[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

"I am a family member of Wade's, and have spoken to him personally about what he has gone through. Wade is a real person with a normal life, family and friends (someone I grew up with) - Not someone who only lives on the TV.
Wade is a real person who doesn't live on the tv?? Is this jonathan under the impression that the public is so overwhelmed by the iconic celebrity status achieved by wade that they can't quite grasp he's actually a real life human being? He's not mj - he just had some mtv dance show and was a judge on some talent prog. Is this jonathan really kosher, he sounds a bit odd. Wade left oz when he had just turned 10, so not sure how this cousin can claim he grew up with him.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Just like the other two accusers:
IN IT FOR THE $$$$$$$
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I feel all Wade's relatives who are pushing this advertisement know he is lying, since families of abusers do not go on campaigns. There has been no huge media coverage shouting that Wade is lying, so there would be no need for family members to try to convince people that Wade is telling the truth. If the main media is not saying Wade is a liar, the family, under normal circumstances would simple stay quiet and wait for the case. So why do these particular family members come out trying to convince people that Wade is telling the truth? Abused victims do not have to campaign for people to believe them if they know it is the truth. The mere fact they are doing a campaign means they know it is not true so they need to push the idea that it is true, so people will believe. Notice that Wade is quiet while they campaign, so the plan must be that Wade will keep quiet so it will seem that the victim is laying low, and the faithful family is doing this all on their own. I think Wade told them this is what he is going to do, and he told them what they are to do. He is doing this with the family members who are advocating for him. In the end, all are expecting they will benefit financially.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to defend them, because they sure do not deserve defending, but I don't feel Jonathan's comment as part of planned campaign. It looks more like he just saw a comment on Yahoo and he answered. If he was campaigning his FB would be full of this thing. If we are talking about Chantal that's different because she sure posted Wade and his lawyer's interviews on her FB, talked this crap about "knowledge" etc. And of course Wade himself was on a media blitz, so yeah that is a campaign. Jonathan's comment - not necessarily.

I just don't think it's very logical to tell a lot of people that you are lying because that only makes the risk bigger that you are gonna get busted. The more people know something the less it can be kept a secret. So if I was Wade I surely would not tell all of my cousins and friends that it's a plot to get money and I'm lying. I would tell them my sob story about how I was molested by this huge idol of mine and how it broke me and harmed me psychologically etc. Like I said with the closest family members it's different but I sure would not tell everyone around that it's a lie. Why would I compromise myself in front of so many people?
 
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Wade is a real person who doesn't live on the tv?? Is this jonathan under the impression that the public is so overwhelmed by the iconic celebrity status achieved by wade that they can't quite grasp he's actually a real life human being? He's not mj - he just had some mtv dance show and was a judge on some talent prog. Is this jonathan really kosher, he sounds a bit odd. Wade left oz when he had just turned 10, so not sure how this cousin can claim he grew up with him.

Maybe he grew up with him until the age of 10. And that's why he knows Wade is sooooo not lying. LOL.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Is it me or Chantal stopped using twitter in September and went back to twitter in May.
 
Ron Zonen is spreading his lies once again:



The prosecutor who grilled Wade Robson during Michael Jackson’s 2005 child molestation trial — and whom was met with Robson’s steadfast denials that he wasn’t sexually abused — has told RadarOnline.com that he’s not surprised the dancer-choreographer ultimately recanted his testimony.

Breaking his silence on Robson’s decision to file a claim against Jackson’s estate, claiming alleged child sex abuse by the late pop icon, Santa Barbara County prosecutor Ron Zonen said: “It did not come as a surprise that Wade eventually acknowledged being a victim of years of sexual abuse.”



Robson, now 30, notoriously denied under oath at Jackson’s trial that he had been molested by the singer.

“Try as we may to get victims to disclose what happened to them, they just don’t do it on our schedule, they do it when they are ready,” Zonen, who was the Santa Barbara senior assistant district attorney at the time, told Radar exclusively.

“That often happens well into adulthood and often after a baby arrives. I wish Wade well, his disclosure is the first step to a complete recovery.”



Interestingly, Zonen specifically prodded Robson in the trial eight years ago about the physical contact he had with Jackson, who befriended by the Thriller singer when he was age five.

Zonen: Mr. Jackson would periodically kiss you.
Robson: No

Zonen: Periodically hug you?
Robson: Yes

Zonen: Touch you?
Robson: Hug me.

Zonen: Did he ever kiss your lips
Robson: No

Zonen: On occasions you stayed in bed with Mr. Jackson would you ever cuddle in bed?
Robson: No

Zonen: Would you lie next to one another?
Robson: No

Zonen: Would you touch?
Robson: No

Robson admitted to Zonen that his mother had given permission for him to sleep in Jackson’s bedroom at Neverland Ranch, at his mother’s apartment in Hollywood, in a Las Vegas hotel and at the pop star’s condo in Century City, Calif., while his mother, Joy, stayed across the street at another hotel.


“Had you ever crawled into bed with a 30-year-old man prior to that?” Zonen probed.

“My father,” Robson said, defensively.

“Okay.”

“But other than that, no,” the witness said.

“Any person you had just met?”

“No.”

Jackson was ultimately cleared of conspiracy to commit extortion, false imprisonment and child abduction, child molestation and giving a child, Gavin Arvizo, then 13, an intoxicating drink. His acquittal was partly based on the testimony of Robson, his sister and his mother.


In an interview last month on TODAY, Robson said Jackson performed sexual acts on him — and forced him to reciprocate — from the ages of 7 to 14.

Robson told Matt Lauer that Jackson gained his silence by telling him they would both be imprisoned if he let out the secret, often calling him in discussions he called “complete manipulation and brainwashing.”


“I never forgot one moment of what Michael did to me,” Robson said, “but I was psychologically unable and unwilling to understand that it was sexual abuse.”

It was Zonen who told the court in 2005 that “something terribly illegal” happened at Neverland.

“They rode rides, went to the zoo, ate whatever they wanted – candy, ice cream, soda pop. There was only fun,” Zonen said, in a statement to the jury, according to court records.



“At night, they entered into the world of the forbidden. They learned about sexuality from someone only too willing to be their teacher.”

Jackson’s estate has called Robson’s new accusations “outrageous and pathetic.”


http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...eful the comments contain a lot of MJ haters.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

why do you post the links only ? just post the complete article so we wont have to go to their trashy site
 
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Grrr! Crawl back into your hole Ron and move on with your life. Michael was found innocent. What type of prosecutors are sore losers? Zonen, Sneddon and Auchincloss; That's who.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Glad to see fans pointing out facts and showing Wade's praise videos. Like someone said Wade has left a 20 year paper trail of him praising MJ and voluntarily defending MJ before, during and after his death.
 
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Zonen even believes Gavin and thinks he's a good, wholesome, Christian boy. Enough said.
 
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I guess that the media are paying attention to this trash after all. Disgusting.
NO the media is not. Sorry but I do not think overall media is buying this mess. ANd this story is ONLY on radaronline. Mr. Zonen is also a District Attorney, they ALWAYS think the person they prosecute is gulty even if evidence show the people are innocent and they are let go from prison. And for the people Zonen is talking about who keep it to themselves, HOW MANY OF THOSE ADULTS who talk about abuse on THEIR TIME CELEBRATE and PRAISE the person who they think abuse them? I willing to bet there are NONE who behave like Wade.
 
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^Careful the comments contain a lot of MJ haters.---------------- I went over there and it seem like Michael has alot of supports with the excepts of three who seem to do the same posting. And if you read those haters post, they do not know what they are talking about. We have to remember, there are people who get online who just like to talk trash about everyone. One reporter was hated on so bad that her network allowed her to get posters addresses from their email and POP UP to see them in person. Guess what, all those haters were shocked and talked about just getting online to talk negative about current topic. And if you read those people comments, talking negative is all they want to do. They will talk negative about God.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Call me cynical guys, but there is a depth and range to human behavior that many of you don't understand and reading about crimes in the paper is not the same as seeing certain actions take place. I work in homes and the people appear wonderful, sweet, love their children and moms, etc. However, some have killed for monetary gain and the people in the house know it and went to court to lie to help the members, which is why some only spend 5-8 years in prison. Some bring family members together to do bad things, like plan stick ups; go and beat someone up to near death; rob places; send grandma to visit son in prison and place drugs in her hair for her to give son; have illegal guns in their homes and use it for robbery & to defend themselves; have gone out to commit a crime and run back home to give the mom the gun to hide, because the cops were called and the mom knows and knows where the money comes from; sell crack, cocaine right by the houses; some of the females would get arrested and the judge will let them go, because the judge pays them for sex, so they don't care if they are arrested; etc. These family members will go to court for each other or friends and lie for the person. I hear them planning their lies. Sometimes I see when certain people get a call and run out of the house to do something. If I did not see, they will sit and tell me what they did. Even those who told me they killed people say it in a natural way. Being a friend has nothing to do with it, since some have laughed with me & I have helped them in personal matters, but they have still tried to scam me even though they have said they like me. Sometimes on Monday when I go back to work a person would say "girl I have been waiting for you to come today; if you know the shit that went down this weekend." Then, I would hear about who was beating up who, and called for their "shit" (a gun). I am telling you guys that sometimes I can't enter a building due to the blood at the front and the police tape around it. Now I am in these people's homes for reasons that has nothing to do with their actions in society, so I listen and marvel about how people have different sides. How they look so normal and like the guy next door, but are engaged in behaviors that people will not believe. Every year I look into the eyes of people who are abusers, murderers, have raped their women, etc. In fact, I would go in one day and the woman would tell me how the man raped her last night. He told her you either do it willingly or I am going to get it anyway. The women always claim they just lie and let the men do it until it is over. Sometimes they show me their torn clothes. Then, the same men talk to me so nicely, you will never know. It is because of these experiences, that I am not going to take everything at face value.

I feel all Wade's relatives who are pushing this advertisement know he is lying, since families of abusers do not go on campaigns. There has been no huge media coverage shouting that Wade is lying, so there would be no need for family members to try to convince people that Wade is telling the truth. If the main media is not saying Wade is a liar, the family, under normal circumstances would simple stay quiet and wait for the case. So why do these particular family members come out trying to convince people that Wade is telling the truth? Abused victims do not have to campaign for people to believe them if they know it is the truth. The mere fact they are doing a campaign means they know it is not true so they need to push the idea that it is true, so people will believe. Notice that Wade is quiet while they campaign, so the plan must be that Wade will keep quiet so it will seem that the victim is laying low, and the faithful family is doing this all on their own. I think Wade told them this is what he is going to do, and he told them what they are to do. He is doing this with the family members who are advocating for him. In the end, all are expecting they will benefit financially.

Perfect comment of the day. Look at people who pretend to get hurt on jobs.
 
“I never forgot one moment of what Michael did to me,” Robson said, “but I was psychologically unable and unwilling to understand that it was sexual abuse.”


It's the terrible guilt that a person feels that messes them up, you understand perfectly well that the act happened.

Wade Robson was able to keep his career going. If he had the aspiration to believe he was good enough to advance his career, he would have had the ability to stand up to Michael Jackson and blast him off the planet for what he did, without going to the Court of Public Opinion and to STOP talking to Michael Jackson and acting like nothing happened that made Wade feel guilty, like it was Wade's fault about the action of allowing someone to inappropriately touch you.

You even see Gavin Arvizo standing next to Michael Jackson, before Gavin decided to say Michael inappropriately violated him. Gavin was big enough to physically defend himself against Michael. If you are an unwilling participant and you can defend yourself physically, you will do so. Being violated is being violated.

Violate---fail to respect.

Michael Jackson didn't do this to Wade Robson, the Tabloid Press did this to Michael Jackson. Why would he do it to another?
 
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I have that entire seminar but I don't know if I'm allowed to upload it to YT again because of copyright issues. I might be able to open a new YT channel and upload the vids there though. It's very interesting but when Ron praises Gavin it makes you feel ill.

Edit: I'm uploading the video of part two now of Ron & Tom at the seminar. Will post it here once it's processed. :)
 
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HAHAHAHAHA I was waiting for either Sneedon or Zonen to comment on Wade B.S! They like Dimond think this somehow gives them credibility! :rollin:

When in fact all it does is show how every time MJ is accuse of this crap, there's money being ask of him and many holes from the acuuser(s) story....EACH AND EVERY DAMN TIME!!!!!!!!! SUP WITH THAT, RONNY BOY?!
 
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“I never forgot one moment of what Michael did to me,” Robson said, “but I was psychologically unable and unwilling to understand that it was sexual abuse.”

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So after all these years ... he found that it was sexual abuse. :doh: How can someone be able to take this guy seriously? :wtf: He is crazy! :crazy:
 
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So after all these years ... he found that it was sexual abuse. :doh: How can someone be able to take this guy seriously? :wtf: He is crazy! :crazy:

I guess he was also unable and unwilling to understand psychologically that there was an Estate until the March of this year.

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

why do you post the links only ? just post the complete article so we wont have to go to their trashy site

We have said this so many times already!!!^^

Guys we knew Zonen would show up. In fact, someone asked weeks ago if he showed up yet. He will have more to say as this goes on. If the Neverland ex-employees slithered out of their holes to give interviews, you would expect the ex-prosecutor would come out of retirement too.

Zonen and company should be careful because people have been trying to bring charges against them for other actions.
 
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I remember that interview that Zonen gave to a local Santa Barbara TV about 2-3 years ago. It was an old lady who interviewed him and of course the MJ trial came up and the lady told it to his face that she thought MJ was innocent. LOL. And all Zonen could come up with is an appeal to the (presumably) conservative Santa Barbara audience's emotions by talking about what a wholesome, good, Christian boy Gavin was. How religious he was. It was pathetic to see that he was trying to operate with that kind of thing. Especially because anyone who knows this case in-depth and the trial testimonies, will know what a bunch of crap that is. Good, wholesome kid may a**. I didn't know lying, stealing and cheating were Christian virtues.

Zonen and his wife, Louise Palanker (who was a prosecution witness at the trial - then she got together with Zonen...) still befriend Gavin and Star. Apparently they are not aware of some of these wholesome, good Christian boys' online activities.

It's odd that they are still so close to the Arvizos and I always wonder if it's a way to keep an eye on them and have them under control. I mean I'm sure they have a lot on this prosecution and they could harm them a lot if they decided to turn on them. I just hope they leech Zonen off the way they leeched off other people in the past.
 
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No wonder Michael was taking Propofol, what with all this tomfoolery always lying in wait to ambush Michael Jackson's reputation once again. Exoneration is only for those fools that look at Michael Jackson like a cash cow.

Evan's brother practices law in Santa Barbara County, it's just one big happy family!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

LOL it makes me laugh how wade "didnt know it was abuse" how the heck could u not "KNOW " it was abuse i mean come on giving alll the gory testmony that was in the 2005 trial he would realised it then .
 
WR didn´t understand it was abuse but a the same time Michael told him not to tell anyone or WR s career would be over-would never begin.
WR didn´t understand it was wrong to do that.

I don´t understand WR
 
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LOL it makes me laugh how wade "didnt know it was abuse" how the heck could u not "KNOW " it was abuse i mean come on giving alll the gory testmony that was in the 2005 trial he would realised it then .


Exactly! There is no way he didn't know.. For 20 years he's been asked about his friendship with MJ and testified twice under oath, been stalked by the tabloids and reporters and been harassed by police and prosecutors and I am sure read up on the allegations from Chandler and hell even been around MJ for those years while MJ was being investigated for abuse so why didn't he know??? Why is trying to play dumb?
 
MIST;3847618 said:
WR didn´t understand it was abuse but a the same time Michael told him not to tell anyone or WR s career would be over-would never begin.
WR didn´t understand it was wrong to do that.

I don´t understand WR


Right... and if he didn't know it was wrong then why would he say MJ threatened him with jail and no career. If someone threatens you not to say anything, then you know it's wrong.. Wade is a horrible liar and his story makes no sense.
 
MIST;3847618 said:
WR didn´t understand it was abuse but a the same time Michael told him not to tell anyone or WR s career would be over-would never begin.
WR didn´t understand it was wrong to do that.

I don´t understand WR

ok , let's try tro sort this out :

- Wade remembers everything but couldn't understand at the time that was wrong
- Michael kept telling him not to tell anyone, but Wade couldn't understand what Michael was telling him since he cou'dn't understand that anything was wrong. (Did he ask Michael why he should not tell anyone if what they did was not wrong ? )

-When asked by the police or prosecutors, Wade remembered that Michael didn't want him to tell anyone what he remembered but didn't think was wrong at the time (Or was he unable and unwilling to understand the words "yes" and "no" ? ).
- That was so much info to process that his brains was overwhelmed and it took time to catch up with a 25 years backlog. That's why that inspite of knowing Michael died in 2009, he just understood there was an estate.

See ? Simple !
 
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