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Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

MysteriousPhoenix said:
Very profound insight. This could very well be the key. Maybe their thoughts have to be in alignment (if he's still around). I'm curious about the one sentence, "He maybe sacrificed himself for that one love to get her attention and attracted millions." Could you maybe expound on that a little?
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That question wasn't directed to me but...

"Love is an illusion without sacrifice, and sacrifice without love is an impossibility." ~Henry Bordeaux~
Maybe for one love and love their children, maybe to teach people something important about our planet/humanity this gave the world the opportunity to meet Michael Jackson so truly (?)

ignore me, I'm just rambling on my thoughts lol :fear::lol:

Asedora said:
Well, all I have to say answering to your question is that from my observations, humans sacrifice themselves for love all the time since the beginning of creation. If you have a God given talent, you are in the situation when it is much more difficult to find your soul mate and you do it through your art. This is the only tool you have and you have to be creative, cos nothing else you can do.
Michael is not the first person with the talent who sacrificed himself...
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Excellent point. :)
 
Lainy said:
That question wasn't directed to me but...

"Love is an illusion without sacrifice, and sacrifice without love is an impossibility." ~Henry Bordeaux~
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:wub: And.....

Love is wanting happiness and everything that is good for your loved one. Love is not wanting someone, it's wanting what is best for she/he. I don't care if he is with someone else, as long as he is happy. Knowing that he is happy is all I need. It's about sacrifice. I would make the ultimate sacrifice for my loved one. Not only would I take a bullet for him, but I would put a bullet in myself to protect him.
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"But love is blind, and lovers cannot see,
The pretty follies that themselves commit."

Shakespeare
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Lainy said:
Maybe for one love and love their children, maybe to teach people something important about our planet/humanity this gave the world the opportunity to meet Michael Jackson so truly (?)
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Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He did it.... :wub:



Lainy said:
ignore me, I'm just rambling on my thoughts lol :fear::lol:
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:fear:

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Asedora said:
I believe, God created such rule: if you want a perfect love, you have to sacrifice yourself to get it. There are many examples in human history when ppl even die for love. In Michael’s case I believe all what he did as an artist, he did to find that “divine” love which he probably lost before. I think it is very clear in his lyrics.
And yes, I do believe he attracted millions to find just one, because how else he could find her if God put him in the situation when she was not his next door neighbor? His art at the same time is a great benefit for this world . That's what keep this world alive.:) :heart:
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I had had that thought before. I wondered if maybe he had gotten so much worldly regocnition just to gain the attention of one, but I did not think it was realistic. Now I am wondering if that just may have been the case (with the rest of the world benefiting also, of course).
 
8701girl said:
What has happened to that thread? hardly anyone posts on it anymore :(
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The energy is not that strong anymore. It feels diffrent now and everybody started to feel it around the same time, in July 2010.
This thread started in July 2009 and it finished around that time one year later.
Sensitive ppl like me, mjbunny and others who was in this thread since the beginning can feel the energy change with no doubt. One year I was living my life in craziness and I was close to the point that my brain was going to explode.:doh: It was so intense and now it feels different much more relaxed.
Everybody says the same. Just there is no need to post anymore. It just feels that way and ppl left around the same time. Looks like Michael just finished his business here. That's all.
 
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Asedora said:
The energy is not that strong anymore. It feels diffrent now and everybody started to feel it around the same time, in July 2010.
This thread started in July 2009 and it finished around that time one year later.
Sensitive ppl like me, mjbunny and others who was in this thread since the beginning can feel the energy change with no doubt. One year I was living my life in craziness and I was close to the point that my brain was going to explode.:doh: It was so intense and now it feels different much more relaxed.
Everybody says the same. Just there is no need to post anymore. It just feels that way and ppl left around the same time. Looks like Michael just finished his business here. That's all.
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Its amazing how the enegry in that thread started & finshed at the same time aye.
 
I've been waking up with this song in my head the past couple of mornings. What's amazing is she sings a line that talks about having met "before" and the word "lifetime" comes up again ("Some people wait a lifetime ..."). I thought it might mean something, but then again I've also been waking up to Beyonce's "Single Ladies" lol! "All you single ladies, all you single ladies ..."

*Just realized backdrop of the videio reminds me of the backdrop of the YANA video.*



 
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Favoritetune said:
Asedora are you sure he asked LMP to be in that video? If so it seems he definitely wanted to show the song was not about her and it was not an accidental production.
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Yes he did ask Lisa to be in that video. I remember reading it somwhere from his interview. Probably Rabbi tapes.

Asedora when Mysterious Phoenix asked you to expound on your statement I remembered an interview I read recently where they said Michael stated the girls out there were his dates (speaking about fans at his gate) and thought maybe he had hoped some girl he had met and loved would come to his gate. By making that statement he likely did "sacrifice himself" and attracted lots more attention then he already had. Also if he was trying to please her through his music, call her through his songs or whatever then I am sure a lot of girls would have picked up on his messages in hoping they were for them. Is that what you meant? Very insightful!
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Yes, this is how it looks like and this is what I meant. I did not know actually about him speking to fans at his gates. It is just proves that probably my idea does have sense.

if you look at how the devil tried to prevent the birth of Moses. They had every child killed from a certain age range since they did not know when he would be born but it was done for that period.
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Just one remark about the Bible. I do not believe 100% what the Bible says, but I do not remember reading about Moses that kind of stuff and I am not sure what do you mean. Egyptians never killed babies. They actually gave life to Moses when Egyptian queen picked him up from the basket in the Nile River. I do not know what version of the Bible do you read. Mine is old Orthodox Church vesion transpated from Greek to Cyrillic many moons ago.
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If your posts do not appear immidiately, you probably have to contact mods by PM and they will chage your profile settings.:)
 
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Fav said:
Does it take a day before our posts show or hor how long? This is Wed.
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I'm going to take a guess and assume because you are "junior member" status that all posts for that status are reviewed before the posts go through. Once your post count reaches a certain level, I would assume they will start posting immediately, for you will be beyond the probationary period. I'm just figuring this out, not sure...where's Lorraine, the Mod, when ya need her? She'd know! :D LORRAINE!!!

Fav said:
...where they said Michael stated the girls out there were his dates (speaking about fans at his gate) and thought maybe he had hoped some girl he had met and loved would come to his gate.
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Interesting....and plausible. I remember some fans, who were lucky to be at the Neverland gates at the right time (during the trial), describe how they were fortunate to be invited inside Neverland. They explained the "selection process" was done by MJ himself, for there were camaras set up where he could watch from inside, those that were hanging around out there, and decide for himself who he felt might be a good choice to let in. Was he also "looking" or "watching out" for his LITD girl in this way via hidden camaras? Was he hoping one day he would see her standing out there?


Fav said:
Fall Again and Don't Walk Away are two songs that seem to be saying he wants to be with someone, have a second chance or whatever but what else is going on in those songs? What is really keeping them apart?
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I am just stopping by quickly right now, no time to post further...but I am thinking through a response post about what might be being said in these two songs. Soon I will be sitting in the car waiting for my son during his Karate class, so I'll put the time to good use and see if a post comes to me then...
 
Lashi said:
Interesting....and plausible. I remember some fans, who were lucky to be at the Neverland gates at the right time (during the trial), describe how they were fortunate to be invited inside Neverland. They explained the "selection process" was done by MJ himself, for there were camaras set up where he could watch from inside, those that were hanging around out there, and decide for himself who he felt might be a good choice to let in. Was he also "looking" or "watching out" for his LITD girl in this way via hidden camaras? Was he hoping one day he would see her standing out there?

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Dear Lord! I did not know that. :doh: This is what he did? It just proves once again that I might be right with my theory. He maybe was obsessed with the idea of finding that one.
He was hoping maybe sure but, it would not work in case of LITD if she was not his fan.
Besides, not every woman would want to be a part of that "selection process".

No matter what, if Michael did find his LITD and was happy with that all his life, the world probably would never had a chance to hear songs such as YANA, Fall Again, Do not walk away, Stranger in Moscow, One more Chance, Invincible, This is It and many, many others.
 
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:wild: Wow! Lashi that's was an amazing post, I didn't know that. I see you changed your username, I like this.
You know I can't wait for your next post about "Fall Again" and "Don't Walk Away".

*singing* A moment like this some people wait a lifetime for a moment like this some people search forever for that one special kiss... :chillin::girl_karaoke:
Great song Mysterious Phoenix.
 
Lashi said:
... Interesting....and plausible. I remember some fans, who were lucky to be at the Neverland gates at the right time (during the trial), describe how they were fortunate to be invited inside Neverland. They explained the "selection process" was done by MJ himself, for there were camaras set up where he could watch from inside, those that were hanging around out there, and decide for himself who he felt might be a good choice to let in. Was he also "looking" or "watching out" for his LITD girl in this way via hidden camaras? Was he hoping one day he would see her standing out there?
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:boohoo:
 
Lainy said:
I see you changed your username, I like this.
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Thanks, Lainy! :) And I'm glad you guys could tell it is me. Just because someone's packaging is changed, doesn't mean they are not the same ol' person they have always been inside. I'm still me.

I have about five or six posts floating around in my head but I will try to stick to one focus in this post. I think I will continue on with exploring this whole idea of MJ wishing she would have come to Neverland; ya know, the "ball in her court" thing, due to his unique situation and he maybe figured it would be simpler if she would just put out the effort to come to him.

I saw your crying, sad, face, MP, based on my scenario up there, and it does make us feel for him if he was hoping and waiting, and hoping and waiting, and she never shows. Maybe he would have liked to have asked her the question at one point, because he just couldn't understand it, "Why didn't you come to Neverland?" aww. :(

I'd like to present a "possible" defence for the LITD girl on this subject.

This might be me also looking through my own lense, but so often that is how we come to places of understanding things. So...first...some people just are not the type to go hang around a home of a celebrity. It would make them feel awkward. Second, some females are just not the type to hang around in front of a home of a guy they are hoping to be with, because they do not want to be the one pursuing. That would make them feel uncomfortable and pushy and totally obvious. Third, it seems, based on his lyric in Beautiful Girl, "she never knows" that even though she maybe spotted things in his songs that seemed to point to her, she still didn't have a 100 percent confidence it was about her, and she would feel foolish assuming such a thing. So how could she be so bold to plop herself on his doorstep (or front gate) when she wasn't sure.

I think it was brought up before that realistically what could she have said to his guards at the gate, if they even made themselves available to her? "I am the girl MJ is in love with, and I know this because of what he says in his songs. Please tell Michael Jackson I am here." Now she probably isn't knowing about camaras and such and would think she had to convince the guards as her only way to get in. Doesn't sound very promising. Could MJ, who we will assume has always known her name, have left her name with every guard that has ever worked for him and said, "If SHE ever comes, let me know immediately!!!" Well, MJ seems so, so private, I can't see him taking that risk of giving her name out to any Tom, Dick, or Harry that has been employed by him. Do you? Maybe...I dunno.

The next thing to bring up is the money factor. Now I can go to Neverland no problem for I live in Southern California, but what if it would involve a plane ticket for the LITD girl to come to California and visit Neverland. Or even LA. I was thinking about the 45th B-day celebration for Michael that Mystygrl brought up, and it was there that he made the announcement of making Neverland more accessible to fans (like AllForMJ mentioned); could he have been hoping that the LITD girl would come to that event? Was it very well announced in the fan community? Would she have known about it ahead of time? And it was held in LA, yes?

Not everyone can just hop on a plane when they wish to. Not everyone has that kind of funds available to them. And if she had things tight financially, would she be willing to go on what could end up being a "wild goose chase" even if she could scrape together the money? Or what if she had young children? Could she just push them onto a family member and announce that she is taking off with, money she probably shouldn't be spending, and flying to the LA area to finally meet Michael Jackson? Would they not look at her like she needed her head examined? Wouldn't she be opening herself up to lots of criticism from those who know her in her immediate circle of family and friends? I'm thinking, instead, that the LITD girl is the type that would be very slow to do something as impetious as this; I think she might be more level-headed than that, and not frivilous at all. Those are good traits.

So could Michael "get" this? Well, I would think....he is the one when driving around town if he saw someone homeless he would stop and bless them with money; he's the one when "pioneering" would go door to door in homes representing a variety of economic standing. He saw "real people" and knew that not everyone is made of money. He must be able, then, to understand, that his LITD girl might not be able to just drop everything and come to Neverland.

He needed her to help in this...okay, I really can see his side, and I hear his several pleas in his songs for her to please do that, like, Someone Put Your Hand Out, for example. And we know he was wanting her to "find" him way in the beginning, for in the song, Someone in the Dark, the lyrics say, "All alone wishing on stars
/Waiting for you to find me."

He seems to always had this view that it was not up to him, but up to her. But, it is possible she was one that ended up having the opposite view... it is not up to her, but up to him.

Impasse.

And so her coming to Neverland, never never happened.
 
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Lashi, your post contains many good points. I just wanted to add that LITD life could be no less difficult than MJ life. And I agree, her coming to Neverland never would happen imo.
 
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Lashi you're always welcome.:)
:wild: Another amazing post by you. I have a question. If the girl LITD hadn't means to come to MJ and if he knew she was his girl LITD why then he didn't tried to approach her subtly? It's obvious that he wouldn't knock on her door and saying, "I'm in love with you so come with me" but he could / would has the means to approach her or facilitate her coming to meet him at Neverland, or anywhere else. If he wanted he could, not? So why didn't he "facilitated" this meeting?

Originally Posted by Lashi
He seems to always had this view that it was not up to him, but up to her. But, it is possible she was one that ended up having the opposite view... it is not up to her, but up to him.

Impasse.
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That could be a possible answer. But I think when you're in love there aren't obstacles. Absolutely.
 
Lainy said:
Lashi you're always welcome.:)
If he wanted he could, not? So why didn't he "facilitated" this meeting?
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I'm not really sure...that's a hard question and I can see why you would ask this.

We have at times in this thread talked about at some point long ago he did try and somehow it didn't work...and as a result he felt he must have been wrong about his idea of what "you and me, together" might have meant afterall. Remember he talks about it being a lie (Can't Let Her Get Away) and "I never was, we never were," ( Who Is It.) We've talked about her never doing what was needed for explaining to him her side of things, for he talks about that in songs that she didn't even leave a letter... (Who Is It, If You Don't Love Me). And in the speedy adlibbing going on in Can't Let Her Get Away I hear him say,"I got the feeling she doesn't want to talk about it." So, it would seem at some point he felt he was coming against a brick wall, so, just like the lyrics say in Don't Walk Away, "When there is nothing left to do but walk away." He did. He thought he must.

But all this above has supported the possible reasons on why he didn't try to talk to her or see her...pre-2003 and One More Chance.

After One More Chance was released, and us thinking as we have so far in here that she did indeed "get" his message... and in some form came around so he could see she still cared (letter/s, or posts online, expressing how she felt or thought about things and him)...well, what was the reason after that for him to not seek her out? Especially if Mystygrl is on to something in her theory that starting around 2002, they were getting close through chatting online together somewhere.

One theory (well, actually, she had two, the other was that Sneddon and his dirty work got in the way) AllForMJ has suggested, and I've always thought it was a good one, and that is... that MJ, because he plainly needs to be so, so careful, wished for a time to "test" her.

Remember, we have always gotten the impression he never "knew" her in person, but saw her, and had some kind of connection with her, and felt God was behind it. But, he only really knew her through a spiritual connection. So when he wanted to move forward and begin a real life relationship with the LITD girl...he then wanted to use his head and, for one thing, do a background check, I would guess. And probably "watched" her when she didn't know it (this would mean getting close enough to her physically to be able to do that). Maybe snapped a photo or two to take back with him to admire her image later, haha(or had someone in his employ do it).

This part of my thinking always makes me think of Elton John's music video for Nikita. Starting at 3:46 to on to the end, you see Elton sitting at home in a chair looking at a screen switching through all these slides of the photos he had taken of her...just dreaming about her and longing for her...

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Remember in the song, If You Don't Love Me, he sings about looking at photos of "me and you"? He says, "I'm even kissin' on your photograph!"

But when it comes to evaluating character, it takes time, and one thing I feel I have picked up on about MJ, and I think you all probably have to, and that he is one very patient man! When he has a particular thing in mind, a goal, something he wants to achieve or get, he is willing to wait until the time is absolutely right!

There is a song I remember from years ago by Amy Grant called, "My Father's Eyes." Many things about MJ make me think he has his Father's Eyes, because his Abba Father is Jehovah God. And I recognize characteristics of God, who is my heavenly father, too, in Michael. And doesn't God always patiently wait for the absolute right timing to bring about things we are waiting for in our own lives? Michael's ability to do just that reminds me of God.

Maybe MJ was waiting for the go ahead from God for the right time to seek her out, and by the time June 25, 2009 came, he was still waiting patiently. :(

Lainy said:
That could be a possible answer. But I think when you're in love there aren't obstacles. Absolutely.
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Timing. It's not so much about obstacles as it is about timing.
 
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Lainy said:
Lashi you're always welcome.:)
:wild: Another amazing post by you. I have a question. If the girl LITD hadn't means to come to MJ and if he knew she was his girl LITD why then he didn't tried to approach her subtly? It's obvious that he wouldn't knock on her door and saying, "I'm in love with you so come with me" but he could / would has the means to approach her or facilitate her coming to meet him at Neverland, or anywhere else. If he wanted he could, not?
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Of course he would. -_- The possible and the impossible to reach her. When you truly love, there are no barriers that can prevent this love happen. -_- And probably we would have seen Michael married again, happy with his beloved and certainly he would have had many children. Sure.... But it did not happen..... :( :cry: *big sigh*



Lainy said:
So why didn't he "facilitated" this meeting?
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Why does she not exist. She is a woman imaginary that Michael created in your mind. -_- Well, "Theory Ash". lol!

Sorry, but I could not resist that joke. :D :tease::lol:

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Ashtanga said:
Why does she not exist. She is a woman imaginary that Michael created in your mind. -_- Well, "Theory Ash". lol!
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One more theory:

She was most certainly real, but she was transparent, therefore she was never able to be seen or photographed.

BTW, excellent posts there, Lashi! I loved the name queen g, but I also like this new name. It's very pretty ... and a little mysterious!

I will post a response to Lashi's posts a little later, as I am still trying to decode the secrets behind the songs, "Don't Walk Away" and "Fall Again."
 
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One more theory:

She was most certainly real, but she was transparent, therefore she was never able to be seen or photographed.
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Now she's sounding like a vampire if she isn't showing up in photographs or maybe mirrors! Oh wait, she is of the same phantom material as MJ's character in the Billie Jean short film. His reflection wasn't there right? *is now picturing MJ getting home after taking a roll of film (the old days) of his lady love only to click on the projector again and again with nothing ever showing up on the screen! What a disappointment for him, aww! Ya know, maybe his LITD girl would prefer it that way; maybe she isn't particularly photogenic anyway...*

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I loved the name queen g, but I also like this new name. It's very pretty ... and a little mysterious!
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Never really related to my last username...ever since someone thought the "g" stood for Gloria and apparently thought I'd self-assigned myself the regal title of queen in front of my own name. But my real name does not start with a "g" and I'd never do that!!!! That username had something to do with a fictional character's name and I chose it on a whim, very speedily. Glad this new name is mysterious...oOooooooo. It has a little more association to me. Pleased you think it's pretty. :)

I will post a response to Lashi's posts a little later, as I am still trying to decode the secrets behind the songs, "Don't Walk Away" and "Fall Again."
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I still need to do that as well, but I am so glad you are going to post some thoughts on those songs first, for I need a break and I am tired of my own voice...or my own words, or text, or posts....:D
 
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:lol: Ash let's imagine that she exists.

Lashi, I wholeheartedly agree that he needs to be careful and to "test" her for a time. But knowing the girl LITD he could to approach her, to know hers life history and on right time God would guide him. Michael could arrange a meeting with some friends and fans and include his girl LITD on the guest list, for example. This would be a way of him being around her and an opportunity to know her better I don't know, but I think he could many things.:unsure:

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She was most certainly real, but she was transparent, therefore she was never able to be seen or photographed.
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It means that she could be not famous, right?:scratch:

Yet if he really loved her he would know to use the means to have girl around. Michael is very intelligent and creative, he would know to act in a situation like that even being shy and careful.

Ow I'm enjoying this. lol

PS: Lashi, Nikita and You Gotta Love Someone are Elton John songs that I love. :wild:
 
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