanted it redacted. The reason is public do have a right to access information . Supreme courts have ruled public can have access to the court documents.

Ok but i have never thought the public "have a right" to the info cuz like i said it is quite a personal matter but anyway thanks for explaining

 

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade's an American citizen and has every right for his case to be heard, just like Gavin, the Jacksons and AEG, and Michael. At this point, I don't think the judge has decided ANYTHING...just that it's the public's right to know what those documents say. He hasn't decided to throw it out or proceed just yet. This is also the judge who has handled every other claim made regarding the Estate...he knows what he's doing. As sucky as it is, it's Wade's right to have "his side" heard in a court of law. The judge is just doing his job. It really really sucks but the judge has to have probable cause to just throw it out and at this point, I'm sure the judge thinks Robson's making an "interesting case"

This case "interesting" more like a bunch of lies!

 

[peace.love.mj]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^I agree completely but I was saying that the judge probably finds it interesting. He has to be completely objective and look at the facts. Which, hopefully when he does, he'll realize that the case is bogus and throw it out.

 

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^I agree completely but I was saying that the judge probably finds it interesting. He has to be completely objective and look at the facts. Which, hopefully when he does, he'll realize that the case is bogus and throw it out.

I dont see what is so interesting bout this case all i see is :crazy:

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You are talking about Jonathan who made a comment on Yahoo answers?

Jonathan has also been talking to the UFO obsessed fruit-loop who made the Supporting Wade Robson page on facebook.

Here are his comments:


Thursday 27th June "I know what you mean Caroline, his FB page was pretty hard for me to read. I hope to think that he hasn't seen it, its probably the worst comments I've seen around the web. He did mention watching Alfonso Ribeiro's comments on his allegations (said that is the same joke he used to make), but I am hoping he only really keeps an eye on TMZ. I have been meaning to build up the courage to ask him what he has looked at.

In any case, he recently emailed photo's of his new life in Maui, it looks like he is doing well."





June 8th - "I agree Jasmine, probably contributed, especially the reported bullying, yet Wade can't be blamed for revealing the truth about what went on (which I have spoken to him personally about). It seems clear that there is a lot of dysfunction in the Jackson Family. I am just so upset for the possibility of the cycle of dysfunction continuing to be past to the next generation. "

June 20th -"Its good to hear Wade is helping some people, I will pass it along to him. I was never abused but seeing how hard it was for him to speak about it helped me realise shame in my own life. Feeling shame doesn't mean you have done something wrong.

Wade said that this video helped him speak about it for the first time - http://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_on_vulnerability.html "

June 20th - "It is definitely interesting to see how people respond to allegations of abuse, it seems to go the same way time and time again where the victim is vilified. I don't have an answer for why it is so hard for people accept, probably something to do with who we are as human beings, and not likely to change any time soon.

I think the best thing that we can do for those of us with a little bit of insight is to be completely accepting of other, and let others know what we will be completely accepting of things they feel vulnerable about."

They make me wanna puke.

"I agree Jasmine, probably contributed, especially the reported bullying, yet Wade can't be blamed for revealing the truth about what went on

Yeah, Wade can't be blamed for this f*ckery but Michael can be blamed for why Wade did not become a greater director than Spielberg. Got it.

June 20th - "It is definitely interesting to see how people respond to allegations of abuse, it seems to go the same way time and time again where the victim is vilified. I don't have an answer for why it is so hard for people accept, probably something to do with who we are as human beings, and not likely to change any time soon.

I think the best thing that we can do for those of us with a little bit of insight is to be completely accepting of other, and let others know what we will be completely accepting of things they feel vulnerable about."

Cry me a river! It's actually the contrary! People pretty easily believe such allegations (especially about MJ). It's pretty easy to vilify people with such allegations. But Wade is a proven liar either way. His actions ooze money grab. His filings are full of ridiculous claims. To believe his story people are supposed to believe that until May 2012, the age of 29, he did not know the difference between love and sexual abuse. People are supposed to believe stuff like he did not know about the administration of the Estate until this March.

And they wonder why people don't believe him? Geez! The nerve of these people.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's the perfect storm, isn't it? Michael encourages a talented kid, tells him to shoot for the moon, and it goes to his head. When things don't turn out the way Wade fantasizes, he has a breakdown. He turns to a form of therapy that encourages him to believe his screwups are the fault of his childhood experiences, and Michael just has to be guilty, because nothing else could explain how the meteoric career trajectory of this budding international superstar, who's talented in so many ways that numbers enough have not been invented to count them all, could have come to such a screeching halt.

You summed it up perfectly.

 

[CaptainEoLove85]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm sure Michael told Wade to aspire to be the next Steven Spielberg, "study the greats and become greater" thing, but it's not as though Michael had a crystal ball telling him Wade's future lol. Wade's failings are all on himself, but no it must be Michael's fault. Perhaps Wade's really bitter over that and not getting the Cirque gig. But it all must be Michael's fault because he was his mentor :smilerolleyes: People can often be reluctant to blame themselves for anything, it's always another's fault. And the rest of it...the allegations is just attacking Michael (and his kids) in the worst way.

I was pretty mad last night about the new info in the documents, but it's still so ridiculous :doh:

 

[Lil]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That's interesting, but I don't think Wade is suffering from "placebo insights". He knows he's full of it. His actions are WAY too calculated to be any kind of coincidence. The therapy is just a cover-up to look more legitimate, didn't the other "victims" do this too?

Yeah I get why you feel that way.. unfortunately fact is we'll never know why Wade is doing what he's doing. I will never understand him but I'm trying to look at everything he's been doing to see if I can figure out why any human being would come to do what he does. I know this has happened before but imo this case is totally different then the Chandler and Arvizo ones.. they just came around and saw a quick buck to be made off of somebody they probably never even really cared for to begin with. But he's been a 'friend' of Michael's all his life.. it's just so cruel.
He could have had a mental breakdown due to personal issues, which made him seek out this type of therapy. Your mind is a powerful thing, it can make you believe whatever you want to believe. Maybe the abuse option was raised during these therapy sessions and Wade clings on to it for dear life, as the perfect explanation for every single problem in his life.. Either something like that or he's just a real sick, twisted, evil motherf**ker.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So disgusting this cousin chooses to speak about Paris at all. He can **** off with speaking about the "dysfunction" moving into the other generation, as if he knows anything about the reality of her life. Her dysfunction is forced onto her by freaks like this.

Ugh. These people are so self involved it's disgusting. I really hope they suffer and continue to suffer. I have no sympathy or pity for any of them. Utter revulsion.

 

[shelly_webster]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So disgusting this cousin chooses to speak about Paris at all. He can **** off with speaking about the "dysfunction" moving into the other generation, as if he knows anything about the reality of her life. Her dysfunction is forced onto her by freaks like this.

Ugh. These people are so self involved it's disgusting. I really hope they suffer and continue to suffer. I have no sympathy or pity for any of them. Utter revulsion.

Because the Robsons have something to say about dysfunction. The father allegedly committed suicide because he thought Wade was molested but never said anything. I am not even talking about mother of the year Joy Robson.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Virtually no other individual to date in the entertainment industry has achieved success in so many diverse areas."

LOL is he talking about mike.nutjob needs a straight jacket

he seems to have a habit of using dead ppl for his agenda. classy very classy.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm sure Michael told Wade to aspire to be the next Steven Spielberg, "study the greats and become greater" thing, but it's not as though Michael had a crystal ball telling him Wade's future lol. Wade's failings are all on himself, but no it must be Michael's fault. Perhaps Wade's really bitter over that and not getting the Cirque gig. But it all must be Michael's fault because he was his mentor :smilerolleyes: People can often be reluctant to blame themselves for anything, it's always another's fault. And the rest of it...the allegations is just attacking Michael (and his kids) in the worst way.

I was pretty mad last night about the new info in the documents, but it's still so ridiculous :doh:

I think it's a mixture of several factors. Greed first, but I also see a kind of vindictiveness and arrogance in his demeanor when he talks. IMO in his mind he found a way to blame Michael for his problems. He just needs a scapegoat without having to blame himself for any of his problems. From that document it seems to me he wants to say that the reason his career stalled was that Michael put a pressure on him by predicting he would achieve big things - a pressure that broke him eventually. Maybe he really believes that. Maybe in his mind he justifies the false allegations that he's making by thinking that since it was Michael who put that pressure on him that broke his career (in his mind), MJ's to blame for his problems so he needs to pay for them. But you cannot sue someone for predicting to you as a child that you would be great in something. However you can sue for child sexual abuse...

But then maybe I'm overthinking it and it's nothing but just a cynical money grab and there's nothing more behind it. Money in itself is enough of a motivation for a lot of people to do all kinds of ugly.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Because the Robsons have something to say about dysfunction. The father allegedly committed suicide because he thought Wade was molested but never said anything. I am not even talking about mother of the year Joy Robson.

Exactly. And in their world of functionality they had a kid who let a child molester get off TWICE and is now only coming forwards so he can get millions and millions of dollars for a better life for himself.

As of right now I can believe this is a product of mental illness. His father suffered from manic depression which can be inherited, his document seems to reflect something like that with delusions of grandeur from Wade about his status in the industry and how he was "invincible" as he worked, then having two breakdowns which could be related to manic depression, then of course the whole "prophecy" thing, psychosis in mental illness generally involves weird grandiose things like that...

I predict Wade's situation is going to get uglier, for himself and his family, and I have no sympathy for any of them.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Obviously the reason he's doing that shit is money but why doing it right now and not in 2005 for example? I mean knowing he had against him he spent 20 years praising Michael and defended him under oath twice vuluntarely to begin with. That's something I won't get...

 

[wednesday]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It has gradually gotten worse. First you have a young boy who was forced to lie and turn against an idol of his by his own father. Then you have a slightly older boy who had cancer and turned to Michael for help and joined his mother and siblings in outrageous claims against Michael. And finally we have come to a grown man who has known Michael for years and is a father himself going on television shows telling these lies directly into other people's faces without ever flinching.

In my opinion Wade Robson is a very disturbed and dangerous individual. Very, very disturbed and dangerous!

 

[bouee]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So Wade's dad unfortunately killed himself in 2002. Chantal knew it was possibly because Wade had been molested.
In 2002 ???
Did I get this right ?

 

[MattyJam]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade certainly has a high opinion of himself. Certainly doesn't seem to suffer from low self-esteem from everything I've read from those court documents.

 

[MattyJam]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I dedicate the lyrics of this song to Mr Wade Robson:

"Easy money, easy money,
Rain it down on the wife and the kids
Rain it down on this house where we live
Rain it till you've got nothing left to give
Just rain that ever-loving stuff down on me"

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So Wade's dad unfortunately killed himself in 2002. Chantal knew it was possibly because Wade had been molested.
In 2002 ???
Did I get this right ?

Not Chantal. I think it was the sister of Wade's father.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So he said when he was a kid he never said anything because he was embarrassed but as an adult he didn't know? And boy I can't wait to hear about all of those Oscars and grammys he won

 

[qbee]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Please know the Estate already has access to this thread -through the Mjonline team. They were asked to pass it on and and acknowledged. I know you mean well, but Please let's not post Estate Attorney Weitzman's email and phone number here giving easy access and asking fans to contact him. I know its available on the web but making it readily available on a MJ fan base asking fans them to contact him can cause it to be spammed and abused if in the wrong hands. That will only make it harder for Estate to do their job. We don't want to hinder them. If anyone really needs it , they can google it.

 

[Moonwalker.Fan]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

anyway, mj fans are confronting with the abnormal hate for defenfing MJ, for the haters its like a puzzle game, a textbook of a pedophile profile. that damage has been done since 2003 and the 2005 trial. BUT now... MJ fans have to very active imo, for many haters on the net defending MJ it is almost a crime though we have many factual tenable points and conclusions, and the docs, interviews and videos proving it.

imo it would be better to get rid of any MJ pics of your profiles on FB or Twitter or whatever social net accounts or create new ones, because you are recognized as the MJ fan, and everything you are using in defending MJ on the net is considered you are a biased, one-sided, wacky MJ fan who is defending a pedo - just see the discussions on articles what it means.

We have got used to be attacked... why we defend a man who slept with boys repeatedly, on an regular basis (unfortunately MJ did this), but we have to have only rational and factual arguments not why he slept with the boys, (which is not excusable and unfortunately, even MJ (and his fans) has to face the fact that its very suspicious and there is the reasonable doubt...), BUT THE ARGUMENTS ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF ANY ALLEGATIONS AND THE BACKGROUND OF THE SO.CALLED VICTIMS, as I said before, there is the same scheme, the same storyline, the same nonsensical timeline of reportedly molestation and sex. abuse....

Dont defend MJ for sleeping with the boys, his never having childhood, his charitable efforts, his kindness to children or anything children related...
The fact is that there is no excuse for MJ being MJ sleeping with the kids/boys that were not his....

WRs claims are nothing but BS, and we have to focus on this BS=circumstances and background of his claims, we have to be active on the net...

(I admit copying some of the commnets from MJJC in my name/nick....)

 

[TSCM]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

For someone who had all this time to create a meticulously calculated claim against Michael's estate, Wade failed completely and his entire complaint is riddled with error and delusion. Wade is claiming two entirely different stories for not coming forward sooner about the alleged abuse, all in the same breath.

On one hand, Wade claims to have been acutely aware of the seven years of alleged sexual molestation and the criminal severity of what Michael was doing to him:

From that first night of abuse up until the last night at the Universal Hilton when Plaintiff was fourteen (14) the sexual activities that occurred between Wade and Michael regularly included [seven line description of alleged sexual acts redacted]. Wade swore to Michael that he would go to the grave and never tell anyone... Michael told Wade who was then 11 years old that if he ever told anyone about what they did, it would ruin both of them "and we would go to jail for the rest of our lives. Our lives and careers would be over..." [In 2005,] just as in 1993, Michael called Wade to coach him about what to say...

On the other hand, Wade claims to have remained completely oblivious to any such acts of abuse until May 2012--a convenient date created to try and sneak this claim into court under some technicality, although all of his claims against Michael were technically due to be filed by June 25, 2010 at the latest.

At this point in time [1993 after Chandler allegations broke], Wade still did not consider his relationship with Michael to have been abusive or consider himself to have been a victim of child abuse... In mid-April 2012, Wade began seeing a psychotherapist, but he did not tell the therapist--or even his family members of wife--about his sexual activities with Michael until May 8, 2012. That was the very first time Wade began to recognize that Michael had molested him... It was not until after May 2012 that Wade began to see himself as a victim of child abuse.

So, Wade swore to Michael not to tell anyone about what they were doing and Michael spent years coaching him on it, yet he did not recognize that any of it was wrong or that he had been abused until just last year, after seeing a shrink due to a failing career.



They took a few different pages from the Arvizos, also including the "Michael encouraged me to call him dad" -- a claim that was actually confirmed false during the 2005 case and it was actually the Arvizo family that insisted on calling Michael dad (not the other way around). I may do a more detailed analysis of Wade's claims tomorrow evening when I have more time.

It's also convenient that Wade's bi-polar father committed suicide in 2002, yet it wasn't until after Wade discovered he had been molested for seven years by Michael and made that information public to his family that his aunt attributed Wade's father's suicide to the abuse by Michael!

 

[qbee]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well if Wade never realised he was being molested until 2012 and never told his family until 2012 . How would his Dads suicide in 2002 be because of that. So his dad commits suicide over that and then Wade still goes and defends MJ in 2005 ... I don't think that one flys.

 

[AliCat]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What's with all the copying of Evan Chandler. Evan committed suicide and now Wade's Dad has done it. too, and we should see the similarities and then all this will be true that Michael Jackson is really a Child Molester? Two parallel lines never meet!

Anything for money!

Money. Money...Lie for it; Spy for it; Kill for it; Die for it

So you call it trust But I say it's just In the devil's game Of greed and lust They don't care They'd do me for the money They don't care They use me for the money
So you go to church Read the Holy word In the scheme of life It's all absurd They don't care They'd kill for the money Do or dare The thrill for the money
You're saluting the flag Your country trusts you Now you're wearing a badge You're called the "Just Few" And you're fighting the wars A soldier must do
I'll never betray or deceive you my friend but...If you show me the cash Then I will take it If you tell me to cry Then I will fake it If you give me a hand
Then I will shake it You'll do anything for money...

Anything Anything Anything for money Would lie for you Would die for you Even sell my soul to the devil Anything Anything Anything for money
Would lie for you Would die for you Even sell my soul to the devil

Insurance? Where do your loyalties lie? Is that your alibi? I don't think so You don't care You'd do her for the money Say it's fair You sue her for the money Want your pot of gold Need the Midas touch Bet you sell your soul Cuz your God is such You don't care You kill for the money Do or dare The thrill for the money
Are you infected with the same disease Of lust, gluttoney and greed? Then watch the ones With the biggest smiles The idle jabbers...Cuz they're the backstabbers
If you know it's a lie Then you will swear it If you give it with guilt Then you will bear it If it's taking a chance Then you will dare it
You'll do anything for money...

Anything Anything Anything for money Would lie for you Would die for you Even sell my soul to the devil Anything Anything Anything for money Would lie for you
Would die for you Even sell my soul to the devil Anything Anything Anything for money Would lie for you Would die for you Even sell my soul to the devil Anything
Anything Anything for money Would lie for you Would die for you Even sell my soul to the devil

You say you wouldn't do it For all the money in the world I don't think so If you show me the man Then I will sell him If you ask me to lie Then I will tell him
If you're dealing with God Then you will hell him You'll do anything for money Anything Anything Anything for money Would lie for you Would die for you

Even sell my soul to the devil Even sell my soul to the devil Even sell my soul to the devil Even sell my soul to the devil Even sell my soul to the devil
Even sell my soul to the devil Even sell my soul to the devil Even sell my soul to the devil

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't understand this. He claims he's had actual knowledge of his alleged abuse since May 8, 2012, but they claim that is within 60 days before the petiotion was filed? It is not.

The 60days is for the LATER of either knowledge of the abuse or the knowledge of the estate. He is claiming knowledge of the estate to be march 2013 when he meets this clown of a lawyer, but in fact it is just knowledge of how he can claim damages from mj's estate for his abuse, which to me is totally different. So i think it can be thrown out on those grounds - it was always a long shot this creditor claim.

Doe 2 seems to be an individual - probably someone who worked for Michael - and helped Wade come to USA, Doe 3 is one of the companies.

The front page of the document says does 2 and 3 are corporations.

But then maybe I'm overthinking it and it's nothing but just a cynical money grab and there's nothing more behind it. Money in itself is enough of a motivation for a lot of people to do all kinds of ugly.

I tend to think it's more complicated than he's just greedy, or that he didn't get this cirque job - where there is no evidence of that - the estate says wade was the one who pulled out. Do people really think the estate is protecting his reputation? He claims he has had 2 mental breakdowns - he has had an incredibly pressured childhood and relentless drive to succeed from a young age and that's down to the mother not mj. Moving him from his home and half his family to the other side of the world at the age of 9 purely so he cd pursue his talent as a dancer. He was providing for his family at a young age - that's a huge pressure, ask mj. Massive success at a young age maybe not translating into continued success at teh same level the older he gets. Family history of mental problems. I agree with la cienega that something isn't right about wade and i think we were told weren't we that there are some redactions in the docs relating to wade's mental problems.

 

[LindavG]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Just think about what Wade is actually claiming here. He says Michael sexually abused him between the ages of 7 and 14. This abuse was so horrible that it resulted in severe mental trauma all these years later. He never forgot anything Michael ever did to him. Yet, he did not understand that there was anything wrong with what happened to him until last year. It did not occur to him until he was 29 that a grown man having sex with a 7-year-old is abusive. Michael told him it was an expression of love and he just accepted it all this time. Michael "coached" him when he was in his early 20s to defend him in court against allegations of child abuse and he did so easily and convincingly, without asking any questions. What does that say about Wade Robson? Is that someone you would trust with your children?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I take it the estate will file a reply motion. it works the same as a civil case? and u presume this motion will
have to be used as a part of his civil case?

 

[LindavG]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The 60days is for the LATER of either knowledge of the abuse or the knowledge of the estate. He is claiming knowledge of the estate to be march 2013 when he meets this clown of a lawyer, but in fact it is just knowledge of how he can claim damages from mj's estate for his abuse, which to me is totally different. So i think it can be thrown out on those grounds - it was always a long shot this creditor claim.

Technically, he's claiming that he didn't even know MJ had an estate until he met with his lawyer in March 2013, and during that meeting the lawyer told him he could still seek redress for his claims, which was a "revelation" to Wade. Like I said, talking about the abuse to his legal advisers without any intention to file a lawsuit must be part of the "healing process" for Wade. Isn't that what typical victims do?

The front page of the document says does 2 and 3 are corporations.

I assume they're MJ's companies then. But why would Judge Beckloff describe them as "celebrities"?

I tend to think it's more complicated than he's just greedy, or that he didn't get this cirque job - where there is no evidence of that - the estate says wade was the one who pulled out. Do people really think the estate is protecting his reputation? He claims he has had 2 mental breakdowns - he has had an incredibly pressured childhood and relentless drive to succeed from a young age and that's down to the mother not mj. Moving him from his home and half his family to the other side of the world at the age of 9 purely so he cd pursue his talent as a dancer. He was providing for his family at a young age - that's a huge pressure, ask mj. Massive success at a young age maybe not translating into continued success at teh same level the older he gets. Family history of mental problems. I agree with la cienega that something isn't right about wade and i think we were told weren't we that there are some redactions in the docs relating to wade's mental problems.

I totally agree. Anyone who does this to a lifelong "friend" has mental issues but in Wade's case, it's even more obvious. The family history, the mental breakdowns, his strange behaviour, etc. I just don't know if the family (esp. Chantal) is in on it or if they genuinely believe him.