Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[Ashtanga]

Hey MP > :hiya:


I tried sending a pm to you.... BUT:

MysteriousPhoenix has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.

Wow!


It is not possible! :wild: Just saying to you...

 

[Lisha]

First of all, I want to give a shout out and a 'thank you' again to MagicGirl, and ladyinhislife80 and mysterygrl7, for adding your comments in the thread! :flowers: mysterygrl, had I gotten that wrong about you really knowing the songs off of Invincible well? How did I get that in my head? Hmmm. *scratches head*

Ape! I really, really like that song you posted and I think that guy is extremely talented, too, and quite the good song writer and song arranger. And yes, I had noticed how well those lyrics would fit MJ, and, then maybe, this thread. The song is quite haunting...the melody really stays with ya. I know this thread is supposed to focus on MJ songs, but I just have really appreciated hearing the couple of songs lately that remind one of MJ so well, like this one, Take Me Away, and the one posted by R. Kelly, You Are My World. I guess it's because I miss him and will take whatever I can get...how 'bout you guys?

Speaking of missing someone, I'm already back to missing MP, 'cause she just dropped by and then LEFT AGAIN! *cries* Maybe she needs a rest from posting and PMing and that is why she isn't in a hurry to make room again for PMs. I know how drained I can get when I receive too many PMs. So enjoy the rest, MP. But I hope you can drop by again soon. I ALWAYS miss your posts, and I like seeing that you are okay! (especially since you have mentioned things being so hard for ya )

I miss others, too, in here, when they haven't been around for awhile. This thread is what it is because of the people who contribute.

 

[Ashtanga]

I miss others, too, in here, when they haven't been around for awhile.

 

[Lisha]

:yes:

and

:hug:

 

[Ashtanga]

:yes:

and

:hug:

Yes..... and thanks! > :group::group:

 

[MysteriousPhoenix]

MP, I've missed you! :hug:

Ditto!:hug:

Maybe the song stayed with you and you thought of this thread because MJ would have driven this highway countless times enroute to Neverland from LA, and vice-versa. He would have been very familiar with that stretch of road.

Awww, his route to and from work. I never even thought of that. So, this road is more significant than I realized. And it is breathtakingly beautiful, as Ape has mentioned.

Hope to see you, Ape and Ash there 'cause ...

"I'm gonna go I know oh whoa oh whoa oh whoa oh whoa oh whoa oh whoa

'Cause a free wind is blowing in my hair and the day surrounds my daylight there

Seasons cryin' no despair alligator lizards in the aiiiiir in the aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiir ..."

An actual alligator lizard.

*Yep, it's still stuck in my head!* lol!

But reality should tell ya it isn't that easy to escape one's problems and they can tend to follow one, and really, I doubt California on it's own could solve anyone's problems. Although, come to think of it, that is how I ended up being born in California...my parents moved here from New Jersey to get away from the past and start a better future. My mom's relatives said to her, "We always knew you'd make it to Hollywood one day!" Of course, my parents didn't settle anywhere near Hollywood; but waaaaay over there in New Jersey...how were they to know? haha.

Cute!

I have been going back, the last couple days, and reading through this thread. I am struck by the way I am perceiving things this time around then when I first "lived" through reading the different posts. If any of you read the Bible, maybe you have experienced this, in that I can read a passage that I've read seveal times over in my life but one day I read it and it is as if some major truth hits me on the head. I'm like, 'Why did I never see that before...I've read this here a thousand times? "

I guess it's all timing. The word of God in fact has been referred to as "manna for the day" and if you remember, if the Israelites attempted to hoard or save overnight extra manna (more than they needed), that they picked up off the ground, the next day it would be filled with maggots and spoiled. Each day the manna was supplied by God for them to meet their need for that day only: a good illustration that God will provide exactly what we need each given day if we look to Him. And the word of God works that way, too...it is like our daily sustenance, and if we let it, it can meet our specific need for that day...tell us a "truth' just what we be needin' to hear for that day.

I have been primarily reading over AllForMJ's posts this time around, and it has been a bit like that for me...where I feel like I am reading them for the first time and now am seeing such great things in her posts that I hadn't remembered seeing before. She really posted in such a way which often showed so well that she has an understanding of God's ways and how He has worked in Michael's life in so many ways and areas. AllForMJ, I'm pretty sure, is one who spends lots of time in the word of God having her "manna for the day.' And I'm glad she does.

Interesting. I know what you mean. So, has your overall impression of this thread changed?

Back to the song, Ventura Highway, I read somewhere that it is viewed partially as a love song...I don't get that after reading over the lyrics. Did you get that impression MP?

I didn't get the impression it was a love song, but perhaps if someone is wating for someone it could be. Not sure.

and I am sorry your life has been so hard for you lately; mine has been very hard for me lately, too. I've been quite down. We can have a sad face together, you and me. + = 2 sad girls. (oh....THREE sad girls...Ash used a sad face, too!) ++ = me, mp AND Ash!

*Singing "Sad Girls" to the tune of Donna Summer's "Bad Girls."

To all the "Sad Girls" in the house ... unk:

But seeing your post cheered me up! :flowers:

Yaaaaaay!:clap:

To Ash, MP and Shila > :group:

:hug:

Also, I know it's not an MJ snog (lol I mean song but its too funny to fix) but this is so good and the lyrics beautifully fit in here. I am loving this song. Quite a talented music producer to create this.
[youtube]zIWgVT1dGOc[/youtube]
Take me some place different
somewhere by the ocean
and not return to the city
and all its' bad emotion

i dont wanna live
i dont wanna live
in the rain no more

i just wanna go
i just wanna go
where it's always warm

come on and
take me away

to where the sun is always shining
and the sky is always blue
i wanna live somewhere that's beautiful
and i wanna be there with you

we can leave this grey behind us
and start our life anew
forget our work and daily life
forever me and you

take me some place different
i know i'm deep in love
passion in the sunshine
is what i'm thinking of

I don't wanna go
I don't wanna go
in to work no more

no one understands
make stupid demands
i don't know what its for
oh baby take me away

to where the sun is always shining
and the sky is always blue
i wanna live somewhere that's beautiful
and i wanna be there with you

we can leave this grey behind us
and start our life anew
forget our work and daily life
forever me and you

I want my baby
I want my baby with me
I want my baby
tonight.......

-Nathan Jay

The lyrics of this song kinda reminds me of "Ventura Highway." I guess this song has been discussed in another thread and I did not know it.

Hey MP > :hiya:


I tried sending a pm to you.... BUT:





Wow!


It is not possible! :wild: Just saying to you...

My new Native American name is "MP Not Good With PM's." Haha! Well, I did a little "cleaning up" perhaps you should try again.

Speaking of missing someone, I'm already back to missing MP, 'cause she just dropped by and then LEFT AGAIN! *cries* Maybe she needs a rest from posting and PMing and that is why she isn't in a hurry to make room again for PMs. I know how drained I can get when I receive too many PMs. So enjoy the rest, MP. But I hope you can drop by again soon. I ALWAYS miss your posts, and I like seeing that you are okay! (especially since you have mentioned things being so hard for ya )

I miss others, too, in here, when they haven't been around for awhile. This thread is what it is because of the people who contribute.

Aww, I haven't been able to get on the computer as much lately. There are also times when I read what you guys posted and then don't have time to reply. You know that's gotta kill me since I always have something to say!


On a side note ...

... But I do not have any idea, if there is someone, what she is like or how she thinks...and I remember at one point, early on in this thread someone (can't remember who right now) would often post and call us on "acting" like we know how the LITD girl would think or act, like we were presumptuously "speaking for her"...and of course, that is wrong. In fact, one day I was so embarrassed at the possibility that I was doing that too much in the early days of this thread that one day I went back and deleted all my posts. That's how embarrassed I was...

Yikes! I hope you made copies!:mello:

 

[mysterygirl7]

First of all, I want to give a shout out and a 'thank you' again to MagicGirl, and ladyinhislife80 and mysterygrl7, for adding your comments in the thread! :flowers: mysterygrl, had I gotten that wrong about you really knowing the songs off of Invincible well? How did I get that in my head? Hmmm. *scratches head*

Shila, :ciao: you didn't get it wrong.. I thought it was funny, because you have no idea how intensely I have listened to that album.. I think I know all the lyrics by heart, and it is my favorite album.. it was so funny for me that you had noticed..


I think it was Ventury Boulevard that Michael drove on, when he came up with Billie Jean.. wasn't it? NOT totally sure... but I think it was more like a normal road and not a free way..

 

[Lisha]

Awww! MP, Your post is such a sight for sore eyes this morning...or afternoon, I guess (I really slept in this morning). :lol:

...that one day I went back and deleted all my posts. That's how embarrassed I was...

Yikes! I hope you made copies!:mello:

Well, no, that never occurred to me. But since being back over the older pages I see a fair portion of them were quoted so talk about "chop on my face" sorta thing...pretty much defeated that whole attempt! haha...silly Shila!

Awww, his route to and from work. I never even thought of that. So, this road is more significant than I realized. And it is breathtakingly beautiful, as Ape has mentioned.

Oh no, am I missing out on a pic here...I can't see it.

An actual alligator lizard.

:O Another one I can't seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

So, has your overall impression of this thread changed?

It's not that my impression is changed but that where I am at now is a different place than when I was first experiencing the posts for the first time. Summer and Fall of 2008 is a long time ago now...the Lord had taken me through some things and I am not the exact same person. And isn't it wonderful the way the Lord never leaves us at the same place but is always growing us up in Him and in understanding.

This is not to say that there are not some "views" posted back then that I did not agree with and still do not see in the same way as some others. I stand on my view that all MJ's notes to fans were solely for the purpose of letting his fans know how much he loved them and appreciated them and especially the one after the trial, to get across how very deep his gratitude was to them in the many ways they showed him love, loyalty and support. I cannot get onboard that his words in the notes were used as a way to communicate with "her" if there really has been a LITD girl. And I feel I am unbiased for I was not there supporting him during the trial, and I was not a fan, so his notes never had anything to do with me, then or ever. So I should not really care if they are to a gal or not. Either way would be fine. But I feel they are for the fans.

But I can see how the idea of him being cleverly resourceful and finding original ways to get messages to "her" is a very romantic concept, but reading back through the thread I was disappointed that so many pages in a row were devoted to these fan messages instead of being about finding things in his songs and lyrics. But that was then, and many of the readers back then were very "into" the things pointed out about the notes so, since this thread is also about escapism and romantic entertainment...hey...all's good, from that perspective. This thread has had a little something for everyone.

*Singing "Sad Girls" to the tune of Donna Summer's "Bad Girls."

You've got me dancin' now. I was definitely one of those that bought Donna Summer albums back in the day and danced my heart out to them. And ironically, after i married my husband I learned he went on tour with Donna to Japan and was a soundman for her. .

But what was probably more interesting for me to learn, is that he toured as the soundman for someone whose voice I had always loved listening to in the early 80's. His name is Bryan Duncan and he was in this Christian band called, Sweet Comfort Band. I thought his voice was so smooth and unique sounding. Here, I found a song I especially liked back then, The Road

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUwi1Uwvxko&feature=related

He is talking about how demanding touring is for him, and even though he doesn't know why God chooses to use someone like him in such a way, he will keep doing it for the Lord if it is what the Lord wants from him.

When all the long term fans of MJ's were back then buying and listening to Of The Wall and Thriller, I was buying and listening to things like this instead. Actually, if MJ had listened to this song back then, since he had already done some tours himself, maybe he would have related. Or maybe more so regarding the History tour, for then he had a new little one at home waiting for him who was "a part of him." :wub: (come to think of it, Prince was in a dream of mine last night. But as his age now. )

But like the MJ fans back then would have been pretty excited about meeting him, I guess I would have been, too, about meeting Bryan Duncan...I think I had a little crush on him. But when I met him briefly through my husband years later, I was already one who didn't put people up on pedestals like that, and he was just another person to me. He didn't even learn I was so into him in the past (well, it would have been inappropriate anyway for he and my husband were speaking quickly about business and then we were on our way).

But it's interesting when you end up meeting someone one day who you would never think you would in a million years. Has that ever happened to any of you?

To all the "Sad Girls" in the house ... unk:

Hey, thanks MP for encouraging us and making us feel better! oldie but goodie!:clap:

Aww, I haven't been able to get on the computer as much lately. There are also times when I read what you guys posted and then don't have time to reply. You know that's gotta kill me since I always have something to say!

You mean we inadvertently put you through a little torture in here? hahaha. How can we do that to you!!!

Edit: mysterygrl7, I'm glad I remembered that correctly afterall...it was because I was impressed that you knew the album so well! :flowers: And I read somewhere he came up with that baseline for Billie Jean while in a vehicle enroute to somewhere in LA.

 

[Ashtanga]

Hope to see you, Ape and Ash there 'cause ...

"I'm gonna go I know oh whoa oh whoa oh whoa oh whoa oh whoa oh whoa

'Cause a free wind is blowing in my hair and the day surrounds my daylight there

Seasons cryin' no despair alligator lizards in the aiiiiir in the aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiir ..."

An actual alligator lizard.

*Yep, it's still stuck in my head!* lol!

:lol:

*Singing "Sad Girls" to the tune of Donna Summer's "Bad Girls."

To all the "Sad Girls" in the house ... unk:

:wild:


I looooooooooooooooove this song! Thanks for posting!

:hug:

More > :hug: to you and everyone here. :give_heart:

My new Native American name is "MP Not Good With PM's." Haha! Well, I did a little "cleaning up" perhaps you should try again.

 

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Oh no, am I missing out on a pic here...I can't see it.

:O Another one I can't seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Oh, I had just posted a small pic of Ventura Freeway and a small pic of an alligator lizard, but they didn't show up. Ah, well. That lizard is an interesting little animal.

(come to think of it, Prince was in a dream of mine last night. But as his age now. )

That's interesting. I had a dream about Prince not too many nights ago, and like in your dream, he was also the age he is now. I hope he is doing well. It's funny, but no matter how old he gets, I always see him as that cute little chubby baby we were all introduced to way back when. Awww, soooo cuuuuuute was he!

But it's interesting when you end up meeting someone one day who you would never think you would in a million years. Has that ever happened to any of you?

Interesting story. Thanks for sharing. It must have been quite an experience. Really interesting that your hubby toured with Donna Summer. How cool! And nice to find out that you were a real Disco Queen! Haha!

In Other News ...

A new catchy tune for you guys. This one has been with me for a while also. Its a newer song ... don't get too many of those. But, it has a really good reggae beat. Also sounds a little Hawaiian or something, too. Enjoy!

http://youtu.be/F5mc-KNpSa8

 

[Ape]

Shila, thanks for posting that song I've never heard him before but he does have a smooth soothing voice. I also love the one just above me ^ I just listened to the link Jason Mraz song, and sang it all the way through. That song always reminds me of my daughter. She sang it and had us all singing it when we went to Hawaii (or maybe it was Mexico the year earlier). So it makes me happy. I love those trips with my kids. My favorite line in it is:
"I've been spending way too long checking my tongue in the mirror
And bending over backwards just to try to see it clearer
But my breath fogged up the glass
And so I drew a new face and laughed"

I always imagine doing that when I hear it.

Thanks for the :Hug: Ashtanga (Well Smilie Queen, I can't figure out the smilies, but you know what I was trying to write)

Mysterygirl I love the Invincible album as well. So do you have any thoughts on that album after getting to know it so well?

Shila, I keep thinking it would be great to read through the whole thread again someday but there's so many pages now. How far have you gotten? I tried once and got to page 19 I think.

Since we are on the Hawaiian theme, here is my favorite hawaii sounding song.
[youtube]V1bFr2SWP1I[/youtube]

 

[Ashtanga]

Hey people > :group: :give_heart:

I'm happy to see that this thread is walking :heart: .... I hope it stays that way. :angel: But it could get better if all the others who contributed so much to this thread in the past, they were still here. *big sigh* Thoughts and hugs for all who have left this thread :group: :heart: ... but maybe one day they come back... (???) I hope! :angel:

Thanks for the :Hug: Ashtanga

Thanks dear Ape! :give_heart:

(Well Smilie Queen, I can't figure out the smilies, but you know what I was trying to write)

Yes..... :shifty:

 

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Aww, darn! I can't see Ape's videos!

Hey people > :group: :give_heart:

I'm happy to see that this thread is walking :heart: .... I hope it stays that way. :angel: But it could get better if all the others who contributed so much to this thread in the past, they were still here. *big sigh* Thoughts and hugs for all who have left this thread :group: :heart: ... but maybe one day they come back... (???) I hope! :angel:

I KNOW it!!! This thread needs a little magic. But what would lure those old timers back in here. Hmmm ... perhaps the enticing aroma of popcorn popping? alrighty then ... hot buttered popcorn for everyone coming right up ...

(Yep, the way I see it, Ash, all our old friends ought start returning to the thread any second now ... annnnnyyy second now!:shifty:opcorn

 

[Ashtanga]

Aww, darn! I can't see Ape's videos!



I KNOW it!!! This thread needs a little magic. But what would lure those old timers back in here. Hmmm ... perhaps the enticing aroma of popcorn popping? alrighty then ... hot buttered popcorn for everyone coming right up ...

(Yep, the way I see it, Ash, all our old friends ought start returning to the thread any second now ... annnnnyyy second now!:shifty:opcorn

:give_heart:






Yes!!!!!!!!!! :wild: unk: :dance: :dancing: >>>>

:shifty:

 

[Ape]

Well... does anyone want to brave writing out a love story in the form of a fictional fairy tale but based on how they see things with Michael and his lady? That would completely get my attention at least. We each could maybe write our own? Does that sound alright? I was busy with my son's birthday today. We had soooo much fun! I first bought him a paintball gun at a garage sale for his birthday but we found out it didn't work so we took his birthday money and got a bb gun (yeah I know heal the world doesn't really fit with guns but.. oh well. It's not for anything but pop cans and bulls eye thingies). We went out by the river at an empty provincial campground and took turns (safely) shooting at the targets. 4 empty pop cans on a picnic table, then made a target with a few bulls eyes on it (in case we missed one there were two others available..lol) and set that up. We had our cake and picnic and took photos, sang happy birthday. We had a really nice time.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the thread but I felt like sharing. MP the video was just Iz's Somewhere Over the Rainbow, from Hawaii.

 

[Lisha]

Well... does anyone want to brave writing out a love story in the form of a fictional fairy tale but based on how they see things with Michael and his lady? That would completely get my attention at least. We each could maybe write our own? Does that sound alright?

Hmmm. Is it to be a serious depiction or can it be frivilous and ridicuolous...or are you hoping it will be fairly straight and believable?

I have had a hard time doing anything that involves creative expression for a long time now; not sure I could pull this off. I have been trying to get myself to start some giftart for someone, for I know how happy that always makes me feel as I'm doing it...but I can't get going on it...I'm so shut down in this way. Maybe I could try this though to get some creative juices going again? No promises.

I was busy with my son's birthday today. We had soooo much fun! I first bought him a paintball gun at a garage sale for his birthday but we found out it didn't work so we took his birthday money and got a bb gun (yeah I know heal the world doesn't really fit with guns but.. oh well. It's not for anything but pop cans and bulls eye thingies). We went out by the river at an empty provincial campground and took turns (safely) shooting at the targets. 4 empty pop cans on a picnic table, then made a target with a few bulls eyes on it (in case we missed one there were two others available..lol) and set that up. We had our cake and picnic and took photos, sang happy birthday. We had a really nice time.

Aw, that sounds so sweet of you to make such a special day for your son like that, doing together things he would enjoy. You created a special memory for you two right there!

I've never shot a bb gun before or at a target , bet it was fun. I have a memory of my brother when I was little (he is nine yrs older) shooting a bb gun at a duck flying above him while he was in a small fishing boat. He told the story somethun' like this(paraphrasing), "The duck just kept flying but stopped momentarily to wiggle his butt a little before continuing on." And then my brother died laughing. What a visual. But Maaan! Glad you two stuck to cans and homemade targets. lol.

MP the video was just Iz's Somewhere Over the Rainbow, from Hawaii.

Wow. Glad you posted this...after I read your post about that song "Take Me Away" all that day I found myself singing "Somewhere Over The Rainbow." There is just something so nice about the idea that there might be somewhere like that to escape to. This version by this Hawaiian gentleman is lovely...really good. I so enjoyed it. Thanks, Ape, for sharing it!

How buttery scrumptious and tempting and....LURING! :lol:

Shila, I keep thinking it would be great to read through the whole thread again someday but there's so many pages now. How far have you gotten? I tried once and got to page 19 I think.

Well, two days ago I stopped at page 267...but I do not necessary have page breaks where others do, I usually find I don't when someone has a page number referred to in a thread title. Last night I continued reading and stopped at page 283 which was landing me on post #5641. I have been reading sections over the past four or five days. It was two days ago when I came upon the posts following that , that day.... June 25, 2009, and everyone's replies had so much sadness in them. Now I am at the section where Moddie is beginning to share dreams she is having after asking God to give her some understanding on where things are for the LITD girl and MJ and why it all happened as it did. I do believe there are things in her dreams that would indicate God was communcating some things, but dreams are so symbolic.

MP, you were doing a really good job at helping us sort out what maybe the dreams were saying, and Lily and Ash were adding to it by copying and pasting things they found elsewhere that explained meanings behind different symbols.

Anyway, I think Moddie has a couple more dreams to post, if I remember correctly, and then the thread moves on once again.

I'm not reading every post...some posts are obviously like fillers and idle chattin'...so I pick and choose what I read.

It does though, Ape, make me want to research and post the timeline around MJ's life 2000-2003, for you asked more than once if that could be posted and no one did it for you. you were asking AllForMJ if she could give you more of an idea of what she meant by MJ starting to have that look of being sprung in 2002, and you were saying that you hadn't been around then so could she give you some specifics on what showed her that and what was going on at the time and leading up to it. So maybe we can do that for you still.

The assumption is that the LITD girl must have been in or came into his life then at that time. AllForMJ was basing that on how his demeaner was always lost and sad looking in photos in 2000 and 2001...but in 2002 he perked up.

You asked her, and I remember I did, too, if she felt that his perked up look in photos in 2002 matched the kind of happy glow we were all picking up in him during fall 2008, but she never directly answered that question. So I don't know the answer to that 'cause like you, I wasn't around paying attention to him and his demeaner in 2002. I'd have to research photos on my own and that sounds like work. :lol: That's why I never did it back then when this was being discussed I guess. Maybe I'll try now for ya.

That's interesting. I had a dream about Prince not too many nights ago, and like in your dream, he was also the age he is now. I hope he is doing well. It's funny, but no matter how old he gets, I always see him as that cute little chubby baby we were all introduced to way back when. Awww, soooo cuuuuuute was he!

I'm not just saying this, but Prince as a little boy, based on pics and vids i've seen... the way MJ had his hair and all, I think he might be the cutest little boy I have ever seen...like the achetypal of sweet and angelic looking little boys. But that doesn't mean I do not appreciate the Prince he is today for I sense I would respect his intelligence and his individuality...the person he has become and will continue to evolve into. In fact, my dream sort of communicated that to me, come to think of it.


But yes, he and Paris were both such cute little ones! Didn't you MP compare her once to Shirley Temple in here...yes, I think you did! (saw that post not too long ago)

And nice to find out that you were a real Disco Queen! Haha!

Well, Disco Queen only behind bedroom walls (meaning I danced all by myself in my own bedroom for exercise). I wasn't much for going out to discos with girlfriends. Maybe if I had had a boyfriend in that era who liked to dance, going to those places would have felt different...'cause I would have been there with him. That would have felt more comfortable and more fun, I should think. But yeah, had the Bad Girls album and Saturday Night Fever! hahaha.

... This one has been with me for a while also. Its a newer song ... don't get too many of those. But, it has a really good reggae beat. Also sounds a little Hawaiian or something, too. Enjoy!

http://youtu.be/F5mc-KNpSa8

(I asked Ape a similar question recently about a song she had posted, now it's your turn)
Sooo MP, just curious, whose perspective are you seeing this song from...MJ's or "hers", the LITD girl? Watch you pull the same (diplomatic) answer Ape did....

 

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Well... does anyone want to brave writing out a love story in the form of a fictional fairy tale but based on how they see things with Michael and his lady? That would completely get my attention at least. We each could maybe write our own? Does that sound alright?

Sounds interesting. I was just thinking we needed to take things in a fresh, new direction. Are you real patient, 'cause it may take me a real looooong time.

I was busy with my son's birthday today. We had soooo much fun! I first bought him a paintball gun at a garage sale for his birthday but we found out it didn't work so we took his birthday money and got a bb gun (yeah I know heal the world doesn't really fit with guns but.. oh well. It's not for anything but pop cans and bulls eye thingies). We went out by the river at an empty provincial campground and took turns (safely) shooting at the targets. 4 empty pop cans on a picnic table, then made a target with a few bulls eyes on it (in case we missed one there were two others available..lol) and set that up. We had our cake and picnic and took photos, sang happy birthday. We had a really nice time.

Cool! I wish I had a bb gun myself, but then again, that could be a dangerous thing in my hands since I have been having some anger issues lately, lol!

MP the video was just Iz's Somewhere Over the Rainbow, from Hawaii.

Interesting. That happens to be the song I was thinking of when I was speaking about the song that the song I posted sorta reminded me of.

Well, two days ago I stopped at page 267...but I do not necessary have page breaks where others do, I usually find I don't when someone has a page number referred to in a thread title. Last night I continued reading and stopped at page 283 which was landing me on post #5641. I have been reading sections over the past four or five days. It was two days ago when I came upon the posts following that , that day.... June 25, 2009, and everyone's replies had so much sadness in them. Now I am at the section where Moddie is beginning to share dreams she is having after asking God to give her some understanding on where things are for the LITD girl and MJ and why it all happened as it did. I do believe there are things in her dreams that would indicate God was communcating some things, but dreams are so symbolic.

Ahhh, Moddie's dreams ... I miss them. Going over the old posts is really something, isn't it? And as far as June 25, 2009 is concerned ... well ... there was just something so surreal about that day. I'll never forget it.

I'm not just saying this, but Prince as a little boy, based on pics and vids i've seen... the way MJ had his hair and all, I think he might be the cutest little boy I have ever seen...like the achetypal of sweet and angelic looking little boys. But that doesn't mean I do not appreciate the Prince he is today for I sense I would respect his intelligence and his individuality...the person he has become and will continue to evolve into. In fact, my dream sort of communicated that to me, come to think of it.

I know what you mean, the kid even had perfect little teeth! But, I noticed he seemed to smile the least of the three. Kind of a serious little boy most of the time it seems. Probably because of his high intelligence. He could have been a little child model, but I'm glad he wasn't. Like the song says, "God must have spent a little more time on ... him." But, I too think I would like the Prince of today. I think we would have a lot of fun together. He seems so confident and bright and ... I hear he is quite the athlete.

But yes, he and Paris were both such cute little ones! Didn't you MP compare her once to Shirley Temple in here...yes, I think you did! (saw that post not too long ago)

Yep, I did! She was so cute. What a little doll, huh? And like Prince, I am impressed by the person she has grown up to be. She seems to have both beauty and brains. And, such an elegant little lady. I like the way she carries herself. She kinda reminds me of my mother to tell you the truth. She to me is actually a combination of women - Michael's mom, his sisters, my mom and I think I even get a little bit of Elizabeth Taylor in there somewhere, too! Funny thing is though when she was little, she was the spittin' image of her own mother I thought. Interesting.

And as for Blanket, that gorgeous little carbon copy of MJ ... well ... all I've got to say is ... look out world! lol!

Well, Disco Queen only behind bedroom walls.

Woo hoo!

But yeah, had the Bad Girls album and Saturday Night Fever! hahaha.

Love the Bee Gees!

(I asked Ape a similar question recently about a song she had posted, now it's your turn)
Sooo MP, just curious, whose perspective are you seeing this song from...MJ's or "hers", the LITD girl? Watch you pull the same (diplomatic) answer Ape did....

Diplomatic? I don't like being diplomatic, I like being controversial! lol! Well, actually, in figuring this type of thing out I use a very sophisticated and complicated formula. Usually, (athough there have been some exceptions), if it is a female voice I assume it's coming from her perspective, and usually, (although there have been some exceptions here as well), if it is a male voice I assume it is coming from his perspective. Pretty complicated, huh?

 

[Lisha]

Cool! I wish I had a bb gun myself, but then again, that could be a dangerous thing in my hands since I have been having some anger issues lately, lol!

Oh NO! Um...hope you using the ol' put your fist to a pillow in the meantime ... and... counting to ten? *hopes she doesn't cross MP anytime soon*

And as for Blanket, that gorgeous little carbon copy of MJ ... well ... all I've got to say is ... look out world! lol!

"Look out world" is right!! He's very cute with a very special personality, too, ya can just tell. Paris is all those things you've said, and more, I think. :wub: to all three of them.

Diplomatic? I don't like being diplomatic, I like being controversial! lol!

:lol: THAT'S for sure!!! (MP is sooo spunky)

Well, actually, in figuring this type of thing out I use a very sophisticated and complicated formula. Usually, (athough there have been some exceptions), if it is a female voice I assume it's coming from her perspective, and usually, (although there have been some exceptions here as well), if it is a male voice I assume it is coming from his perspective. Pretty complicated, huh?

Yes, VERY! I think I blew a couple fuses and killed off a few brain cells just trying to figure out what you were saying! ahahaha.

Ooooooookay. So...MJ was getting to the point towards the end there, ya think, where he was ready to say it that plainly to "her" (if there is a "her)? That would have been nice for a lot of you girls to know back then, for in a lot of posts some of you were saying things like, "he should let her know how he feels already!!!" Well, there ya go, if MP is on the right track with this song, it's all right there. Very sweet, too. And not just the romantic lyrics in the song might be from MJ's perspective but the middle of the song's words are very MJish:

Listen to the music of the moment people dance and sing
we're just one big family and it's our godforsaken right
to be loved love love love love

But something else in the lyrics of this song reminds me of a possible MJ perspective regardng a message he was wanting to get across to his LITD girl, and that is from the song, Hold My Hand

Remember how the words said,

So why make our lives harder
(Hold my hand)
By fighting love tonight

and in, I'm Yours,

Don't please, don't please, don't please,
No, there's no need to complicate

And, Hold My Hand

This life don't last forever
(Hold my hand)
So tell me what we're waiting for

And, I'm Yours

Cause our time is short
This is our fate, I'm yours

Kinda interesting, huh. And obviously you picked a good song for here, MP!

 

[Ashtanga]

Well... does anyone want to brave writing out a love story in the form of a fictional fairy tale but based on how they see things with Michael and his lady? That would completely get my attention at least. We each could maybe write our own? Does that sound alright?

:thinking:


Dear Ape... I think you're proposing something very complicated and difficult, at least for me. :lol: :fear: :doh: I'm not really good to write about love like in fairy tales.

But I know that everyone here can do that :wild: :shifty: .... I'll watch it. >

I was busy with my son's birthday today. We had soooo much fun! I first bought him a paintball gun at a garage sale for his birthday but we found out it didn't work so we took his birthday money and got a bb gun (yeah I know heal the world doesn't really fit with guns but.. oh well. It's not for anything but pop cans and bulls eye thingies). We went out by the river at an empty provincial campground and took turns (safely) shooting at the targets. 4 empty pop cans on a picnic table, then made a target with a few bulls eyes on it (in case we missed one there were two others available..lol) and set that up. We had our cake and picnic and took photos, sang happy birthday. We had a really nice time.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the thread but I felt like sharing. MP the video was just Iz's Somewhere Over the Rainbow, from Hawaii.

:wild:


Very cool! You had a fun time. I hope that your son has a lot of fun. Birthdays are always sooooooooooooooo good. :wild: :holiday: unk: :dance: :dancing:

And as far as June 25, 2009 is concerned ... well ... there was just something so surreal about that day. I'll never forget it.

This is a fact, we will never forget June 25. I'll grow old, the years will pass.... but I really will never forget. *big sigh*

 

[MysteriousPhoenix]

One ... two ... three ... fourfivesixseveneightnineTEN! *Hey, this counting to ten stuff really works! I am less angry!*

Ooooooookay. So...MJ was getting to the point towards the end there, ya think, where he was ready to say it that plainly to "her" (if there is a "her)? That would have been nice for a lot of you girls to know back then, for in a lot of posts some of you were saying things like, "he should let her know how he feels already!!!" Well, there ya go, if MP is on the right track with this song, it's all right there. Very sweet, too. And not just the romantic lyrics in the song might be from MJ's perspective but the middle of the song's words are very MJish:

Listen to the music of the moment people dance and sing
we're just one big family and it's our godforsaken right
to be loved love love love love

But something else in the lyrics of this song reminds me of a possible MJ perspective regardng a message he was wanting to get across to his LITD girl, and that is from the song, Hold My Hand

Remember how the words said,

So why make our lives harder
(Hold my hand)
By fighting love tonight

and in, I'm Yours,

Don't please, don't please, don't please,
No, there's no need to complicate

And, Hold My Hand

This life don't last forever
(Hold my hand)
So tell me what we're waiting for

And, I'm Yours

Cause our time is short
This is our fate, I'm yours

Kinda interesting, huh. And obviously you picked a good song for here, MP!

That's pretty insightful there, Shila! I never saw the connection between the two songs. Amazing how many parallels there are and ... they both have a reggae beat. Hmmm ...

:thinking:


Dear Ape... I think you're proposing something very complicated and difficult, at least for me. :lol: :fear: :doh: I'm not really good to write about love like in fairy tales.

:lol: The way you phrased this reminds me of Billy Crystal when he sang, "You Look Mahvelous."

This is a fact, we will never forget June 25. I'll grow old, the years will pass.... but I really will never forget. *big sigh*

Did anyone experience any thunderstorms on that day?

 

[Ashtanga]

One ... two ... three ... fourfivesixseveneightnineTEN! *Hey, this counting to ten stuff really works! I am less angry!*

:lol:


:shifty:

:lol: The way you phrased this reminds me of Billy Crystal when he sang, "You Look Mahvelous."








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OMG! That was sooooooooooo funny. :lol: :wild:

Did anyone experience any thunderstorms on that day?

Hmmmmmmmmmm How so? :thinking:

 

[Ape]

Oh MP.. I was sitting here wondering how I would reply to everything and you wrote more..lol. .So I'll start with that and work my way up. I do remember thunderstorms or at least heavy rain. I remember having a shower when he was said to be going to the hospital and praying and worried and tears hidden in the water.. then when I got out there was rain and I was praying...then they announced his death and I was thinking "how could they report this??? How could they report something untrue that is THIS serious." That is how I felt. I felt it couldn't be true when I heard it and was angry with them.

We all had sooo much fun Ashtanga. Amazing how shooting things brightens ones day lol. I actually did pretty good once I took the scope off and figured it out.

About the proposal to write a love story based on MJ&lady... It doesn't have to be difficult or complicated. Nothing like MPs method for figuring out who's POV a song might be from. Just something simple is great Or complicated if you wish to go that route. I am so easy it's not funny (oh.. that didn't sound right). But really, feel free to write it however you wish about whatever idea you are thinking of at the moment in whatever style suites your mood at the time. Heck even switch in the midst of it if you want. I just think it would be so nice to read a bunch like that. ... I COULD dig out my version hidden somewhere deep in this thread somewhere but I'm afraid if I start to go looking for it, I will get lost and never find my way out again. So maybe we could all start from scratch? Maybe one of us can start and another can add to it if you want to do that instead? Or we all can do our own? Might be nice.

Shila that was such a great observation! The two songs with similarities. I enjoyed that. Thank you.

MP nice we were thinking of the same song. I loved his music and it reminds me now of Maui. I would love to go back there someday when I feel happier. It was so beautiful and peaceful. I remember you saying you should go there around the time I was going to go.. or were thinking it was a good idea or something (memory is shot I guess.. but I think it was you who mentioned liking Maui when I said I planned to take my kids there).

Hmmm. Is it to be a serious depiction or can it be frivilous and ridicuolous...or are you hoping it will be fairly straight and believable?

It can be whatever your heart desires darlin. I think it WOULD be great to get you back into creativity. I have full faith in your ability to create something fantastic.

How cool you also were thinking of the Somewhere over the Rainbow song. All three of us got connected somehow.
I don't know how many pages or if our pages are the same but the page this is on for me is 770. So I guess I didn't get very far with my 19 pages..lol. Is it the same for you? Would you recommend reading from the start again?

 

[Lisha]

^ the page it is on for me right now today is 578, but I have selected to have twenty posts per page, I think. How many posts do you have on each page?

 

[Ape]

I guess less than that. I don't know how to find that out other than counting them and I'm feeling lazy tonight now..lol. So you are actually almost half way through?

 

[Ashtanga]

I do remember thunderstorms or at least heavy rain. I remember having a shower when he was said to be going to the hospital and praying and worried and tears hidden in the water.. then when I got out there was rain and I was praying...then they announced his death and I was thinking "how could they report this??? How could they report something untrue that is THIS serious." That is how I felt. I felt it couldn't be true when I heard it and was angry with them.

*big sigh*


I remember, I was at work, preparing to go home... and then I knew that Michael was going to the hospital. Immediately my heart began beating very strong and I thought: Something serious will happen today....


When I got home and turned on the tv.... Well, you know...

We all had sooo much fun Ashtanga. Amazing how shooting things brightens ones day lol. I actually did pretty good once I took the scope off and figured it out.

Great! :wild:

About the proposal to write a love story based on MJ&lady... It doesn't have to be difficult or complicated. Nothing like MPs method for figuring out who's POV a song might be from. Just something simple is great Or complicated if you wish to go that route. I am so easy it's not funny (oh.. that didn't sound right). But really, feel free to write it however you wish about whatever idea you are thinking of at the moment in whatever style suites your mood at the time. Heck even switch in the midst of it if you want. I just think it would be so nice to read a bunch like that. ... I COULD dig out my version hidden somewhere deep in this thread somewhere but I'm afraid if I start to go looking for it, I will get lost and never find my way out again. So maybe we could all start from scratch? Maybe one of us can start and another can add to it if you want to do that instead? Or we all can do our own? Might be nice.

:thinking:



That would not be easy for me. I can not fantasize. I look at life and reality is sooooooooo hard. Is far to be like fairy tales. *big sigh*

You (Ape) and others are very good at it. :wild: As always, do a good job.

 

[Lisha]

That would not be easy for me. I can not fantasize. I look at life and reality is sooooooooo hard. Is far to be like fairy tales. *big sigh*

You (Ape) and others are very good at it. :wild: As always, do a good job.

But what you -could- possible do, Ash, is write a poem from the perspective of what "she' might feel towards MJ...you have felt that MJ had not yet met her...could you write a poem from a girl's perspective who has felt he was the one for her (but they had not met yet) but now it is to be a love lost forever and how she tries to get by each day knowing her love for him will never be realized? A sort of working through that loss and with your beliefs in God maybe bring God into it as well? I know you can write really deep and meaningful poetry. And I know you feel passionately about Michael. You could bless us with a lovely poem for sure.

Ape, one can select how many posts they'd like for each page in general settings, and since I do not see the option for 15 posts, I am going to guess the default is that, and that is what most have and why I am not lining up with others. I still remember when AllForMJ or someone had a post celebrating this thread reaching 100 pages i was like "wha...?" haha!

Anyway, yes, I am about halfway through, and yep, I am, at least, enjoying myself, but I can get a bit tenacious, so now that I've started, I imagine I won't stop till I'm done. *rolls eyes*

 

[Ape]

You know.. Tenacious is my dads boat's name. (well it's my brothers and mine now I suppose but I'll always see it as dads). That runs in our family as well. Dad was so happy with the name of the boat because it just fit him so well (and all of us) though my mom tends to call it bullheadedness. I'm ok with that . Lately though, I get so busy with life and work that things I want to do end up forgotten.

I think your idea for Ashtanga is a wonderful idea. I'd love to see that.

 

[Lisha]

You know.. Tenacious is my dads boat's name. (well it's my brothers and mine now I suppose but I'll always see it as dads). That runs in our family as well. Dad was so happy with the name of the boat because it just fit him so well (and all of us) though my mom tends to call it bullheadedness. I'm ok with that . Lately though, I get so busy with life and work that things I want to do end up forgotten.

I think your idea for Ashtanga is a wonderful idea. I'd love to see that.

Hmm...does tenacious necessarily mean "stubborn" like I picture "bullheadedness" to mean? I have a lot of nerve bringing up that word "stubborn" into this thread again. Remember, Ape, how roused it got SoS when we suggested the LITD girl might be the "stubborn oblivious" type. There preceded SEVERAL posts regarding that whole thing. :lol: That was fun to recently read over. What a threesome you, her and I always made when conversing. ahahahaha. Wonder if she is okay?

Anyway, I always think of tenacious as being persistent. Ya know, like, once starting something, not letting go of that goal until you've completed/reached it...something like that.

Moving on to something else, I was looking over the words from, shoot, now the name has escaped me...it's off of Off The Wall. I think Stevie Wonder might have written it. But this line was so sweet...

Love Came And Possessed You
Bringing Sparkles To Your Eyes

How lovely if a guy's love can have that affect on his woman...causing her eyes to sparkle like that...and vice-versa. :heart:

 

[Ashtanga]

But what you -could- possible do, Ash, is write a poem from the perspective of what "she' might feel towards MJ...you have felt that MJ had not yet met her...could you write a poem from a girl's perspective who has felt he was the one for her (but they had not met yet) but now it is to be a love lost forever and how she tries to get by each day knowing her love for him will never be realized? A sort of working through that loss and with your beliefs in God maybe bring God into it as well? I know you can write really deep and meaningful poetry.

:thinking:

And I know you feel passionately about Michael.

Yes.... forever! :girl_sigh: :girl_in_love:

You could bless us with a lovely poem for sure.

:wild:


Ok.... You win. -_- :wild: I was just looking at my writings here and I found something, it's simple :blushing: ... But, I'll post it here :fear: :

By Ash


Now I'm here
Thinking of you
How happy I was
Seeing you smiling
Through his smile
My world was lit
It seemed would never end
But it all ended so fast
And I was here in this darkness
This miss you erodes me
In my heart...
The memories I have of you
Come at dusk
I really wanted you to see
Even if this miss you... do not pass,
My angel, I hope that one day
We will meet
And I'll be able to hug you...

:girl_give_heart:

:blushing:


And I was just listening to that song...


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And thinking of Michael. :girl_sigh: :girl_in_love:




*big sigh*

I think your idea for Ashtanga is a wonderful idea. I'd love to see that.

:shifty:


Ash sometimes have good ideas.

 

[Lisha]

Now see! Ash, these two things you've posted are absolutely perfect. That song made me want to cry, that's for sure!

And that poem...lovely, and can't you see how it could be the feelings and thoughts of the LITD girl (IF IF IF *remembers she's talking to Ash* "she" EXISTS! lol)....especially after her losing him?

Perfect ~ Perfect ~ Perfect! :clap:



...for Ash :flowers:

and a big, big !!!