[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

How ridiculous that both sides want it sealed yet the judge wants it released. Its not as if theres an argument amongst the two sides. even more pointless when u can leak what u want anyway and nothing ever happens. what a joje that docs get released before the judge has even decided whether the claim can go ahead. call me stupid but shouldnt u decide the merit of the case before u even care about what should be released. talk about smearing the accused
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So are those two john does two celebs? is he saying two other celebs abused him aswell? or am i confusing things.
 
I think they are probably the two Johns. I would not call them celebs though.

"I don't know that he'll ever be able to relate to his art again.”

Translation: He will need a LOT of money to be compensated, since he will never be able to work any more. :smilerolleyes:
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yeah he couldnt be more obvious could he. lets hope the drug talk was true

why would the two johns be down as john does and for their names to be redacted though. theres no damage to
them if they are just named as a techniquality because they are executors.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I was out of work myself for nearly six months last year. Shame I never got to meet Michael, my repressed memory could've come up with something to ease my unemployment.

Oh, I forgot it's not repressed memory now...
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I had to laugh at the lawyer saying the reason Wade isn't getting work is because he can't "relate to his art."

Yeah, keep telling yourself that Wade.
 
respect77;3854066 said:
Some related info in this article as well:

“It’s a tragedy,” Robson's lawyer Henry Gradstein told The News outside court, referring to the alleged molestation and the reported breakdown that led his client to come forward. “He’s not working. I don't know that he'll ever be able to relate to his art again.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...tody-daughter-article-1.1382188#ixzz2XGNUmAYJ

So predictable. I'm sure the potential wages he lost due to his sudden mental breakdown will be more than what he's earned in a lifetime. His career trajectory was "off the charts" after all :smilerolleyes:

We'll see how soon he's working again when it's decided that he's not getting a penny from the Estate.

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“It’s a tragedy,” Robson’s lawyer Henry Gradstein told The News Tuesday, referring to the alleged molestation and the reported breakdown that led his client to come forward.

“He is not working. I don’t know that he’ll ever be able to relate to his art again.”

It's true. Wade will never be able to "relate to his art" again considering the past few years his "career" has related specifically to imitating and teaching the art of Michael's music and dance. In 2012, Wade's only claim to fame was teaching some dance sessions on the Pulse Tour, where he specifically taught Michael Jackson's UNBREAKABLE. In 2011, he was singing Michael's praises with anticipation of working on the Cirque du Soleil show where he'd get to imitate his idol.

So, Wade's attorney is right about that part. Wade decided to throw Michael under the bus hoping for a handsome payout (from both court and the media) since his career has tanked and because he wasn't chosen to star as his "former" idol in Cirque du Soleil. He has nobody to blame but himself for his now failed career.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate



Robson can't dance after Jackson 'trauma'
11:03am June 26, 2013


A Los Angeles judge is mulling whether to make public the names of two "celebrities" and "salacious" details included in court documents filed by Australian dance choreographer Wade Robson who alleges pop star Michael Jackson molested him as a child.

Lawyers for Robson and Jackson's estate requested all documents be sealed to protect Robson and Jackson's three children, but Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff rejected that.

The judge says he will agree to some redactions, and the edited documents are expected to be released later this week.

During a hearing in downtown LA on Tuesday, Judge Beckloff described two people named in Robson's filings as celebrities and said his tentative decision was to not redact their names.

Lawyers for Jackson's estate have argued redactions should be made to protect the late entertainer's three children - Prince, Paris and Blanket.

"I want to raise the privacy issues and concerns of the family, specifically the minor beneficiaries," Jackson estate lawyer Howard Weitzman said.

"I think those interests might outweigh the interest the public might have in salacious details."

Judge Beckloff also supervises the guardianship of Jackson's three children and during the hearing he told the court he'd sent an investigator earlier this month to look into media reports that 15-year-old Paris had attempted to take her own life.

One of the reported triggers of the suicide attempt was Robson's claim the King of Pop was a sexual predator who brainwashed, threatened and committed sex acts on him from the age of seven through to 14.

Judge Beckloff told the court he was satisfied no changes should be made to the current arrangement of grandmother Katherine Jackson and cousin TJ Jackson acting as the children's guardians.

In deciding whether sections of Robson's filings should be redacted, Paris' vulnerability could be taken into account. "I think Mr Weitzman wants to argue that is a circumstance, that minor's circumstance and situation, that I should consider in considering their request for additional material be sealed," the judge said.

Robson's molestation claims emerged in May when he filed a late creditor's claim against the deceased pop star's estate.

The 30-year-old, originally from Brisbane, had been Jackson's staunchest supporter, testifying under oath at Jackson's 2005 child molestation trial that Jackson never molested him.

Robson claims it wasn't until after Jackson's 2009 death and the birth of his son that he was psychologically and emotionally able and willing to understand he was sexually abused.

Robson was one of the world's top choreographers, working with Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears and winning an Emmy Award for his work on the US version of TV competition So You Think You Can Dance.

He also co-wrote hit songs for 'NSync and Backstreet Boys.
His lawyer, Henry Gradstein, said Robson could no longer dance, sing or write songs.
"It now makes him sick doing what he has talent to do," Mr Gradstein said.


http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/06/26/05/24/us-judge-to-make-robson-court-files-public
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

No he is suing Michael through the Estate outright over his molestation charge. not as a probate credit claim like the first one but as a civil suit (not criminal) . Doe 2 and Doe 3 are most likely the executors _ Right now that case is sealed

Oh ok thanks ivy

Cuz i heard he was gonna sue joe cuz joe had stood up for michael
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He also co-wrote hit songs for 'NSync and Backstreet Boys.

Thats a first i've heard of this....
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This case is already a mess from top to bottom. And now, considering what the Judge said, it's only going to get worse.
 
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During a hearing in downtown LA on Tuesday, Judge Beckloff described two people named in Robson's filings as celebrities and said his tentative decision was to not redact their names.

I think it's Branca and McClain but it's odd to describe them as celebrities. Maybe the Judge meant they are in the public eye anyway so there's no interest in seal their names? Well, we will see.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If itss not the two johns they are prob dead aswell so they cant rebute
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm wondering if the two "Johns" are the other companies that Wade is suing or are they the people who were supposed to be waiting to accuse Michael?
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This is what I am not understanding. Why is it so traumatizing now why was it not traumatizing when he was on the stand in 05? All of the sudden when he has not worked in a while it was traumatizing? The last job I recall him having was teaching people to one of Michael's songs how to dance. Again the biggest mistake they made so thus far I am sure they will make more was letting Wade go on TV and him saying I remember everything he did.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I can't imagine a judge wd describe 2 lawyers as 'celebrities'. It might be clearer from the context. The actual allegations are only in one paragraph and that will thankfully be redacted.

It seems ridiculous that these filings in a civil suit are to be made public if both parties want them sealed - usa's freedom of info is really something else. Sometimes public interest is just prurient interest and i'm glad the estate lawyers brought up paris's circumstances even if the judge didn't seem partic swayed by them.
 
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I can't imagine a judge wd describe 2 lawyers as 'celebrities'. It might be clearer from the context. The actual allegations are only in one paragraph and that will thankfully be redacted.

It seems ridiculous that these filings in a civil suit are to be made public if both parties want them sealed - usa's freedom of info is really something else. Sometimes public interest is just prurient interest and i'm glad the estate lawyers brought up paris's circumstances even if the judge didn't seem partic swayed by them.
It is sad that you can make any kind of claim against someone in court. That is what I hate about our system.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate



Robson can't dance after Jackson 'trauma'
11:03am June 26, 2013


A Los Angeles judge is mulling whether to make public the names of two "celebrities" and "salacious" details included in court documents filed by Australian dance choreographer Wade Robson who alleges pop star Michael Jackson molested him as a child.

Lawyers for Robson and Jackson's estate requested all documents be sealed to protect Robson and Jackson's three children, but Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff rejected that.

The judge says he will agree to some redactions, and the edited documents are expected to be released later this week.

During a hearing in downtown LA on Tuesday, Judge Beckloff described two people named in Robson's filings as celebrities and said his tentative decision was to not redact their names.

Lawyers for Jackson's estate have argued redactions should be made to protect the late entertainer's three children - Prince, Paris and Blanket.

"I want to raise the privacy issues and concerns of the family, specifically the minor beneficiaries," Jackson estate lawyer Howard Weitzman said.

"I think those interests might outweigh the interest the public might have in salacious details."

Judge Beckloff also supervises the guardianship of Jackson's three children and during the hearing he told the court he'd sent an investigator earlier this month to look into media reports that 15-year-old Paris had attempted to take her own life.

One of the reported triggers of the suicide attempt was Robson's claim the King of Pop was a sexual predator who brainwashed, threatened and committed sex acts on him from the age of seven through to 14.

Judge Beckloff told the court he was satisfied no changes should be made to the current arrangement of grandmother Katherine Jackson and cousin TJ Jackson acting as the children's guardians.

In deciding whether sections of Robson's filings should be redacted, Paris' vulnerability could be taken into account. "I think Mr Weitzman wants to argue that is a circumstance, that minor's circumstance and situation, that I should consider in considering their request for additional material be sealed," the judge said.

Robson's molestation claims emerged in May when he filed a late creditor's claim against the deceased pop star's estate.

The 30-year-old, originally from Brisbane, had been Jackson's staunchest supporter, testifying under oath at Jackson's 2005 child molestation trial that Jackson never molested him.

Robson claims it wasn't until after Jackson's 2009 death and the birth of his son that he was psychologically and emotionally able and willing to understand he was sexually abused.

Robson was one of the world's top choreographers, working with Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears and winning an Emmy Award for his work on the US version of TV competition So You Think You Can Dance.

He also co-wrote hit songs for 'NSync and Backstreet Boys.
His lawyer, Henry Gradstein, said Robson could no longer dance, sing or write songs.
"It now makes him sick doing what he has talent to do," Mr Gradstein said.


http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/06/26/05/24/us-judge-to-make-robson-court-files-public
LOL. This guy is making himself look more stupid than he already looks.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm wondering if the two "Johns" are the other companies that Wade is suing or are they the people who were supposed to be waiting to accuse Michael?

If those were companies the Judge would not have described them as celebrities. Though it would be odd to describe the Johns as such as well. That other people are waiting to accuse Michael was nothing but a tabloid rumor in one of the trashiest tabloids. No such thing can be derived from the court documents so far. The other "DOES" are accused (such as Michael's companies, Branca and McClain etc.), not accusers.
 
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I can't imagine a judge wd describe 2 lawyers as 'celebrities'. It might be clearer from the context.

The names might be revealed. One article wrote:

During a hearing in downtown LA on Tuesday, Judge Beckloff described two people named in Robson's filings as celebrities and said his tentative decision was to not redact their names.

Now that I think about it. The articles do not say the two celebrities are accused. They are just mentioned in Robson's filings. Could be celebrities he met through Michael or just the celebrities mentioned whom Robson worked for in the past (Britney etc.). We will see.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Dont the original filings mention a john doe.do we have access to them or is it just what tmz reported? in what context were the names reported cause from that we should be able to work out the connection
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Id think they have a direct connection to the case. say for example mac who might have been at the ranch at the same time hes saying something happened. i cant believe hed be stupid enough to accuse others who can defend themselves

The names might be revealed. One article wrote:



Now that I think about it. The articles do not say the two celebrities are accused. They are just mentioned in Robson's filings. Could be celebrities he met through Michael or just the celebrities mentioned whom Robson worked for in the past (Britney etc.). We will see.
 
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Lawyers for Robson and Jackson's estate requested all documents be sealed to protect Robson and Jackson's three children, but Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff rejected that.

This is insane. Can anyone explain to me how revealing salacious details of alleged child abuse falls under "public interest" but informing the public that they're being spied on on a massive scale is a serious crime? Seems this right to freedom of information is rather selective.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Even if he were to seal everything the media can go to court and request unsealing.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Bracing myself for a bad week......
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I wonder why Wade's side would want to have the case sealed since they were releasing statements to the media calling Michael a "monster". What good would that do for them? It doesn't really matter now. But still, the fact that they tried to keep the case from the public doesn't make sense to me. Could it be because they knew there were serious credibility problems with this from the very start?
 
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I wonder why Wade's side would want to have the case sealed since they were releasing statements to the media calling Michael a "monster". What good would that do for them? It doesn't really matter now. But still, the fact that they wanted to keep the case from the public doesn't make sense to me.

I think he doesn't want his statements to come under scrutiny because he knows they don't hold up. He probably hoped he could file this claim quietly, get a quick pay-out from the Estate, and go back to his normal life. It was only after the media had discovered his claim that he went out on the attack and called Michael a "monster" among other things. That's why it's so ironic to hear Wade say he's doing this to be a voice for other victims and that money is not going to silence him.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade wanted to file this secretly, get a pay out and go to Hawaii.. It didn't work out that way because the creditor's claim was found out. Also Wade has deep credibility issues his 2005 under oath testimony, his years of praising MJ and up until 2012 praising MJ has a man that taught him humanity. Now suddenly he's calling MJ a monster.. Unlike 1993 and even 2003 there are plenty of videos, interviews and other things where Wade voluntarily praises MJ even after his death. His OPUS contribution is out there for the world to see. MJ was dead then so he wasn't influencing Wade to say anything.
 
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