[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Pff seriously.. my stomach just turns whenever something 'new' comes out about this WR stuff. It's hard to even read about it. What strikes me as odd is; '7 lines are blacked out', 7 lines? To describe 7 years of 'abuse'? :blink: I'm no expert in this but I would imagine if you'd file such a claim you'd make sure to explain what happened to you in great detail?
I also think it's weird that the so called role-playing is as simple as Michael saying 'oh we didn't do that, right?'. And that would be enough for a 22 year old to shut up about it..under oath..? The more he explains the more confused I get, he goes from 'I wasn't able to understand' to 'I know exactly what happened' to 'I was brainwashed' and all the while he's barbecuing with Michael..
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

"They are making up all these lies about you and I, saying that we did all this disgusting sexual stuff. They are just trying to take us down, take away my power and my money, take away our careers. We can't let them do this."


^-Sounds about right.

Remember when Wade also said:- "If you told then both of our careers would be over"

:doh: Wade just digs himself a bigger hole every time he opens his trap.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

And in this Wade claimed MJ said the acts were 'disgusting' yet on Matt Lauer he said MJ said it was 'love'. So if MJ said they were disgusting why didn't Wade know they were wrong until he was 30 years old:busted:
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

"They are making up all these lies about you and I, saying that we did all this disgusting sexual stuff. They are just trying to take us down, take away my power and my money, take away our careers. We can't let them do this."


Just from that excerpt, I feel like I have a bit of an idea what's going on.

I, honestly, don't have a doubt that Michael said those things, they sound like him. But when he said it, it was him "throwing out the line" and seeing who he could trust and who he couldn't. Both of them KNEW nothing happened but, of course, Michael had to be worried that people would get in there and brainwash Wade to think they did.

I can see it now. Wade had a breakdown (over God knows what), goes to a therapist. Wade probably repeated these things Michael said to him, and the therapist (not knowing Michael or his true intentions) begins to convince Wade that maybe something else happened and that Michael said those things in a malicious way and not the innocent way that Wade (and all of us) know is the truth. If the case is built around this brainwashing, I think it'll be easier to work around it. Michael isn't here to explain what he meant.

I'm afraid I disagree. I can't think of Michael saying anything like that at all...not with the 'we' phrasing. Michael said ' I would never do that, I would slit my wrists before I would harm a child. So I really don't believe Michael would ever have used the word 'we' in that context. (He was being accused, not the children).

Wade is using this phrasing to make Michael sound manipulative. By referring to fears that he might lose his power, Wade also implies that Michael used his power adversely...it is a subtle sub-context message about 'power over children ', although seeming to refer to his status / earning power as a star.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So the salicious details supposedly been redacted have now been leaked by robson? and no doubt nothing will happen

no, it seems like judge released the redacted documents. he said on june 25th he would release it later this week.

and "salicious details" are still redacted. they can read the role playing claims.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Guys, be very careful, and read very carefully all the docs and info, and add all the dots... in WRs claims and the official docs..., and... as I asked before... is there any chance to be in touch with Estates lawyers and give them all the info WE/MJJC have????? .... like here in/from the threads.... and everything from the 2003-2005 trial, of course... the testimony of WR....

Its very important to cooperate...
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade Robson has outlined the sexual molestation allegations against Michael Jackson, claiming MJ molested him in various ways from February 4, 1990 and 7 years thereafter.

REALLY? ...so during his marriage with Lisa, during HIStory tour...., so... what about the Arvizos scheme..... the same BS, the same pattern of... nonsensical timeline...

How is that possible... that there are people who really believe this BS?
We have to point out the nonsensical timeline to the discussions on the net!!!!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The creditors claim would be thrown out first because its past the statue of limitaions for filing a claim. not because the judge doesnt think the story is true. if for some stupid reason the judge waivers the limitation i guess its upto the judge to decide the truthfulness of his claim?

Yes, but suppose the case gets thrown out. That means MJ was never found guilty (or liable, whatever the legal term is) of abusing Wade in a court of law. So how can Wade then sue MJ's companies for failing to protect him from the "abuse", doesn't the Court have to be convinced that he was abused first? And if that's the case, and Wade uses the civil lawsuit to "prove" he was abused in order to receive compensation for it, isn't MJ basically being tried twice for the same crime? The same is true if the creditor's claim is decided in MJ's favour. If the Court in one case does not believe Wade's claim of abuse, can he still receive compensation for that same "abuse" in another case?

I believe the case is decided by a jury btw but I'm not sure.

Didn't he sue MJ's companies in the civil lawsuit? Isn't that independent from the creditor's claim? Ie. if the creditor's claim is thrown out the civil case could still go on?

Yes, I think so and that's what I don't understand. The two cases are based on the same crime, and the people involved are essentially the same (MJ's companies are just an extension of MJ, after all). I believe even the judge is the same (doesn't Judge Beckloff handle all the MJ-related cases?). So how can they really be "independent"? Surely the decision in one case has to have an impact on the other case? If MJ is found not guilty/liable in the cc why should his companies still have to pay compensation for abuse that never took place?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This case has become more laughable with each revelation. I am delighted that Wade is not using the repressed memories theory anymore so that each bit of testimony and detail since 1990 will be relevant.

I knew that Blanca's claim would make its way into his case. The problem with that is she eventually admitted to Mesereau that she really didn't see anyone in the shower except Michael and even that she was unsure of because it was "foggy," despite getting paid $20,000 from Diane Dimond to spread that tail to Hard Copy and other tabloids initially.

Also, Wade is going to have trouble explaining his 2005 testimony, including the pieces below where he is asked specifically about Blanca's claims.

MESEREAU: And at no time has any sexual contact ever occurred between you and Mr. Jackson, right?

ROBSON: Never.

MESEREAU: Have you ever taken a shower with Mr. Jackson?

ROBSON: No.

...

MESEREAU: Did anything inappropriate ever happen in that Jacuzzi?

ROBSON: No.

MESEREAU: Has anything inappropriate ever happened in any shower with you and Mr. Jackson?

ROBSON: No. Never been in a shower with him.

...

MESEREAU: Is everything you've said the complete and honest truth?

ROBSON: Yes.

MESEREAU: Did Mr. Jackson ever do anything wrong with you?

ROBSON: No.

...

ZONEN: You're telling us nothing happened; is that right?

ROBSON: Yes.

ZONEN: All right. What you're really telling us is nothing happened while you were awake; isn't that true?

ROBSON: I'm telling you that nothing ever happened.

ZONEN: Mr. Robson, when you were asleep, you wouldn't have known what had happened, particularly at age seven, would you have?

ROBSON: I would think something like that would wake me up.

...

MESEREAU: Never saw anything inappropriate happen, right?

ROBSON: No.

MESEREAU: Has anything this prosecutor for the government has said to you changed your opinion of Michael Jackson?

ROBSON: Not at all.

MESEREAU: Does it change your opinion as to whether or not he ever did anything inappropriate with a child?

ROBSON: Not at all.
 
According to the docs, Michael would role play with Wade, saying "They are saying we did all of this disgusting sexual stuff. We never did any of that, right?"

In another role-playing session in 2005 - during the molestation trial -- Michael allegedly told Wade, "They are making up all these lies about you and I, saying that we did all this disgusting sexual stuff. They are just trying to take us down, take away my power and my money, take away our careers. We can't let them do this."
I don´t believe at all that Michael said those things.
I can imagine it isn´t easy to be crossexamined and if Michael had said something like that it could have been used against him.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

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WADE ROBSON
DETAILS ALLEGED SEXUAL MOLESTATION AGAINST MJ

Wade Robson has outlined the sexual molestation allegations against Michael Jackson, claiming MJ molested him in various ways from February 4, 1990 and 7 years thereafter.

The documents -- obtained by TMZ are heavily redacted. In one section alone, 7 lines of alleged abuse are blacked out.

Wade's lawyer claims after MJ's first accuser -- Jordan Chandler -- made allegations against MJ, Michael started calling Wade and "brainwashed him into being a good soldier."

According to the docs, Michael would role play with Wade, saying "They are saying we did all of this disgusting sexual stuff. We never did any of that, right?"

In another role-playing session in 2005 - during the molestation trial -- Michael allegedly told Wade, "They are making up all these lies about you and I, saying that we did all this disgusting sexual stuff. They are just trying to take us down, take away my power and my money, take away our careers. We can't let them do this."

Am I missing something? How is this supposed to make MJ look guilty? That sounds like something an innocent person would say - and it's the truth.

Is Wade seriously going with his claim that MJ practiced role-playing games with him daily going back all the way to 1993? Who in their right minds would believe this? Can you imagine MJ calling Wade every day in the middle of a huge child abuse scandal and neither the FBI, the police, Wade's mother or anyone around Michael finds this suspicious? And how this qualifies as "role-playing" is beyond me, unless Wade's version of role-playing is Michael playing Michael, Wade playing Wade, and they're pretending to be in the real world :smilerolleyes:
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Is Wade seriously going with his claim that MJ practiced role-playing games with him daily going back all the way to 1993?

All the way back to 1990 in fact! :lol: The only reason Wade had to go with the 'it started when I was 7 in 1990' (essentially from when he first met Michael) claim is because that's when Blanca Francia was around, and he's using her tabloid claims to collaborate his non-story. Blanca's claims, of course, were not concocted until after the Chandler allegations and settlement made the news, a few years after she last worked at Neverland. Probably the least credible witness there could ever be.
 
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It gets worse


MJ Had Sex With Me On The SECOND Night I Stayed At Neverland — When I Was Just 7: Wade Robson Tells His Story Of Abuse

Posted on Jun 27, 2013 @ 15:46PM | By Dylan Howard

Splash News/WENN


Michael Jackson allegedly made his move on Wade Robson when he was just seven years of age — as his sister slept in another bed just feet away at Neverland Ranch in Santa Barbara, Calif.

Robson, now 30, has told how the King of Pop made his first sexual advances on the young child prodigy in his bedroom in 1990, as the Australia-born dancer’s older sister Chantal slept in the same room and with his mother often under the same room.

The abuse allegedly continued unabated for another two weeks and from then on, for a period of seven years.

“We can never tell anyone what WE are doing,” Jackson told Robson, according to new court documents filed in the father-of-one’s creditor’s claim against the Estate of the late singer and obtained by RadarOnline.com.

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In the declaration, Robson revealed the 13-time Grammy Award-winner suggested to him: “People are ignorant and they would never understand that we love each other and this is how we show it. If anyone were to ever find out, OUR lives and career would be over.”

Robson recounted how he first met Jackson at a meet-and-greet with the pop star during the Australian leg of his ‘Bad’ tour. Two years later, at age seven, he traveled with the Johnny Young Talent School located in Brisbane, Australia , to perform at Disneyland.

“Several family members traveled with me to America,” Robson said.

“During our stay in Los Angeles, I met Doe 1 [Jackson] at a recording studio in Van Nuys, California. During our meeting, Doe 1 invited me and my whole family to spend the weekend at his Santa Barbara County ranch, Neverland Valley Ranch. My family stayed the weekend at the ranch, but then left me alone with Doe for another week.”

On the first night at Neverland, Robson and sister Chantal both slept in Jackson’s bedroom — in the same bed as the singer — it’s claimed.

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But the following night, “Chantal expressed concern about sleeping in Doe 1′s bed and elected instead to sleep in a separate bed on a different floor of Doe’s two-floor bedroom.”

Robson, though, decided to sleep in Jackson’s bed again and that’s when his lifelong night was said to have begun.

“Doe 1 began sexually abusing me on or about that night,” Robson told court. “The sexual abuse continued every night through the nearly two weeks that I spent at the ranch during that early 1990 visit as well as at Doe 1′s apartment in the Westwood section of Los Angeles before my family and I returned to Australia.”

Specific allegations of abuse were heavily redacted from Robson’s filing. In one section alone, seven lines of alleged abuse were blacked out by the Los Angeles probate court in order to protect Robson’s privacy.

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However, according to sections of what has been released, even while Robson’s family was at Neverland, he continued to sleep with Jackson in his bed and “the sexual abuse continued.”

When Robson returned to Australia following his two-week visit, their relationship continued via faxes and frequent telephone conversations for “hours each week.”

He pledged to the “Thriller” hit-maker that he would never tell about what happened.

“I swore I would never tell a should about what we did and did not until May 2012,” Robson wrote in the seven page hand-signed declaration.

That wasn’t the end of the abuse, he said. Between the ages of seven and nine, Robson and his mother Joy traveled to the United States from their hometown of Brisbane on two occasions.

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“One trip was for one week and the other was for six weeks,” Robson said. “During these trips, my mother would stay in a hotel or guest room while I stayed with Doe 1 in his bedroom and in his bed. The sexual abuse continued every night we were together.

“It was during these years that my ‘God’ became my ‘friend’ and told me that he loved me and wanted to be with me.”

Shedding light on their apparent bond, Robson said Jackson — who died at age 50 in Los Angeles from an overdose of surgical anesthetic proposal — “encouraged” him to call him ‘Dad’ and he would, in turn, call him ‘Son’.

The pair, Robson claimed, would also watch explicit adult pornography in the form of magazines, books and videos — until it all stopped at age 14.

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That was when Robson began to show signs of puberty — and “the sexual abuse by Decedent [Jackson] became less frequent,” charged the court documents.

Complicating Robson’s bid for damages, he infamously denied in testimony at Jackson’s child molestation trial in 2005 that he’d been molested by the singer — charges Jackson was ultimately acquitted of partly based on the testimony of Robson, his sister and his mother.

According to Robson, Jackson had “coached” him every day to provide certain statements against claims of any sexual abuse, beginning with the Jordy Chandler case in September 1993.

“He would tell me that our phones were tapped and ‘they’ were listening to everything we said,” Robson said of conversations with Jackson.

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“He would role play with me and say to me, ‘They are saying we did all of this disgusting sexual stuff. We never did any of that, right?’ I would play along and answer, ‘No way!’ He would say, ‘If they believed that we did any of this sexual stuff, YOU AND I would go to jail for the rest of our lives. Our lives and careers would be over. We’ve got to fight this. We’ve got to beat them together.”

Jackson selected, hired and paid for the lawyer who represented Robson in relation to his testimony to the grand jury, it was also revealed.

Then, when Jackson was criminally charged in 2005, he again, allegedly, began to coach Robson.

“Doe 1 [Jackson] called me constantly and coached me by acting out similar role play as he did with me in 1993 when I was 11, telling me such things as ‘They are making up all these lies about you and I. They are trying tying to take US down, take away my power and money, take away our careers. We can’t let them do this. We have to fight them together.’”

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Robson recalled he would play along, just as he did when he was eleven.

“I still did not believe that I was sexually abused,” he said.

“I did not believe that I was forced. I believed that I was a consenting participant in the sexual acts that Doe and I engaged in. I also believed that I was absolutely fine with what went on between us.

“My state of mind was essentially the same as when I was eleven and I denied any abuse.”

According to Robson, it wasn’t until May 8, 2012 that he realized he’d been systematically abused – after he had the first of a series of nervous breakdowns which included feelings of extreme stress, anxiety, fear, depression and insomnia.

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His lawyer told court, “It was only within the past year, as the result of a complete psychological collapse arising from the fulfilling of a ‘prophecy’ made by the Decedent [Jackson] to Claimant [Robson] that Claimant would one day direct films and a fear that was happened to him as a child could also happen to his own young son, that Claimant, with the assistance of insight-orientented therapy, has relayed that his relationship with his god, his idol and his father figure, Michael Jackson, which began when Claimant was only five years old, was built on sexual abuse and that Claimant was the victim of extensive psychological trauma.

“The decision to pursue a claim against the Estate for the actions of Decedent was not one that Claimant arrived at without a careful and measured evaluation of its implications, as filing this Petition would necessarily mean that he would have to disclose to others the shameful and loathsome nature of his childhood sexual relationship with Decedent, the effects of which he has buried for decades.”

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Jackson’s estate have labelled Robson’s claims as “outrageous and pathetic.”

“This is a young man who has testified at least twice under oath over the past 20 years and said in numerous interviews that Michael Jackson never did anything inappropriate to him or with him,” lawyer Howard Weitzman said previously.

“Now, nearly four years after Michael has passed this sad and less than credible claim has been made. We are confident that the court will see this for what it is.”

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/06/michael-jackson-sexual-abuse-wade-robson/
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Oh God, this is truly horrible. My stomach turns reading this. What a despicable human being Wade Robson is. The sad thing is that these claims are hard to prove or disprove, it's basically Wade's word against Michael's but Michael is not here to defend himself. So tragic :(

I also don't doubt that Michael paid for Wade's legal expenses because he was always paying things for everyone and he probably felt it was his responsibility because Wade was testifying for him. If I was in that position and someone was burdened with legal expenses to defend me in court, I would offer to pay for it as well (if I could afford it).
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This makes me sick. What kind of world do we live in? Michael's kids are still grieving. Paris is in the hospital trying to deal with this and even though Prince is doing well he said he has trouble sleeping. He is devastated. I wonder how Blanket is coping. They don't even want to celebrate birthdays and they are kids because it's not the same without their dad. This is too much and not right. When is this going to stop and people stop abusing Michael? I want this to end.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm bracing myself, I feel that this is going to get very ugly. How can Wade look at himself in the mirror knowing that he's lying about his deceased "friend" like this? I just don't understand it - and in a way, I'm glad I don't understand it. I'm sure he's expecting to get tens of millions of dollars from this but is it really worth it in the end? I guess for some people, there's a price tag on integrity. These are the kinds of people MJ was surrounded with all his life. Profiteurs. Is it any wonder he found it hard to sleep at night?
 
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Oh God, this is truly horrible. My stomach turns reading this. What a despicable human being Wade Robson is. The sad thing is that these claims are hard to prove or disprove, it's basically Wade's word against Michael's but Michael is not here to defend himself. So tragic :(

I also don't doubt that Michael paid for Wade's legal expenses because he was always paying things for everyone and he probably felt it was his responsibility because Wade was testifying for him. If I was in that position and someone was burdened with legal expenses to defend me in court, I would offer to pay for it as well (if I could afford it).

wrong it is Wade' s words against Wade' s words
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

... well... the AEGs anti-jackson agenda=conspiracy has started... (I DO believe so..., this can not be a coincidence...)

Anyway... add your comments on the articles on the net!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Where's the proof that AEG is behind this? This is a story from a rag overseas. Either sold by Wade or his family. Namely his sister.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

... well... the AEGs anti-jackson agenda=conspiracy has started... (I DO believe so..., this can not be a coincidence...)

Anyway... add your comments on the articles on the net!

I think the conspiracy goes as far as Wade expecting the Estate (i.e. Katherine and PPB) to get a lot of money and him wanting a piece of the pie. I don't think AEG recruited him, some people are just this evil on their own.

Basically, what it comes down to is this:

- Wade is past his peak professionally and he's not making nearly as much money as he used to
- On the other hand, MJ's Estate has brought in hundreds of millions of dollars in the past few years and MJ's mother and children are currently sueing AEG for $40 billion
- Wade knows that a previous accusation of child abuse resulted in a $20 million pay-out for the accuser > he also knows he won't have to prove his case in a criminal trial because Michael is deceased (the burden of proof in a civil case is much lower)
- Wade is hoping to get a handsome pay-out from the Estate so he can retire (as he puts it, he needs to be compensated because he "can't relate to his art anymore")

That's all there is to it in my opinion. One man and his greed. Michael knew all about it.

I'll never betray or deceive you my friend but...
If you show me the cash
Then I will take it
If you tell me to cry
Then I will fake it
If you give me a hand
Then I will shake it
You'll do anything for money...

If you know it's a lie
Then you will swear it
If you give it with guilt
Then you will bear it
If it's taking a chance
Then you will dare it
You'll do anything for money...
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It will be interesting to hear what TMez has to say about Michael 'coaching' Robson during the 2005 trial.

On another matter, I consider myself a relatively intelligent person but I am still a little confused about what Robson is alleging. I mean, he has had a year between the traumatic revelation and the filing of the claim to give us something more credible.

And I have to say that Michael Jackson had real powerful mojo. To convince a 22 year old man that what they had done together was LOVE and not sexual abuse, even though MJ was on trial for showing that same LOVE to another boy. Hmm.

When you look beyond the salacious details, there is not much there from Wade. Not much at all.

ETA: Great to see you around TSCM!
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So... lets start re-reading all the testimonies and seeing the evidence from the 2005 trial and the 1993 case.... because... every single thing had been said and written and is available and all those players in the filthy game are the same, there is the same pattern, the same scheme, the same timeline, the same storyline, the same evidence, the same docs....


Robson is caught in his own trap! Or at least, this is not a coincidence, and Robson is not alone here.... hallo......
 
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It will be interesting to hear what TMez has to say about Michael 'coaching' Robson during the 2005 trial.

On another matter, I consider myself a relatively intelligent person but I am still a little confused about what Robson is alleging. I mean, he has had a year between the traumatic revelation and the filing of the claim to give us something more credible.

And I have to say that Michael Jackson had real powerful mojo. To convince a 22 year old man that what they had done together was LOVE and not sexual abuse, even though MJ was on trial for showing that same LOVE to another boy. Hmm.

Interestingly, Michael knew the phones were tapped but STILL coached/role-played over the phone. So Michael had powerful mojo and was a dumb as brick!

And I would love to find out how the logistics of these visits gibe with previous testimony. I never got the impression that Joy Robson stayed at a hotel while Wade stayed at Neverland. But then I am getting old and forgetful.

When you look beyond the salacious details, there is not much there from Wade. Not much at all.

ETA: Great to see you around TSCM!

I honestly still don't know what exactly he's alleging. The details seem to change with every new public statement. If I understand correctly, Wade is saying that up until last year, he believed that a grown man having sex with a 7-year-old is an expression of love. He did not understand that there was anything wrong with what Michael did to him, even though Michael had to "coach" him and practice role-playing every day so he wouldn't tell anyone about it. Apparently, Michael's brainwashing tactics were so effecive that even as a grown man in his early twenties, Wade did not realise that he was abused even as he was defending his abuser in court against the same type of acts that were done to him. Wade denied specific acts (kissing, laying close to each other in bed, touching private parts, etc.) but if he remembers everything Michael did to him, that means he either lied on the stand or the abuse he suffered never included any of the acts mentioned in his court testimony (which is impossible if Wade claims he was sexually abused). Which leads to the question of why Wade denied Michael ever kissed him or touched him inappropriately if at that time, he still believed it was an expression of love and there was nothing wrong with it?

I don't know how he can claim he never realised it was wrong when he was questioned about this by the police and by the media all his life and he even testified in a criminal trial as an adult about this very topic.
 
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I wanna know is this consider a hearing stages OR what???
 
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Wade's credibility will be destroyed in court in the same way that all of the tabloid-selling witnesses were in 2005, except there's far more ammunition against Wade than anyone else. He will be read line-by-line his 1993-1994 interviews and more importantly his 2005 sworn testimony. Not to mention all of the positive words he said about Michael for years after his death. Even though civil cases are much easier to win than criminal cases and LA jurors have shown complete ignorance in past MJ cases (notably the Marc Schaffel fraud), I am still confident any jury will see right through Wade's lies. Sadly, the bigger annoyance is that Wade and his crew will continue spreading this filth through the media regardless of any court rulings.

There is absolutely no way that Wade--being in his 20s--would have voluntarily lied through his teeth, under oath and against penalty of perjury, while facing fierce cross-examination, all to protect someone who supposedly abused him for seven years as a youth. Wade not only denied any sexual abuse repeatedly, but he provided very specific answers to very targeted questions by both Mesereau and Zonen about what Michael did with him. There is no getting around this for Wade.

If Wade were truly molested, he would have wanted to "help other victims" by testifying against Michael in 2005 to help secure his conviction. His fake ploy in the media now that he's doing this to help other victims is absolute nonsense--he could surely have helped the Arvizos in '05 had he really been molested and had a story to tell.
 
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Personally, I wonder what the judge was thinking by letting this garbage get released. This is exactly why I have such a negative opinion of judges when Michael Jackson is involved. I knew the media were only being quiet about Wade's claims for all that time because they were waiting for this to happen. Now this mess is probably everywhere and Wade's supporters are clapping their hands with glee. This is so disgusting that I feel sick to my stomach.
 
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Wade's credibility will be destroyed in court in the same way that all of the tabloid-selling witnesses were in 2005, except there's far more ammunition against Wade than anyone else. He will be read line-by-line his 1993-1994 interviews and more importantly his 2005 sworn testimony. Not to mention all of the positive words he said about Michael for years after his death. Even though civil cases are much easier to win than criminal cases and LA jurors have shown complete ignorance in past MJ cases (notably the Marc Schaffel fraud), I am still confident any jury will see right through Wade's lies. Sadly, the bigger annoyance is that Wade and his crew will continue spreading this filth through the media regardless of any court rulings.

There is absolutely no way that Wade--being in his 20s--would have voluntarily lied through his teeth, under oath and against penalty of perjury, while facing fierce cross-examination, all to protect someone who supposedly abused him for seven years as a youth. Wade not only denied any sexual abuse repeatedly, but he provided very specific answers to very targeted questions by both Mesereau and Zonen about what Michael did with him. There is no getting around this for Wade.

If Wade were truly molested, he would have wanted to "help other victims" by testifying against Michael in 2005 to help secure his conviction. His fake ploy in the media now that he's doing this to help other victims is absolute nonsense--he could surely have helped the Arvizos in '05 had he really been molested and had a story to tell.

I hope you're right. I just don't have that much faith in the justice system when it comes to this. So many innocent people have been found guilty of child sexual abuse and spent years in prison even though there was no real evidence against them (watch the Sean Penn documentary Witch Hunt, for example). In this case, the jury may feel that a "guilty" verdict won't do much harm to Michael (since he won't have to go to jail and he has more than enough money to pay for compensation anyway) so they may be more likely to rule in favour of Wade, just to be safe. And IF Michael is held liable, the public will interpret that to mean he was guilty and that could destroy his legacy forever.

The fact that he's relying on people like Blanca Francia to corroborate his story says it all, really. She has even less credibility than he does. Soon he's gonna call on that couple from the Philipines, lol.

The sad thing is that even if this case gets thrown out, the allegations are out there now and haters are going to have a field day with it -_-
 
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I hope you're right. I just don't have that much faith in the justice system when it comes to this. So many innocent people have been found guilty of child sexual abuse and spent years in prison even though there was no real evidence against them (watch the Sean Penn documentary Witch Hunt, for example). In this case, the jury may feel that a "guilty" verdict won't do much harm to Michael (since he won't have to go to jail and he has more than enough money to pay for compensation anyway) so they may be more likely to rule in favour of Wade, just to be safe. And IF Michael is held liable, the public will interpret that to mean he was guilty and that could destroy his legacy forever.

The fact that he's relying on people like Blanca Francia to corroborate his story says it all, really. She has even less credibility than he does. Soon he's gonna call on that couple from the Philipines, lol.

The sad thing is that even if this case gets thrown out, the allegations are out there now and haters are going to have a field day with it -_-

I agree with you. I hate to say it. But this could sink Michael's legacy forever. So the Estate and Michael's supporters who go to court need to be ready to deal with Wade's trash. Because as bad as this is right now with those documents being released, it's probably going to get even worse before it's over.
 
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If the stuff being alleged in the AEG trial has not destroyed Michael's legacy, I don't see how this will. There was an article in the anniversary thread talking about this same thing and most of the people interviewed grudgingly admitted that Michael's legacy is assured, that his astronomical level of fame has insulated his legacy to a great degree.

As it relates to Michael and child molestation, people have made up their minds - either he did it or he did not. For those who believe he did not, I don't see Robson holding much credibility.

And we need to have faith in the Estate and its lawyers. They would be privy to stuff about Michael and about Wade that we have no idea about. These people are professionals, they know what they are about. I don't think the hand-wringing about them is necessary.

Wait - it has just occurred to me that what Robson is alleging is a departure for Michael "the monster molester". I thought he LIKED them to be in their teens and as they got older, he got tired of them. Now Robson is alleging that Michael liked boys as young 5/7 and grew tired WHEN they hit their teens ... Hmm.
 
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