[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

"Wade Robson who was sitting DIRECTLY behind me (breathing on ur neck close) was bawling his eyes out during this one. He had his head down in his hands for most of this song ...poor bb :"

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/36954873.html

What's that he said about finding it hard to cry?

The more he talks, the more he discredits himself.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I was reminded by a post at VMJ that Victor Gutierrez says in his disgusting book that he ran into Joy Robson and Wade on the beach in LA area in 92. He then approaached Joy and had a long chat with her where he told her all about how MJ supposedly operated and what his intentions were--all the stuff VG said he 'knew' b/c of the interviews he had been doing (talking to maids and ex-employees, and who knows who else). Ok, so this is confirmed in Jermain's book were he says that Joy informed MJ about this, or MJ's inner circle. So my point is, if VG--himself so eager to prove MJ to be what he tried to portray him as in his book--talks at length to Joy, how can the Robson family say NOW in 2012-13 that they have suddenly realized what happened to WR was sexual abuse of a minor? Hello--VG TOLD Joy all about it in detail in 92. So I am assuming with that info she did more than tell MJ about it, she also talked to her son about it--any mother would, right? How can they say they never considered anything like that til after MJ's death?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I was reminded by a post at VMJ that Victor Gutierrez says in his disgusting book that he ran into Joy Robson and Wade on the beach in LA area in 92. He then approaached Joy and had a long chat with her where he told her all about how MJ supposedly operated and what his intentions were--all the stuff VG said he 'knew' b/c of the interviews he had been doing (talking to maids and ex-employees, and who knows who else). Ok, so this is confirmed in Jermain's book were he says that Joy informed MJ about this, or MJ's inner circle. So my point is, if VG--himself so eager to prove MJ to be what he tried to portray him as in his book--talks at length to Joy, how can the Robson family say NOW in 2012-13 that they have suddenly realized what happened to WR was sexual abuse of a minor? Hello--VG TOLD Joy all about it in detail in 92. So I am assuming with that info she did more than tell MJ about it, she also talked to her son about it--any mother would, right? How can they say they never considered anything like that til after MJ's death?



Wade is a liar is how... Wade has been asked about this stuff for over 20 years and for him to play dumb and act like he didn't know that sex abuse is wrong is insane. The man testified under oath and testified to grand juries and was hounded by the tabloid press for years and years.. He knew what it was and he knows nothing ever happened to him. He's a lying, greedy sociopath.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The one where he says he didn't know the estate existed until this year takes the cake for me. I really hope that justice will be done here. I am so angered by all of this and the fact that Michael cannot even defend himself upsets me. Now his kids have to see and deal with this crap. It's shameful.
 
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I feel I have nowhere to go without hitting blogs posting these reports and going head to head with people that believe to their core that he is guilty.
I don't mind conversing with people who have a difference of opinion and can see my side and I there's.. As well as they support their beliefs. However when they just say " I use my common sense" that is not enough for me. This one person kept on, on how much of a pedo he is and how he got away with it all, because he's a rich celeb. She even insinuated when I asked her what her thoughts were about the parents responsibilities in this... As "How can you blame the parents for his actions. That's like saying a girl deserved rape for wearing a skirt." This person would also go on to think what OJ Simpson did doesn't matter cause he's in jail for robbery. Basically from what I got from it , she values child molestation over two homicides. Wow. I think murdering another human being is the worst thing any human can do. Child molestation isn't to be taken lightly, but once your dead, your dead. Just ugh. She started calling me crazy etc for thinking parents shouldn't have any blame in not taking their kids out of the situations... If they did occur.

Now with Wade coming forth at a suspicious time. Reading the stories coming out of all the rags and tmz... They are all old rumors and trial information... The media or Wade and his team are rehashing old rumors and trial evidence as "new." It's crazy. They also are calling out Mac , saying he was abused by Michael. How is this fair to Mac?

People see patterns in Mj's supposed luring of children and families, but what about the patterns for each accusers defense. They make a claim. They can't keep their stories straight. They have parents or siblings that vouched for MJ and some still do, despite their childs claim. The Chandler boy wouldn't testify in 2005. The family or the mother would overlook Mj's behavior and then their sons would come forth with claims for money. The mother, chandler's couldn't remember what significantly happened to Jordan, but remembered all the details of the gifts and trips . Reading the supposed MJ pattern and then the families both stories sound so crazy .

But back to Wade. He seems to come out with this after he no longer can get a gig under the Jackson estate. Britney Spears pulled out of a deal with him, because of his allegations. I don't get how back in 2005 the alleged "our life and careers will be over" bit that MJ supposedly brainwashed him with... All of a sudden his career doesn't matter. Is he saying his career is basically over, so why not omit this stuff truth or not for money. He says he wants to inspire others to come forth to speak their truths and be free... Yet imo it's a ploy him and his lawyers cooked up, because they have to find people like they desperately did in 2005 if not more so now that Wade has lied under oath twice. The victims or faux ones that will come out to jump the money train are for Wade's personal gain only in his case. People need to see through that.

It's all so ugly. Poor Paris is suffering and she has to go through hearing this stuff.

Whether Wade is telling the truth or not, he had his chance in 2005. He was a grown man, capable to say "Forget the money I am going to tell my truth here" and done it. He just didn't want to let go of the MJ Career path he was on. Now like I said his michael career meal ticket is over, he comes out with this.

Someone tell me how parents aren't partly to blame in allowing their kids to hang out with a grown man... Innocent or not (In general speaking terms) ... Why isn't Wade furious with his mom for allowing it to happen, knowing it was going on at the time... Allegedly of course. Why didn't he ever get big triggers that most sexually abused people get when faced with similar situations that their abusers did.. Like his sex life ... Wouldn't he feel something an echo? Forming good relationships with a mate or anyone... I would think an abused person would have trouble with that to a degree.

Sorry I'm rambling, because I don't have anyone to talk to about it... That understands. If Mj was guilty then I want to see hard evidence. Regardless I'd still look at him as a genius and listen to his music. I'm not about to throw out the soundtrack of my life over this.

Also why not bring forth Omer Bhatti? I know he is supposed to be his secret son.. Not sure i believe that, but he did spend so much time with Michael. Why not bring him forth? Especially since they want to pressure and put out there that Mac was abused by MJ

Thoughts? I just need a hug and to focus on his music... And to hope and pray Paris will get through this. UGH
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think ALL MJ FAN BOARDS should protect their forum where the fans discuss and post things regards Wade,AEG and stuff.They can SPY ON US!

I saw MJ haters posting links from MJJC.

Just saying...
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Great find, shelly_webster. Definitely something to be added to our files! LOL!
 
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Good idea dri
 
jamba;3860530 said:
I was reminded by a post at VMJ that Victor Gutierrez says in his disgusting book that he ran into Joy Robson and Wade on the beach in LA area in 92. He then approaached Joy and had a long chat with her where he told her all about how MJ supposedly operated and what his intentions were--all the stuff VG said he 'knew' b/c of the interviews he had been doing (talking to maids and ex-employees, and who knows who else). Ok, so this is confirmed in Jermain's book were he says that Joy informed MJ about this, or MJ's inner circle. So my point is, if VG--himself so eager to prove MJ to be what he tried to portray him as in his book--talks at length to Joy, how can the Robson family say NOW in 2012-13 that they have suddenly realized what happened to WR was sexual abuse of a minor? Hello--VG TOLD Joy all about it in detail in 92. So I am assuming with that info she did more than tell MJ about it, she also talked to her son about it--any mother would, right? How can they say they never considered anything like that til after MJ's death?

Yes. There are two versions of that story. One is in Gutierrez's book and one is in Jermaine's - Joy Robson being the direct source of the latter. So Joy did meet Victor Gutierrez in 1992. Here it is from Jermaine's book, based on Joy's version:

“Venice Beach is one of those laid back towns I've always avoided because of its crowds. It's a log jammed tourist trap at weekends with its mime artists, psychics, performing dogs, rappers, musicians and dancers all taking their chance on the ocean front boardwalk. One weekend, Wade Robson was one of those street performers, trying out his moves. He was about 10 and he, his sister and mother Joy were still regular guests at Neverland and had set up home in a condo in West LA. Michael had used Wade, with Macaulay Culkin, on his Black or White video, but he was still an anonymous face in the crowd, especially in Venice Beach. There was no way anyone should have known who he was, let alone linked him with his mentor.

Until, that is, some "freelance writer" named Victor Gutierrez sidled up to his mother and explained that he was investigating Michael Jackson for "being a pedophile." How did he know who she was? Joy took his business card and immediately phoned Michael's office. It was early summer 1992 - a year before any formal allegation or police investigation and a butterfly started to beat its wings near the beach.”

In VG's book the story is embellished. VG claims how Joy basically admitted to him that Wade is probably being molested by MJ. (That's why I think the source in that document that was published by the Mirror where is said that "[Blacked out] knows her son is being molested she just doesn't care, because it doesn't bother her son and it doesn't bother her" (paraphrasing) is about Joy and the source is Gutierrez. That was his narrative.

Of course VG's version is BS. There is a good reason to think that VG is basically the originator of these allegations against MJ and he orchestrated a lot of it (he also had contact with the Chandlers). More about that here: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...inst-Michael?p=3853432&viewfull=1#post3853432

What he was doing in the early 90s was that he approached parents of kids around MJ and employees (such as Blanca Francia, Orietta Murdock) and filled their head with the claim that MJ was a pedo. Probably in the hope that a parent would eventually make an allegation against MJ - like Evan did. I think that was the intent of his approaching of Joy in 1992 as well. Joy did not buy it at the time, but if they claim now that MJ molested Wade how will this story look on her in court? Wade may be too stupid to realize but he's throwing his mother under the bus with this whole BS, not only MJ.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You know what, when Wade's allegations were first made public I maintained an overview of what was going on but took no interest in getting into the detail.


since I first read these latest reports on here a couple of days ago I have been too angry to even comment.


I have avoided the news wherever possible and have basically been hiding my head in the sand. I have been visiting Michael Jackson fan boards since the mid to late 90s and have ALWAYS reacted strongly to negative reports in the media. Some may remember me actively arranging support action against offending reports 10(!) years ago. I have been a firm believer that you can't let these things go and that you MUST stand up to defend against lies in the media, but I feel like I have lost the will to fight. I was very pleased when Wade's allegations were initially ignore by the British media, and considered that they might actually be using a little more integrity than they used to. I thought they might be a little more responsible about what they print, but on Sunday that illusion was totally destroyed by what I read on this board. It's disgusting, and I'm ashamed these stories have originated from the UK.
The media are (presumably deliberately) targetting a dead man's image using lies and manipulation, knowing full well that there is nothing anybody can do to refute the claims through legal process. The MJ Estate have been criticised on this board for their weak response. I agree, the statement they released was very weak and seemed so inadequate considering the magnitude of the stories being spread around the world, but in all honesty there is probably nothing the MJ Estate can do except hope that this soon fades away to nothing. they certainly don't want to draw any more attention to these stories IMO.


Some may say Katherine Jackson started this sh!t storm by stirring the hornets nest when she attacked AEG. Some think that AEG are behind these allegations, but we'll never know for sure if Wade's allegation was going to happen anyway. In either case, this is turning into a tsunami and I don't know if there's anything we can do to stop it. Even if Katherine drops her suit against AEG, and if Wade admits he lied about MJ that will not undo the damage cause by these ruinous media reports.




From what I have seen here the stories are disgusting and I just wish the public would use their common sense.




Feck it, writing this has got me fired up. I do have fight left! :evil:

All I can ask is that everybody on these boards seek out negative Michael Jackson stories on the internet and fight fiction with facts. Use rational, coherent arguments. I have just seen several articles that do not have comments on them. MJ Fans need to act TODAY!

Where there is no opportunity to add a comment to the page, EMAIL THE EDITOR!!!





The allegations by Wade Robson were pretty much ignored in my country as well. But just today there was quite a long article in a widely read newspaper about the allegation with the headline that the FBI has incriminating documents against Michael. The way the article is written it seems that it is a fact that Michael did molest many children and got away with it also stating that Michael would surely have been found guilty in 2005 if those FBI-files were leaked then.

Someone must finally shut these people down, slam them, crush them and their unethical attempts to destroy Michael's reputaion and character! I am so tired of this! :(
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade barely mentions his mother in the complaint - he's clearly trying to get people to ignore her primary role as his protector and guardian. The only mention is that she refused permission for wade to go before the grand jury in 94, and instead he gave his evidence in private. Anyway it won't wash, no way can she not be seen as a key figure. She says at the 05 trial she never felt she needed to ask wade if anything inappropriate happened during his time spent with mj, presumably even after mj was accused of molesting a similar aged jordan and victorg had approached her with accusations. Wade has to denounce her too if he wants his complaint to be seen as credible - they both need to know that it's not just mj's reputation they're going to be bringing down.
 
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sorry, wrong thread :blush:
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The allegations by Wade Robson were pretty much ignored in my country as well. But just today there was quite a long article in a widely read newspaper about the allegation with the headline that the FBI has incriminating documents against Michael. The way the article is written it seems that it is a fact that Michael did molest many children and got away with it also stating that Michael would surely have been found guilty in 2005 if those FBI-files were leaked then.

Someone must finally shut these people down, slam them, crush them and their unethical attempts to destroy Michael's reputaion and character! I am so tired of this! :(

Yeah, I've been seeing it reported here in the UK as fact by every paper, it's insane. The letters "FBI" carries so much legitimacy, so the idea it really is the FBI leaking these documents and that they prove these things is really circulating viciously. Just bewildering. I'm leaving comments everywhere I can or tweeting people who have posted this article to correct them, but I feel like we're fire fighters trying to fight off a forest fire and the winds are against us.

And if Wade's people do get their hands on these docs, and I'm sure Baressi will be eager to get on their side, then they're going to have to deal with the issue of Joy once again.
 
This crap isn't going to end. So, now Wade's father killed himself back in 2002 because his son was molested, but Wade carried on praising Michael for YEARS afterwards??? There is no consistency in his story. So now Michael is responsible for killing these messed up, mentally ill fathers????:mat:

Why are they so desperate to destroy Michael?
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Michael Jackson Sex Accuser Claims Dad Killed Himself After Being Destroyed By Alleged Abuse


Posted on Jul 3, 2013 @ 2:50AM
By Dylan Howard

Wade Robson‘s dad killed himself in torment over the alleged sexual abuse his son suffered at the hands of Michael Jackson, it’s claimed.

The Australian-born dancer-choreographer revealed his secret family anguish in an amended complaint against the late King of Pop’s estate, obtained by RadarOnline.com, in which he claimed Jackson sexually abused him from age seven for a period of seven years.

Wade, now 30, had become estranged from his dad, who he said was found hanged in 2002.

The former So You Think You Can Dance judge alleged he recently learned from his father’s sister that “the thought that Plaintiff [Robson] might have been sexually abused by Decedent [Jackson] was a huge source of anxiety and depression for his father.”

Before the suicide, Wade’s dad had been diagnosed with bi-polar disorder and his relationship with his wife Joy had “deteriorated,” the filing said.

Wade told the court his father had been with him when he first traveled to Jackson’s Neverland Ranch for a weekend retreat in 1990.

“The first night of the weekend, on or about February 3, 1990, Plaintiff [Robson] and his sister slept in Decedent’s bedroom (a two floor bedroom suite with beds both in the downstairs and upstairs areas), in the same bed with decedent downstairs,” it’s revealed.

“The rest of the family slept in the separate guest quarters.”

The next night the systematic sexual abuse began, it’s alleged.

Days later, the Robsons left the ranch to continue a road trip, but Wade’s father and mother allowed their son to stay behind with Jackson.

“Plaintiff slept in Decedent’s bed every night and the sexual abuse took place every night,” it’s said.

Robson’s family returned to stay Plaintiff at the ranch the following weekend, but again, Wade slept in the bed with Jackson while the family slept elsewhere in the house.

“The sexual abuse continued on each of those nights,” it’s alleged.

The next week, Wade, his mother and sister went to stay with Jackson at his Wilshire Boulevard apartment in Westwood, Los Angeles, while his father and grandparents continued on their road trip around America.

“Plaintiff slept with decedent in his bed at the Westwood apartment; Plaintiff’s mother and sister stayed across the street at the Holiday Inn Hotel,” it’s said.

“The sexual abuse occurred on each of those nights as well.”

Wade is now asking a Los Angeles court to award him unspecified damages.

“Plaintiff’s heart, body and mind were so severely manipulated as a child by Decedent that the psychological injury and damage it has caused Plaintiff to suffer will continue for a lifetime,” his re-filed case claimed.

“Often victims of such childhood abuse take their secret to the grave. Plaintiff has lived most of his life in unspeakable shame, guilt and denial as a result of Decedent’s wrongdoing.”

Interesting side note: Wade’s father is the SECOND dad of a Jackson sex accuser to have committed suicide.

Jordy Chandler’s dad was found in bed in 2009 with a single gunshot wound to his head.

The ex-dentist had reportedly changed his appearance to avoid recriminations over accusing Jackson of molesting his son in the early 1990s.

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...ccuser-claims-dad-destroyed-by-alleged-abuse/
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That was in the original filing, wow, they're milking that for all its worth. Wade's people want this story in the papers every day.

The most interesting aspect about that is Wade's father was manic depressive, which is what Evan Chandler also was, and what I believe Wade is.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade father killed himself because of it but never asked his son had he been abused? Good riddance I say another bad parent
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

just out of curiosity: With Wade's new bogus claims and revalations that he knew about the abuse, but didnt - can the Arvizo's sue him for hindering their victory in 05?
 
Re: That's my thought.

The media or Wade and his team are rehashing old rumors and trial evidence as "new." It's crazy. They also are calling out Mac , saying he was abused by Michael. How is this fair to Mac?

Especially since they want to pressure and put out there that Mac was abused by MJ

Thoughts?

Oh , So they are trying to get Mr culkin to join with their web of lies too now are they ? So desperate Robson !
desperate-man.jpg
Gotta get that ka-ching!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Justthefacts - that was a mean thing to say, since we don't really know the reason why Robson's father committed suicide.

I feel we should not condemn people based on what others have said about them.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade's father was bi-polar and that's enough of a reason for someone to be suicidal. They are just trying to blame everything on Michael. What's next? Michael invented cancer?
 
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Wade's father was bi-polar and that's enough of a reason for someone to be suicidal. They are just trying to blame everything on Michael. What's next? Michael invented cancer?

I remember years ago that someone actually tried blaming MJ for World War II
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Justthefacts - that was a mean thing to say, since we don't really know the reason why Robson's father committed suicide.

I feel we should not condemn people based on what others have said about them.


Clearly I feel different. Don't worry has this case moves forward I will show you true meanness
 
“I thought his death should make me want to cry constantly, but I found it hard to cry,” he says in his filing.

"Wade Robson who was sitting DIRECTLY behind me (breathing on ur neck close) was bawling his eyes out during this one. He had his head down in his hands for most of this song ...poor bb :"

It probably took some time before the poor boy understood he couldn´t cry.

But the choreographer now insists the Prince Of Pop abused him during their friendship.
Prince of pop..I wonder who he is accusing.
 
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well at least the majority of the comments on radar is for MJ.. Most are questioning Wade's claim he only found out he was molested in 2012 and his father killing himself in 10 years before makes no sense. And it only proves Wade is a liar
 
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I feel I have nowhere to go without hitting blogs posting these reports and going head to head with people that believe to their core that he is guilty.
I don't mind conversing with people who have a difference of opinion and can see my side and I there's.. As well as they support their beliefs. However when they just say " I use my common sense" that is not enough for me. This one person kept on, on how much of a pedo he is and how he got away with it all, because he's a rich celeb. She even insinuated when I asked her what her thoughts were about the parents responsibilities in this... As "How can you blame the parents for his actions. That's like saying a girl deserved rape for wearing a skirt." This person would also go on to think what OJ Simpson did doesn't matter cause he's in jail for robbery. Basically from what I got from it , she values child molestation over two homicides. Wow. I think murdering another human being is the worst thing any human can do. Child molestation isn't to be taken lightly, but once your dead, your dead. Just ugh. She started calling me crazy etc for thinking parents shouldn't have any blame in not taking their kids out of the situations... If they did occur.

Now with Wade coming forth at a suspicious time. Reading the stories coming out of all the rags and tmz... They are all old rumors and trial information... The media or Wade and his team are rehashing old rumors and trial evidence as "new." It's crazy. They also are calling out Mac , saying he was abused by Michael. How is this fair to Mac?

People see patterns in Mj's supposed luring of children and families, but what about the patterns for each accusers defense. They make a claim. They can't keep their stories straight. They have parents or siblings that vouched for MJ and some still do, despite their childs claim. The Chandler boy wouldn't testify in 2005. The family or the mother would overlook Mj's behavior and then their sons would come forth with claims for money. The mother, chandler's couldn't remember what significantly happened to Jordan, but remembered all the details of the gifts and trips . Reading the supposed MJ pattern and then the families both stories sound so crazy .

But back to Wade. He seems to come out with this after he no longer can get a gig under the Jackson estate. Britney Spears pulled out of a deal with him, because of his allegations. I don't get how back in 2005 the alleged "our life and careers will be over" bit that MJ supposedly brainwashed him with... All of a sudden his career doesn't matter. Is he saying his career is basically over, so why not omit this stuff truth or not for money. He says he wants to inspire others to come forth to speak their truths and be free... Yet imo it's a ploy him and his lawyers cooked up, because they have to find people like they desperately did in 2005 if not more so now that Wade has lied under oath twice. The victims or faux ones that will come out to jump the money train are for Wade's personal gain only in his case. People need to see through that.

It's all so ugly. Poor Paris is suffering and she has to go through hearing this stuff.

Whether Wade is telling the truth or not, he had his chance in 2005. He was a grown man, capable to say "Forget the money I am going to tell my truth here" and done it. He just didn't want to let go of the MJ Career path he was on. Now like I said his michael career meal ticket is over, he comes out with this.

Someone tell me how parents aren't partly to blame in allowing their kids to hang out with a grown man... Innocent or not (In general speaking terms) ... Why isn't Wade furious with his mom for allowing it to happen, knowing it was going on at the time... Allegedly of course. Why didn't he ever get big triggers that most sexually abused people get when faced with similar situations that their abusers did.. Like his sex life ... Wouldn't he feel something an echo? Forming good relationships with a mate or anyone... I would think an abused person would have trouble with that to a degree.

Sorry I'm rambling, because I don't have anyone to talk to about it... That understands. If Mj was guilty then I want to see hard evidence. Regardless I'd still look at him as a genius and listen to his music. I'm not about to throw out the soundtrack of my life over this.

Also why not bring forth Omer Bhatti? I know he is supposed to be his secret son.. Not sure i believe that, but he did spend so much time with Michael. Why not bring him forth? Especially since they want to pressure and put out there that Mac was abused by MJ

Thoughts? I just need a hug and to focus on his music... And to hope and pray Paris will get through this. UGH
Pay that woman no attention. She is crazy. When you present evidence to people, I think MOST good thinking people can see it. People like that woman you talked you are dealing with issues or they hate someone and that is why they are willing to believe lies. It is something they are dealing with. I bet if you were to see that woman in person, she is crazy, mental, or just full of hate for people who have money. Can you believe there are some people so full of hate for Beyouce (sp) that they think she faked her pregnacy. They hate the fact that she is married to rich man, rich herself, beautiful, successful, at the top of her game, had a baby and got her shape back. I know one woman who hate Ms. B and will believe any lie on Beyouce (sp).
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You are talking about Jonathan who made a comment on Yahoo answers?

Jonathan has also been talking to the UFO obsessed fruit-loop who made the Supporting Wade Robson page on facebook.

Here are his comments:


Thursday 27th June "I know what you mean Caroline, his FB page was pretty hard for me to read. I hope to think that he hasn't seen it, its probably the worst comments I've seen around the web. He did mention watching Alfonso Ribeiro's comments on his allegations (said that is the same joke he used to make), but I am hoping he only really keeps an eye on TMZ. I have been meaning to build up the courage to ask him what he has looked at.

In any case, he recently emailed photo's of his new life in Maui, it looks like he is doing well."





June 8th - "I agree Jasmine, probably contributed, especially the reported bullying, yet Wade can't be blamed for revealing the truth about what went on (which I have spoken to him personally about). It seems clear that there is a lot of dysfunction in the Jackson Family. I am just so upset for the possibility of the cycle of dysfunction continuing to be past to the next generation. "

June 20th -"Its good to hear Wade is helping some people, I will pass it along to him. I was never abused but seeing how hard it was for him to speak about it helped me realise shame in my own life. Feeling shame doesn't mean you have done something wrong.

Wade said that this video helped him speak about it for the first time - http://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_on_vulnerability.html "

June 20th - "It is definitely interesting to see how people respond to allegations of abuse, it seems to go the same way time and time again where the victim is vilified. I don't have an answer for why it is so hard for people accept, probably something to do with who we are as human beings, and not likely to change any time soon.

I think the best thing that we can do for those of us with a little bit of insight is to be completely accepting of other, and let others know what we will be completely accepting of things they feel vulnerable about."

NO, people do not believe liars. Some women claim rape and they were not rape. People know people are full of it and that some people will use real crime to try and get money. Some people LIE on being sick to get money.
 
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Video courtesy of comment on blog. Wade/Amanda Robson short film, partly shot on NL property in 2007. Read credits at the end! http://youtu.be/LQCkcXfH-CE
 
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