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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade is just a bit slow on the uptake. What's your problem guys?
 
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IMO a crazy person doesn't know what he/she does, he knows exactly what he's doing. Robson realized the repressed memory thing was an idiotic excuse and he's just trying with another idiotic one.
 
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Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
IMO a crazy person doesn't know what he/she does, he knows exactly what he's doing. Robson realized the repressed memory thing was an idiotic excuse and he's just trying with another idiotic one.
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I have no doubt that Wade knows exactly what he's doing, that's why he's more dangerous and malicious than the other accusers. He's probably spent months doing research into child abuse cases and the trauma related to it before he dared to go public with his claims. It's no coincidence that Wade keeps stressing how "typical" his situation is and how he's responding just like a real victim would. The only problem for Wade is that his actions don't match his words. Speaking out about the abuse because you want to be a voice for other victims may sound great in those self-help books, but in Wade's case it doesn't make any sense because he filed the claims under seal and he only spoke out about it to defend himself against accusations from the Estate (according to Wade himself). Saying your claims are not about money but about justice may sound noble but it's not very convincing when you're filing a creditor's claim against a dead man. Being unable or unwilling to understand that you were abused may sound reasonable in many cases, but not when you have been confronted with this question your whole life and denied any sexual contact with your "abuser" even as an adult testifying under oath. Saying you did not understand there was anything wrong with what happened to you when you were little may seem plausible in and of itself, but not when you also claim that your "abuser" threatened you by saying you would both go to prison and your careers would be over if this ever came out - and if your "abuser" is facing a criminal investigation for doing to another boy what he allegedly did to you. Also, if he realised all along that he was abused but he was too ashamed to come out about it (as his cousin Jonathan claims), that does not explain why he continued to praise MJ whenever he had the chance, before and after his death, and even wanted to direct a huge tribute show as recently as last year.

The only mental problem Wade has is that he apparently has no conscience.
 
laramay;3847637 said:
Here you go :) Part One is being uploaded as well but this is the part where Ron & Tom speak.

[video=youtube;2ZFKp_VgU30]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZFKp_VgU30[/video]
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The word "salacious" kept coming up about the 2005 trial. Something salacious is full of juicy details — but they're the kind of raunchy, lusty, dirty details you probably don't want to hear.
Implying a certain kind of moral looseness, salacious is often used to describe nasty gossip, obscene reports and steamy tales. Salacious things are usually not fit for general public consumption and probably need some kind of parental guidance warning. Think of the tawdry accounts of some politician's affair with a staffer, or a particularly sex-filled reality show on TV.

That's why the media reporting during the trial wasn't about the truth of the trial, just salacious tidbits for public consumption. It was nasty gossip, it was obscene reports, as in Blanca Francia's testimony of Wade Robson showering with Michael Jackson. I heard that on the radio news and was aghast. The trial was full of juicy details, because nobody wanted to report the truth, behind the salacious headlines. Even Berry Gordy saw this going on and talked to Tom Mesereau about it and how the verdict cost the media billions of dollars. Yikes!
 
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jaydom7 said:
Exactly! There is no way he didn't know.. For 20 years he's been asked about his friendship with MJ and testified twice under oath, been stalked by the tabloids and reporters and been harassed by police and prosecutors and I am sure read up on the allegations from Chandler and hell even been around MJ for those years while MJ was being investigated for abuse so why didn't he know??? Why is trying to play dumb?
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He is trying to play dumb, because he needs some money. His lawyer is dumb too, if he does not see that what Wade is saying makes no sense. Maybe they will say he makes no sense because that is a typical abused person's behavior.
 
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Thanks Laramay. I did't even know this happened so watching the video is going to be very interesting....
 
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LindavG said:
The only mental problem Wade has is that he apparently has no conscience.
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I think the correct medical term for someone with no conscience is a psychopath!!!!!!
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Does anyone know what happened with this now? Did I miss something? Because I couldn't find any news about what was decided by the judge.
 
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Billie Jean 78 said:
Does anyone know what happened with this now? Did I miss something? Because I couldn't find any news about what was decided by the judge.
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Ivy will be giving updates in the Case thread stickied in this forum
Wade Robson Case - Creditor/abuse claim against MJ Estate ( News info only )

Here is the latests update. There will be a hearing June 25th also another case wade is bringing
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...only-)/page2?p=3838465&viewfull=1#post3838465
 
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That other case is the one where he is suing joe jackson just cuz he stood up for michael isn it..?
 
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8701girl said:
That other case is the one where he is suing joe jackson just cuz he stood up for michael isn it..?
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No he is suing Michael through the Estate outright over his molestation charge. not as a probate credit claim like the first one but as a civil suit (not criminal) . Doe 2 and Doe 3 are most likely the executors _ Right now that case is sealed

Beckoff, who is overseeing the probate case involving Jackson's massive estate, said he will also handle a separate lawsuit filed by Robson against Jackson and two other defendants listed as "Doe 2" and "Doe 3" that includes allegations of abuse by the entertainer. That lawsuit also remains sealed.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Man, I bet Wade "The Loser" Robson is hating the sound of all dem crickets.

I know how it works, and tomorrow is another day, but I must admit I'm enjoying all of this silence. Especially when I just know Robson was hoping for the opposite reaction from the media.
 
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I just recently watched a movie on the life of Brian Jones, an original member of the band, the Rolling Stones. So many beautiful woman that surrounded the group and perfectly chiseled.

This is a perfect case in point of why Michael Jackson preferred to be around innocent's, children. The fetishness of these band member's was a bit overwhelming, as the drug's they took to achieve a 'high' was a bit out of my realm.

It makes more sense of why Michael Jackson did "Dirty Diana." These beautiful women who hang around the rich and famous rock star's, who will do your every desire, having sex with these males, their fantasies and dirty desires and partying it up with drug's and alcohol. No repercussions, no consequences, a free-for-all!
 
qbee;3850511 said:
No he is suing Michael through the Estate outright over his molestation charge. not as a probate credit claim like the first one but as a civil suit (not criminal) . Doe 2 and Doe 3 are most likely the executors _ Right now that case is sealed
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Isn't that the one where the other defendants are mjj productions and mj ventures, wade sueing these companies for not protecting him from mj. Or is that another civil lawsuit, it's hard to keep up with the litigious wade.

“Try as we may to get victims to disclose what happened to them, they just don’t do it on our schedule, they do it when they are ready,” Zonen, who was the Santa Barbara senior assistant district attorney at the time, told Radar exclusively.
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What is he on about? The prosecution in 05 never attempted to get wade, mac and brett to disclose anything to them. They were just content to get dubious witnesses on the stand to declare these men victims of mj, knowing the men had always denied anything had happened. They were shocked that these men braved the worldwide publicity and media circus that surrounded this trial to come and testify for mj as his defence witnesses, esp as try as they might they couldn't get jordie anywhere near the courthouse.
 
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Bonnie Blue said:
What is he on about? The prosecution in 05 never attempted to get wade, mac and brett to disclose anything to them. They were just content to get dubious witnesses on the stand to declare these men victims of mj, knowing the men had always denied anything had happened. They were shocked that these men braved the worldwide publicity and media circus that surrounded this trial to come and testify for mj as his defence witnesses, esp as try as they might they couldn't get jordie anywhere near the courthouse.
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Exactly! They witnessed that the prosecution never tried to contact them. It was obvious that they were hoping that they wouldn't dare to show up in court. It's as if Ron has been trying to put the blame elsewhere and come up with excuses to make Michael look guilty everytime they're put in the hot spot. Like in the Frozen In Time seminar speech I uploaded earlier; He tried to say that the jury wasn't the type of jury he had preferred to have and complained that most of them were un-employed and students. As if that would make them less intelligent or unreasonable or unfair; It's ridicilous! Especially since Tom Mesereau surprised them during the jury selections by settling with the jury that the prosecution thought the defence would be unsatisfied with just because they didn't get an african american on the jury.
 
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Any info on whether this interview with Victor Gutierrez happened?

It was mentioned in a comment I found posted on the lipstick alley forum.

oh and today i was watching a tribute some chilean channel did. It was going so well until they had an interview with Victor Gutierrez who said that he and Latoya are bff and the reason Latoya has been so quiet about wade's allegation is that she knows that AEG has some some sort of drive where mj kept all of his private photos and videos that would prove mj is a pedo and also said that AEG is behind wade's allegation as some sort of a warning that worst things are coming out next year
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http://www.lipstickalley.com/showpost.php?p=13509389&postcount=109
 
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MJLovesyoumore said:
Any info on whether this interview with Victor Gutierrez happened?

It was mentioned in a comment I found posted on the lipstick alley forum.



http://www.lipstickalley.com/showpost.php?p=13509389&postcount=109
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Bull****. I don't believe a single word of that nonsense. Unbelievable what some sick minds can come up with to write/say in a desperate attempt to brainwash gullible people. Don't know whether Victor Gutierrez really said that but even if he really did, I don't believe it to be true for a second. The FBI went after Michael for ten years and found nothing. Tom Sneddon was obsessed with trying to prove that Michael was a child molester for years and years. If he really had molested children the truth would've come out years ago. This is just a reply to the lipstickalley post so you know, not your post :)
 
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Also, how on earth would AEG get this drive? You think MJ just handed it to them? If not, how did they find all this information in such a short period of time when the FBI couldn't find anything in over a decade? And even if AEG had this drive, it makes no sense for them to introduce it in the trial. Why would they admit that they had all this evidence that MJ was a pedophile but instead of reporting it to the police, they hid the evidence and kept working with MJ? And how does Guitierrez of all people know about this drive?

Anyone with a full set of chromosomes can see this for what it is.
 
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Ashtanga said:
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All this mess made ??me think of Macaulay Culkin.... he was always respectful and a true friend.

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I partially disagree with this video. Some children indeed disappointed him, I bet Crookson only used him as a hook to enter to showbiz and never really loved Michael as a friend. He just took 20 years to show his true self!
 
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I'm pretty sure FBI would had been the first ones to arrest him if they had found evidence that could prove he was that kind of criminal to send a strong message to other molesters or rapists out there but they FOUND ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
 
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Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
I partially disagree with this video. Some children indeed disappointed him, I bet Crookson only used him as a hook to enter to showbiz and never really loved Michael as a friend. He just took 20 years to show his true self!
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In red > Well, many around Michael were that way. Unfortunately, throughout his life he was always surrounded by bad people who had bad intentions with him. Sad reality. :( I sometimes wonder why God allowed these people to cross the path of Michael and allowed them to make so many bad things to him and hurt him. I can never understand that. :cry: *big sigh*
 
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It was prophesied for centuries that Judas Iscariot would betray Jesus Christ.

After the first allegations, business for Michael Jackson wasn't the same. It was so damaging what had been done, that the crisis became bigger and bigger, hence the $300 million loan from Bank of America. I don't think Michael Jackson understood the impact, that and times had changed.

Which is why Tommy Mottola wasn't cooperating as well as Michael Jackson would have liked!
 
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MJLovesyoumore said:
Any info on whether this interview with Victor Gutierrez happened?

It was mentioned in a comment I found posted on the lipstick alley forum.



http://www.lipstickalley.com/showpost.php?p=13509389&postcount=109
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Victor Gutierrez is a pathological liar (and possibly more...). You can find more about him here: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...inst-Michael?p=3853432&viewfull=1#post3853432

And of course AEG does not have hard drives with proof that MJ was a pedo. Those are the kind of stories that Victor just likes to make up. It doesn't even make sense if you think it over logically. BTW, when Michael's home was raided in 2003 they also confiscated his 16 computers (4 in his bedroom) and sent them to the FBI to check them. Nothing illegal or incriminating was found (only legal, heterosexual material). It's in Michael's FBI files: http://vault.fbi.gov/Michael Jackson/Michael Jackson 62 File Part 3 of 3/view

I remember when Ricky Martin came out as gay, in Chile Gutierrez claimed that it was because Michael molested him as a child. He's that kind of totally shameless and pathological liar. He just makes up any story he wants.
 
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Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
I'm pretty sure FBI would had been the first ones to arrest him if they had found evidence that could prove he was that kind of criminal to send a strong message to other molesters or rapists out there but they FOUND ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
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I agree. With all the pressure from the media and most of the public who wanted to see Michael put away in jail for the rest of his life, if the FBI had found anything criminal on Michael's computers they would have wasted no time in arresting him. And I'm sure they would have called the authorities in California and told them to take him into police custody until the FBI could question him. So I don't believe this at all. I don't believe that AEG is behind Wade's claims either. He is responsible for this disgusting mess, in my opinion.
 
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Victor imo is a pedo considering his connection with nambla. hes desperate for a poster boy. hence him accusing others aswell as mj of being abusers
 
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It seems court files will be public, with some restrictions.

US judge to make Robson court files public
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June 26, 2013 - 5:24AM
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Some of Australian choreographer Wade Robson's secret court filings alleging he was abused by pop star Michael Jackson will be made public later this week.

However, it is likely "salacious" details and the names of two "celebrities" in the documents will remain sealed.

Lawyers for Robson and Jackson's estate had requested all of the filings be kept from the public eye, but Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff asked them to submit redacted versions.

"It is more than what I am comfortable with," Judge Beckloff, referring to the redacted submissions, told the lawyers representing both parties during a hearing on Tuesday.

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The judge said he needed more time to go through the redacted filings and a version he deemed suitable for public release would likely be available later in the week.

Robson, 30, originally from Brisbane, requested on May 1 that the judge allow him to file a late creditor's claim against the deceased pop star's estate.

Robson has accused Jackson of being a sexual predator who brainwashed, threatened and committed sex acts on him from the age of seven through to 14 years old.

Robson had been Jackson's staunchest supporter, testifying under oath at Jackson's 2005 child molestation trial that Jackson never molested him.

However, Robson says it wasn't until after Jackson's 2009 death and the birth of his son that he was psychologically and emotionally able and willing to understand he was sexually abused.

Tuesday's court matter coincided with the fourth anniversary of Jackson's death.
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Some related info in this article as well:

Beckloff’s announcement Monday came during a hearing related to the new molestation claim. Choreographer Wade Robson, 30, filed a legal notice in early May against Michael Jackson’s estate saying he was the victim of “childhood sexual assault.”

The bombshell filing came after Robson — a choreographer for Britney Spears, ’N Sync and Demi Lovato — denied during Michael’s 2005 molestation trial in Santa Barbara County that he was the victim of sexual abuse.

He later appeared on NBC’s “Today” show and said he’d been brainwashed by Michael to the point that he was “psychologically and emotionally completely unable and unwilling to understand that it was sexual abuse.”

Beckloff heard from lawyers representing both Robson and Michael’s estate Tuesday and is expected to rule soon on whether to the unseal some of Robson’s complaint.

“It’s a tragedy,” Robson's lawyer Henry Gradstein told The News outside court, referring to the alleged molestation and the reported breakdown that led his client to come forward. “He’s not working. I don't know that he'll ever be able to relate to his art again.”
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http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...tody-daughter-article-1.1382188#ixzz2XGNUmAYJ
 
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