Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[ms fairy]

Hi everyone! Its been a long time since I have been on here. I thought this thread was gone as I couldn't find it. Thanks to Ape for giving me directions to the thread! So much to catch up on in this thread, only read the last couple of pages. Love your post Ape! MJ's Queen, was aware of everything as she was part of the trial, she was the key surprise mystery witness. She did not go public or take the stand. If you can recall MJ said after the trial that he had her to thank as she was the one that was able to prove his innocence. During the latter part of trial everything about her was removed and gagged and other stuff was done in the judges chambers which I don't know all the details. MJ did talk to the legal defense team to get somethings amended so that they could legally be together but I don't know what happened. My understanding is that she was so traumatized during the trial and almost died. There were 2 lawyers that were sent to the main medias to inform them they were not permitted to speak of MJ's Queen. Joy from the View almost got charged. So the Judge ordered a very serious protection order around her (all the details of what that entails I don't know) but how it played out actually hurt and harmed MJ and his Queen and their loved ones and also their trusted lawyers. Whenever MJ sings about walls, obstacles, challenges he is talking about legalities and conspirators that are separating them. The conspiracy against MJ and his Queen started when Michael was about 8 years old and grew (more conspirators joined in and things got more complex and serious) as each year and decade went by. Their lives have always been at serious risk and some of the songs and videos share that. By now most of you have figured out there was no plans in working with Sony again. What MJ and his Queen did was create songs through other artists....they were trying to escape and disappear. MJ did state before he was murdered that they were working on special events and projects, which is true, it was about love but in a different sense than its all for love. Its all for love is more about trying to protect her and their children and to make sure all the evidence in the dome project and rehearsals show all the conspirators.They had no plans for those This is it concerts. MJ had guns to his head he had no choice and just after that he said he couldn't escape as it was too late. If you noticed some of the lyrics the wording was about her about being alive and where he already knew he was dead. Elizabeth Taylor the mom MJ never had was very wise in how she went about things, she knew who was trying to murder them, the two birds, and she was also trying to get justice before she died, she was also tweeting some interesting coded messages to his Queen. Elizabeth really them loved them, she wanted Mj's queen to somehow get to her so she could help. Elizabeth was doing fine and some of the enemies pushed her to her grave.Where some of the problems lie is with the legal defense team from the trial as they are in the know as to who are the enemies and murderers. Some of the lawyers are very close to MJ and his Queen and have been for many years. So many claim to know MJ but they don't and all they want is fame and fortune. For those that really do know MJ they know who his queen is and they know and they know who the enemies and murderers are. The enemies and murderers also know who his Queen is.They also know that she is the sole heir to their children and the estate. All MJ asked for was for people to find their conscience and do the right thing coming from a place of love for LOVE, to make things right. I hope that the legal defense team gets onto making things right before more innocent people die. Invincible is an interesting album, it was planned for about 5 years before it came out, that long time period was a nightmare of many enemies for them. Bad, dangerous, history, invincible, the videos, chronological order and its very telling of the kinds of things they were put through. Did you notice the album cover of the 2 hummingbirds? The 2 bird poem is about her needing to speak but she can't til the conspirator murderers get behind bars...and that is the responsibility of the legal defense team. That trial was part of the conspiracy, basically it was like a reunion of all the enemies coming together. I was shocked that some of them back then weren't charged. I am now gonna try to catch up on the many pages I have missed out on...

 

[Ashtanga]

Hi everyone! Its been a long time since I have been on here. I thought this thread was gone as I couldn't find it. Thanks to Ape for giving me directions to the thread! So much to catch up on in this thread, only read the last couple of pages. Love your post Ape! MJ's Queen, was aware of everything as she was part of the trial, she was the key surprise mystery witness. She did not go public or take the stand. If you can recall MJ said after the trial that he had her to thank as she was the one that was able to prove his innocence. During the latter part of trial everything about her was removed and gagged and other stuff was done in the judges chambers which I don't know all the details. MJ did talk to the legal defense team to get somethings amended so that they could legally be together but I don't know what happened. My understanding is that she was so traumatized during the trial and almost died. There were 2 lawyers that were sent to the main medias to inform them they were not permitted to speak of MJ's Queen. Joy from the View almost got charged. So the Judge ordered a very serious protection order around her (all the details of what that entails I don't know) but how it played out actually hurt and harmed MJ and his Queen and their loved ones and also their trusted lawyers. Whenever MJ sings about walls, obstacles, challenges he is talking about legalities and conspirators that are separating them. The conspiracy against MJ and his Queen started when Michael was about 8 years old and grew (more conspirators joined in and things got more complex and serious) as each year and decade went by. Their lives have always been at serious risk and some of the songs and videos share that. By now most of you have figured out there was no plans in working with Sony again. What MJ and his Queen did was create songs through other artists....they were trying to escape and disappear. MJ did state before he was murdered that they were working on special events and projects, which is true, it was about love but in a different sense than its all for love. Its all for love is more about trying to protect her and their children and to make sure all the evidence in the dome project and rehearsals show all the conspirators.They had no plans for those This is it concerts. MJ had guns to his head he had no choice and just after that he said he couldn't escape as it was too late. If you noticed some of the lyrics the wording was about her about being alive and where he already knew he was dead. Elizabeth Taylor the mom MJ never had was very wise in how she went about things, she knew who was trying to murder them, the two birds, and she was also trying to get justice before she died, she was also tweeting some interesting coded messages to his Queen. Elizabeth really them loved them, she wanted Mj's queen to somehow get to her so she could help. Elizabeth was doing fine and some of the enemies pushed her to her grave.Where some of the problems lie is with the legal defense team from the trial as they are in the know as to who are the enemies and murderers. Some of the lawyers are very close to MJ and his Queen and have been for many years. So many claim to know MJ but they don't and all they want is fame and fortune. For those that really do know MJ they know who his queen is and they know and they know who the enemies and murderers are. The enemies and murderers also know who his Queen is.They also know that she is the sole heir to their children and the estate. All MJ asked for was for people to find their conscience and do the right thing coming from a place of love for LOVE, to make things right. I hope that the legal defense team gets onto making things right before more innocent people die. Invincible is an interesting album, it was planned for about 5 years before it came out, that long time period was a nightmare of many enemies for them. Bad, dangerous, history, invincible, the videos, chronological order and its very telling of the kinds of things they were put through. Did you notice the album cover of the 2 hummingbirds? The 2 bird poem is about her needing to speak but she can't til the conspirator murderers get behind bars...and that is the responsibility of the legal defense team. That trial was part of the conspiracy, basically it was like a reunion of all the enemies coming together. I was shocked that some of them back then weren't charged. I am now gonna try to catch up on the many pages I have missed out on...

:thinking:



MJ's Queen, She.... she was part of the trial..... who? I'm confused about this post...


:fear:

 

[Lisha]

Hey shila! how are u ? :waving:

Aw, thanks for askin'. :hug: I'm hangin in there...taking it one day at a time.

Hi everyone!

Hi, ms fairy. Once you get a typin' you sure get those thoughts a flowin' out of ya. That's some paragraph with lots to try to ingest. I do appreciate the fact that you have stayed consistent with this part of your story:

she was part of the trial, she was the key surprise mystery witness

and a few other things. If this Queen of his is the LITD girl, I hope she is okay. Sure sounds like she's been through a lot. I wouldn't want to be her. She's been through the ringer. :bugeyed


Well, you all lovers of romance you...I couldn't, afterall, get It's All in Your Name to fit so very well for this thread, *sigh* for we all agree it is not talking about a romantic kind of love and therefore probably not applying at all to the LITD girl (if she exists).

So...being that I don't give up easily... and if first you don't succeed, try try again and all that jazz...

Would you be willing to give this song a listen to? It is supposedly written and sung by R. Kelly, with him attempting to sound as much as MJ as possible. Oooooooookay.

Now, keep in mind, we at this point don't know if MJ had any involvement with these lyrics, or the idea for the song, although we have been given the impression he did give that kind of input with the songwriters that he had write songs for him. We can, however, feel assured that once MJ himself chose and recorded one of these songs written by others, that the songs were sort of "endorsed," and that he did find a connection with the song, and meant the words when he sang them. But this song...we just don't know enough about at this point...

[youtube]uhYiHMCR1-A[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhYiHMCR1-A&feature=player_embedded#at=160

The idea behind the song is nice, for the male is really trying to reassure the gal and wanting her to trust. Trust in him, and his love for her. Here are some lyrics (maybe Ape can hear more)

Tell me why should you ever have to wonder who's gonna be right here for you

Girl tell me why should you ever have to question who's gonna be lovin you

Believe in what I tell ya...



Now some of these adlibs at the end could very well support what I suggested once before in this thread, and that is that the LITD girl is a LUSH!! :lol: The adlibs sound very much like in Remember the Time, ya know "In the Park" "After Dark" "You and Me". But here it's:

In a Bar
In the street
You and Me

Soooo, what I'm picturing is they are in a bar together getting plastered and then they stumble out towards the curb, fall over and pass out in the street. You know, "you and me, laying there together passed out side by side, smack in the street" Can you picture it? :heart:Kinda romantic.:heart: No?

Apers, can you hear any more words? Or anyone? Do you guys kinda like the song?

 

[Ape]

Every time I tried to write something yesterday, my connection or something would quit and it just wouldn't do anything.. anyways.. I'll try again. 8701 my day off was not too bad from what I can remember. I felt lazy. Started to miss my dad. If I keep busy, I don't have to think about things that bother me.

Shila I was saying how wow that song really does sound like he has MJ in mind. At first I thought ok.. what is she thinking here (before I pressed play) but he not only uses MJs style, he basically plagiarizes the ending of Remember the Time (at first I was thinking it was some song on Invincible but then I remembered). So I wonder what the deal is there. It does go along with MsFairys suggestion that maybe he used other peoples music. ..

MsFairy do you know this lady yourself or do you just know about her? I'm sorry if you had answered this already, I couldn't remember the answer.

EDIT:YAY! Finally my post worked. I think that is basically all I had been trying to say. (It's quite a catchy song isn't it? I like it. Never heard it before.) Ok was just looking things up. It looks like this song was written for MJ. That's probably why he sang it in his style?

 

[LadyinHisLife80]

I want to believe he did. He sure deserved it.

 

[Ape]

I have a question. We know the spirit of this thread wasn't about figuring out who she was and all about her... but what if she were to come here and let us know that he really did have someone and we were correct. I don't mean someone just messing with us or our feelings, but the actual lady.. if somehow someday she did come here and wanted to give us some comfort and let us know that he did have love with someone in his life. The lady in his life did exist on more than just a spiritual level? Could we be supportive towards her and show her love as we would show him love? Knowing she was there for him when he needed it most and helped him through difficult times and put a smile on his face (a REAL heartfelt smile, not the sad smile from the "smile" song).

I was just wondering about all this. The purpose of this thread may evolve. It might be alright at this time when possibly she could be needing to see support, knowing what she would be going through right now especially. If that were to happen, do you think she would be welcomed with open arms here especially? I just think that those who visit this thread are a special kind of fan who really did want to see him happy even if that meant he was with someone other than us.

What are your thoughts?

 

[Ashtanga]

I have a question. We know the spirit of this thread wasn't about figuring out who she was and all about her... but what if she were to come here and let us know that he really did have someone and we were correct. I don't mean someone just messing with us or our feelings, but the actual lady.. if somehow someday she did come here and wanted to give us some comfort and let us know that he did have love with someone in his life. The lady in his life did exist on more than just a spiritual level? Could we be supportive towards her and show her love as we would show him love? Knowing she was there for him when he needed it most and helped him through difficult times and put a smile on his face (a REAL heartfelt smile, not the sad smile from the "smile" song).

I was just wondering about all this. The purpose of this thread may evolve. It might be alright at this time when possibly she could be needing to see support, knowing what she would be going through right now especially. If that were to happen, do you think she would be welcomed with open arms here especially? I just think that those who visit this thread are a special kind of fan who really did want to see him happy even if that meant he was with someone other than us.

What are your thoughts?

:thinking:



Apeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :shout: LOL

Immediately I remembered our conversation we had another day.... :fear: Well, I'll be silent.

 

[Lisha]

Hey Ape, I got your PM and you're right, I am sort of tired and busier than I'm used to being these days. But here I am for ya, and will do my best to give you some thoughts on things. This won't be a very well thought through post...um...

Hi, LadyinHisLife80, that was sweet and caring what you put in your post.

Oh Ashtanga! How I yearn for some of your input! I waste away yearning...and yearning. lol. *hugs*

This song I just posted (You Are My World) up above a few posts... I am finding to be quite haunting. It is very soothing for me to listen to. I'm liking it. And Ape, interesting you bringing up ms fairy's (and MJzPrincess1982's) theory that MJ liked to use his songwriter friends to get messages to the LITD girl through songs that they put out there. I remember also MJzPrincess1982 making a point to show us the lyrics to will.i.am's song, Fly Girl...becausethe beat from that song is the same as what we heard during the 2006 interview in Ireland w/Access Hollywood. We concluded in the end it was indeed the same song. Maybe you recall AllForMJ writing a good post all about that song and what it might be saying regarding the LITD girl?

A similarity to this song, You Are My World, and a couple other MJ songs is the concept of his wishing to "fly away" with his love. Obviously we can use the very song, "Fly Away" as one, but another is the recently released song, supposedly written in 2007, Keep Your Head Up, where the lyrics are,

Gimme your wings so we can fly


in You Are My World the lyric are:

Take my hand and we will fly away.


And some lyrics from MJ's, Fly Away:

And together we'll fly
I'll give you my heart

and

Fly Away
Gonna stay
Love today

What do you think MJ meant by the concept of he and his lady "flying away"?

The "take my hand" part to You Are MY World's line, is very much Michaelesque as well. How many songs of his included that message of his wanting to have a someone jusss "hold his hand." Many songs. It's definitely a recurring theme. We know how he felt about Tatum simply holding his hand under the table at a concert...it was magic to him (Rabbi book) so for him being truly conected with the one he loves must be figuratively like holding her hand and she holding his. If after their hands connect, and they take off together in flight (fly away) could it be representing when their love is finally free to take off from the ground and their life together can begin at long last? Could he be meaning something like that? Or just that when he finds the right one he will want to go away with her away from everyone's eyes so they can share what they have in private with no interference?

I remember the first time I heard The Way You Make Me Feel and thought the part being in there,

It's nobody's business but me and my baby's

as being so odd. Well, now after hanging around the MJ world and learning about his life and the way things have always been for him, it makes total sense to me. I get now why he put that in there.

Which leads me Ape to your question in this last post of yours.

I cannot see how it would work for MJ's LITD girl, if she really is out there and exists, to come in and attempt to let us know in this thread that it is she and how she is. I can't see it as being beneficial or wisdom or being received or believed. Wouldn't she very likely be attacked and we'd be saying PROVE IT!! and all that kind of thing (and don't get me wrong, with good reason...this IS online ya know).

Let's say she has been lurking, and reading this thread for some time, and maybe she has grown to have even some affection for it and some of us regulars in here. I can see her wishing she could connect or tell us how she has enjoyed the thread and our posts and say, "hey guys, you were right about so much!" (if that is the case) or just want to give some pleasant feedback and a friendly, warm "hello." But wisdom I think would tell her she would have to die to that and realize no one will ever know that she was the LITD girl.

Those are my thoughts and MAN! I sure have rambled here for someone who didn't think this post through first. Sorry guys.

Any other thoughts on Ape's question, you guys?

 

[Ashtanga]

Oh Ashtanga! How I yearn for some of your input! I waste away yearning...and yearning. lol. *hugs*

:shifty:


Thanks Shila! :hug: :give_heart:

she very likely be attacked

IF it exists.... Well, I believe everyone knows why she would be attacked :fear: ... June 25 and the rest of the whole thing. >>> Just my thoughts. *big sigh*

I hate talking about June 25 and all that is happening. This can only be a nightmare.

 

[Lisha]

IF it exists.... Well, I believe everyone knows why she would be attacked :fear: ... June 25 and the rest of the whole thing. >>> Just my thoughts. *big sigh*

I hate talking about June 25 and all that is happening. This can only be a nightmare.

Oh. I wasn't even thinking of that angle. I was just thinking she would be attacked for maybe being a "poser'. But, now you are getting me thinking here...you mean everyone would want her to explain "Where were you?!!! Why didn't you do something to protect MJ and keep this from all happening IF you REALLY loved him?!!!

That kind of thing?

Maybe she would have a good reason. But maybe her reason still wouldn't please. So we are back to square one...Ape, she shouldn't attempt it...seems like a no win to me. Comments?

 

[Ashtanga]

Oh. I wasn't even thinking of that angle. I was just thinking she would be attacked for maybe being a "poser'. But, now you are getting me thinking here...you mean everyone would want her to explain "Where were you?!!! Why didn't you do something to protect MJ and keep this from all happening IF you REALLY loved him?!!!

That kind of thing?

Maybe she would have a good reason. But maybe her reason still wouldn't please. So we are back to square one...

:yes:


Just that and I can only think that... She did not take care of Michael. She was not good and strong enough for Michael. She was not there for him.

People can come give me thousands of explanations and theories about it, but nothing convinces me and change my thoughts about it. -_- Of course, IF this girl really exists.

Everyone knows that I never believed it, why do I have a theory that Michael would marry again if he found true love (of course, he could have had a few flirtations with some girls, but it is something completely different when you find true love to be forever at his side )....



P.S. 1 Just out of curiosity, Karen Faye said something on twitter that caught my attention:

On Tuesday 19th July 2011, @wingheart said:

She was a fan that Michael knew, and liked, like many. He did not date her. He only "dated" when his intention was to marry. It is a part of his JW upbringing. He dated LMP. RT @Sara00000005: @wingheart Hi Karen ! Is it true that Michael dated a french fan called joanna thomae ?

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/br4l66

:fear:



And what happened on June 25 and the whole thing around it, I can only believe firmly that this girl does not exist. I can not think otherwise -_- .



P.S. 2 I just want to apologize for having thoughts so hard....sometimes. Sorry. *big sigh*

 

[Lisha]

*Shila is so excited she is jumping up and down with good pleasure!!!*

Ashtanga shared with us and gave some thoughtful input!!! :dancin:

Thank you.

But you still end your post with that sad, sad, crying emoticon.

We are now off-track from discussing song lyrics and instead got too involved with the LITD girl and what she was up to on June 25, 2009 (instead of helping her man!).

You know, it's none of our business. We shouldn't even wonder. She's "his" LITD girl...not ours. We are here to discuss lyrics about a "possible" LITD girl, keeping in mind always that there may not even be one...and we are just supposed to be having some fun with the romance and mystery of it all. And the LOVE. :heart:

We really should not even worry about ever knowing her and hearing from her. This thread is not about that.

We do better when we focus and talk about Michael and what he may or may not be saying about a possible "special someone" through his lyrics, hints, clues, passed actions, etc.

Yes? No? :scratch:

I know this thread may seem like it is all about "her" but it actually really isn't. There is so much more to it than that.

 

[Ape]

Ashtanga, while I can appreciate your feelings please be careful in placing blame here just in case you could be wrong and there is someone. Death happens to us all, and this was needless..but it does happen, and if there was someone in his life, she may feel these things without others bringing them up but it isn't right that anyone other than those directly responsible for this should blame themselves. It's like when a child dies from an accident. We all want to point fingers and place blame and the parents especially, but put yourself in their position how horrible they would feel already. They certainly don't need anyone else placing blame on them. They would need kindness and support and love. Nobody does things perfectly and no one can be there 100% of the time watching to make sure nothing happens to them, even for a child. You just do your best. He was a grown adult who had body guards to protect him and even they couldn't protect him.. so .. just please be cautious in placing any blame because it could put more hurt on someone who is already hurting (IF she does exist.. which you have to be open to the possibility).

 

[Ape]

Ok. I know we had talked about that in the past that this is what the thread is about. I just got wondering. Especially with it all kind of coming to a stand still in ways.. I thought about when someone mentioned about could this be a gift to her... got thinking about that. If it really could be a gift to her and could it benefit her as well as it has us.

 

[Ashtanga]

*Shila is so excited she is jumping up and down with good pleasure!!!*

:lol: > Thanks for making me smile.

Ashtanga shared with us and gave some thoughtful input!!! :dancin:

:shifty:


This was an exception. -_- Do not get too excited. :wild: :lol:

Thank you.

:give_heart:

But you still end your post with that sad, sad, crying emoticon.

Yes.... You know.... > Why do I think about June 25 and all that is happening .... It's not fair to Michael, a human being so wonderful. I feel deeply sad when I think about it. I'll feel this way forever. *big sigh* Move on.... despite all the pain.

Ashtanga, while I can appreciate your feelings please be careful in placing blame here just in case you could be wrong and there is someone. Death happens to us all, and this was needless..but it does happen, and if there was someone in his life, she may feel these things without others bringing them up but it isn't right that anyone other than those directly responsible for this should blame themselves. It's like when a child dies from an accident. We all want to point fingers and place blame and the parents especially, but put yourself in their position how horrible they would feel already. They certainly don't need anyone else placing blame on them. They would need kindness and support and love. Nobody does things perfectly and no one can be there 100% of the time watching to make sure nothing happens to them, even for a child. You just do your best. He was a grown adult who had body guards to protect him and even they couldn't protect him.. so .. just please be cautious in placing any blame because it could put more hurt on someone who is already hurting (IF she does exist.. which you have to be open to the possibility).

I have my thoughts about it and that's it ... I will not change them. Until something very, very, very concrete to convince me about it. -_- And I knew I should not say anything about it, but I'm stubborn and said here :sigh: :doh: (maybe I should be punished for it. LOL) ... :fear: The silence is the best option.

Do not worry, I will not talk about it here and with anyone. SURE!!!

Ok.... move on.

 

[8701girl]

I dont think any of us will ever stop thinking bout june 25th 2009....it will a day we all will never forget . I guess it still will be going around in our heads untill the trial comes and then we will get the answer's.

 

[Lisha]

Ashtanga, while I can appreciate your feelings please be careful in placing blame here just in case you could be wrong and there is someone. Death happens to us all, and this was needless..but it does happen, and if there was someone in his life, she may feel these things without others bringing them up but it isn't right that anyone other than those directly responsible for this should blame themselves. It's like when a child dies from an accident. We all want to point fingers and place blame and the parents especially, but put yourself in their position how horrible they would feel already. They certainly don't need anyone else placing blame on them. They would need kindness and support and love. Nobody does things perfectly and no one can be there 100% of the time watching to make sure nothing happens to them, even for a child. You just do your best. He was a grown adult who had body guards to protect him and even they couldn't protect him.. so .. just please be cautious in placing any blame because it could put more hurt on someone who is already hurting (IF she does exist.. which you have to be open to the possibility).

Well, if she is someone who had at the time and still has a relationship with God, then she has had two years for the Lord to minister to her and to come to a place of peace with it all, knowing securely that God, whose opinion should be most important to her, is not condemning her. What MJ's fans or other people think should pale in comparison. If they wish to point a finger at her, she should stand on what she knows to be true based on what God has shown her through His word and her relationship with Him.

(Oh, and Ash, don't worry about your opinion, and sharing it...but maybe the LITD girl is stubborn like you and wouldn't let your opinion get her down. Could you accept that? Maybe she's just being strong like you are, when she wouldn't see eye to eye with you Who knows? I'm talking about her hearing your opinion about not being there for Michael in the way you think she should have been...but then, to you SHE DOESN'T EVEN EXIST! haha, so who cares? )

But I do not have any idea, if there is someone, what she is like or how she thinks...and I remember at one point, early on in this thread someone (can't remember who right now) would often post and call us on "acting" like we know how the LITD girl would think or act, like we were presumptuously "speaking for her"...and of course, that is wrong. In fact, one day I was so embarrassed at the possibility that I was doing that too much in the early days of this thread that one day I went back and deleted all my posts. That's how embarrassed I was. I've since lightened up and try to word things better and make sure I often remind others that I don't know really anything and don't wish to act like I do, I'm just sharing some theories and thoughts.

And if I ever act like a know it all, please forgive me, and know that I'd be so embarrassed to learn it. :blush:

 

[Ashtanga]

(Oh, and Ash, don't worry about your opinion, and sharing it...but maybe the LITD girl is stubborn like you and wouldn't let your opinion get her down. Could you accept that? Maybe she's just being strong like you are, when she wouldn't see eye to eye with you Who knows? I'm talking about her hearing your opinion about not being there for Michael in the way you think she should have been...but then, to you SHE DOESN'T EVEN EXIST! haha, so who cares? )

:lol:


Thanks for your sweet words.... :give_heart: :hug:

 

[Ape]

oh for goodness sake... I just wrote out this long heartbreaking thought and somehow it screwed up when I went to post it so it's lost. grrrr

 

[Lisha]

^ Oh NO! Ape! Too long to try again? I'm sorry. I hate it when that happens to me.

Would love to hear what you wanted to say. :yes:

 

[Ape]

well.. when that happens, and it is something from the heart and emotional... it feels fake to try to capture it again.. and I almost forget what all I said. Though I do suppose I remember the idea.

I said something about how I just got thinking and put myself in her shoes (if she exists). I wondered how it would be for her. Just imagine you are her (Imagine she is real and alive in the world right now) and how it would feel to be her. She would need support and when you lose someone you love, you feel you need to talk about them and discuss them.. remember them. She wouldn't be able to do that. She couldn't take part how we do, and that doesn't seem fair or right to me.

When I was in Mexico taking care of my father after he died, I couldn't say anything for three weeks. I didn't speak Spanish and the people I was with didn't speak English other than the Swedish man who spoke some but I wasn't comfortable talking to him about it. So for three weeks I was forced to remain silent about the most difficult thing I had ever had to go through. I couldn't talk about how I felt or how it was to lose my father, or about my memories of him.. about how I love him and how special he was and is to me. WHen you lose someone you love, you need to be able to talk about them. You need to reminisce and share so much that it may even get annoying to those around you but you need that. If she needs to talk about him it wouldn't be for fame or for attention, it would be because people need that in grief or how can you ever recover? Just imagine how it would be to be stunted or shunned or rejected or blamed for trying to do what we all have the privilege of doing, which is discussing the man we all love and admire. It just is heartbreaking to me because of what I went through for just those 3 weeks. To never be able to talk about what you are going through like anyone else would... to me it's just so sad.

That's pretty well what I said just ... I don't know. Its what I was talking about but I'm sure it was said so much better before.

 

[Lisha]

Oh wow. This is a sensitive subject for it is for you so from the heart...I don't wish to give you what would seem like a trite answer...and so much of my perspective comes from my walk with the Lord and how I view things from that perspective. Gee. Well...

The thing is, Ape, that if this LITD girl is real and exists, and she was in a close, love relationship with MJ right up to the end, and then she lost him and was broken hearted, but also she is close to God (which seems like she would have been if she was MJ's choice because of how he was) then she would reach out at that time to those God had placed into her life to support her and comfort her and help her through the loss. God would not be remiss...He would bring someone to her, if not immediately, in time, to be there for her, to come along side. It is His way and how He uses the body of Christ; God's people.

God would never leave her or forsake her in her time of grieving for He is near to the broken-hearted. Unless she was having a weakened moment and taking her eyes off of God, I cannot see her going to MJ's fanbase for support. And because she was MJ's choice, and therefore what he believed was God's choice for him, she would be strong, like him, even if she couldn't talk to just anyone about it all.

God, knowing all things, would have prepared her all along for MJ, and no doubt would train her somehow to be able to not "need" to go to others, but to learn to be okay with keeping things private. Not everyone can do that; but God can help one be stronger in that area. Again that usually comes from getting one's eyes back on God and trusting Him to be in charge of all He decides to bring into our lives, knowing that not all are safe to befriend or share with.

(What I have been suggesting is based of course on something hypothetical in order to address the things you are wondering about)

To never be able to talk about what you are going through like anyone else would... to me it's just so sad.

I can see how it would be sad to you but if one wants God's purposes to be fulfilled and one believes He wants them not to share, than the strength comes to not and it is not so sad afterall, but the right thing to do...and that becomes more important.

Does any of that make sense? I think some of these things we are discussing are hard things to grasp.

 

[Ape]

No it does make sense. It does.. and not saying that you are wanting to leave anyone out, but I've never been one to leave someone out of a conversation. I try to get the quiet one to take part and when I was younger, if someone was alone, I would befriend them. I didn't like to have anyone left out. So it's a tough one for me. Maybe she wouldn't want to take part anyways, but .. you know .. I'm just being overly sensitive tonight. What you are saying does make sense... but I suppose it's the kid in me thinking "it's not fair" and .. seeing that it shouldn't have to be that way (even if it does have to be that way). Fame makes no sense to me. I can't see how it is a blessing. It's more like chains. What is the good in it and why do people desire it? I guess maybe it's feeling all that "love" from so many all at once.. is it power? It feels false to me. Fake. Maybe like money. It isn't real. We give it importance but it holds no candle to all we really are. We all can shine as bright as any celebrity. The good inside. Sometimes it all feels so clear to me. Then the next day after I've had sleep and some time away from thinking I go back to those thoughts I had typed out like this moment right now and think.. what the heck am I going on about? Free thought right now. Just typing whatever comes to mind. Typing brings that out of me. Doesn't happen when I talk or when I write.. only when I type.

Plus, I will add, I just listened to Tori Amos for a while and she has this affect on me.

 

[LadyinHisLife80]

I have a question. We know the spirit of this thread wasn't about figuring out who she was and all about her... but what if she were to come here and let us know that he really did have someone and we were correct. I don't mean someone just messing with us or our feelings, but the actual lady.. if somehow someday she did come here and wanted to give us some comfort and let us know that he did have love with someone in his life. The lady in his life did exist on more than just a spiritual level? Could we be supportive towards her and show her love as we would show him love? Knowing she was there for him when he needed it most and helped him through difficult times and put a smile on his face (a REAL heartfelt smile, not the sad smile from the "smile" song).

I was just wondering about all this. The purpose of this thread may evolve. It might be alright at this time when possibly she could be needing to see support, knowing what she would be going through right now especially. If that were to happen, do you think she would be welcomed with open arms here especially? I just think that those who visit this thread are a special kind of fan who really did want to see him happy even if that meant he was with someone other than us.

What are your thoughts?

You´re asking what would we do if someone come here claiming she was Michael´s girlfriend, right?
Well people can write anything on the web...so much people claiming to have known Michael,now everyone was his friend, girlfriend, wife, whatever. There´s a lot of different stories around the web. Some claim to know he was alone the last months of his life, just dedicating his life to his kids. Others that he had someone kept hidden from the world. Many fans believe he was alone because no woman would stand what Murray did and at that time maybe she had appeared to make justice.
Honestly, maybe I had given her the benefit of the doubt...though I understand if people don´t believe her completely. People can claim anything because Michael can´t back up it and at this point it is understandable that many people need to see to believe.

 

[Ape]

Well.. I was wondering if she did exist, and she were to come here, could she post and would she be received well by us. I know most likely people would just have troubles believing it's actually the woman in his life and not just someone making something up. This is the internet so people have been known to make things up online, but I was curious what people would think or how we would all react if not just someone did that, but if it actually was the woman (not that we could tell the difference... so maybe the question is unanswerable as it is).

 

[Ashtanga]

Well.. I was wondering if she did exist, and she were to come here, could she post and would she be received well by us. I know most likely people would just have troubles believing it's actually the woman in his life and not just someone making something up. This is the internet so people have been known to make things up online, but I was curious what people would think or how we would all react if not just someone did that, but if it actually was the woman (not that we could tell the difference... so maybe the question is unanswerable as it is).

:fear:

 

[Lisha]

... but if it actually was the woman (not that we could tell the difference... so maybe the question is unanswerable as it is).

Well, that's just it. And I don't know why the woman (if she exists) would wish to put any of us through that. Would she not realize that that would be the case? And would she not see that this thread is not about identifying the LITD girl or the LITD girl identifying herself?

It's like AllForMJ always said, it was up to MJ to identify her if he wanted to in his time and in his way. And now that he is gone, that part of the mystery should be left alone. Just my view.

Knowing who "she" is or connecting with "her" is not necessary for us to enjoy this thread, and discussing the lyrics and Michael. True?

 

[Ashtanga]

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:girl_whistle:

 

[Ape]

Okey dokes I'll tell her you said not to say anything. LOL jk. ONLY teasing. Sorry I had to lighten the mood from how I was yesterday.

 

[Lisha]

^ Oh, no, by all means, let her post and let me at her! Hahahaha. Just teasin' back, Apers.

uh...does anyone wish to make any comments on the song, You Are My World, posted by now SEVERAL POSTS BACK! :lol: