Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[8701girl]

Is it just me or does michael look as if hes been caught doing something he shouldnt have lol

 

[MysteriousPhoenix]

~ To give an example of perhaps what this concept is referring, the trailer of the film Ape was so blessed to be apart of recently has something like this going on in it. The main character is a teacher, which in itself is an admirable profession, however, this man seems to have a nagging feeling his life is to mean much more. To add to this he "sees"... a what? A vision? An apparition? of a young girl who seems to be calling out to him to come to her country and help her people.

I know a person in my own life who has shared something similar with me. She had a vision like this where an Native American appeared, standing in the same room she was sitting in and praying in. She asked him, "Who are you?" He was dressed like an Indian chief and he told her to help 'his people" and he told her his tribe. Then he was gone. She inquired of the Lord and He said (meaning she was given an impression), "I want you to intercede for these people." Within days she was somewhere and started a conversatiion with a man who was very americanized, dressed like we all do, but he told her he was from Native American descent. She asked him which tribe, and it was the same as the man in her vision. This young man explained to her the great need of his people at their reservation, they were in trouble, and asked her if she could get them help. And so it began, and God had shown her "ahead of time."

Was God's messenger to her a ghost? No. The Lord is very creative in the way He chooses to speak to His Children. And He distributes His gifts as He pleases, and this ability to see "in the spirit" in such a way, is but one of them.

So are you thinking, MP, that maybe Michael had this particular gifting from God?

I was reading the book of Acts last night, and I came across this passage:

Acts 16:9-10 (New Living Translation)


9 That night Paul had a vision: A man from Macedonia in northern Greece was standing there, pleading with him, “Come over to Macedonia and help us!” 10 So we decided to leave for Macedonia at once, having concluded that God was calling us to preach the Good News there.


For some reason I hadn't remembered reading this befrore. It immediately reminded me of what queen g wrote about God giving people visions of other people. Interesting ...

 

[Lisha]

I was reading the book of Acts last night, and I came across this passage:

Acts 16:9-10 (New Living Translation)


9 That night Paul had a vision: A man from Macedonia in northern Greece was standing there, pleading with him, “Come over to Macedonia and help us!” 10 So we decided to leave for Macedonia at once, having concluded that God was calling us to preach the Good News there.


For some reason I hadn't remembered reading this befrore. It immediately reminded me of what queen g wrote about God giving people visions of other people. Interesting ...

That's some nice Biblical backing there, MP, of those examples I gave. Thank you, and I'm glad it clicked for you while you were reading that particular scripture about Paul in Acts. In fact, the book of Acts has other examples of how God gets his plans across to his servants.

How does this connect us to MJ and the LITD girl? Well, we were exploring the possibility of God "getting His plans across" to MJ about the LITD girl. We asked, "Did God give him a vision of her or did God make her stand out to MJ in a supenatural way?"

Now in my examples above and in this one of yours, MP, involving Paul and the Macedonia region, it is not clear if those who are "seen" in the visions actually know that God is "contacting" that person on their behalf. I didn't get the impression from the person who told me her story, involving the Indian Reservation, that the chief was someone actually living, or that anyone on that Indian reservation had any idea that she existed before she actually talked with the young man from that reservation.

The question now is...if God showed MJ years ago a vision of the LITD girl and what she was to mean to him in his future (muse, love of his life, etc)...did God also give the LITD girl a head's up in some spiritual way? Would God tell them both concurrently?

Yes, it is possible. Here are some examples of this also in Acts.

It involves Paul, then known as Saul, and Ananias. Who was Paul at that time to Ananias? His absolute enemy! Saul was going around zealously persecuting the early church and anyone believing in Jesus...to the point of having them killed.

But Jesus, one day, put a stop to that by causing such a bright, blinding light to appear before Saul that he lost his sight in both eyes and had to be led away. That got his attention, he could do nothing more than "wait" on this Jesus to help him. One day while praying now to this Jesus, he is given a vision of a man named, Ananias, who would come to lay hands on him and restore his sight. Very "promising" vision for Paul, but what is going on at the other end of this? What about Ananias?

Well, the Lord gets through also to Ananias at the same time, and tells him to go to Saul. Now would Ananias be thrilled at THIS idea? No! Ananias is a Christian, and Saul is infamously known for having Christians killed. Ananias is naturally fearing for his life...he doesn't want to knock on Paul's door. But God explains that Saul/Paul is His chosen servant and soon the Christians will understand that God's choice was a good one, after they watch Paul change and all he does for God. Then... Ananias decides to obey (good choice, Ananias!) and it is all as God had said it would be.

A couple things here, first, yes, God can show both parties ahead of time (in some supenatural way) what He is going to do that involves both of them, so they will both be on board with what He is doing. And also, it seems it might deem even more necessary if what He is going to do and with whom, seems the more unbelievable.

Question, could there be something about the LITD girl that at first glance or second or third, lol, MJ might have thought...no way, this chick would not work for me! Or, would the LITD girl have had a little trouble believing "she" could ever work as the woman for MJ (I think we all could see an "everyday" girl wondering this)? Paul was the LAST choice of those early Christians, on who should become one of God's apostles. But God knew what He was going to do with and "in" Paul. Saul, who became Paul, was the absolute best choice.

Another thing that stands out to me about what happened with Paul, and in what manner God decided to communicate to him, was that even though Paul could no longer "see" with his physical eyes, God gave him a vision where he could "see" with his spiritual eyes. This shows there is a distinction between seeing in the natural and seeing in the spiritual, they are not dependant on each other, but very separate things. Paul must have been so amazed, since there he was despondant, not able to see a thing, yet he "sees" a pictue of what Ananias looks like. The Lord told Ananias this (Acts 9:11): "In a vision [Saul] has seen a man named Ananias come to him and place his hands on him to restore his sight." The funny thing is that when Ananias came, Saul could not confirm it was the man he "saw" in his vision until after his sight was returned, he knew the name as confirmation, but he was not able to see the face at first. He had to -wait- until after the miracle before having the confirmation that God indeed had shown him the face of Ananias beforehand in that vision. How incredible for him when his eyes were opened and he could see, and right there... looking at him... was that face! Interesting that God chose to do it in that way, in that order.

Question, was God creative in the way He chose to do things with MJ and his LITD girl? I wouldn't be surprised.

God also, in Acts, showed both Peter, and the Roman, Cornelius, what He was planning involving them, through supernatural ways, "concurrently." Just another example, of how God can tell two people at the same time His plan; read about their situation in Acts 10.

So maybe only MJ was in the know about the LITD girl being the one for him and "she" was clueless all along. Or maybe, (from MJ's perspective, haha) it seemed to take her forever to get with the program! Or, God told them both in some way, around the same time, so they both were always in the know...together.

God has all kinds of options open to Him...He could have done it in any number of ways. :heart:

 

[MysteriousPhoenix]

... The funny thing is that when Ananias came, Saul could not confirm it was the man he "saw" in his vision until after his sight was returned, he knew the name as confirmation, but he was not able to see the face at first. He had to -wait- until after the miracle before having the confirmation that God indeed had shown him the face of Ananias beforehand in that vision. How incredible for him when his eyes were opened and he could see, and right there... looking at him... was that face! Interesting that God chose to do it in that way, in that order.

Wow! Excellent (and very interesting) breakdown there, queen g!

You talk above about Paul's need for a confirmation through a miracle to know for sure that the person standing before him was the actual person in his vision. I would think this would also be important for both MJ and his LITD. As we mentioned before, there had always been too many choices out there for MJ. And in her position, well, like you just said, it would be necessary because of how "unbelieveable" it would all seem (to her).

I still am unsure if a vision would have been necessary for "her," since he was always all over the place already as it was; I would think seeing a vision of him would be a little redundant or something. To me it also confirms that she is not famous herself, otherwise why would he need a vision; he'd be seein' her all the time. I would think in her case, God would probably have to try something else. I would think it would also be trickier in her case 'cause how would she get her "confirmation" - unless he practically showed up at her door or something.

 

[8701girl]

So maybe only MJ was in the know about the LITD girl being the one for him and "she" was clueless all along. Or maybe, (from MJ's perspective, haha) it seemed to take her forever to get with the program! Or, God told them both in some way, around the same time, so they both were always in the know...together

That all seems very logical

 

[Lisha]

BTW, I really liked this particular pic. Mind if I use it as my new siggy sometime? Makes me wanna reach out and give him a hug!

This pic is very cute! I think what really gives it its charm is that the top hat propped on his head is collapsing on one side! Where is he? At the Salvation Army? That hat would definitely be a really good deal! :lol: Thanks for posting it, Shabuya.

and this here:

...He had to -wait- until after the miracle before having the confirmation that God indeed had shown him the face of Ananias beforehand in that vision. How incredible for him when his eyes were opened and he could see, and right there... looking at him... was that face! ...

You quoting that paragraph from my post, MP, caused me to reread it and as I read the bolded section above, something that Justus had posted long ago, regarding the song, This Is It, came suddenly into my mind. Here's what Justus had to say:

This song is, indeed, an explanation of sorts. He tells he feels he's seen her face a thousand times, that he's known her for a thousand years. Some things he just wasn't understanding, and the confusion is evident in the song. You see, he is making YOU ALL feel HIS confusion over the matter, bringing YOU there with him in his emotions. There is a realization, omg the one I've been looking for, my TRUE soulmate, was the one who was "there" simply forever, as long as I can remember. And now, I know she is REAL.

(Bolded parts are my doing)

There is a worship song I know that has the lyrics, "open my understanding." I thought that was a strange way to say something...I mean, I'm much more used to the arrangement of words to be like, "open my eyes"...but open one's "understanding"? I had to let that soak in a little bit.

Well, is it that when God opens our understanding, it is as if our eyes have first been closed (due to such things as confusion and lack of clarity) and then He opens our eyes to see the very thing we couldn't. Is that what Justus is describing above as to what might have gone on with MJ about his LITD girl? What might have kept him then from fully "seeing" or "understanding"? Was this part of the delay for them getting together long before that song even came out? We've often asked ourselves in here, what was the hold-up? And what did it finally take for God to finally be able to "open MJ's understanding?" Did that occur not that long before he left us? Was MJ working on that song to communicate some of this in the last few months of his life and that song was never found in "a box" like was stated, but it was very planned by MJ to rework that song and have it ready for the tour? Unusual things for him to want communicated in a song he wishes to perform special for a tour.

Was it that important to him for the LITD girl to understand the "hold-up" had to do with not having his full understanding "opened" by God yet?

I still am unsure if a vision would have been necessary for "her," since he was always all over the place already as it was; I would think seeing a vision of him would be a little redundant or something. To me it also confirms that she is not famous herself, otherwise why would he need a vision; he'd be seein' her all the time. I would think in her case, God would probably have to try something else. I would think it would also be trickier in her case 'cause how would she get her "confirmation" - unless he practically showed up at her door or something.

But do you think, MP, it is possible that God gave her some kind of a heads up that MJ was the one for "her" through some supernatural communication? A dream from Him (if not a vision) maybe? Do you think "she" saw MJ in person (remember, many songs say "met" like "when I met ya") and God did something that was unusual to get her to know...that HE, God, was in this? Or, again, was it only MJ that as getting all the messages...maybe because, he is the one more gifted by God in that way? Maybe MJ has always been more attuned to God than her. Could be.

One thing to consider is when Paul was "waiting" on God to bring him help so he could once again see, God no doubt used that time to bring some spiritual depth and understanding to Paul. During the times we lack clarity and can't see the light at the end of the tunnel, is when God does some of his deepest works in us, and usually the result is that we are willing to now (if we were't before) be lined up with God's will. Saul, the man who was a danger to Christians, was the man who couldn't see; and Paul, a new man, was who he became during that time of blindness, so when Ananias came, and Paul's sight was returned...he was now ready to do God's will.

Similarly with Jonah. He resisted God's will, and because of it, he spent three days in the dark depths of a whale's belly. He probalby couldn't see much either in that deep darkness. Jonah had plenty of time to reflect (just like Paul), and by the time that giant fish spit him out...he was a man ready to do God's will.

Was something like this going on with MJ? Was there a period where he resisted believing the LITD girl was really "the one" and during that time his eyes were closed and the confusion came in? But during that time maybe God did a work in his heart and brought him to a place to... want to communicate some things to the LITD girl? Was the song This Is It (and the explaining that is going on in it)a gift from God to the LITD girl, so she could understand some things before MJ left for good? Was God considering her?

The timing seems interesting to me.

 

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Another brilliant post by the queen!

... and this here:


You quoting that paragraph from my post, MP, caused me to reread it and as I read the bolded section above, something that Justus had posted long ago, regarding the song, This Is It, came suddenly into my mind. Here's what Justus had to say:


... Well, is it that when God opens our understanding, it is as if our eyes have first been closed (due to such things as confusion and lack of clarity) and then He opens our eyes to see the very thing we couldn't. Is that what Justus is describing above as to what might have gone on with MJ about his LITD girl? What might have kept him then from fully "seeing" or "understanding"? Was this part of the delay for them getting together long before that song even came out? We've often asked ourselves in here, what was the hold-up? And what did it finally take for God to finally be able to "open MJ's understanding?" Did that occur not that long before he left us? Was MJ working on that song to communicate some of this in the last few months of his life and that song was never found in "a box" like was stated, but it was very planned by MJ to rework that song and have it ready for the tour? Unusual things for him to want communicated in a song he wishes to perform special for a tour.

Was it that important to him for the LITD girl to understand the "hold-up" had to do with not having his full understanding "opened" by God yet?



But do you think, MP, it is possible that God gave her some kind of a heads up that MJ was the one for "her" through some supernatural communication? A dream from Him (if not a vision) maybe? Do you think "she" saw MJ in person (remember, many songs say "met" like "when I met ya") and God did something that was unusual to get her to know...that HE, God, was in this? Or, again, was it only MJ that as getting all the messages...maybe because, he is the one more gifted by God in that way? Maybe MJ has always been more attuned to God than her. Could be.


... Was something like this going on with MJ? Was there a period where he resisted believing the LITD girl was really "the one" and during that time his eyes were closed and the confusion came in? But during that time maybe God did a work in his heart and brought him to a place to... want to communicate some things to the LITD girl? Was the song This Is It (and the explaining that is going on in it)a gift from God to the LITD girl, so she could understand some things before MJ left for good? Was God considering her?

The timing seems interesting to me.

I guess "This Is It" really IS a great culminating song for the relationship (even though it was written long ago - long before the "eyes of MJ's understanding" were actually opened). It seems as though he was being "prophetic" there and singing something that wasn't gonna have any relevance 'till many years later.

However, it does sum up things rather nicely ... or as Justus so eloquently put it:

"4 words: 'That's a wrap, everybody!'" :cheeky:

 

[Lainy]

I regret to be out this thread for some days. I really liked everything that I saw here, pics, songs... I can't believe I lost all this.

Queen G, that incredible post! I have nothing to add but I keep watching this good work.

"You think that maybe it's over, only if you want it to be." ( This is It - Kenny Loggins) I loved it.

 

[Asedora]

Hello ladies! :flowers:
I enjoyed very much reading your incredible posts today. I do not come too often here but I do not mind to read time to time. Queen G , your theory sounds beautiful and I think it does make sense everything what you just said. Michael was a very spiritual person and his lyrics and music were written in Space like he said himself once in his interview. Timing I think is very important if we are talking about some sort of supernatural connection..
I believe that God was taking care of him and his LITD girl ( if she really exists). I just wanted to add that she maybe even was not his fan? Otherwise why he would keep trying to find her so hard for so many years calling her even Invincible? Sometimes the lyrics speaks better than anything else imo. It seems like it was hard for him to find her.... . Just saying… .

 

[8701girl]

This pic is very cute! I think what really gives it its charm is that the top hat propped on his head is collapsing on one side! Where is he? At the Salvation Army? That hat would definitely be a really good deal! :lol: Thanks for posting it, Shabuya

Well did mj say in the PHM that he liked 2 snoop around the salvation army place! :lol:, i guess that what hes been caught doing hahaha

 

[Lisha]

... or as Justus so eloquently put it:

"4 words: 'That's a wrap, everybody!'" :cheeky:

I'm glad you liked my post, MP, and everytime I see Justus' little "That's a wrap" I want to go "grrrrrrrrrrr!" *pulls out hair* I've never been able to see anything wrappy about it. I think TII is the most confusing song I've ever come across! Pretty, very pretty...but mucho tres confusing!

I regret to be out this thread for some days. I really liked everything that I saw here, pics, songs... I can't believe I lost all this.

Queen G, that incredible post! I have nothing to add but I keep watching this good work.

"You think that maybe it's over, only if you want it to be." ( This is It - Kenny Loggins) I loved it.

Thank you, Lainy, and I love Kenny Loggins' (and my fav, Michael McDonald's) This Is It. And it has that added advantage of everything.making.sense.to.me in it! :lol:

Well did mj say in the PHM that he liked 2 snoop around the salvation army place! :lol:, i guess that what hes been caught doing hahaha

Hello ladies! :flowers:
I enjoyed very much reading your incredible posts today. I do not come too often here but I do not mind to read time to time. Queen G , your theory sounds beautiful and I think it does make sense everything what you just said. Michael was a very spiritual person and his lyrics and music were written in Space like he said himself once in his interview. Timing I think is very important if we are talking about some sort of supernatural connection..
I believe that God was taking care of him and his LITD girl ( if she really exists). I just wanted to add that she maybe even was not his fan?Otherwise why he would keep trying to find her so hard for so many years calling her even Invincible? Sometimes the lyrics speaks better than anything else imo. It seems like it was hard for him to find her.... . Just saying… .

Hello, Asedora. How ya doin'?

Hmm, was she a fan? I think you have a point that MJ through his lyrics could make you think "he" thinks she's not one of his biggest fans. This line from the song, Invincible, could get you there:

But girl you just won't approve of the things that I do When all I do is for you but still you say it ain't cool

I know it's come up in here before that the person MJ was meaning when he replies to Oprah's question back then in '93, "Have you ever been in love?" was the LITD girl. For some reason I never thought he was meaning her. His response, of course, was "Brooke...and another girl."

However, it is my personal opinion when he had that conversation with Rabbi Shmuley about why he pushed himself so much in his career and that it was all about seeking Love...Schumley asked if it was to gain the love and acceptance of his father. Michael answered,

"Yes, my father, and...someone else."

I believe that it makes sense that the someone else that he is referring to here...is the LITD girl.

From his perspective, it seems, he couldn't do "anything" right in her eyes! How he got this impression, or how he learned she wasn't being impressed with him or wasn't approving the very things he hoped would "wow" her...I have no idea. We have nothing to go on.

So either she wasn't ever a fan of his, or, she was for awhile there, at first maybe, and something made him think that all changed.

Am I correct in thinking the "Rabbi" tapes were recorded fairly close to when Invincible came out? Were they before 2002?

AllForMJ has felt that she observed a change in him in 2002, that led her to believe he had "hope" once again in regards to his LITD girl. So that would mean not too long after these "Rabbi" recordings, something happened to make him think he had a chance once again with the LITD girl. Hmm.

If so, I wonder what it was? Was it some spiritual/supernatural revelation? Did he have a dream about her? Well, I guess there are lyrics to support he dreamed about her quite a bit (we've mentioned them before in here). But did he have one specific dream from God, or a vision, that renewed his faith that God was going to bring her back into his life afterall?

He certainly tried once again to put "feelers" out in 2003...he released One More Chance.

Did that idea come after MJ had a spiritual experience that had to do with the LITD girl? Did he "see" her in a vision, after not seeing her for years? Was that enough for the old feelings to flood back?
Aww. :wub:

(come to think of it, I wonder what she was wearing in that vision, she must have looked hot!! lol.)

 

[Ashtanga]

Am I correct in thinking the "Rabbi" tapes were recorded fairly close to when Invincible came out? Were they before 2002?

In 2000-2001, Michael Jackson sat down with his close friend and spiritual guide, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach...........

http://www.amazon.com/The-Michael-Jackson-Tapes-ebook/dp/B002Q181ZC

 

[8701girl]

AllForMJ has felt that she observed a change in him in 2002, that led her to believe he had "hope" once again in regards to his LITD girl. So that would mean not too long after these "Rabbi" recordings, something happened to make him think he had a chance once again with the LITD girl. Hmm.

I observed that same feeling bout michael but bck in 2001, he seemed i dont know like he was nearly bck to his old self again. I think with the release of invincible ( this was b4 the whole tommy mottla protest thingy) he seemed sure that his music was gonna be bck at top again and was happy again.


But then that whole bashit started and he was again.

 

[Asedora]

Hello, Asedora. How ya doin'?

Hmm, was she a fan? I think you have a point that MJ through his lyrics could make you think "he" thinks she's not one of his biggest fans. This line from the song, Invincible, could get you there:

But girl you just won't approve of the things that I do When all I do is for you but still you say it ain't cool

I know it's come up in here before that the person MJ was meaning when he replies to Oprah's question back then in '93, "Have you ever been in love?" was the LITD girl. For some reason I never thought he was meaning her. His response, of course, was "Brooke...and another girl."

However, it is my personal opinion when he had that conversation with Rabbi Shmuley about why he pushed himself so much in his career and that it was all about seeking Love...Schumley asked if it was to gain the love and acceptance of his father. Michael answered,

"Yes, my father, and...someone else."

I believe that it makes sense that the someone else that he is referring to here...is the LITD girl.

From his perspective, it seems, he couldn't do "anything" right in her eyes! How he got this impression, or how he learned she wasn't being impressed with him or wasn't approving the very things he hoped would "wow" her...I have no idea. We have nothing to go on.

So either she wasn't ever a fan of his, or, she was for awhile there, at first maybe, and something made him think that all changed.

Am I correct in thinking the "Rabbi" tapes were recorded fairly close to when Invincible came out? Were they before 2002?

AllForMJ has felt that she observed a change in him in 2002, that led her to believe he had "hope" once again in regards to his LITD girl. So that would mean not too long after these "Rabbi" recordings, something happened to make him think he had a chance once again with the LITD girl. Hmm.

If so, I wonder what it was? Was it some spiritual/supernatural revelation? Did he have a dream about her? Well, I guess there are lyrics to support he dreamed about her quite a bit (we've mentioned them before in here). But did he have one specific dream from God, or a vision, that renewed his faith that God was going to bring her back into his life afterall?

He certainly tried once again to put "feelers" out in 2003...he released One More Chance.

Did that idea come after MJ had a spiritual experience that had to do with the LITD girl? Did he "see" her in a vision, after not seeing her for years? Was that enough for the old feelings to flood back?
Aww. :wub:

(come to think of it, I wonder what she was wearing in that vision, she must have looked hot!! lol.)

Hi Queen G, what a great post again! I am trying to be OK. Thank you for asking.

I want to add just one more thing here. The fact is that ppl like Michael Jackson do not come to this planet too often and IF they came and share such an incredible talent with this world, it means they have a mission and a very special purpose. His mission was to share love and teach ppl HOW to love.

He even said it himself in one of his interviews. He applied to ppl’s inner feelings and in return he got a lot of love from them. What a great lesson for everybody!
Besides, he had a purpose to find his LITD girl and he did anything for that manifesting his inner feelings trough his art. God gave him that incredible talent and the situation was in God’ hands since the beginning.

And as you said :

Hmm, was she a fan? I think you have a point that MJ through his lyrics could make you think "he" thinks she's not one of his biggest fans. This line from the song, Invincible, could get you there:

But girl you just won't approve of the things that I do When all I do is for you but still you say it ain't cool

That’s right. This is how this lyrics make me feel. He even says in Invincible: “So tell me how does it seem that you ain’t checking on me?” (This line of Invincible lyrics has a mistake imo. It has to be “checking ON me” but not “checking FOR me” which makes a big difference. This is what I hear and I assume I hear it correct.)

This line sounds like she was not a fan from his point of view because obviously his fans were regularly “checking” on him lol . He even says "why are you not FEELING me?"
It gives me an impression again that he thinks that she was not a fan cos fans DEF felt him.
And also, it sounds imo that he did not meet her personally. This is why in Smuley book he calls her “someone else”.

Plus, timing is very important. He probably felt that at that time ( 1998-1999 I guess when the lyrics was written) she was going through some big changes in her private life and she had “somebody else who buys diamonds and pearls for her” .... Invincible lyrics is full of pain and emotions.... .Just my opinion.

 

[mystygrl]

Hi People,

 

[Ashtanga]

Hey.... >>>>>>>> :hug:

Hi People,

 

[Asedora]

First of all, I strongly agree with AllForMJ that Michael’s demeanor changed around 2002 where he appeared to have this “glow of love”. .

If he appeared with the "glow of love" in 2002 what was the reason of recording "One more chance" then in November 2003 in New York studio? :mello: It does not make any sense if we follow the lyrics concept.
In December 2003 or January 2004 (I cannot remember) he was arrested and this nightmare finished only in 2005. It does not add up. Then 2 or 3 years of his life he spent in Bahrain and sometime in Ireland. And right after he started TII show preparations. Just saying... .
And why he would "lose touch" with that LITD girl if he met her in the chat room as you said? He was begging and asking God to give him that girl and then he gave up or she was not sure about him anymore? And how often regular ppl find each other in chat rooms? Not that often in my opinion and it would not be that simple in MJ case. Besides there are many crazy things are going on the net and I believe MJ was aware of it. Would you trust smebody that fast who sends you nice PMs' and pictures? :mello: Michael was not a naive person ... So, I do not believe in such theory but it's nice to have a difference of opinions ... .

 

[8701girl]

What this bout mj possibly meeting his LITD girl in a chat room?? :blink:

 

[Lisha]

In 2000-2001, Michael Jackson sat down with his close friend and spiritual guide, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach...........

:wild: Great job, Ash! Thanks for finding that info.

But then that whole bashit started and he was again.

He was sad about that whole documentary, very true, but it was after that when he seemed to go back to operation-get-that-girl, for in the fall of that year he had already released Number One's which included One More Chance, and he was working on a special music video for that song. And during the filming of THAT is when his turned into a , and operation-get-that-girl seemed to come to a halt.

...And also, it sounds imo that he did not meet her personally. This is why in Smuley book he calls her “someone else”.

Referring to her as "someone else" might be for no other reason than to keep her privacy, which is, I assume, the same reason he said "another girl" in response to Oprah...to keep that name private as well. Not sure it has to indicate they never actually met.

Plus, timing is very important. He probably felt that at that time ( 1998-1999 I guess when the lyrics was written) she was going through some big changes in her private life and she had “somebody else who buys diamonds and pearls for her” .... Invincible lyrics is full of pain and emotions.... .Just my opinion.

Another possibility is he knew of a guy being in the picture a while back and had no idea if she was still with the guy or not; but just in case she was still, he included the "somebody else" bit. Remember he begins the lines with "if." So he doesn't know for sure. What if around that time she's done with the guy...and talk about timing being important, in 1999, he is now free as well...he just went through his divorce. Maybe she(if there is a "she") was now once again turning her thoughts back towards him, and that is what was causing him to start thinking about her again. Or, like we have been saying, he had a dream or vision about her at that time. Maybe she was having a dream about him, too, at the same time, and so she was finally checking on him again; but he didn't know. He just knew he was feeling a pull towards her again.

Hi People,

 

[mystygrl]

In 2002, Michael was experiencing a lot of troubles (some are listed below):

 

[mystygrl]

:jump::jump::jump::jump::jump: Hey, queen g I am beyond myself with joy on seeing you, again!!! Awww, thanks for the compliments it is greatly appreciated!!! I hope all has been well with you and your loved ones.

Moving along I strongly feel that the reason why Michael responded that he had not "found" that special someone as of yet had to do with his experience with the media and paparazzi harassing him throughout his life; he just wanted to keep something special for himself, protect her as he had been doing with his children to the best of his ability. Would he ever had shared his love interest, the LITD, publicly? Of course, he would have because Michael is all about love and a romantic and very frisky as we hear such emotions expressed through his songs. So, when he felt the time was right I believe he would have revealed her because true love, in my opinion, is something that should not be hidden but presented so that others can witness the love and joy two people have for each other.

Also, Michael loves, loves, loves his fans tremendously from the bottom of his heart and I am sure he would have been concerned how his relationship with his LITD would affect his female fans.

Yes, timing for him was everything! Thus, he was actually telling Bashir, "it is none of your business and when I am ready you and the world will know about my lover". And, rightfully so. We, as humans, are always entitled to our privacy.

Now that I am stating this "privacy" Michael's song, "Privacy" came to my mind where he sings,

"I need my privacy, I need my privacy,
So paparazzi, get away from me".

Can you blame him? I THINK NOT!!!

And, YESSSSSSSSS, I miss him tremendously. I was melancholy on his birthday and kept sobbing throughout the entire day.

I wish to write:

Dear Michael, you will forever be in my heart, be apart of my soul and my mind; my entire being and I will always love you, even if I should take my last breath, the love I have for you will continue because from the bottom of my heart my love for you will never end.

With All Of My Love,

 

[8701girl]

He was sad about that whole documentary, very true, but it was after that when he seemed to go back to operation-get-that-girl, for in the fall of that year he had already released Number One's which included One More Chance, and he was working on a special music video for that song. And during the filming of THAT is when his turned into a , and operation-get-that-girl seemed to come to a halt.]


Yeh wasnt it while shooting the vid for "one more chance" he found out bout the allegations?




[FONT=border=]I do see, also, what Asedora is meaning about the time frame. It seems maybe his online interaction with "her" must not have started until after the One More Chance song came out, if we go by the lyrics which imply he's looking for her and has not found her yet. Remember his answer to Bashir earlier that same year (2003) "I haven't found one yet" when asked if there was someone special in his life. So if he was chattin' up a storm with her in a chatroom in 2002, I think we would be able to say he already had found her. But it doesn't seem he had as of yet. Maybe the chatroom chit-chat and PMs, like you say, started after One More Chance. Maybe that song brought her to the chatroom, or somewhere to try to get close to him][/FONT]

[FONT=border=]Would have been nice to think he found his girl in that chatroom [/FONT]




[FONT=border=]By the way, I really miss Michael. I miss seeing him around. Don't you all? ][/FONT]

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[Sdeidjs]

Good Morning Ladies & Gents,

First and foremost; I must say intriguing reflective thoughts...Impressive~~~

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On That note:

A "nearest and dearest friend" once told me to continue to always "look out side the box" even when society thinks you are different, weird, bizarre, and/or a freak. No matter how long it takes, any trials or tribulations you may face...Keep going after your many hopes and dreams and one day they "WILL" become a reality~~~

Predicting the Future
By John H. Sklare, Ed.D, Lifescript

I was talking to a friend the other day when the phrase “thinking outside the box” came up. I’m sure most of you have heard or used that phrase at some time in your life. For those who are unfamiliar, however, the phrase “thinking outside the box” is a euphemism for considering options unthinkable before. When I was in private practice, I used to offer a little riddle to my patients to demonstrate this point. In the spirit of helping you to think outside the box, I offer it to you today.

Now I want you to imagine that you are sitting in a 12 x 12 room with one door and no windows. I want you to further imagine that you are sitting in a chair that is against the wall that is directly opposite the wall with the door. As you sit there, you are asked to exit the room by taking the shortest route. What do you do?

The typical answer to this question is to stand up and walk directly to the door opposite you and exit, which, on the surface, appears to be the only way out. However, the truth is that the shortest way out of that room is to go through the wall behind you. However, since you hold the belief that you “can’t” walk through walls, you don’t even try that route. Now, of course you can’t walk through walls but here’s the point. You tend to not even consider actions that you don’t believe are possible for you. Are you beginning to see where I’m going here? Your beliefs have a tremendous influence on your behavior. And once you box yourself into one specific mindset, you become oblivious to other options also available to you at the time.

The shortest way out of the room challenge was a real eye opener for many of my patients. Even though the shortest way out of the room is to walk through the wall behind you, you don’t even consider that option because you “know” that you can’t do that. There lies the power of thought. Why not make today the day you start thinking outside the box?

Wishing You Great Health,
Dr. John H. Sklare

As Always

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[Lorraine]

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[Ashtanga]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm :cheers:

I'll never change my opinion about it, because I really do not believe in LITD. -_- :fear:

But the point is that everyone can continue digging tirelessly on this in the songs of Michael. The fact is that nobody will ever know the reality of it all (only Michael knows). The mysteries and secrets of Michael are indecipherable, and therefore can never be discovered. -_- :fortuneteller: And when the new album is released, the work here will be hard.

And do not throw stones at me! :lol: :fear:

Well, I'll continue observing this thread.... >>>

 

[Asedora]

[When Bashir questioned him about having someone special we know that he responded in the negative. Well frankly, let’s be honest, it was NOBODY’S business about his love life and what may have been happening between him and his LITD regarding their relationship. Besides, I believe her to be a fan, not a celebrity.
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I am sorry but your message makes no sense to me. You based your opinion only on your own assumptions ignoring MJ OWN words from bashir's interview and ignoring the fact that he recorded "One more chance" in November 2003. I even do not know how to comment your message because it does not fit any logical clues we were trying to make, based on his lyrics and some FACTS we know.
You are free to believe anything you want but this is not what we were trying to discover here digging into his lyrics and other things. Your post sounds like a nice fantasy to me.. Like a fan fiction... . I am not saying it is bad, it was interesting to read still Thank you for posting.

 

[Asedora]

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Referring to her as "someone else" might be for no other reason than to keep her privacy, which is, I assume, the same reason he said "another girl" in response to Oprah...to keep that name private as well. Not sure it has to indicate they never actually met.

Well it is possible. It could mean both I think. But because Shmuley taped him in 2001 and Bashir's interview was done in 2002-2003 logicaly thinking "someone else" means he did not know her yet. As I said the time frame is very important imo.

Another possibility is he knew of a guy being in the picture a while back and had no idea if she was still with the guy or not; but just in case she was still, he included the "somebody else" bit. Remember he begins the lines with "if." So he doesn't know for sure. What if around that time she's done with the guy...and talk about timing being important, in 1999, he is now free as well...he just went through his divorce. Maybe she(if there is a "she") was now once again turning her thoughts back towards him, and that is what was causing him to start thinking about her again. Or, like we have been saying, he had a dream or vision about her at that time. Maybe she was having a dream about him, too, at the same time, and so she was finally checking on him again; but he didn't know. He just knew he was feeling a pull towards her again.

Anything is possible but I think assuming that he did not know her yet (thinking about Bashir's interview once again) he just felt that she had somebody in her life. He felt her but she did not feel him from invincible lyrics. This is how maybe this lyrics was born. Michael had this connection with divine and this is how he created his art. He just felt her and God gave him this talent to feel and create what regular human being would not able to do. Just my opinion... .

[FONT=border=]I do see, also, what Asedora is meaning about the time frame. It seems maybe his online interaction with "her" must not have started until after the One More Chance song came out, if we go by the lyrics which imply he's looking for her and has not found her yet. Remember his answer to Bashir earlier that same year (2003) "I haven't found one yet" when asked if there was someone special in his life. So if he was chattin' up a storm with her in a chatroom in 2002, I think we would be able to say he already had found her. But it doesn't seem he had as of yet. Maybe the chatroom chit-chat and PMs, like you say, started after One More Chance. Maybe that song brought her to the chatroom, or somewhere to try to get close to him.

So I am back to thinking what brought about the happier demeaner you and AllForMJ were seeing in 2002, might have been a renewed "hope." And at that time, then, he stepped up the prayers with new vigor, for God to bring them together and give them one more chance. :heart:

By the way, I really miss Michael. I miss seeing him around. Don't you all? [/FONT]

Great post! I agree with you 100%. He also could look happy in 2002 because his son Blanket was born and it was a great time for him. New born babies bring that special positive energy in ppl's lives. I know that because I have my own expirience.

And like Ash said, we will have a lot more work to do here when the new album will come out in November

 

[AllForMJ]

There is a very good possibility that MJ did fall in love with a fan. Don't forget, his former bodyguard said she is not famous. And then there is something that MJ said himself back in August of 2003.

Do you all remember this?

"We promise to make Neverland more accessible to the fans and to work something out so we can stay in touch."

It looks like MJ was trying to make it easier for her to come to him, but Sneddon got in the way of everything. Sneddon caused MJ to instead go through that dreadful trial and also destroyed Neverland making it a place that MJ never wanted to return to.

Also, FYI, MJ made an announcement in October 2003, that the new single for the "Number Ones" CD was going to be "One More Chance."

Never underestimate the strength of a man that is in love. He will push his way through a storm to get to a woman that he wants. They get like that when their minds are made up.
:yes:

 

[Asedora]

There is a very good possibility that MJ did fall in love with a fan. Don't forget, his former bodyguard said she is not famous. And then there is something that MJ said himself back in mid-2003.

Do you all remember this?

"We promise to make Neverland more accessible to the fans and to work something out so we can stay in touch."

It looks like MJ was trying to make it easier for her to come to him, but Sneddon got in the way of everything. Sneddon caused MJ to instead go through that treadful trial and also destroyed Neverland making it a place that MJ never wanted to return to.

Hi there!

Oh, I am sure it was possible that she coud be a fan but his lyrics very often souds like she was not. Just saying...
She more likely was not even a celebrity . I am sure she knew about him (everybody knows Michael Jackson! lol) but probably it would never cross her mind that MJ could be her boyfriend?
And yes, Michael opened Neverland for fans in 2003 maybe trying his best for her. I do not really remember what his former bodyguard said about "her or not her". Was it the guy from England, Uri Geller's friend?

 

[Lisha]

Do you all remember this?

"We promise to make Neverland more accessible to the fans and to work something out so we can stay in touch."

It looks like MJ was trying to make it easier for her to come to him
:yes:

That is an absolutely amazing observation. You catch on to so many things, AllForMJ, that I would think would pass most by. When one thinks about it, this here you mention, could really be key. :clapping:

Asedora, I hope your reply post stayed friendly enough to not discourage mystygrl to post her ideas again. That would make me sad. I was so thrilled to see her finally post. She doesn't do it too often you know. *hugs mystygrl* I enjoyed your posts!

Remember, none of us really know anything at all. This is just for escapism and a place to talk love, romance, and Michael.

By the way, Asedora, I know you are very straight-forward and a very logical thinker. I understand that.