[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The more details the more B.S it sounds! From 1990 and 7 yrs after that he said he was abused?....My @$$! A lot happen in MJs life in those 7 yrs including two marriages, WADE! SMH

But, I see what Wade is doing here, he will twist what he and his family testified to in defense of MJ in 05 and use it against MJ by adding on to it Zzzzzz saw that a mile away! And seriously Blanca Francia as a proof/witness? Really? When she keeps changing the story over and over again to she saw, then didn't see, then wasn't sure. That is what they will call a credible person? It's hard to be worried when this is all this fool got! But, I guess the more u hear a lie some people can believe it and that is what I'm sure they are hoping for in a Civil Case, which much isn't needed to decide and that sucks! I mean for real these allegations are getting tired and stupider by the yrs! SO OVER IT! We got some sick :censored: in this world that would do anything for money! SAD!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade says Michael showed him porn. But in 05 he didn't know he (Michael) had any
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade says Michael showed him porn. But in 05 he didn't know he (Michael) had any

That's because Michael brainwashed him to believe they weren't watching porn when they were watching porn. It's all coming back to him now, though. Just in time (well not really) to file for $ :)
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Obviously the judge who overseeing the Robson case doesnt care for mjj3 otherwise he sure as hell would've thrown his case out .
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade's under oath testimony where he answered specific questions will hurt him.. He made statements like 'I never took a shower with him', and I had no idea he had porn etc.. and the fact Wade's own mother Joy said MJ was only at Neverland 4 times that they were there. Was Joy brainwashed too?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Only problem, Wade said he never forgot what MJ did to him.


That will make wade look like more of an idiot cuz if he never forgot it why didnt he tell the cops bck in 2005 ? lol
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^ See, this was what I was wondering about. I was sure that Joy had said there very few times that they were at Neverland while Michael was there.

And if I understand him correctly, Robson now has to say that he lied under oath and that Michael asked him to lie.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Obviously the judge who overseeing the Robson case doesnt care for mjj3 otherwise he sure as hell would've thrown his case out .


It is possible he could be getting a substantial pay rise this year. What do we really know about this judge? If a DA could falsify evidence in the last case, just imagine what they can to with this one.

Just a thought.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Stop it please. Now the judge is in on it?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^ See, this was what I was wondering about. I was sure that Joy had said there very few times that they were at Neverland while Michael was there.

And if I understand him correctly, Robson now has to say that he lied under oath and that Michael asked him to lie.



So if joy said they were there only a few times then how the heck could mj abuse wade all that time lol
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Obviously the judge who overseeing the Robson case doesnt care for mjj3 otherwise he sure as hell would've thrown his case out .

Wade's an American citizen and has every right for his case to be heard, just like Gavin, the Jacksons and AEG, and Michael. At this point, I don't think the judge has decided ANYTHING...just that it's the public's right to know what those documents say. He hasn't decided to throw it out or proceed just yet. This is also the judge who has handled every other claim made regarding the Estate...he knows what he's doing. As sucky as it is, it's Wade's right to have "his side" heard in a court of law. The judge is just doing his job. It really really sucks but the judge has to have probable cause to just throw it out and at this point, I'm sure the judge thinks Robson's making an "interesting case"
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It is possible he could be getting a substantial pay rise this year. What do we really know about this judge? If a DA could falsify evidence in the last case, just imagine what they can to with this one.

Just a thought.

Stop it please. Now the judge is in on it?


You know i was thinking that this morning and it wouldnt surprise me especially considering he is also taking over with the case bout the kids
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade's an American citizen and has every right for his case to be heard, just like Gavin, the Jacksons and AEG, and Michael. At this point, I don't think the judge has decided ANYTHING...just that it's the public's right to know what those documents say. He hasn't decided to throw it out or proceed just yet. This is also the judge who has handled every other claim made regarding the Estate...he knows what he's doing. As sucky as it is, it's Wade's right to have "his side" heard in a court of law. The judge is just doing his job.

The public have NO RIGHT what so ever to hear this as it is really a personal matter but then again wade doesnt think it is
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Stop it please. Now the judge is in on it?


Sorry don't mean to scare you. :(


Who knows? I am not saying he is or isn't. It was just a thought, I know nothing yet about this judge.

What I'm saying is that after seeing the type of people involved in the last one such as Sneddon ect.., I am just saying it wouldn't at all surprise me if someone higher up is involved.

And if the judge let's this ridiculous case go forward then yes I am most definitely going to suspect he has something to do with it and was bribed or something.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sorry don't mean to scare you. :(


Who knows? I am not saying he is or isn't. It was just a thought, I know nothing yet about this judge.

What I'm saying is that after seeing the type of people involved in the last one such as Sneddon ect.., I am just saying it wouldn't at all surprise me if someone higher up is involved.

And if the judge let's this ridiculous case go forward then yes I am most definitely going to suspect he has something to do with it and was bribed or something.

I agree
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

O.M.G. . . . There goes my head spinning AGAIN, at all this!!!! :no: :*****:
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sorry don't mean to scare you. :(


Who knows? I am not saying he is or isn't. It was just a thought, I know nothing yet about this judge.

What I'm saying is that after seeing the type of people involved in the last one such as Sneddon ect.., I am just saying it wouldn't at all surprise me if someone higher up is involved.

And if the judge let's this ridiculous case go forward then yes I am most definitely going to suspect he has something to do with it and was bribed or something.

You are not scaring me. I find that kind of talk to be annoying
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Robson now has to say that he lied under oath and that Michael asked him to lie.

I think he's claiming to have lied under oath with Michael asking him to lie because he knows that's a major stumbling block to his credibility. And I hate it that he does not have to face consequences for that. People usually have a problem with people who say "I was lying then. But I'm not lying now". I don't think it's right that Wade could be thought of as trustworthy now by anybody after everything he said and did while Michael was still alive. He can give all the excuses for defending Michael that he wants to give. Nobody would buy any excuse from an average adult witness as for why they would lie to the police or in court under oath TWICE. So that should not be okay for Wade either. This case stinks so bad, I can almost smell it.
 
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It's sickening, but it was to be expected that these are the type of things he would allege. It looks like he carefully studied both the Chandler and the Arvizo allegations (as expected) and took elements from them. I'm sure if we had the redacted "details" those would be similar as well.

I think he is trying to show a "pattern", but I don't think it was smart of him to bring in the porn element, that was only present in the Arvizo case, but not in the Chandler. He only created one more point with this in which he (according to his current position) "lied" on the stand, since he was explicitly asked about the porn. On the stand Zonen showed him Michael's porn and asked him questions about.

When paging through some magazine:

0 A. I never thought I’d have a room of people

21 watching me do this.


1 When you were a young child, did Michael

2 Jackson ever show you any sexually explicit

3 material?

4 A. No.

5 Q. Did you ever see Michael Jackson show

6 sexually explicit material to any child?

7 A. No.

23 Q. Mr. Robson, when did you first learn that

24 Michael Jackson possessed material of the nature

25 that’s before you right now?

26 A. Right now I did.

27 Q. All the years that you have known Michael –

28 A. Actually, no one’s told me where this came 9167

1 from.

2 Q. Assuming this comes from Michael Jackson’s

3 residence.

4 A. Assuming it does, this is the first I know.

5 Q. All right. And you had never, ever known

6 that Mr. Jackson collected sexually explicit

7 material?

8 A. No.

9 Q. This is something new that you’re learning

10 just today; is that right?

11 A. Yes.



That Michael coached him in 2005 is ridiculous. Really? As a 22-year-old man he could be still coached like an 11-year-old with the same type of "arguments"? And if Michael thought it was "love" and Wade thought it was "love" why did Michael describe them in his coaching as "disgusting things"?
 
His lawyer told court, “It was only within the past year, as the result of a complete psychological collapse arising from the fulfilling of a ‘prophecy’ made by the Decedent [Jackson] to Claimant [Robson] that Claimant would one day direct films

What? Does it make sense to anyone?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Obviously the judge who overseeing the Robson case doesnt care for mjj3 otherwise he sure as hell would've thrown his case out .

It is possible he could be getting a substantial pay rise this year. What do we really know about this judge? If a DA could falsify evidence in the last case, just imagine what they can to with this one.

Just a thought.

At this point, I don't think the judge has decided ANYTHING...just that it's the public's right to know what those documents say. He hasn't decided to throw it out or proceed just yet.


relax. judge hasn't made a decision yet. I know everyone wants a quick decision but judges have to follow a certain procedure, hearings, oppositions, motions and it takes time.

The public have NO RIGHT what so ever to hear this as it is really a personal matter but then again wade doesnt think it is

actually both Estate and Wade wanted it sealed, judge wanted it redacted. The reason is public do have a right to access information . Supreme courts have ruled public can have access to the court documents.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Is Wade saying that Michael m*l*sted him in 90 and waited 3 years to "coach" him ?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Is Wade saying that Michael m*l*sted him in 90 and waited 3 years to "coach" him ?

Yes. Apparently he started to molest him on just on his second visit to NL, when he was 7, but did not feel the need to groom and coach him until the Chandler allegations. :crazy
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

A persons right to a fair trial should over ride the publics right to know. So the judge throws the creditors claim out and or the civil lawsuit. the damage is done because the allegations have now been released and or leaked. thete is no protection for the accused. everything should be sealed until at least its decided that a case will actually go to trial. so radar has been given leaked docs? or did the judge think its ok to release claims of full on sex.

as someone else said the ppl have a right to know about this but not the info snowden leaked!!
 
“Doe 1 [Jackson] called me constantly and coached me by acting out similar role play as he did with me in 1993 when I was 11, telling me such things as ‘They are making up all these lies about you and I. They are trying tying to take US down, take away my power and money, take away our careers. We can’t let them do this. We have to fight them together.’”


If MJ molested him then why did he tell him "they are making up all these lies about you and I". I mean supposedly he was talking to the boy he molested. So why would he say that to that boy if he really molested him? Doesn't make sense.

I wonder if like so many others they too taped Michael's phones and if there are existing tapes on which Michael says some of these things, like that these were lies and it was "disgusting sexual stuff" that he was accused of and if they will try to twist and say it was a "role play" and use that against him. Because otherwise I don't see the sense in them including these in their claim. Michael describing it as "disgusting sexual stuff" goes against the notion that he told him it was love and that Wade believed it was love. Michael telling him "they are making up all these lies about you and I" goes against the notion that it was true.
 
"His lawyer told court, “It was only within the past year, as the result of a complete psychological collapse arising from the fulfilling of a ‘prophecy’ made by the Decedent [Jackson] to Claimant [Robson] that Claimant would one day direct films and a fear that was happened to him as a child could also happen to his own young son, that Claimant, with the assistance of insight-orientented therapy, has relayed that his relationship with his god, his idol and his father figure, Michael Jackson, which began when Claimant was only five years old, was built on sexual abuse and that Claimant was the victim of extensive psychological trauma."

What is Insight-Oriented Therap?

Insight-Oriented Psychotherapy


What is Insight-oriented Psychotherapy?


Insight-oriented psychotherapy is a form of treatment that helps people through understanding and expressing feelings, motivations, beliefs, fears and desires. The understanding develops in the context of a therapeutic relationship. Insight-oriented psychotherapy has developed from psychoanalysis, a form of therapy first established by Sigmund Freud. Central concepts include the belief that psychiatric symptoms and patterns of behaviour, are partially determined by unconscious forces related to a patient's early life experience. Insight-oriented psychotherapy, as practiced today at Psychiatric Services is quite different from the image of the patient lying on a couch with the silent analyst in the background, working with classical drive theory. Clinicians working here are influenced mainly by the more contemporary models of object relations and self-psychology, which stress the importance of both early and current relationships in mental health.

How Does It Work?

The therapist and the patient meet face to face. The patient is instructed to speak as freely as possible, saying whatever comes to mind. The therapist's task is to listen in an empathic way, paying attention to the feeling component of the material including any discomfort or anxiety that the patient experiences. The therapist looks for patterns in the patient's material that suggest recurrent conflicts that the patient may be unaware of. The therapist comments on what the patient says and asks questions in order to further the patient's self-understanding. In asking questions the therapist helps the patient to become aware of fears and expectations that he/she may not have been previously consciously aware of.
How Effective Is It?

The length of treatment varies depending on the needs and circumstances of the patient. Sometime in the process of an assessment of two to six sessions a great deal can be clarified and ongoing therapy may not be necessary. In some instances, the /counsellor/clinician may propose a course of time-limited or brief insight-oriented psychotherapy where the therapist and patient agree to focus on one key goal or issue and to impose a time limit, (usually sixteen sessions). When therapy is open-ended it may last from several months to several years. When a patient requires lengthy therapy, the Service will facilitate a referral to an appropriate community therapist, as the Service has limited resources.

Insight-oriented psychotherapy can be effective for many clinical conditions including mood disorders, anxiety disorders, substance abuse disorders, eating disorders, sexual dysfunctions, adjustment disorders and some personality disorders. As well it can provide a beneficial approach for people experiencing relational, family or academic problems.

Suitability For Insight-oriented Psychotherapy

Insight-oriented psychotherapy can be extremely challenging for patients. People often feel quite anxious when given the opportunity to say anything that comes to mind. It can be distressing for a person to reveal thoughts and feelings that he or she may experience as embarrassing or shameful. The therapist is sensitive to the fact that patients may experience strong and sometimes disturbing feelings, as well as painful memories in the course of therapy. Patients may also experience a variety of feelings about the therapist, both positive and negative. Talking about these feelings with the therapist can be challenging and difficult, but it can ultimately be very rewarding.

Prior to starting insight-oriented psychotherapy, the counsellor/clinician thoroughly assesses the patient for diagnosis and suitability for this type of therapy. The therapist develops an initial understanding of the patient that will help guide therapy. Insight-oriented therapists use an expressive-supportive continuum of interventions. The therapist varies the emphasis on providing support versus insight, depending on the need of a particular patient and on the needs of each patient at a particular time. Often as a result of the assessment, the clinician will discuss the benefits of combining medication with psychotherapy.

http://caps.utoronto.ca/Services-Offered/Individual-Psychotherapy/Insight-oriented-Psychotherapy.htm


No wonder TMZ thought it was about repressed memory therapy. It kind of seems similar...

Sometimes drugs may be involved too:

Psychedelics and Insight-Oriented Psychotherapy

Some evidence suggests that the process of insight-oriented psychotherapy can be improved by the use of drugs, which can be described as psychedelic drugs (meaning "mind-manifesting"). [11] Psychedelic substances, such as amphetamine MDMA, can be used in psychotherapy to reinforce and enhance the relationship between the healthcare professional and his or her client (or patient).[12] Such substances can be used to better manage abreaction and catharsis and improve the quality of understanding between the healthcare professional and patient.[13]
Numerous clinical papers on the effectiveness of psychedelics in Insight-Oriented drug therapy have been published. [14] [15] These psychedelics were used to treat a wide variety of psychological issues, including "alcoholism, obsessional neurosis, and sociopathy". [16] [17] Furthermore, it was found that psychedelics were effective in easeing the process of dying patients. [18] A major reason for the clinical interest in psychedelic drugs for psychoanalysis was the belief of some experimental subjects that the experience of using psychedelic medication reduced their feelings of guilt and made them less depressed and anxious and more self-accepting, tolerant, and alert. [19]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insight-oriented_psychothera py
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

what exactly did w.r think the chandker and arvizo cases were about and what did he think the coaching was about if according to w.r sexual abuse was normal. u would have thought as he travelled to testify in 05 he would have thought thats strange mj did to me what he did to arvizo so maybe its not normal after all????? hummmmm. this is ridiculous why am i even arguing this .

So w.r thought an adult having sex with a child was normal until he got into his thirties. if thats the case hes been a danger to children and his own son. and frankly has a mental disorder and should be sectioned questions could be asked as to what hes been doing the last 15 years or so
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

A persons right to a fair trial should over ride the publics right to know. So the judge throws the creditors claim out and or the civil lawsuit. the damage is done because the allegations have now been released and or leaked. thete is no protection for the accused. everything should be sealed until at least its decided that a case will actually go to trial. so radar has been given leaked docs? or did the judge think its ok to release claims of full on sex.

as someone else said the ppl have a right to know about this but not the info snowden leaked!!


Absolutely agree.
The only tangible effect of releasing this kind of information now is tainting the potential jury pool. Any judge that allows this information to be released PRIOR to jury selection in a high profile case (whether it be civil or criminal) is not to be trusted IMO. They should be making an effort to protect both sides by not releasing any information they don't have to.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The kids should file a lawsuit against him for intentional infliction of emotional distress like mj did with guiterrez.put the shoe on the other foot and see how he likes it
 
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