[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Huh TMZ...-_- Wade is relying way to much on old crap! The alarm in MJs room was told to the 05 Jury that acquitted MJ...nuff said! lol

And TMZ may not be reporting about those Fake FBI files but reporting on crap like this is still participating in damaging MJs legacy non the less! Cause The Real FBI files that clear MJ include Wade Robson as well as not ever being molested either! So...SMH
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What did he forgot about this? Did a head doctor have to point this out to him too?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade lifted this directly from the Mirror story and from the LeMarques, though its a wonder he didn't remember that detail from the Arvizo case to include in his original complaint. Michael Jackson did have an alarm system across his premises, as it was revealed in court people would regularly trespass including one who had a gun and was found in his house!

And evidently, if the security was in place when MJ "molested" Wade, he didn't use it very effectively since Wade's sister and mom were regularly in the same room as MJ when the abuse occurred. Man is the media idiotic and desperate.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What is this now? This is just evil what is going on right now. I hope these people will get what is coming to them. I don't understand how much abuse Michael still has to go through and he can't even defend himself.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So whens the next hearing
I would like to know this also-I read today that the Kevin Clash (Elmo) cases were dismissed by the judge due to statute of limitations-and they've been filed for some time. I didn't realize these took so long for a judge to review it and decide to dismiss or not. It's agonizing.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If WR thinks he can get more notoriety clinging on the bullcrap created by The Mirror, that asshole is delusional. I'm confident Tom Mezz will help to boost what Thomson or Friedman started debunking.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sheesh. That alarm story is positively ancient. I guess Wade is raking over everything he possibly can, hoping people will have forgotten they've heard it all before, and it came to nothing.

Go T-Mez.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade lifted this directly from the Mirror story and from the LeMarques, though its a wonder he didn't remember that detail from the Arvizo case to include in his original complaint. Michael Jackson did have an alarm system across his premises, as it was revealed in court people would regularly trespass including one who had a gun and was found in his house!

And evidently, if the security was in place when MJ "molested" Wade, he didn't use it very effectively since Wade's sister and mom were regularly in the same room as MJ when the abuse occurred. Man is the media idiotic and desperate.

You should post your comment there TSCM...Please!
Thanks!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sadly there are ppl guillble enough to belive it

Btw ivy ( hope u can see this) do u know when the next court hearing is?
 
Michael Jackson’s Ex Lawyer: He NEVER Paid $35M To Silence Abused Kids


The man who successfully defended Michael Jackson at the 2005 molestation trial says it’s “sickening” that people are trying to “profit and exploit” the King of Pop after his death, in the wake an explosive report in London’s Sunday PEOPLE newspaper.

Famed Los Angeles-based attorney Tom Mesereau rejected the tabloid report, which alleged his former client, Jackson, who died in 2009 at age 50, spent nearly $35 million in a desperate bid to cover up his crimes after he supposedly molested at least 24 boys.

“The FBI never had any files alleging that Michael Jackson had sexually abused 24 young boys, because it never happened,” Mesereau told RadarOnline.com exclusively.

“Remember, in 2009, the FBI released their files relating to Michael Jackson and even though some of it was redacted, there were absolutely no findings of any wrongdoing on behalf of my client. Leading up to the 2005 molestation trial, the Santa Barbara District Attorney was working with the FBI and Interpol and they came up with no evidence of any sexual abuse.

“Believe me, if they had such information, it would have been presented at the trial.”

Mesereau, who recently scoffed at Wade Robson‘s claims that Jackson had abused him, said the County of Santa Barbara District Attorney regularly flew to the FBI’s headquarters in Quantico, Va., during the 2005 case in attempt to find “any evidence against Michael.”

“They never got it,” he said.

Mesereau added, “It’s sickening that people are still trying to profit and exploit Michael Jackson in death.”

The PEOPLE report comes amid the Jackson family’s wrongful death trial against concert promoter AEG Live and Mesereau predicted the damaging article was “likely linked to the AEG civil trial,” although he noted that “I can’t prove it.”

A source close to the Jackson family also cast doubt on the report, noting the Thriller singer had emerged from multiple Los Angeles Department of Children & Family Services investigations without a case to answer.

“Michael was fully cooperative during all of his interactions with DCFS,” a source previously told Radar.

“Michael was interviewed for hours without his lawyer. He held nothing back. He couldn’t understand why these allegations were being made against him. DCFS cleared him on any wrongdoing in all its investigations.”


http://radaronline.com/exclusives/20...e-abused-kids/
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^^^Sorry, I didn't realize this was a duplicate post. Not sure how to delete...maybe admin can do it?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

T-Mez really needs to work with the Estate on Wade's case at least as a witness. He knows a lot about the investigations and trial that Michael went through. So I hope the Estate ask him to be involved. They're going to need all the help they can get if they don't want to pay huge sums of money for Wade's garbage.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

WADE ROBSON
Michael Jackson Had
A Child Sex Alarm
EXCLUSIVE
Michael Jackson went to great lengths to avoid being caught sexually abusing children ... even installing an alarm to warn him whenever someone was approaching his bedroom -- so claims Wade Robson in his latest complaint against the singer's estate.

Robson just filed an amended complaint, claiming the alarm would go off whenever someone came within 30 feet of Jackson's room. Robson claims Jackson also hung a "Do Not Disturb" sign on his bedroom door.

As we reported, Robson has filed a claim against the MJ estate demanding damages. Robson claims Jackson sexually abused him for 7 years as a child, beginning in 1990.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/07/01/wade-robson-michael-jackson-child-sex-alarm/#ixzz2XqQxntry
Visit Fishwrapper: http://www.fishwrapper.com

It's nothing new. It's in his complaint that was published last week.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Is that all youve got wade and tmz LOL. pathetic. talk about ground hog day * yawn* anyone would think mj was the most famous man in the world with nutjobs and stalkers getting on his property!! an alarm how bizarre is that!! didnt work well as tscm says u know with blanca and everyone else seeing things!!! doh
 
Here is a longer version about what they modified:


Alleged Michael Jackson molestation victim Wade Robson attempts to file late lawsuit

Robson, 30, a choreographer, says the King of Pop brainwashed him so thoroughly that he was incapable of filing a lawsuit before the statute of limitations ran out. There is a one-year statute of limitations on estate claims.

Comments (6) By Nancy Dillon / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Monday, July 1, 2013, 11:34 PM



The complaint states Michael Jackson had an alarm that sounded once anyone began to enter the hallway leading up to it.




The choreographer now saying Michael Jackson molested him says he should be allowed to file a late lawsuit because the King of Pop's estate shouldn’t benefit from Jackson’s wily ways, including an alarmed bedroom at Neverland ranch.
Wade Robson filed an amended complaint Monday arguing that the one-year statute of limitations on estate claims shouldn’t be a defense for the “Thriller” singer’s executors because Jackson brainwashed him into thinking their sexual relations were pure.
The updated filing cites a “clean hands” law that states “no one can take advantage” of someone’s "wrong."
“There can be no less clean hands than the hands of one who sexually abuses a child for seven years,” the new filing states.
“The long-term psychological consequences of (Jackson’s) threats, sexual trauma and mental manipulation imprisoned (Robson’s) mind and prevented him from filing a timely claim just as effectively as if he had been physically imprisoned,” the paperwork obtained by the Daily News states.
Robson previously said he wasn’t able to identify the abuse until he started intensive psychothearpy after back-to-back nervous breakdowns in 2011 and 2012.
In his highly redacted filing, Robson said the pop star invited him to Neverland Ranch in early 1990 – when Robson was 7 years old – and arranged for both Robson and his sister Chantal to sleep in his bed the first night of the extended visit.
Chantal elected to sleep on a different floor of Jackson’s two-floor bedroom the second night, and that’s when the alleged sexual abuse started, Robson states in his court declaration.
The complaint states Jackson had a security system in his bedroom that gave an audible alarm once anyone began to enter the “approximately 30-foot hallway that led to his room."
He also hung “do not disturb” signs on the room to keep people out, the complaint alleges.


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Lucas Jackson/Reuters

Wade Robson said he didn't realize he was molested until 2012. “I did not believe that I was forced,” he said in his court statement.


Eventually, “(Jackson) began showing me explicit adult pornography in the form of magazines, books and videos,” Robson said. “He also encouraged me to call him ‘Dad,’ and he would call me ‘Son.’”
Robson said the abuse stopped only when he hit puberty and Jackson lost interest.
“From the first instance of abuse, (Jackson) began telling me that ‘we can never tell anyone what we are doing. People are ignorant and they would never understand that we love each other and this is how we show it. If anyone were to ever find out, our lives and careers would be over,’” he recalls in his statement to the court.
A lawyer for Jackson’s estate has dismissed Robson’s claims as “outrageous and pathetic.”
“This is a young man who has testified at least twice under oath over the past 20 years and said in numerous interviews that Michael Jackson never did anything inappropriate to him or with him,” lawyer Howard Weitzman previously told The News. “Now, nearly 4 years after Michael has passed this sad and less-than-credible claim has been made. We are confident that the court will see this for what it is.”
Robson, now 30, claims he did not believe he was the victim of sexual assault until 2012.
“I did not believe that I was forced,” he said in his court statement. “I believed that I was a consenting participant in the sexual acts that (Jackson) and I engaged in. I also believed that I was absolutely fine with what went on between us. My state of mind was essentially the same as when I was 11 years old and I denied any abuse.”
He said Jackson maintained contact with him until he died, even inviting Robson to some of the “This Is It” rehearsals in Los Angeles.
Jackson’s mother, Katherine Jackson, is now suing the concert promoter behind the tour for negligence.
Robson says he was “in shock” when he heard about the superstar’s demise at the hands of his personal doctor.
“I thought his death should make me want to cry constantly, but I found it hard to cry,” he says in his filing.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...-late-lawsuit-article-1.1387721#ixzz2XscMTQca
 
IMO there are two new elements in it. Not the alarm thing, that was in the original filing as far as I remember. These are the added, new elements:

The updated filing cites a “clean hands” law that states “no one can take advantage” of someone’s "wrong."
“There can be no less clean hands than the hands of one who sexually abuses a child for seven years,” the new filing states.
“The long-term psychological consequences of (Jackson’s) threats, sexual trauma and mental manipulation imprisoned (Robson’s) mind and prevented him from filing a timely claim just as effectively as if he had been physically imprisoned,” the paperwork obtained by the Daily News states.

He said Jackson maintained contact with him until he died, even inviting Robson to some of the “This Is It” rehearsals in Los Angeles.

Robson says he was “in shock” when he heard about the superstar’s demise at the hands of his personal doctor.
“I thought his death should make me want to cry constantly, but I found it hard to cry,” he says in his filing.

Don't know why they felt the need to add these. It just seems desperate.

Especially when we have these:

Aussie friends of Jackson 'shocked'

By Peter Mitchell
AAP
June 26, 2009 10:10am

AN Australian family who met Michael Jackson more than 20 years ago and became lifelong friends was devastated by the pop star's surprise death.

Joy Robson, mother of choreographer Wade Robson, said her family could not come to terms with the news the King of Pop was dead.

”We are all in shock right now,” Ms Robson, sobbing heavily, said.
”We're devastated.”

Michael Jackson's friendship remembered

Robyn Ironside and Sophie Elsworth
June 27, 2009 12:00am


A MEMBER of a Slacks Creek family Michael Jackson took to America 17 years ago yesterday remembered her gentle friend.

Chantal Robson, who became friends with Jackson after younger brother Wade won a talent contest in 1986 impersonating the star, said she learned of his death the same way millions of others did – through the media.

"I got a text message from Wade saying 'turn on the TV, I really hope this is a hoax'," she said from Los Angeles.

"People kept sending texts and emails saying 'I'm so sorry' and I was feeling really mad because I didn't want to believe it was real."

Chantal last saw Jackson at his 2005 trial for child molestation – at which she, Wade and her mother testified for the defence.

Jackson was acquitted of all charges and they have kept in regular contact since.

"Wade spent time with him and his children in Vegas recently. He was healthy and happy. He was finally getting through everything," she said.

She said if it was not for Jackson her family may not have moved to the US where Wade's career has flourished.

"I'm also a choreographer and my mum's an agent. Life in America has been very good to us and it's all thanks to Michael," Chantal said.

She said the private Michael Jackson was different to his public persona. "He's shy but he's so intelligent . . . the smartest person I've ever met and his kids are exactly the same. Incredibly intelligent," she said.

Brother Wade had been devastated by Jackson's death, Chantal said.

"He's having some time alone with his wife to process everything in LA. We'll get together soon and share memories.


"It just makes me kind of angry that it's taken his death for people to finally talk about how wonderful he actually was. He was always wonderful."
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Look I swear that the stories over at UK would not happen if this StupidAss (wade) came out with this BullSH*T!!! That fo'show
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Michael Jackson went to great lengths to avoid being caught sexually abusing children ... even installing an alarm to warn him whenever someone was approaching his bedroom -- so claims Wade Robson in his latest complaint against the singer's estate.
MJ really should have got his money back on that alarm system as it was hopeless. His bedroom was like piccadiliy circus with everybody coming in and out to witness all these incriminating acts.
 
Michael Jackson 'victim' Wade Robson claims leaked FBI files proves he told the truth about child molestation
By James Desborough
PUBLISHED: 01:19, 2 July 2013 | UPDATED: 01:27, 2 July 2013
Dancer Wade Robson has claimed the revelations of FBI files claiming Michael Jackson silenced child molestation victims proves he previously told the truth. Robson ordered his lawyers to issue a statement after it emerged the FBI have boxes of reports covering Jackson' inappropriate behavior and $35m worth of alleged pay offs to victims. The famous child dancer is suing Jackson's estate claiming he suffered sexual abuse over several years at the hands of The King Of Pop over several years.

His legal team plan to contact the FBI to access the files, which were gathered during an investigation into Jackson's own private investigator Anthony Pellicano. Jackson's attempts to silence children he allegedly molested could bolster the lawsuit brought by Wade, who actually defended the performer in court during his 2005 child abuse. Choreographer Robson’s litigation counsel Maryann R. Marzano of Gradstein & Marzano said: 'These revelations confirm what we've been saying: that Michael Jackson was a pedophile and Wade Robson was one of his victims. 'To continue to deny this, defies both common sense and common decency.'

A source close to Wade added: 'The information in these files could provide many leads both for witnesses in the case and background information on deals we may never have heard of before.
'Wade wants his lawyers to go through the papers page by page. In these types of cases the technical aspects of the lawsuits are as important as the information. Wade has been subjected to much abuse and attacks in recent weeks over his lawsuit. Wade feels this paperwork shows he is telling the truth. And the emergence of this report goes a long way to show the world he may not have the only one to suffer. '

It is a rare move by Robson, who since his Today interview, has shied publicity. Talking to Matt Lauer he claimed: 'This is not a case of repressed memory. I never forgot one moment of what Michael did to me… But I was psychologically and emotionally unwilling to understand that it was sexual abuse.'
'He sexually abused my from seven years old until 14. He performed sexual acts on me, and forced me to perform sexual acts on him.' Robson says Jackson was an amazing talent, but 'he was a pedophile.'

Standing by his side: Some will be skeptical of his claims given he made them after defending Jackson in court

A former child friend of the singer, Wade has ordered his lawyers to contact the FBI about secret documents compiled by a private investigator that reportedly revealed Jackson spent $35 million to silence 24 boys. Robson, 30, sued the Jackson estate in May, seeking court approval to file a late claim for seven years of alleged sexual abuse that occurred when he was a starstruck boy palling around with his idol. The report details how many children and their parents allegedly accepted secret cash payments from Jackson to keep quiet about molestation. The hush money ranged from $2 million to one family to $20 million to the family of Jordan Chandler, the source said. Jordan, who settled a claim against Jackson in 1993, befriended the Thriller singer when he was 13.
Jackson's estate says that Robson's allegations are completely false, and added: 'they are outrageous and sad.'

But the choreographer now insists the Prince Of Pop abused him during their friendship. In 2005, Robson was a key witness who helped clear Jackson of molestation charges. He now attributes the favorable testimony to Jackson’s 'brainwashing.'

On Saturday after the report emerged a lawyer for the Jackson estate refused to comment.

Jackson's controversial past was raised to the top of the news agenda, while his family turned out for the premiere of his latest show. Michael Jackson One features his music and performances intertwined with Cirque Du Soleil performances. The sold out show features a storyline focusing on Jackson's lifelong battle with the media.

Meanwhile attorney Tom Mesereau, who who successfully defended Michael Jackson at the 2005 molestation trial, denied his former client had paid out the money. He told Radar: 'The FBI never had any files alleging that Michael Jackson had sexually abused 24 young boys, because it never happened.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ld-truth-child-molestation.html#ixzz2Xt4T7HSU
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You know what, when Wade's allegations were first made public I maintained an overview of what was going on but took no interest in getting into the detail.


since I first read these latest reports on here a couple of days ago I have been too angry to even comment.


I have avoided the news wherever possible and have basically been hiding my head in the sand. I have been visiting Michael Jackson fan boards since the mid to late 90s and have ALWAYS reacted strongly to negative reports in the media. Some may remember me actively arranging support action against offending reports 10(!) years ago. I have been a firm believer that you can't let these things go and that you MUST stand up to defend against lies in the media, but I feel like I have lost the will to fight. I was very pleased when Wade's allegations were initially ignore by the British media, and considered that they might actually be using a little more integrity than they used to. I thought they might be a little more responsible about what they print, but on Sunday that illusion was totally destroyed by what I read on this board. It's disgusting, and I'm ashamed these stories have originated from the UK.
The media are (presumably deliberately) targetting a dead man's image using lies and manipulation, knowing full well that there is nothing anybody can do to refute the claims through legal process. The MJ Estate have been criticised on this board for their weak response. I agree, the statement they released was very weak and seemed so inadequate considering the magnitude of the stories being spread around the world, but in all honesty there is probably nothing the MJ Estate can do except hope that this soon fades away to nothing. they certainly don't want to draw any more attention to these stories IMO.


Some may say Katherine Jackson started this sh!t storm by stirring the hornets nest when she attacked AEG. Some think that AEG are behind these allegations, but we'll never know for sure if Wade's allegation was going to happen anyway. In either case, this is turning into a tsunami and I don't know if there's anything we can do to stop it. Even if Katherine drops her suit against AEG, and if Wade admits he lied about MJ that will not undo the damage cause by these ruinous media reports.




From what I have seen here the stories are disgusting and I just wish the public would use their common sense.




Feck it, writing this has got me fired up. I do have fight left! :evil:

All I can ask is that everybody on these boards seek out negative Michael Jackson stories on the internet and fight fiction with facts. Use rational, coherent arguments. I have just seen several articles that do not have comments on them. MJ Fans need to act TODAY!

Where there is no opportunity to add a comment to the page, EMAIL THE EDITOR!!!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^I'm thinking the uk press is wanting a new saville to get their teeth into.

I think compared to 20 or even 10 yrs ago there is more opportunity for fans to get their side across due to all the new social media. The days of just depending on what a newspaper tells you is over, as online you have the opportunity of seeing comments v often more interesting and knowledgable than the article.
 
Re: [Discussion] Michael Jackson Slandered By The Mirror

5/8/2013

Wade Robson is lying through his teeth by now claiming Michael Jackson molested him when he was a child ... so says Howard Weitzman, the lawyer for the MJ Estate.

Weitzman tells TMZ ... "Mr. Robson's claim is outrageous and pathetic. This is a young man who has testified at least twice under oath over the past 20 years and said in numerous interviews that Michael Jackson never did anything inappropriate to him or with him."

Weitzman goes on ... "Now, nearly 4 years after Michael has passed, this sad and less than credible claim has been made."

Sources connected with the case tell TMZ ... Robson is claiming he suffered from "repressed memory" and that's why he didn't file his creditor's claim on time. TMZ broke the story ... Robson filed legal docs against the MJ Estate, claiming Michael molested him when he was a child. Robson was a frequent guest at the Neverland Ranch between the ages of 7 and 14.

Weitzman tells TMZ ... "We are confident that the court will see this for what it is."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/08/wade-...station-estate-howard-weitzman/#ixzz2Xu7k2dYx
Visit Fishwrapper: http://www.fishwrapper.com
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Huh TMZ...-_- Wade is relying way to much on old crap! The alarm in MJs room was told to the 05 Jury that acquitted MJ...nuff said! lol

And TMZ may not be reporting about those Fake FBI files but reporting on crap like this is still participating in damaging MJs legacy non the less! Cause The Real FBI files that clear MJ include Wade Robson as well as not ever being molested either! So...SMH

Exactly.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sadly there are ppl guillble enough to belive it

Btw ivy ( hope u can see this) do u know when the next court hearing is?
Those people ALREADY believe it. I just showed my office this story and they are laughing. it is stupid and clearly a lie.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Unlike in 1993 or 2003, the facts are out there for people to research. The real FBI files released in 2009 are out there for people to see.. If there was some secret FBI files that proved MJ was paying off folks don't you think the FBI would've released it to Sneddon in 2005 during the criminal trial when Sneddon was looking for anyone to come help his case? and why would the FBI hold back some evidence on MJ? are they saying that MJ paid them off too.. Get real!!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I know but people WONT go and research. They won't find the real FBI files etc. They will just believe the headlines they see. They may not even bother to read the whole story. The headlines are damaging enough. People don't want to use their common sense. Even in this day and age people just believe what they're force fed.

That's why we need to go out and give these tabloids hell. Clog their comment sections up with facts. Flood their email accounts.
 
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I know, but the point is people WONT go and research. They won't find the real FBI files etc. They will just believe the headlines they see. They may not even bother to read the story

That is why you post the FBI report that is on CBS site and that was posted here. In truth, I really do not see too many people talking about this story other than the international media. only a few stations like ET and showbiz but other than that, I am still hearing nothing. TMZ well, we know what they are all about.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Huh TMZ...-_- Wade is relying way to much on old crap! The alarm in MJs room was told to the 05 Jury that acquitted MJ...nuff said! lol

And TMZ may not be reporting about those Fake FBI files but reporting on crap like this is still participating in damaging MJs legacy non the less! Cause The Real FBI files that clear MJ include Wade Robson as well as not ever being molested either! So...SMH
Well, you have to post the real FBI files on there. I am glad TMZ is banned in my office on my computer.
 
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