Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[Lisha]

I'm just going to open this post with saying, sometimes Asedora you say some really smart stuff.

I DO care about you Lashi. Each human being is a little universe. Each person is very important in this world and each human has her/his own unique life path. :huggy:

Aw, sweet of you to say, but I was really just trying to put things in proper perspective and meaning who should care (or get upset by) any one person's opinion? I wasn't trying to put myself down. I'm not sure how many in this world I have value to, but I know that to some I do, especially to God. It is enough.

But Michael sexy stage image was sort of very intimate image for nobody to see really.:secret: I know hard to balance such controversy but I hope you understand what I mean.

I'm confused by this. Nobody to see really, but he intentionally does it for all to see? Hurts my head, Asedora...you had better explain more fully. Does this somehow tie into your beliefs in reincarnation? :scratch:

...a combination of sexual firework and innocence at the same time. That's would be be her imo. Just like Michael :cheeky:

I think this is very possible. And I believe what is behind those sexual fireworks in Michael, and maybe her as well, is passion...the passion that comes out in his expression and therefore, in his dancing.

But "sexual fireworks" is separate than "affecting" being sexual as part of showmanship; meaning specific moves that you expect to give a "rise." When Michael placed his hand in front of (but did not actually touch, but it gave the illusion that he was to those in the audience) Siedah's um, "lower area"... that was a strategic move to get a rise out of the audience. Did he make the right call? Have you heard the audience's reaction to it in any of the YouTube vids? Michael would say, "I rest my case."

But there are times when he dances with passion that creates a sexual firework of its own when he is not even meaning to be sexy...that is different, and it is inherent in him. I would guess if his LITD girl, (if she shares this same passion), could just be dancing... where he is watching her, her own passionate expression would be a turn on for him, without her doing one thing to come off sexy. It would just come out in her naturally when she dances.

Do you think he would be into her dancing in front of a mixed crowd and do on purpose sexual moves to turn the guys on in the room? I would like to think, no, he wouldn't. But she might attract guys anyway, just by the way she moves her body unaffectedly when she gets into the music, because she dances with passion and abandonment...freedom. If she is like MJ in this way.

One can be passionate and innocent at the same time. With that I agree.

 

[Ashtanga]

You and Ash really do agree on a lot of things. *waves at Ash*

I'm not alone on the opposite side. :shifty:

Asedora.... :hi:



This thread is going. I'm happy for that. :give_heart: :give_rose:

:shifty:

 

[Lisha]

This thread is going. I'm happy for that. :give_heart: :give_rose:

:clapping:

Would he attract you doing that sort of thing not on stage?

Whoops, I missed that question. And if I don't handle it just so I'll be in danger of turning bright red! :blush: lol.

No, if you mean I was in a room with Michael Jackson and others, and it wasn't a concert and he did those affected moves...I still would view it as being sexy acting "on purpose." It wouldn't attract me. If you mean if I had an intimate relationship with Michael Jackson, and for me, that would have to be in marriage due to my beliefs, than I feel this way:

Intimacy with another should remain just that, intimate!

I'll say this though, if he was sexy acting on purpose with me in a put on way, I'd laugh. If he was sexy just by being natural, then that is another ... intimate ... story...

lol.

(I wish I hadn't gone back and seen that question)

I think I'll turn red again. Don't mind me...:blush:

 

[8701girl]

EDIT: btw, 8701girl, I wanted to acknowledge what you said here:

...could very possibly be part of what was going on. Didn't we at some point in here suggest that there was something about "her" that maybe he found intimidating? Good insight, 8701girl! :clapping:
...

Well guys we have to remember michael was a pretty shy man and i think he found it hard to confront woman bout his feelings & relationships.

 

[Ashtanga]

:clapping:

:wub:

No, if you mean I was in a room with Michael Jackson and others, and it wasn't a concert and he did those affected moves...I still would view it as being sexy acting "on purpose." It wouldn't attract me. If you mean if I had an intimate relationship with Michael Jackson, and for me, that would have to be in marriage due to my beliefs, than I feel this way:

Intimacy with another should remain just that, intimate!

I'll say this though, if he was sexy acting on purpose with me in a put on way, I'd laugh. If he was sexy just by being natural, then that is another ... intimate ... story...

lol.

(I wish I hadn't gone back and seen that question)

I think I'll turn red again. Don't mind me...:blush:

My thoughts fly away now thinking in Michael .... :shifty: :naughty:

:blush:

 

[Asedora]

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[Lisha]

Well guys we have to remember michael was a pretty shy man and i think he found it hard to confront woman bout his feelings & relationships.

True. And about that possibility of his finding her intimidating...this has been perplexing me a little bit.

IF she came around in 2002, or 2003, after being "lost" and away, or if after One More Chance came out, and she (if there is a she) did something to respond to him like come online and join a MJ site or MJ chatroom, or wrote him a letter or two, which I would think would be to let him know she loved him and believed in him and his innocence(considering this was after OMC and is in 2003) and was there now to support him...AND her posts were now communicating these same positive things to him...well, wouldn't he feel affirmed? Then WHY OH WHY would she come off to him as intimidating? He's gettin' all this good feedback from her....all the way since 2002, 2003! It should have been "full speed ahead" for him, a full "green light."


No intimidation. :no: She's being receptive and loving. Go for it, man!


I guess we need MP's post now to understand what was keeping them apart, huh?


(are we moving at too fast of a pace now...is it getting hard to keep up?)

 

[Asedora]

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[Ashtanga]

I picture that she might have a very attractive body because God probably created a possibilty for them to meet each other and she had to be an attractive woman for him physically.:scratch:

It's difficult to know why we did not send in our heart, then we do not know what kind of person we'll fall in love. Love is always surprisingly, mysterious and the principal... always happens unexpectedly. We did not choose with whom we fall in love. The true love simply happens...

Well, in the case of Michael (He is special.... :wub, most important, is the entire conjunct. No use being beautiful, attractive, wonderful and perfect on the outside.... and the inside of her? What would she have to offer for Michael beyond a perfect beauty? And for the children of Michael? She did not would only that only that love Michael..... unconditionally :heart:, but his children too. :heart: :wub: To Michael, she had that to be much more than an attractive woman and beautiful. I believe that Michael would agree me (I'm sure he would choose rigorously that woman.).... or no. (?) lol!


:fear:

 

[8701girl]

True. And about that posiblitly of his finding her intimadating...this has been perplexing me a little bit.

IF she came around in 2002, or 2003, after being "lost" and away, or if after One More Chance came out, and she (if there is a she) did something to respond to him like come online and join a MJ site or MJ chatroom, or wrote him a letter or two, which I would think would be to let him know she loved him and believed in him and his innocence(considering this was after OMC and is in 2003) and was there now to support him...AND her posts were now communicating these same positive things to him...well, wouldn't he feel affirmed? Then WHY OH WHY would she come off to him as intimidating? He's gettin' all this good feedback from her....all the way since 2002, 2003! It should have been "full speed ahead" for him, a full "green light."


No intimidation. :no: She's being receptive and loving. Go for it, man!


I guess we need MP's post now to understand what was keeping them apart, huh?


(are we moving at too fast of a pace now...is it getting hard to keep up?)

Could it be he found her intimadating cuz he was scared of losing her..?

 

[Sdeidjs]

Mr.Michael Jackson truly and wholeheartedly says it B.E.S.T~~~






God Bless

As Always~~~

:angel:

 

[Asedora]

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[MysteriousPhoenix]

Sexual fireworks? Wow! A girl really misses a lot when she's off having a "code in her nose"!

Oh, about the "transparent" comment: I meant it literally. Don't read too much into it. lol! I'm a sarcastic person. But my sarcasm has seen me through some very rough times; it's how I get through - a sort of coping mechanism, if you will. And I know, it's the lowest form of comedy, but it works so goooood! lol!

And now onto this ...

True. And about that posiblitly of his finding her intimadating...this has been perplexing me a little bit.

IF she came around in 2002, or 2003, after being "lost" and away, or if after One More Chance came out, and she (if there is a she) did something to respond to him like come online and join a MJ site or MJ chatroom, or wrote him a letter or two, which I would think would be to let him know she loved him and believed in him and his innocence(considering this was after OMC and is in 2003) and was there now to support him...AND her posts were now communicating these same positive things to him...well, wouldn't he feel affirmed? Then WHY OH WHY would she come off to him as intimidating? He's gettin' all this good feedback from her....all the way since 2002, 2003! It should have been "full speed ahead" for him, a full "green light."


No intimidation. :no: She's being receptive and loving. Go for it, man!


I guess we need MP's post now to understand what was keeping them apart, huh?


(are we moving at too fast of a pace now...is it getting hard to keep up?)

Yeah, ya know, I had thought the exact same thing myself. What in thee heck is the intimidation all about!:scratch:I never got that either. I'm sorry. Here is a man who sings about making love all night 'till dawn and then all day again until it turns back night again and beyond. And you mean to tell ME that he would be intimidated by anything? He should fear NOTHING!

So that takes me to this ...


"But when it comes to bein' lucky, he's cursed
But when it comes to lovin' me, he's worst..."
~ Sheryl Crow (The First Cut Is the Deepest)

This type of thing (the intimidation - amongst other crazy things) is precisely why I think their relationship is CURSED! I mean, what kinda crazy thing is that for him to think? If he thought that, it was probably the CURSE making him think silly thougths like that. It was probably the CURSE that made a lot of strange things happen. The question is ... how they gonna fight it? Do they even want to, 'cause you gotta wanna do it!

Oh, I'm sorry for my rant. I need to go back to bed and nurse my code!

 

[Asedora]

Sexual fireworks? Wow! A girl really misses a lot when she's off having a "code in her nose"!

Can you explain it to me what do you mean? I am not sure, you know..... .

This type of thing (the intimidation - amongst other crazy things) is precisely why I think their relationship is CURSED! I mean, what kinda crazy thing is that for him to think? If he thought that, it was probably the CURSE making him think silly thougths like that. It was probably the CURSE that made a lot of strange things happen. The question is ... how they gonna fight it? Do they even want to, 'cause you gotta wanna do it!

That gets more scary now :shock: Could you pls explain some more about that CURSE theory? I have never thought about it but now I do :blink:

And... I really hope you are feeling better

 

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Can you explain it to me what do you mean? I am not sure, you know..... .

Oh, I'm sorry Asedora. I just meant I have a cold, but I was trying to say it in the cute way that the cartoon character in Lashi's post said it.

That gets more scarry now :shock: Coud you pls explain some more about that CURSE theory? I have never thought about it but now I do :blink:

It IS scary, Asedora. I am beginning to believe that somewhere along the way, MJ's and his LITD's relationship got some kind of curse placed on it. I used to not believe in such things myself. I was always of the belief that those type of things only worked if you believed in them. But when bad things happen over and over and over again, I think it's time to consider that perhaps something deeper (like a curse, spell, hex) is involved. I don't think it's so unusual, though. I mean, look at the position MJ was in. He might have been like a magnet to both good AND bad things. However, it may have been placed on them long ago, if Favoritetune's theory about past lives is true. I don't know, but there definitely seems to be something strange going on. They have just had too much misfortune for it to be nothing.

Oh, but I meant to add: the good news is, curses can be broken.

 

[Asedora]

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[MysteriousPhoenix]

That's was very cute one. :lol:




It is scary. I do believe personally that it could be the case too. I cannot say for sure but I know that curse can work trough generations. And because I do believe in reincarnation, I understand what you mean. Some women are just very jealous and they do anything to keep two loving ppl apart.
If it is oK here I have one real story of the artist who was a sex symbol back in my country of origin. Hovewer I am not sure it will fit this thread because I will have to explain it bringing this conversation to some spiritual aspects and my own phycsic abilities had been used too. Becase strange thing happen and his soul asked for an assistance. This is how did find out that it was a curse on him.

I would like to hear more about this artist when you get the chance. I think artists and other people in show business are very vulnerable.

 

[Ashtanga]

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I was talking only about physical attraction, not about anything else. Well, I am sure there had to be many, many other things to match.
It had to be a nice balance of physical and divine in her. Do you know what I mean? Just like him, you know... . Maybe she would not look like a movie star or something but I assume she would have to be good looking woman If God created her for him in case if they meet some day, she had to be an attractive one for him.

I know you were just talking about physical attraction :yes:... is that my thoughts flew away a little when I read your post (in fact always fly very far when I think of Michael. :lol: :wub... sorry. :blush:

Little Michael!!! :wild: I love this picture. Sooooooooooooo cute!!! :wub: :heart:

It IS scary, Asedora. I am beginning to believe that somewhere along the way, MJ's and his LITD's relationship got some kind of curse placed on it. I used to not believe in such things myself. I was always of the belief that those type of things only worked if you believed in them. But when bad things happen over and over and over again, I think it's time to consider that perhaps something deeper (like a curse, spell, hex) is involved. I don't think it's so unusual, though. I mean, look at the position MJ was in. He might have been like a magnet to both good AND bad things. However, it may have been placed on them long ago, if Favoritetune's theory about past lives is true. I don't know, but there definitely seems to be something strange going on. They have just had too much misfortune for it to be nothing.

Oh, but I meant to add: the good news is, curses can be broken.

Well, there is still another thing: jealousy. Michael was always a man envied by many people.... and other things. You know, he not had good people around him. Not just jealousy, but people with negative energy is very bad... because attracts bad things and still have that feeling: I do not trust all around me. Fear, insecurity...... and many other feelings. I believe that difficult a little things in the life of Michael. And I always believed that he never trusted blindly and 1000% in people around him. There was always doubt and uncertainty. And with women, I also believe it would be no different, sure. *big sigh*


:fear:

 

[Rubi]

Mr.Michael Jackson truly and wholeheartedly says it B.E.S.T~~~



God Bless

As Always~~~

:angel:

History, one of my favorite performances from Michael. Forget all the little things, admiring the grandeur of seeing him dance. And he just dance ... and I rediscover life ....
Tks

 

[Asedora]

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[8701girl]

Mr.Michael Jackson truly and wholeheartedly says it B.E.S.T~~~






God Bless

As Always~~~

:angel:

unk:unk: Love these songs

 

[Lisha]

But my sarcasm has seen me through some very rough times; it's how I get through - a sort of coping mechanism, if you will. And I know, it's the lowest form of comedy, but it works so goooood! lol!

I thought that puns were the lowest form of comedy/humor? At least that is what my son tells me ever time I give him a lame pun. But they are just too tempting to pass up. :smilerolleyes: Oh, and please do not devalue sarcasm like that to me again...I don't know what I'd do without it either, MP. I soooo understand.

I'm sorry. Here is a man who sings about making love all night 'till dawn and then all day again until it turns back night again and beyond. And you mean to tell ME that he would be intimidated by anything? He should fear NOTHING!

Why do I think that if AllForMJ reads the way you've worded this, she'll die laughing? :lol: I just think it will tickle her. You ARE funny, MP!


Notice I am staying quiet 'bout the whole curse thing? That is because I would have waaaaaaaaaaay too much to say on the subject and I do not want to put you all through it. But I am very interested in your dialoguing about it. I'm listening carefully. Please continue. :angel:

Could it be he found her intimadating cuz he was scared of losing her..?

8701girl, you are really giving some zingers here. Really good insight. It would make sense if God showed him her years ago that she was "the only one for him", that he would build things way up in his mind and heart, and then if it didn't work out, it would be all the more devestating. Well, actually, that pretty much is what the pain in Who Is It is all about, isn't it? Im sure he didn't wish to experience anything like THAT again. Not a fun time for him.

 

[8701girl]

8701girl, you are really giving some zingers here. Really good insight. It would make sense if God showed him her years ago that she was "the only one for him", that he would build things way up in his mind and heart, and then if it didn't work out, it would be all the more devestating. Well, actually, that pretty much is what the pain in Who Is It is all about, isn't it? Im sure he didn't wish to experience anything like THAT again. Not a fun time for him.

Glad to hear im giving u some zingers :lol:


Anyway... Your right that is what "who is it" is bout but altough that song is bout the girl cheating on him. I think michael was more afraid bout the media getting in the way more than anything.

I think a deep part felt that he could never find love cuz she may have belived in the whole "hes a nutcase" thing.

 

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Well, some strange thing happened and I knew that he is going to die 6 months before he passed. At one point I was thinking that I am crazy :crazy:
After he passed which was shocking for me (a diagnosis was exactly the same what the voice told me), his soul asked me for an assistance after he passed but, I did not provide this kind of help for him cos I had a reason. This is the story. I am trying to be short here. Basically, this is how I did find out that it was a curse on him but I did not know for sure.
Nothing is for sure when a person comes to you in spirit out of the blue.

Two years later there was a program on TV about his friends trying to find out what was behind his death and they found out that it was a curse . The story is: two women were fighting over him. And one went to a special place and placed a curse on him using black magic. I was really in shock myself because I already knew all details about two women he sort of told me being in spirit and it did match what his friends found out 2 years later. So, I do not know what was in Michael’s case… . I hope it is not that bad.
It is scary in one way but on another hand these ppl who do it they get it back eventually.

Thanks so much for sharing this, Asedora. It's very interesting. I remember reading not to long ago about some minister or something who was trying to get in contact with some artist who was having trouble after trouble after trouble because she believed someone was cursing him behind his back, but she was unable to reach him. This story sounds similar.

I thought that puns were the lowest form of comedy/humor?

Oh, I like those too!

Why do I think that if AllForMJ reads the way you've worded this, she'll die laughing? :lol: I just think it will tickle her. You ARE funny, MP!

Well, I just couldn't understand how someone could be so suggestive with his lyrics and dancing and singing and everything and then turn around and be intimidated by much less from someone else. Maybe WE should be intimidated by HIM! But perhaps its as 8701girl says it is.

Notice I am staying quiet 'bout the whole curse thing? That is because I would have waaaaaaaaaaay too much to say on the subject and I do not want to put you all through it. But I am very interested in your dialoguing about it. I'm listening carefully. Please continue. :angel:

Wow, sounds interesting. Well, if you ever change your mind, and have some info that pertains to this topic, feel free to write away! Oh, and don't forget about those other long and intense posts of yours!

 

[Lily]

Reading through the posts I have only one current thought that I'd like to say...

I hope MJ didn't live his life as a "what if", but rather a "what is". Ultimately we are responsible for our own happiness. Carpe diem, life's too short.

 

[Asedora]

Notice I am staying quiet 'bout the whole curse thing? That is because I would have waaaaaaaaaaay too much to say on the subject and I do not want to put you all through it. But I am very interested in your dialoguing about it. I'm listening carefully. Please continue. :angel:

.

I have much more things to say about it but I prefer not to. I just want to say once again, ppl who do it get it back no matter what. Time it is not an issue here. I hope everybody is having a great day

 

[Sdeidjs]

I want to take this opportunity to thank you all for your reflective thoughts on one of our favorite threads on MJJC.

I have been extremely busy working on my undergraduate law degree(s), and with employment so I have not had much to post/respond as much as I would like.

Please know, I would love to respond to every post but due to time restraint(s) that cannot be possible. So please forgive me.

RE: With regards to Lashi's response to my Visionary Quote from my Nearest and Dearest...Here is a You Tube Video that will explain what was meant in this MJJC thread on post #10264.

Many moons ago, my nearest and dearest once told me one of many things he found so intriguing about life was the ability to "look outside the box"...That is what makes an individual so unique and different...For those of US that share these attributes are TRUE VISIONARIES..!

"Therefore Susie, always remember, whatever happens continue to always look outside the box and one day "I KNOW" all your dedication, loyalty, determination will one day make your many hopes and dreams a reality~~~"

As Always
:angel:


Without further a do~~~


"A TRUE VISIONARY THAT THOUGHT DIFFERENTLY~~~"





Therefore, "with "God Like" tendencies, throughout Mr.Michael Jackson H.I.S.tory...he continued to encourage, educate the world that despite all the trials and tribulations the world throws our way...WHEN WE BELIEVE IN L.O.V.E...WE "CAN TRULY" HELP HEAL/CHANGE THE WORLD~~~"

GOD BLESS

As Always~~~

:angel:

 

[Strange Blues]

Without further a do~~~


"A TRUE VISIONARY THAT THOUGHT DIFFERENTLY~~~"








Therefore, "with "God Like" tendencies, throughout Mr.Michael Jackson H.I.S.tory...he continued to encourage, educate the world that despite all the trials and tribulations the world throws our way...WHEN WE BELIEVE IN L.O.V.E...WE "CAN TRULY" HELP HEAL/CHANGE THE WORLD~~~"

GOD BLESS

As Always~~~

:angel:

Who's the person speaking in the video? Everything said there is so on point and reflects what an amazing and unique person Michael is/was. He always thought outside the box, making people see things from a new angle, and that's why the world will always remember and miss him.

 

[Lainy]

Man I love this thread :wild: :lol:

I'd just like to thank everyone for posting your thoughts. That was so so interesting to read. I'd like to have answered a few posts but my head goes too tired. I'm in nervous yet, tomorrow will be a long day for me. Wish me luck and pray for me.

Please continue doing the great job. I'm reading everything and anxious for reading the next posts. God bless all

 

[8701girl]

Reading through the posts I have only one current thought that I'd like to say...

I hope MJ didn't live his life as a "what if", but rather a "what is". Ultimately we are responsible for our own happiness. Carpe diem, life's too short.

Yeh i hope the same thing.