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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The comments by Howard Weitzman appeared on TMZ the same day a few hours before WR's lawyer.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

shelly_webster said:
The comments by Howard Weitzman appeared on TMZ the same day a few hours before WR's lawyer.
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Still, if their only reason to go public was to defend Wade, his lawyer's statement in the same media where Weitzman's appeared would have been enough. It's clear they wanted big publicity for this. They also contradict themselves on why Wade did the Today's Show interview. Now they say just to defend himself against Weitzman's statements. But right after it WR said it was because he was advised he needed to say it as loud as he could in order to heal. So which one is it?

And they clearly were behind the leaking of the Joe letter, IMO.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

How could someone who wanted to work in the MJ Cirque du Soleil production not know about the administration of the Estate until sixty days before he filed his creditor's claim?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I hope MJs lawyers are here to collect all the info we/you have to defend MJ, or somebody should give them the info, fans should be cooperating with them.

Is it possible to give them such info from this thread through MJnewsonline team?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I've been away from the forum for like three weeks. Can someone give me a quick summary of all the happens since then? I would greatly appreciate that.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
How could someone who wanted to work in the MJ Cirque du Soleil production not know about the administration of the Estate until sixty days before he filed his creditor's claim?
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Oh, and didn't he write the foreword to the MJ Opus which was approved and endorsed by the Estate?

Does he pretend to be a retard or what?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
Oh, and didn't he write the foreword to the MJ Opus which was approved and endorsed by the Estate?

Does he pretend to be a retard or what?
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LOL I was just about to say something similar. This case is so full of holes and problems for Wade.

The fact that he was in talks with the MJ Estate about the Cirque show and the MJ Opus is surely enough to dismiss his claim without wasting another moment talking about it.

I am grateful that the media has not discussed this case much (so far), and I hope they don't suddenly get interested, but for those who do know about it, the dismissal of the case will not prove that Wade is lying. It'll be like the Chandler 'pay off' - it'll leave room for belief that MJ was guilty - and be some more 'evidence' for those who argue 'there's no smoke without fire'. More 'evidence' to suggest that MJ WAS guilty.

At least a civil trial where Wade is exposed as a lier (or not credible as a minimum) will help vindicate MJ. The trouble is it's easier to win a civil trial then a criminal one, and so there is a danger that Wade's attempt to win money from the MJ Estate may be successful, even though he's lying, resulting in the media reporting 'proof' that MJ was guilty, thus destroying MJ's legacy forever.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So basically...

- The dude has been defending MJ during the 2005 trial
- Has been talking positively about MJ all those years before his passing, and after
- Helped Mike's brother with writing a book
- Wanted to be in the Cirque Du Soleil show that was fully MJ Themed

And then turns around...and starts talking this nonsense? There's just so so much wrong with all this. It's beyond pathetic.

But it seems nothing big has happened yet so far?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

bobmoo79 said:
LOL I was just about to say something similar. This case is so full of holes and problems for Wade.

The fact that he was in talks with the MJ Estate about the Cirque show and the MJ Opus is surely enough to dismiss his claim without wasting another moment talking about it.

I am grateful that the media has not discussed this case much (so far), and I hope they don't suddenly get interested, but for those who do know about it, the dismissal of the case will not prove that Wade is lying. It'll be like the Chandler 'pay off' - it'll leave room for belief that MJ was guilty - and be some more 'evidence' for those who argue 'there's no smoke without fire'. More 'evidence' to suggest that MJ WAS guilty.

At least a civil trial where Wade is exposed as a lier (or not credible as a minimum) will help vindicate MJ. The trouble is it's easier to win a civil trial then a criminal one, and so there is a danger that Wade's attempt to win money from the MJ Estate may be successful, even though he's lying, resulting in the media reporting 'proof' that MJ was guilty, thus destroying MJ's legacy forever.
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^ Exactly what you said up there, that's why it's such a lose/lose situation.. The damage has already been done and there is no way of really 'clearing' Michael's name. Unless WR goes to court with this and gets exposed as a liar and a fraud, but I'm afraid that even that wouldn't really help, as people seem to remember the accusations more than the actual outcome of the case.. This is just a stain on his legacy that will never go away :no:
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What happens after today? If the judge throws out this creditors claim, does he still have a lawsuit that he can go forward with?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Lil said:
^ Exactly what you said up there, that's why it's such a lose/lose situation.. The damage has already been done and there is no way of really 'clearing' Michael's name. Unless WR goes to court with this and gets exposed as a liar and a fraud, but I'm afraid that even that wouldn't really help, as people seem to remember the accusations more than the actual outcome of the case.. This is just a stain on his legacy that will never go away :no:
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Exactly. The Arvizos were exposed as liars and frauds too but that didn't stop people from believing Michael was guilty.

Right now I feel the best thing would be to dismiss the case at this early stage. A lot of people haven't heard about it yet and it may stay that way if there is no case, since there would be no new developments for the media to report on. If this goes to court, I'm afraid it will blow up and the media will deliberately twist things as usual to make Michael seem guilty. Besides, there's a risk Michael will lose this case even though he's innocent due to the low burden of proof, which would be absolutely devastating to his legacy.

However, if there's no case, can Wade claim in public that he was abused by Michael without getting sued by the Estate for slander/libel? Because I worry that if he gets no money from the case, he'll try to make money in other ways e.g. through books and interviews, because his career in showbizz is pretty much over at this point.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

LindavG said:
Exactly. The Arvizos were exposed as liars and frauds too but that didn't stop people from believing Michael was guilty.

Right now I feel the best thing would be to dismiss the case at this early stage. A lot of people haven't heard about it yet and it may stay that way if there is no case, since there would be no new developments for the media to report on. If this goes to court, I'm afraid it will blow up and the media will deliberately twist things as usual to make Michael seem guilty. Besides, there's a risk Michael will lose this case even though he's innocent due to the low burden of proof, which would be absolutely devastating to his legacy.

However, if there's no case, can Wade claim in public that he was abused by Michael without getting sued by the Estate for slander/libel? Because I worry that if he gets no money from the case, he'll try to make money in other ways e.g. through books and interviews, because his career in showbizz is pretty much over at this point.
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That's exactly what i worry about too. I can see the shitface going to all kinds of papers, magazines, tv shows, books, and so on, claiming that MJ abused him and it will be far from over. That stuff should be illegal, if the case gets thrown out, it should be illegal to do such things in public and if he does..throw his ass in jail. What happened to his career in showbizz by the way? Not really aware of the things this prick has been in to aside from ruining my hero's legacy and name.

I'm not sure i understand what you mean with...MJ losing the case due to low burden of proof? If there's no proof at all, which i'm sure there ain't any of....how can he lose it? I don't think i understand that logic, but i'm probably misunderstanding it.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
I'm not sure i understand what you mean with...MJ losing the case due to low burden of proof? If there's no proof at all, which i'm sure there ain't any of....how can he lose it? I don't think i understand that logic, but i'm probably misunderstanding it.
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You can never predict a jury - and that's especially true at a civil trial. They may be people who think along the lines "no smoke without fire, MJ had been accused of this before, so maybe it's true". And since it's a civil trial where the burden of proof is more lax than in a criminal trial, they may decide in favor of WR based on that.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
You can never predict a jury - and that's especially true at a civil trial. They may be people who think along the lines "no smoke without fire, MJ had been accused of this before, so maybe it's true". And since it's a civil trial where the burden of proof is more lax than in a criminal trial, they may decide in favor of WR based on that.
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Oh my. So it already has come this far? A civil trial is happening? So the judge didn't throw it out then?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I have a couple of thoughts.

I feel we need to trust that the Estate has this matter well in hand. They have access to documents and information that we do not know about it. They would have been privy to conversations and discussions that we do know about. And they mean business.

Fans had some doubts about TMez's trial strategy and were concerned and wanted to send him information. And boy did we learn alot from TMez. The case he mounted was brilliant!

On the matter of Michael's legacy, I feel that you never know what little thing will change the tide on how some people perceive Michael. It may some be something that seems trivial or it may be something that shocks people. And all of a sudden people start to question and wonder.

But if that never happens, I don't really worry. Almost every day I see how Michael has impacted our lives. From a group of teenage dancers grabbing their crotch and shouting 'hee hee!' or a little baby transfixed by the Earth Song video.

It will take time but I truly believe that Robson, Chandler and the others will be footnote in Michael's incredible HIStory.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
No. I'm saying IF it goes to trial. I hope it will be thrown out.
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Oooh ok, my bad. When will we get to know what the judge's decision is? And how does this usually go. He/she hears the story, gets 'evidence' and then decides what to do with it? I just hope the Estate is fighting this with all the power they have.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
Oh, and didn't he write the foreword to the MJ Opus which was approved and endorsed by the Estate?

Does he pretend to be a retard or what?
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Well he's a retard now.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Is he saying he did not know Branca and McClain were in charge of the estate?
 
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This case that Wade Robson is presenting, reminds me of the first case against Michael Jackson, the Chandler's.

That's why I think it is great that the Estate will once again defend the honor of Michael Jackson. Look we watched John Branca answer Lara Logan on the "60 Minutes" Interview, where he said that Michael Jackson is an honorable man.

Fighting Wade Robson now, is showing the public how full of lies these pathetic souls truly are. Wade Robson and his lawyer will be shown the charlatans that the Chandler's are. It truly is 'anything for money.'

Wade Robson, I think, was trying to tie this in with the Cirque Show. Right now "Michael Jackson One" is in PREVIEWS, through June 28, then June 29th it will be the permanent Show through December 30, 2013.

Michael Jackson gave Evan, June and Jordy Chandler what they wanted, money. The publicity was killing Michael Jackson, both personally and in business. Wade Robson was there when it went down between Evan and Michael Jackson. Did it give the appearance that Michael Jackson was weak emotionally speaking? You would think the 2005 Trial would have set matters straight, but those who chose to believe what they want can just stay stubborn, a fool is born every minute. Education will set you free, not stay a slave to what someone is telling you, prove things for yourself.

That's what Michael Jackson did.

In order to get Jesus Christ charged with sedition, the Jews had to go to the Roman Government. That's where we learn the name of Pontius Pilate. He was the Governor of the area of Jerusalem. The rest is history. This is what happened in 1993, the Government got involved and that's how we became introduced to District Attorney Tom Sneddon. HIStory has a way of repeating itself.

The reason why Jesus Christ became a target with the Jews was because of a corrupt individual and it involved throwing out the money changers out of the Temple. When Jesus did this, he became a target with the man who was behind this corrupt business practice. This man's son-in-law was head of the Jewish religion. Then Herod, the king of the Jews, became friends with Pontius Pilate, after Pontius Pilate condemned Jesus Christ to death. Mob mentality came into play, too, because there were people planted in the crowd to sway the crowd and get Jesus sentenced to death. Now, do those who believe Jesus Christ was an innocent man still defend Jesus as an innocent man, of course, I'm still doing it and this is what gave Michael Jackson his faith to still believe in when the chips were down!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ I was with you until the Jew stuff, lol.
 
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AliCat said:
This case that Wade Robson is presenting, reminds me of the first case against Michael Jackson, the Chandler's.

That's why I think it is great that the Estate will once again defend the honor of Michael Jackson. Look we watched John Branca answer Lara Logan on the "60 Minutes" Interview, where he said that Michael Jackson is an honorable man.

Fighting Wade Robson now, is showing the public how full of lies these pathetic souls truly are. Wade Robson and his lawyer will be shown the charlatans that the Chandler's are. It truly is 'anything for money.'

Wade Robson, I think, was trying to tie this in with the Cirque Show. Right now "Michael Jackson One" is in PREVIEWS, through June 28, then June 29th it will be the permanent Show through December 30, 2013.

Michael Jackson gave Evan, June and Jordy Chandler what they wanted, money. The publicity was killing Michael Jackson, both personally and in business. Wade Robson was there when it went down between Evan and Michael Jackson. Did it give the appearance that Michael Jackson was weak emotionally speaking? You would think the 2005 Trial would have set matters straight, but those who chose to believe what they want can just stay stubborn, a fool is born every minute. Education will set you free, not stay a slave to what someone is telling you, prove things for yourself.

That's what Michael Jackson did.

In order to get Jesus Christ charged with sedition, the Jews had to go to the Roman Government. That's where we learn the name of Pontius Pilate. He was the Governor of the area of Jerusalem. The rest is history. This is what happened in 1993, the Government got involved and that's how we became introduced to District Attorney Tom Sneddon. HIStory has a way of repeating itself.

The reason why Jesus Christ became a target with the Jews was because of a corrupt individual and it involved throwing out the money changers out of the Temple. When Jesus did this, he became a target with the man who was behind this corrupt business practice. This man's son-in-law was head of the Jewish religion. Then Herod, the king of the Jews, became friends with Pontius Pilate, after Pontius Pilate condemned Jesus Christ to death. Mob mentality came into play, too, because there were people planted in the crowd to sway the crowd and get Jesus sentenced to death. Now, do those who believe Jesus Christ was an innocent man still defend Jesus as an innocent man, of course, I'm still doing it and this is what gave Michael Jackson his faith to still believe in when the chips were down!
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Comparing Michael to Jesus now?:no:
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That famous spanish guy ;-)

what times the hearing
 
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Hearing was set for 10am ... would've started 40 mins ago. And the anxious awaiting of word commences...
 
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we have fans attending the hearing today
 
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I keep forgetting I'm three hours ahead. Good to know some fans will be there.
 
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don't expect a ruling today. This will probably the first in a series of hearings and it's possible that the judge will take this into consideration before making a decision.
 
Judge says he's inclined to unseal portions of filings alleging molestation by Michael Jackson
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This image released by NBC shows choreographer Wade Robson during an interview Thursday, May 16, 2013 on the "Today" show in New York. Robson, who testified that Michael Jackson never abused him as a child, filed a claim against the singer's estate claiming years of abuse by the pop superstar. Robson claims he was abused by the pop superstar over a seven-year period. A Los Angeles judge said Thursday June 6, that he was inclined to unseal portions of Robson's court filings alleging molestation by Jackson, but that certain details wouldn't be made public to protect the choreographer's privacy. (AP Photo/NBC, Peter Kramer, file)


This image released by NBC shows choreographer Wade Robson during an interview Thursday, May 16, 2013 on the "Today" show in New York. Robson, who testified that Michael Jackson never abused him as a child, filed a claim against the singer's estate claiming years of abuse by the pop superstar. Robson claims he was abused by the pop superstar over a seven-year period. A Los Angeles judge said Thursday, June 6, that he was inclined to unseal portions of Robson's court filings alleging molestation by Jackson, but that certain details wouldn't be made public to protect the choreographer's privacy. (AP Photo/NBC, Peter Kramer, file)


LOS ANGELES — A judge says he is inclined to unseal portions of a choreographer's court filings alleging he was abused by Michael Jackson but that details of the alleged molestation should remain out of public court filings.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff made the comment Thursday to attorneys for Jackson's estate and lawyers for choreographer and television personality Wade Robson.

Robson has accused Jackson of abusing him for seven years when he was a child, but most of the court filing remains under seal.

Beckloff said he needed to address which elements of Robson's May 1 filings should be public before he could address whether the choreographer can pursue his claims.

The judge said he believed a psychiatrist's declaration about Robson's allegations should be completely sealed.
 
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