[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^Yeah I would love to be there when the estate cross-examine Wade. Can you imagine the questions: Wade when you applied for the Cirque job which listed both Cirque & Michael Jackson Estate names on the announcements, you did not know there was a Michael Jackson Estate? Wade when you were crying at Michael's funeral, did you know that Michael died?

Hopefully, Weitzman had his people gather all Wade's statements, videos, interviews including the Today one, & those at the airport and that program in LA.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ In order to believe him you have to believe he is absolutely stupid, there's no other way to explain this. He didn't understand that what Michael did to him was wrong when he defended Michael against these same allegations in a criminal trial as an adult? He didn't understand there was an MJ Estate when he applied for jobs with that Estate? Come on! :doh:
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

what does PRAYER mean at the end ?

"Grant such other relief" ?? what's that?

Prayer is what the Estate is asking , it's their request

to simplify it say

we as the executors ask the court to deny this petition (wade's creditor claim) entirely (all of it)

grant such other relief means

even if the court does not deny the petition in full (entirely) , estate is asking the court to deny parts of it

in other words they are saying if you don't grant our first request (which was deny the petition entirely) still do something to our benefit which you think is appropriate
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

With this Wade situation?

My experience is that so far it's not really big news outside of the fan community. Maybe it will change but so far it's just very low key. I think that's good, no need to beat the drums about it and bring attention to it. Also some of the media actually seem sceptical about it.

We will have to be patient and see how it unfolds before the Judge, whether he will allow the creditor's claim and/or the civil lawsuit to go ahead or not. Also we will have to wait and see how he behaves in the media. So far I don't think his media appearances gained him much sympathy - even TMZ said he didn't do himself a favor with those. I hope he keeps it up. LOL.

Excellent point, only one thing I would change about your comment is that about 99% of the media seem sceptical about it.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ In order to believe him you have to believe he is absolutely stupid, there's no other way to explain this. He didn't understand that what Michael did to him was wrong when he defended Michael against these same allegations in a criminal trial as an adult? He didn't understand there was an MJ Estate when he applied for jobs with that Estate? Come on! :doh:

Wade is first place on the Stupid People List SPL

Hello?
-Have you been to a funeral of a dead man & didn't know he was dead?
-Have you asked people for a job & didn't know the people existed?
-Have you been unable to understand basic actions until you were 29 years old?
-Have you had a girlfriend & still do not understand that when a man caressed your private parts, he is actually caressing your private parts?

If you answered yes to any of these, you belong on the Stupid People List. Hurry and contact Wade who is chairman of the board and get your cap with the SPL acronym. You will also get a pair of sweatsuits, which Wade likes to wear.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sorry to be a little off topic here but Wade, your actions, in my opinion, have contributed to the recent actions of Paris.

You should be ashamed of yourself
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade is first place on the Stupid People List SPL

Hello?
-Have you been to a funeral of a dead man & didn't know he was dead?
-Have you asked people for a job & didn't know the people existed?
-Have you been unable to understand basic actions until you were 29 years old?
-Have you had a girlfriend & still do not understand that when a man caressed your private parts, he is actually caressing your private parts?

If you answered yes to any of these, you belong on the Stupid People List. Hurry and contact Wade who is chairman of the board and get your cap with the SPL acronym. You will also get a pair of sweatsuits, which Wade likes to wear.


HA! good one
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sorry to be a little off topic here but Wade, your actions, in my opinion, have contributed to the recent actions of Paris.

You should be ashamed of yourself

I'd say it probably was one of the reasons, still grieving her dad (pain, deep depression,) family dynamics and who knows what else... :(

I highly doubt he's ashamed, he knew he was gonna hurt Paris, Prince & Blanket by calling their dad on national tv a p... and child abuser and he didn't show a flicker of emotion at all! Petra, I needed a laugh, thanks a lot! :lol:
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Oh wade is gloating that an article included his name with Paris' incident. Isn't it good that the same judge who is investigating Paris' issue is the SAME judge who is looking into Wade's claim. Now I know the judge has to go by law, but it is good that he knows that Wade's nonsense is impacting a child. He is going to look more closely at the fine points & make sure this nut really has a case.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Another question is what consequences there will be as for the investigation of the suicide attepmt, if Paris admits it was because of WRS claims/accusations.

Can it affect the judge? Or the family? or the claims?

Can Paris or prince give a testimony for the case? Or would they be good/relevant witnesses if they were subpoenaed...? or how relevant Paris would be after the suicide attepmt?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Oh... is MJJcommunity able to provide all the info and facts from this thread about Wade and HIStory to MJ estate and the lawyers for defence?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Oh... is MJJcommunity able to provide all the info and facts from this thread about Wade and HIStory to MJ estate and the lawyers for defence?
I think they know
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Another question is what consequences there will be as for the investigation of the suicide attepmt, if Paris admits it was because of WRS claims/accusations.

Can it affect the judge? Or the family? or the claims?

Can Paris or prince give a testimony for the case? Or would they be good/relevant witnesses if they were subpoenaed...? or how relevant Paris would be after the suicide attepmt?

IF it ever goes to trial (and that's a big IF) I guess she could testify about how supportive Wade's family was during the trial or how Wade and his family visited them in Vegas in 2008. If Michael's lawyers feel it could add to their case by showing how WR never claimed this before, in fact his behavior was consistent with the total opposite.

As for this suicide attempt, in case there is a connection, then I think, theoretically, she could sue Wade for causing emotional distress.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Hi

Here is a well explained and understood explanation of the false allegations against MJ by Robson.

The person's thoughts in this video are well thought out and it is obvious he has done his homework


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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Hi

Here is a well explained and understood explanation of the false allegations against MJ by Robson.

The person's thoughts in this video are well thought out and it is obvious he has done his homework


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Absolutely fantastic video. Short but very powerful and true. It's shocking if you really think about it. The guy was 22-24 when he was defending MJ during the trial and now he's claiming he didn't know those things were wrong? That's just too ridiculous for words. First he claims it's repressed memories and then totally twists his story on tv shows? Seriously...if this judge doesn't throw this claim right out the window ASAP...i just don't know anymore what to say, just....wow. This guy explains everything there is to know about Wade. That he's no better than Gavin Arvizo and his family. I sure hope the judge sees that too, it's his goddamn job. This thing shouldnl't become a thing at all.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

About that video: I see he has the AEG conspiracy connection in it. He also has some mistakes in his facts, but the argument about the Wade/05 trial/tributes is good.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

About that video: I see he has the AEG conspiracy connection in it. He also has some mistakes in his facts, but the argument about the Wade/05 trial/tributes is good.

No offence intended but I personally do feel there may possibly be an AEG conspiracy, let me know your feeling on this issue.

With regards to the video let me know your concern's on incorrect facts and I can pass them on to him and perhaps he could correct them through annotations on the video,

I do not know this person personally but have had messages with him through youtube, after I saw his video and asked him if he would mind if I embedded it here.

I believe that what he is saying is from the heart and that he knows, like everyone else here, that Robsons allegations are false.

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You guys do know that thats me in the video right? lol what mistakes are in the video?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You guys do know that thats me in the video right? lol what mistakes are in the video?


OK.

Repressed memory: The shake downer Wade never said it was repressed. TMZ claimed that a family source told them. Then Wade's attorney said in a career trajectory last year he had a collapse under the weight of the molestation and other nonsense. Wade states in the video that it was never repressed, because he no doubt heard about the repressed debate. So right now we have no evidence that it was repressed. Wade never said so, and his scumbag attorney did not say so either. The only how we will know what the original thing is, is if we look at the filing but the key parts are sealed.

What you can do is say something like Wade's attorney said this and then Wade comes on tv and said something else. Then you state what Wade said and what his attorney said. The key is that the attorney should know when and why, but if both are saying something different then we have a big alert for liar, liar pants on fire.

He knew all the time: You mention Wade said this but the rest of what you say is not what Wade said. Wade used the word "understand" and you have to use that to show your viewers that a 22 year old is saying he did not understand the actions. You explained about the 22 year old part correctly, but add "understand," because it really shows how unbelievable he is. Also, these reporters are rephrasing Wade's words and meaning already, like the woman who said Wade said "he did not come to terms with it yet." Now that is completely different from using the word understand as Wade used it. The way she is using it, she is giving the impression that "Wade was weighing this thing in his mind and he is debating with himself saying I was abused. I can't believe it. Did Michael really do this thing to me." The way she is phrasing it, makes it more reasonable for people to believe Wade, because many people have not come to terms with their abuse. However, when you say you did not understand, that makes people stand up and say are you for real.

AEG & child abuse. You said that AEG brings in the child abuse etc. and the judge threw it out. If you go to the case thread with the motions you will get some information about that part. AEG said Michael was proven innocent so they were not going to bring up the child abuse case. The judge ruled that the allegations can be used to show that especially during the allegations the drug use may increase. [I think what may have caused confusion was that Panish was asking that AEG not bring up certain things. Then AEG would say we are not opposing because we had no intention of bringing that up in court. Off my head 1 of the issues Panish asked that should not be brought up was the paternity of children and AEG said they are not opposing because they had no intention of bringing that up.]

I am assuming you are trying to link AEG & the child abuse issue in the court to Wade & his allegations?

I would like to give you a critique if you are not offended. You are on a video where you are explaining a very important issue. Many people will see it, since fans are posting it around. Therefore, keep the facts together and then put in the parts where you are using your own thoughts and feelings together. If you mix both up as facts, then a nonbeliever can say look this guy writes about an AEG conspiracy without facts, so how can we believe him. So when you come to where you talk about AEG, you can say something like you find the timing odd that there is a current case between AEG & Katherine where drugs and the allegations comes up, and then Wade files his case on 5/1. In this way the viewer knows you are making your own connections. You don't want to mislead & you keep your video factual and scholarly.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You guys do know that thats me in the video right? lol what mistakes are in the video?

:clapping::clap::bow: You did a WONDERFUL job in this video. You were restrained, articulate and you presented your facts in a straight forward manner that anyone could understand. Thank You for making this video.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He didn't know there was an estate? Am I understanding this right? I mean he did the Opus and was considered for Cirque de Soleil job.
Probably his feelings about the estate were 'numb and unexplored' as well.

AEG & child abuse. You said that AEG brings in the child abuse etc. and the judge threw it out. If you go to the case thread with the motions you will get some information about that part. AEG said Michael was proven innocent so they were not going to bring up the child abuse case. The judge ruled that the allegations can be used to show that especially during the allegations the drug use may increase. [I think what may have caused confusion was that Panish was asking that AEG not bring up certain things. Then AEG would say we are not opposing because we had no intention of bringing that up in court. Off my head 1 of the issues Panish asked that should not be brought up was the paternity of children and AEG said they are not opposing because they had no intention of bringing that up.]
Aeg never claimed that they were not going to bring up the child abuse case, otherwise why wd the judge agree to it's inclusion? It was only in respect to paternity they claimed that they had no intention of including it. Aeg claimed they needed to introduce the child molestation trial etc in relation to increased drug use by mj and to show reduced earning power of mj due to the allegations and @michaelsson in actual fact the judge has allowed it. Although aeg in their opening statement said that mj was acquitted at the 05 trial, just the perjorative nature of introducing the child molestation issue is enough for some people to sideeye aeg's intentions, especially in relation to the unpleasant innuendo laden nature of the rest of their opening statement.

@michaelsson, really nice video. Like the ref to britney.
 
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From the trial thread

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...n-vs-AEG-Live-Full-Case-History-Summary/page2
AEG also mentions that these numbers aren’t realistically possible as Michael’s popularity was down due to child molestation allegations and he hasn’t performed

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Katherine Jackson wants to exclude the following

exclude molestation charges

Katherine’s lawyers state that AEG lawyers have asked during depositions to multiple people about the molestation charges and they expect AEG to mention those to make Michael bad and they want the judge to exclude those.

(Ivy’s note: Molestation charges is mentioned in AEG documents as a reason for lower income level expectations).

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Judges's decision :


allowed (motion denied) - Motion 1 - Molestation charges

- Molestation charges are admissible as to the damages calculation and (secondarily) as to the issues of Michael Jackson's despondency and drug abuse.

So AEG were the ones who brought up molestation charges first, katherine tried to stop that, the judge allowed it.

Putnam (AEG) mentionned them in his opening statement, they were briefly mentionned in Karen's testimony.
 
People I have spoken too who were around Wade a lot and Michael in the late years says he perfectly well know what is wrong when it comes to molestation. They don´t get how he now he can claim he didn´t understand it was wrong. IQ as a plankton.. *pfft*
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

re AEG & Wade's claims :

Wade made these claims after the trial started. So technically the jury can not use them (IF they heard about them), and I don't think AEG can use them.

Tmez said (in an interview posed earlier in this thread) that, in his opinion, the only way AEG could use them is through an expert, when they come to "evaluate" the dollar value of Michael's reputation. According to Tmez, the expert could say his opinion his based on several things, including Wades's allegations. (Tmez is not a civil lawyer, he is a criminal defense lawyer).

My personal opinion is that Wade's recent impressive IQ improvement is not linked to AEG. If it was, it would have come out before the trial, IMO.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Probably his feelings about the estate were 'numb and unexplored' as well.


Aeg never claimed that they were not going to bring up the child abuse case, otherwise why wd the judge agree to it's inclusion? It was only in respect to paternity they claimed that they had no intention of including it. Aeg claimed they needed to introduce the child molestation trial etc in relation to increased drug use by mj and to show reduced earning power of mj due to the allegations and @michaelsson in actual fact the judge has allowed it. Although aeg in their opening statement said that mj was acquitted at the 05 trial, just the perjorative nature of introducing the child molestation issue is enough for some people to sideeye aeg's intentions, especially in relation to the unpleasant innuendo laden nature of the rest of their opening statement.

@michaelsson, really nice video. Like the ref to britney.

I am referring to before the opening statement, when at one point, AEG did say that there were not going to bring up the case because Michael was found not guilty. I did read this in the case section. Maybe they meant they are not going to go into depth about the case. I can't remember who said what first, but I see Bouee has found it.

In an opening statement you say a lot of things that you do not have to prove. The same thing was done in the muarry trial where his team made a whole bunch of claims which they did not prove.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Just a little something I've noticed through the thread. The word "trajectory" alone simply means the direction/path in which something is traveling, not that his career was heading downwards. "Last year, on a career trajectory that was off the charts... " ... The attorney was saying that Wade's career was heading upwards, going GREAT, "off the charts". Then, in the midst of his stunning off-the-charts success (you know, like when he was prematurely bragging to everyone about having the Cirque job?), he had a big breakdown (like when he discovered he wasn't getting the job?) and suddenly he understood that he was "molested" by the guy whose tribute show he wanted so desperately to work on (i.e. he suddenly understood he could use false molestation claims to explain away his breakdown and get the money he felt entitled to). Anyway, the point is, the definition of trajectory is simply "the path or direction in which an object is moving". It doesn't specify which direction. A career trajectory "off the charts" means he was supposedly headed for success, doesn't it? That's how that phrase is usually used.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Ohmygod Michaelsson I KNEW it was you. Reminded me of ur avatars lol
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Just a little something I've noticed through the thread. The word "trajectory" alone simply means the direction/path in which something is traveling, not that his career was heading downwards. "Last year, on a career trajectory that was off the charts... " ... The attorney was saying that Wade's career was heading upwards, going GREAT. Then, in the midst of his stunning off-the-charts success (you know, like when he was prematurely bragging to everyone about having the Cirque job?), he had a big breakdown (like when he discovered he wasn't getting the job?) and suddenly he understood that he was "molested" by the guy whose tribute show he wanted so desperately to work on (i.e. he suddenly understood he could use false molestation claims to explain away his breakdown and get the money he felt entitled to). Anyway, the point is, the definition of trajectory is simply "the path or direction in which an object is moving". It doesn't specify which direction. A career trajectory "off the charts" means he was supposedly headed for success.

You know I thought A career trajectory off the charts meant that he was having a change in his career and it went off, that is, down. I really never thought he meant headed for success. ummm--now you make me think a little more.
 
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