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Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

Asedora said:
Hi there! :)

Oh, I am sure it was possible that she coud be a fan but his lyrics very often soud like she was not in my opinion.
She more likely was not even a celebrity . I am sure she knew about him (everybody knows Michael Jackson) but probably it would never cross her mind that MJ could be her boyfriend?
And yes, Michael opened Neverland for fans in 2003 maybe trying his best for her. I do not really remember what his former bodyguard said about "her or not her". Was it the guy from England, Uri Geller's friend?
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Hi there.

Not sure if they were friends. Just mentioning what he said because it falls right into place with what this thread is all about.

Additionally, if there wasn't something about MJ's demeanor that showed he had a love interest, this thread would have faded out back in 2008.
 
AllForMJ said:
Hi there.

Not sure if they were friends. Just mentioning what he said because it falls right into place with what this thread is all about.

Additionally, if there wasn't something about MJ's demeanor that showed he had a love interest, this thread would have faded out back in 2008.
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If that guy was from England you were talking about, yes him and Geller were friends. I came across this info many times when I was looking ito conspiracy stuff.

I think Michael's art is big mystery and there are many things to discuss still. Was he in love with somebody real? I cannot say YES for sure... .:)
 
AllForMJ said:
Don't forget, his former bodyguard said she is not famous. And then there is something that MJ said himself back in August of 2003.
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The super bodyguards - Michael Jackson Encyclopedia :smilerolleyes:




AllForMJ said:
Do you all remember this?
"We promise to make Neverland more accessible to the fans and to work something out so we can stay in touch."
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That means nothing. -_- He did it to be closer to the fans and give them the opportunity to visit Neverland and not for him being in contact with her (fan or not) and make things easier to get live their love affair. If he wanted to see her, surely he would break all the barriers to see it. Fact. Michael would not make things so explicitly for the world to see. After all, he always loved privacy. He would do things away from the eyes of the world. And in the end it all, is pure speculation because nobody knows the truth about all this..... only Michael knows and nobody else. -_-

Well, that's my opinion and maybe I'm not a fan normal to think this way. :fear:
 
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One person’s “fantasy” or “fan fiction” may be someone’s personal opinion but can lend to assisting others to think outside of the box because, in life, there exist many possibilities. The reason for my admiration of this thread is that it has highly attracted many MJ fans, bringing all nationalities together whether as observers or participants in the enjoyment of a loving musical genius.

 
queen g said:
That is an absolutely amazing observation. You catch on to so many things, AllForMJ, that I would think would pass most by. When one thinks about it, this here you mention, could really be key. :clapping:
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MJ was being very open about how he felt about her and what he wanted. He wasn't hiding it at all. It is right in the open for us to revisit.

He was saying some very sweet things to her, huh?
 
queen g said:
By the way, Asedora, I know you are very straight-forward and a very logical thinker. I understand that. :)
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I hope we are not going to discuss my persona here OK? :) It is a very little true about me anyways.
I was polite and I am polite most of times but I have my own opinion like everybody else in this thread. Can I? And do not really push my opinion to anybody. I always use words like "possibly", "more likely", "probably", "maybe" etc. Some ppl's posts indicate like they know everything what was going on in MJ private life from FACT and feels like they do not care about somebody else's opnion here. I hope you undertand what I mean.
 
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Ashtanga said:
The super bodyguards - Michael Jackson Encyclopedia :smilerolleyes:





:girl_whistle:


That means nothing. -_- He did it to be closer to the fans and give them the opportunity to visit Neverland and not for him being in contact with her (fan or not) and make things easier to get live their love affair. If he wanted to see her, surely he would break all the barriers to see it. Fact. Michael would not make things so explicitly for the world to see. After all, he always loved privacy. He would do things away from the eyes of the world. And in the end it all, is pure speculation because nobody knows the truth about all this..... only Michael knows and nobody else. -_-

Well, that's my opinion and maybe I'm not a fan normal to think this way. :fear:
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Hi Ashtanga.
 
Ashtanga said:
That means nothing. -_- He did it to be closer to the fans and give them the opportunity to visit Neverland and not for him being in contact with her and make things easier to get live their love affair. If he wanted to see her, surely he would break all the barriers to see it. Michael would not make things so explicitly for the world to see. After all, he always loved privacy. -_-

Well, that's my opinion and maybe I'm not a fan normal to think this way. :fear:
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Oh, silly, silly!...Ashtanga , this has nuttin' to do with being a "fan norml" or not. I can certainly see your reasoning here. I have always been very slow myself to think messages that MJ gave out to fans had anything to do with a female he was in love with.

But something about this that AllForMJ has posted, regarding Neverland, hit something in me immediately...like, yes, this could have been his way to reach out to her. Why? Because I do think it is possible that (like mystygrl suggested) he lost all contact info regarding her. In other words, he no longer knew where she physically was. But he knew "she" knew where he physically could be found, at Neverland. He needed her help here.

But I know, Ash, you do not beleive there was a LITD girl, so, of course, my support to AllForMJ's theory here will have little weight with you. It's cool. :)

Asedora, I thought your wording needed to be more friendly. That is my honest opinion. And I told you why I understood that at times your posts come off the way they do, because you are straight-forward with the way you present your ideas. Is saying that discussing one's persona? Being straight-forward can be a great thing; I respect that much more than someone beating around the bush or masking the truth with their clever rhetoric. In other words, I was not wishing to offend you at all. But when one is straight-forward, they often need to put out extra effort to watch their wording or leave some things unsaid, so not to offend anyone. Can you receive this from me, Asedora, or will you be offended by my saying this? Because I like you, and glad you're here. Can you feel that I do?
 
mystygrl said:
Hey, AllForMJ, seeing you always makes my day! :woohoo::jump::dancin::dancin::jump:
How are you, your family and friends? It’s been a long, long time and I do hope everything is well with you!

In fact, I remember it, like yesterday, when Michael spoke about making Neverland more accessible to his fans and working something out so “we” can stay in touch because I was there at his 45th Birthday Party on August 30, 2003. Recently, I shared some of the photos with others that I had taken on that day. It will be a special day that I will forever cherish! His birthday cake was breath-taking!

Also, I agree wholeheartedly with the fact that Sneddon was the key factor that sabotaged the plans that Michael was making for his career and love interest during that time.
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Hey mystygrl! Seeing you makes my day too!
:wild:

Lucky you!! Bet it was really fun being in the same room with the birthday boy!!

And thanks for asking about me, my family and friends! There's a lot going on right now, and a variety of things are overlapping *whipping brow*, but all is moving right along! Guess I can't ask for more than that. :lol:

God is good!
 
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queen g said:
Oh, silly, silly!...Ashtanga , this has nuttin' to do with being a "fan norml" or not. I can certainly see your reasoning here. I have always been very slow myself to think messages that MJ gave out to fans had anything to do with a female he was in love with.

But something about this that AllForMJ has posted, regarding Neverland, hit something in me immediately...like, yes, this could have been his way to reach out to her. Why? Because I do think it is possible that (like mystygrl suggested) he lost all contact info regarding her. In other words, he no longer knew where she physically was. But he knew "she" knew where he physically could be found, at Neverland. He needed her help here.

But I know, Ash, you do not beleive there was a LITD girl, so, of course, my support to AllForMJ's theory here will have little weight with you. It's cool. :)
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Seriously, I've come to a conclusion. -_- I guess I better be quiet and silent. :censored: You know, I'm on the opposite side of this whole thing. :unsure: :bugeyed :doh:

Sooooooooooooo...... >>>>>>>>> :shutup:
 
queen g said:
Asedora, I thought your wording needed to be more friendly. That is my honest opinion. And I told you why I understood that at times your posts come off the way they do, because you are straight-forward with the way you present your ideas. Is saying that discussing one's persona? Being straight-forward can be a great thing; I respect that much more than someone beating around the bush or masking the truth with their clever rhetoric. In other words, I was not wishing to offend you at all. But when one is straight-forward, they often need to put out extra effort to watch their wording or leave some things unsaid, so not to offend anyone. Can you receive this from me, Asedora, or will you be offended by my saying this? Because I like you, and glad you're here. Can you feel that I do?
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Could we please discuss such things in Private messages? We have this option, you know..:mello:. I want to keep this thread clean from not important things in order not to make mods work hard again.
And as I said I wish some posters will use words like "possible", "more likely" , "maybe" and such when they post their opinions obout MJ private life. It is a sensitive subject. I think it will be a good benifit to keep this discussion respectful to each other and to his memory as well cos we do not know anything for sure.

And... I love you too..:)


Seriously, I've come to a conclusion. I guess I better be quiet and silent. You know, I'm on the opposite side of this whole thing.

Sooooooooooooo...... >>>>>>>>>
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No worries. I am on your side and I did not change my opnion. Discussiong his lyrics was fun.:)
 
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Ashtanga said:
:girl_whistle:


Seriously, I've come to a conclusion. -_- I guess I better be quiet and silent. :censored: You know, I'm on the opposite side of this whole thing. :unsure: :bugeyed :doh:

Sooooooooooooo...... >>>>>>>>> :shutup:
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No, don't be quiet. And you are a fan normal. And that last smiley is great.

Asedora said:
Could we please discuss such things in Private messages? We have this option, you know..:mello:. I want to keep this thread clean from not important things in order not to make mods work hard again.
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But I think it was very important, or I would have not put out the effort to say anything regarding it. :hug:
 
queen g said:
But something about this that AllForMJ has posted, regarding Neverland, hit something in me immediately...like, yes, this could have been his way to reach out to her. Why? Because I do think it is possible that (like mystygrl suggested) he lost all contact info regarding her. In other words, he no longer knew where she physically was. But he knew "she" knew where he physically could be found, at Neverland. He needed her help here.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: Anything is possible but sounds impossibe in Michael's case to LOSE a contact with his soulmate so easy.... .:hysterical:

Ash, :huggy:
 
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Not that "WE" are/were very "BIG" Country music fans...however...THIS is certainly a "favorite" composition/Artist...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUCBQeKOJv8

On THAT note....

"Dedicated to Mr.Michael Jackson, HIS Family, Friends, Fans, and Admirers~~~Keep Helping to "Heal The World, WE Are The World, Knowledge IS Growth, Education IS The Key~~~"







God Bless Always and Forever~~~

As Always

:angel:

Breathtaking~~~"Dedicated to Prince Michael, Paris, and Blanket Michael Jackson~~~"






L.O.V.E Always

:angel:
 
Lorraine said:
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Ditto!:lol:

(Hey There, AllForMJ!:waving: I was just thinkin' about you the other day! Hey Asedora and mystygrl, also!:waving:)

queen g said:
... and everytime I see Justus' little "That's a wrap" I want to go "grrrrrrrrrrr!" *pulls out hair* I've never been able to see anything wrappy about it. I think TII is the most confusing song I've ever come across! Pretty, very pretty...but mucho tres confusing!
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Left too many "loose ends," eh?

queen g said:
Thank you, Lainy, and I love Kenny Loggins' (and my fav, Michael McDonald's) This Is It. And it has that ;) added advantage of everything.making.sense.to.me in it! :lol:
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This has become the battle of the dueling "This Is It"s! lol!



queen g said:
... However, it is my personal opinion when he had that conversation with Rabbi Shmuley about why he pushed himself so much in his career and that it was all about seeking Love...Schumley asked if it was to gain the love and acceptance of his father. Michael answered,

"Yes, my father, and...someone else."
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Interesting ...


queen g said:
... Am I correct in thinking the "Rabbi" tapes were recorded fairly close to when Invincible came out? Were they before 2002?

AllForMJ has felt that she observed a change in him in 2002, that led her to believe he had "hope" once again in regards to his LITD girl. So that would mean not too long after these "Rabbi" recordings, something happened to make him think he had a chance once again with the LITD girl. Hmm.

If so, I wonder what it was? Was it some spiritual/supernatural revelation? Did he have a dream about her? Well, I guess there are lyrics to support he dreamed about her quite a bit (we've mentioned them before in here). But did he have one specific dream from God, or a vision, that renewed his faith that God was going to bring her back into his life afterall?

He certainly tried once again to put "feelers" out in 2003...he released One More Chance.

Did that idea come after MJ had a spiritual experience that had to do with the LITD girl? Did he "see" her in a vision, after not seeing her for years? Was that enough for the old feelings to flood back?
Aww. :wub:
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I think it may have been something along those lines. Remember in the song, "Don't Walk Away" he sang a line that went:

"I close my eyes just to try and see you smile one more time. But it's been so long now all I do is cry ..."

Maybe one day he "closed his eyes" and saw her smile!


Asedora said:
... And as you said :

That’s right. This is how this lyrics make me feel. He even says in Invincible: “So tell me how does it seem that you ain’t checking on me?” (This line of Invincible lyrics has a mistake imo. It has to be “checking ON me” but not “checking FOR me” which makes a big difference. This is what I hear and I assume I hear it correct.)

This line sounds like she was not a fan from his point of view because obviously his fans were regularly “checking” on him lol ;). He even says "why are you not FEELING me?"
It gives me an impression again that he thinks that she was not a fan cos fans DEF felt him.;)
And also, it sounds imo that he did not meet her personally. This is why in Smuley book he calls her “someone else”.

Plus, timing is very important. He probably felt that at that time ( 1998-1999 I guess when the lyrics was written) she was going through some big changes in her private life and she had “somebody else who buys diamonds and pearls for her” .... Invincible lyrics is full of pain and emotions.... .Just my opinion.
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Depending on when the relationship began (we surmise in here that it could've been going on since the start of MJ's solo career or around that time), could the "big changes" in her life simply have been his moving on with his life without her (with other relationships, etc.)? Could she have perhaps been so heartbroken that she no longer wanted anything to do with MJ anymore? Maybe it made her "turn away" from him? He probably could sense this, being as sensitive as he was. He could probably feel something had changed somehow, but didn't fully understand why. I know that sounds like a strange thing for her to do, but intense pain can make you do some pretty strange things.

Asedora said:
If he appeared with the "glow of love" in 2002 what was the reason of recording "One more chance" then in November 2003 in New York studio? :mello: It does not make any sense if we follow the lyrics concept.
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Well, for one thing, wasn't that song written by R. Kelly? Maybe he was a little "late" in getting this song to MJ, but perhaps MJ thought it captured what he had felt so well, that he still wanted to record it? Or perhaps as queen g had implied, maybe he "felt" her presence around him again, but maybe the song was referring to a "physical" union or reunion?
 
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MysteriousPhoenix said:
Depending on when the relationship began (we surmise in here that it could've been going on since the start of MJ's solo career or around that time), could the "big changes" in her life simply have been his moving on with his life without her (with other relationships, etc.)? Could she have perhaps been so heartbroken that she no longer wanted anything to do with MJ anymore? Maybe it made her "turn away" from him? He probably could sense this, being as sensitive as he was. He could probably feel something had changed somehow, but didn't fully understand why. I know that sounds like a strange thing for her to do, but intense pain can make you do some pretty strange things.



Well, for one thing, wasn't that song written by R. Kelly? Maybe he was a little "late" in getting this song to MJ, but perhaps MJ thought it captured what he had felt so well, that he still wanted to record it? Or perhaps as queen g had implied, maybe he "felt" her presence around him again, but maybe the song was referring to a "physical" union or reunion?
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Hi MP :flowers:

Great observatins!

This is what I think just like you said: he FELT that somethin had changed (with her) but he did not know her yet, i assume. This is why the line says: "Why you are not checking on me?" (she did not pay attention to him yet?), "Why you are not feeling me?". When the invincible lyrics was written? In 1998 and relesed in 1999?

The second one what you and queen g were reffering to could be another possiblity. He maybe felt her presence in 2003 when "one more chance" was recorded. Possible...I guess... following the lyrics concept. This is a song of hope , I think. I am not sure about physical union or renunion (God knows!), but the lyrics indicates HOPE and feelings to her for sure :)
 
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Asedora said:
Hi MP :flowers:

Great observatins!

This is what I think just like you said: he FELT that somethin had changed (with her) but he did not know her yet, i assume. This is why the line says: "Why you are not checking on me?" (she did not pay attention to him yet?), "Why you are not feeling me?". When the invincible lyrics was written? In 1998 and relesed in 1999?

The second one what you and queen g were reffering to could be another possiblity. He maybe felt her presence in 2003 when "one more chance" was recorded. Possible...I guess... following the lyrics concept. This is a song of hope , I think. I am not sure about physical union or renunion (God knows!), but the lyrics indicates HOPE and feelings to her for sure :)
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Yes, in a nutshell: They seemed to have had a very deep spiritual connection to where, he at least, was always able to sense her nearby, whether she was there physically or not. But one day, he could no longer sense her (spiritual) presence (probably because she was heartbroken, so she "went away"), and then one day, he was able to sense her once again.

If you notice, the timeframe of him sensing her presense once again was AFTER Invincible was released. It seems that he may have scored big with his music and was able to win her heart back to himself again.

Even though he could sense that she was "back," I think the song, "One More Chance" was more of a confirmation of that fact and also him telling her of his plans: plans to find her, "make things right," and I think to also ask her to come into his life (physically) right away in order to help him through the impending storm that he must have sensed was right around the corner.
 
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Because it is a very important date for the Jews, for a moment, I leave the discussion of LITD girl, because I would like to wish a Happy and Sweet New Year for everyone. Not only for the Jews, because I believe that every good and pure heart will have his name inscribed in the Book of Life.
Shana Tova Umetuká

Hugs to all
 
Rubi said:
Because it is a very important date for the Jews, for a moment, I leave the discussion of LITD girl, because I would like to wish a Happy and Sweet New Year for everyone. Not only for the Jews, because I believe that every good and pure heart will have his name inscribed in the Book of Life.
Shana Tova Umetuká

Hugs to all
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Rubi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> :hug:



Rubi said:
Just a joke. I do not want mess up the discussion about the mysterious girl :)
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AllForMJ said:
Hey mystygrl! Seeing you makes my day too!
:wild:

Lucky you!! Bet it was really fun being in the same room with the birthday boy!!

And thanks for asking about me, my family and friends! There's a lot going on right now, and a variety of things are overlapping *whipping brow*, but all is moving right along! Guess I can't ask for more than that. :lol:

God is good!
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Ahhh, thanks so much! Indeed, thanks to one of MJ's Fan Club who provided excellent seats, at the time, I would never have had the privilege of attending his 45th Birthday. A lot of exciting things happened, apart from the party, which I will treasure within my heart! (By the way, of the many photos I had taken that day, I did capture his smile, which is, in my opinion, a Jackson signature)

In addition, when attending such events I have always enjoyed meeting his fans from around the world and this event, his 45th Birthday, was just another wonderful experience!!! I met a fan, on his birthday, and we have been friends, ever since. Memories to cherish!

I found a YouTube video, Parts 1 - 6, that you and others within this thread might enjoy, which was uploaded by one of the fan clubs attending who taped Michael's 45th Birthday appearance. Below starts with Part 1 and you can easily follow Parts 2 - 6. Enjoy!!!


Regarding your family, family is very important, which is why I most always am concerned about not only my relatives but the relatives of others. So, you are very welcome, AllForMJ, because I truly want your loved ones well and happy!!! And about having a lot of things "going on", believe me when I say I know how crazy life can get but, we deal with it and keep going.

Yes, we must keep going and keep the faith!!! :yes:
 
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After all is said and done I feel that there are people who tend to ignore the fact that Michael was a “human being”, a man with needs just like every other man and, on that note, had relationships, apart from the public eye, (females we are familiar with) and that not every romantic song he has written was based upon visions or dreams of an ideal partner in life.[/FONT]


I'm sure it was for me. :girl_whistle:

Guess what, Ashtanga? The comment I made was never directed toward you. I have met many fans at various MJ events, some who hold onto the belief that since Michael's past marriages he has been unattached. Do I blame them for feeling this way? Absolutely not!!! Everyone has the right to express what they believe. Besides, we ALL know that Michael has the "IT" factor. I was thinking that we need to produce a new song in contrast to the one entitled, "She Drives Me Wild" and call it, "HE Drives Me Wild"!!! :cheeky: Ahhh, yessssssss!!!! :yes:

I have nothing but love for you, Ashtanga; especially for MJ fans because I find something special and unique about them, in particularly, the ones I have met, personally. Michael's fans are special because the man we all love is special.

*Hugs*

 
AllForMJ said:
It looks like MJ was trying to make it easier for her to come to him, but Sneddon got in the way of everything. Sneddon caused MJ to instead go through that dreadful trial and also destroyed Neverland making it a place that MJ never wanted to return to.
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Gosh it makes me so :angry: still how sneddon had done what he did to mj.......it makes me wanna throw something at the window!

I really wish that we could turn back time and could warn mj :(
 
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