[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Everyone

I said this before and I'll say it again. This is going to take some time. It would require several motions, multiple hearings , judge taking stuff into consideration, making a decision and even entertaining oppositions / appeals to his decisions. That's the process, it takes time. a judge cannot just throw a lawsuit away even though it might seem frivolous. Even the crazy Billie Jean who claims to be the kids mother gets her day in the court.

So just simply prepare yourself for this to take time.

So that was it for today?

^guess so.

I don't understand why he wants to unseal them before he makes a decision on whether it will go on or not?
The judge is the only one who decides if this case were to go on, no jury or anything, so why does it matter whether or not the documents are unsealed. He got to read them. Isn't that the only thing that matters.
I just want there to be a decision one way or another. This waiting is miserable.

I guess it's because of the public's right to information.

yes it's public's right to information. In USA the system is called "Public Access to Court Electronic Records" , there's freedom of information act. Majority of the stuff is public record and available to everyone for a fee. That's how I get all the documents and report about.

Wade filed the documents temporarily sealed and the judge is denying that and saying he will redact them. Still the allegations will remain redacted and private while the other stuff in the motions - such as reference to previous court cases and so on - will be public. So it's still good. It's good as long as this doesn't go to trial.

What is the difference between a creditor's claim and a civil lawsuit btw? Aren't they both about financial compensation? If I understand correctly, the cc is Wade sueing the Estate in Michael's place for the "abuse" and the civil lawsuit is Wade sueing some of Michael's companies because they failed to protect him from the "abuse" or something. If Wade loses the cc can he still win the civil lawsuit? I mean, can Wade receive compensation from MJ's companies for failing to protect him from "abuse" that the court is not convinced ever happened?

In this instance I believe the biggest difference will the statue of limitations. Creditor claims has to be filed within 1 year of the death unless there's an exception. So most probably Wade's lawyer is expecting creditor claim to be thrown out so they also filed a civil lawsuit.

Other than that how they are handled also different. for example if you submit a creditor claim and estate thinks it's a valid claim they can simply pay it and ask the judge approve it. A case however - unless settled - will go through several stages including discovery and actual trial.

It's also common practice to file a lawsuit when Estate refuses a creditors claim to force them go through the legal phase. For example both Tohme and Demann filed lawsuits against Estate after Estate refused to pay their creditor claims.

I am beyond sickened at these dates - June 13 and June 25. It's like they chose these dates on purpose.

About those dates, usually the parties get their calender and the judge says how about June 25th. Now the estate lawyers could say the 25th is Michael's death anniversary and they have some activities to conduct, or something similar, and a new date can be chosen. I was not there so I don't know if the lawyers asked for another date. Maybe they wanted to get the thing out of the way as soon as possible.

I don't understand why this is happening and now those dates? Everything is too much right now.

The dates are determined by the openings in the judge's calendar. For example a judge will say "I have an opening at June 16th 9:00AM", unless the lawyers have a previous obligation - such as another trial / court hearing they need to be - they'll accept the date.

This is a court, this is a judge and these are lawyers, they don't think like "this is Michael's vindication day or his death anniversary", it's a business day for them.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Cant belive it of all days it had to be june 13 & june 25 :angry: GRRRR
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So Wade won today. He wanted it sealed and the parts that detail the abuse and the part that shows his mental health issues will be sealed, to protect Wade. Right now Michael is not protected because all know he has another allegation.

Who wants to bet that Wade has a bunch of mental issues that he now claims are due to what Michael did to him, and his psychiatrist signed off on it. Anyway I am not giving up yet, there is more to be done with Wade, and the estate lawyers are equipped.

As far as I know both parties wanted it to be sealed, so I wouldn't declare it a win or loss for any of the parties.
 
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Thanks, Ivy. Even though most of us don't like it, unfortunately this is common. We'll get through this.
 
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^As far as i understand it's one of wade lawyer's defences to the 1 yr limitation on claims on a deceased person's estate. The public interest principle behind the limitation is that it provides protection for heirs to an estate to prevent claims stretching far into the future, but wade's lawyer is pointing out mj's estate is still in probate and the family trust which the heirs get their inheritance from hasn't yet been funded. Desperate stuff really.

It's clear the estate hasn't any idea what's in the allegation document so i guess that's why it's been difficult for them to counter. If it's only one paragraph in the sealed document that's outlining the 7yrs of abuse then it can't be particularly detailed. Are there specific incidents, dates, locations, other witnesses, things mj said etc etc? - it sounds like there's only the bare outline.
 
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It's clear the estate hasn't any idea what's in the allegation document so i guess that's why it's been difficult for them to counter. If it's only one paragraph in the sealed document that's outlining the 7yrs of abuse then it can't be particularly detailed. Are there specific incidents, dates, locations, other witnesses, things mj said etc etc? - it sounds like there's only the bare outline.

Yes, I realized too that the Judge said he would seal the paragraph about the alleged abuse. So it's one paragraph? I'd guess just in general terms then, without details, dates etc. I wonder if they are still working on the details. LOL.

I just read the document in full. Wade's lawyer has the nerve to give a link to Wade's Today's Show interview. I really hope the Judge will watch it and take note of the fact how Wade says there it's not about the money and how the MJ "money machine" won't stop the truth (well, "his truth" (TM)) from coming out "this time". And then he will take a look at this very motion that details how Wade filed it under seal and how hard they tried to keep it under the radar initially. How they would have been pretty fine with the "money machine" stopping "his truth" from coming out by quietly paying him off. That's just what they seeked after all!

It's a pity they didn't also give the Judge a link to Wade's airport interview after the Today's Show interview. The one on TMZ where he says he gave the Today's Show interview because he learnt he needed to say it as loud as he could in order to heal. How come saying it loud wasn't a part of his therapy when they filed the creditor's claim and tried to get money quietly? It seems like initially money alone would have been sufficient enough for him to heal, without the need to say it loud and publicly.

And how would he have championed all abuse victims if it had remained under radar, like they initially planned? Because that's another claim of his now, that he's doing it for other victims.

And I still can't get my head around the fact they have the nerve to say he didn't know about the administration of the Estate before March 2, 2013.

The parts about the precedent cases is a bit complicated to me. Who is answering to who about those? Was the Estate's motion in answer to Wade's or vica versa? In other words, out of these two documents those are put in the same PDF which precedes the other?
 
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The champion of abused victims, what kind of f*ckery is that!?

I wonder wonder if people who really went through that shit, non MJ fans specially, not necessarily haters are buying his story.
 
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The champion of abused victims, what kind of f*ckery is that!?

I wonder wonder if people who really went through that shit, non MJ fans specially, not necessarily haters are buying his story.

The majority of them knows nothing of it because it's not really reported.
 
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The champion of abused victims, what kind of f*ckery is that!?

I wonder wonder if people who really went through that shit, non MJ fans specially, not necessarily haters are buying his story.
That is a joke in itself. he is playing on words. Anyone with a brain who hears Wade say that phrase will know he is full of it. When a person want to con people, he/she use key words/phrases.
 
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The majority of them knows nothing of it because it's not really reported.
And many people MJ is dead and anything can be said. MJ is not here to defend himself. Wade defend MJ in 2005 and even AFTER death, now, 4 years later AFTER a so called repressed memory from stress, Wade claim he was abuse. It is so clear this guy is full of it. So Wade was never STRESSED in past when MJ was alive and since working in show biz which is a stressful field; but this "stress" just happen to make him think he was abuse? Oh wait, on the Today show-which is now FAILING in ratings as reported today, Wade said he always knew he was abused. See how stupid this mess sound. If I can pick up on it, I know the courts and hope the courts will.
 
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Wade is full of crap.. Hopefully the judge will read his 2005 under oath testimony and see his videos and Opus blogs of praising MJ for the last 20 years to see this dude is full of it
 
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I'd understand from Professor Richard Dawkins considering himself the champion of atheism, he's many things to put that conviction and atheist people in a good, possitive light but Wade Crookson is taking advantage of the pain and vulnerability of those people with a crime he was never victim of it. It's disgusting and despicable!
 
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I wonder what this scumbag is feeling right now after hearing the news about Paris. Probably nothing.
 
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I wonder what this scumbag is feeling right now after hearing the news about Paris. Probably nothing.

Well, someone who's capable of doing this to a life long "friend" probably doesn't have any qualms about the "friend's" daughter either. I suspect he's a sociopath.
 
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I wonder what this scumbag is feeling right now after hearing the news about Paris. Probably nothing.

And/or feeling pissed that horrible incident is receiving more coverage than his ridiculously idiotic allegation.
 
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Five years from now, WR will probably claim that he just then, for the first time, became aware of what happened to Paris. But only after he releases a few public statements acknowledging it and doing a few public dance routines in support.
 
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I'd understand from Professor Richard Dawkins considering himself the champion of atheism, he's many things to put that conviction and atheist people in a good, possitive light but Wade Crookson is taking advantage of the pain and vulnerability of those people with a crime he was never victim of it. It's disgusting and despicable!
Crooks and conartists do not care about the pain they put on others. Look at thieves, many people are struggling with money but a thief will come in your home and take your christmas presents and eveything else no matter if you are strugglign to pay your bills or how hard you work for what you have.
 
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I wonder what this scumbag is feeling right now after hearing the news about Paris. Probably nothing.

A radio DJ host name Kelly Rashberry said the same thing you said about wade. This also shows even more how many people do not believe Wade. They are bashing Wade and feel what he did is what led to Paris doing this to the degree in which she did. She is still grieving over Michael (heck, I am still grieving so I can image her) and here it is Wade who want to lie and take advantage of a situation. Like I said, Wade's thinking is "MJ is dead so I can try an make money off this. MJ is not hear so I am not hurting him". It is almost like when a family memeber dies and a WILL or they think money is around to get, you will see the worst side of the family memembers you never thought would give you trouble. WHen my father passed (and this is on a non famous scale), my stepmother changed the WILL and had her stupid @$$ lawyer tell the courts that I and three other siblings just came of wood work to get my father's estate. I was 18 years old when he married that women and YEs, I had to get a DNA test to PROVE my father was my dad something my OWN father never did. He knew we were his kids. So see, people can get dirty when they think money is involved and they will lie in court; and sadly you have to fight it.
 
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Personally i dont care how long this takes aslong as the allegations arent leaked and the media keep ignoring him
 
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I want him to testify he didn't know there was an Estate. I want to see that.
 
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He didn't know there was an estate? Am I understanding this right? I mean he did the Opus and was considered for Cirque de Soleil job. I really hope we have a good judge here that will see what is going on here. I know the courts are a business and such. It's just seeing June 25 listed as a date makes me sad. I don't know if it's a good or bad sign those dates. It's always going to be a hard day.
 
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He didn't know there was an estate? Am I understanding this right? I mean he did the Opus and was considered for Cirque de Soleil job. I really hope we have a good judge here that will see what is going on here. I know the courts are a business and such. It's just seeing June 25 listed as a date makes me sad. I don't know if it's a good or bad sign those dates. It's always going to be a hard day.

Yes, you can read it here

http://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/wadere.pdf

He is even claiming the Estate should have served him a notice of administration.
 
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If you guy's want a lesson in body language, here is Wade Robson all shut down during this Interview. We have Chris Judd, Jennifer Lopez's ex-husband.

Notice Chris isn't milking his being the former husband of Jennifer Lopez? A much more ethical person than Wade Robson!




I guess teaching at a Pulse Dance Workshop is too beneath the ultimate prize choreographer, Wade Robson!!!
 
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Any ideas as to when the judge will come with a decision?
 
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After several hearings I guess. The Estate wants to depose Wade.
 
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