Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

The internet of all places is a huge facade. Do I personally think it's true? I dunno. According to some, "she" has been around for a very long time, even as recent as this year. Is it reality? Like I said, we believe what we will. :)

You're right. :)

People believe what is convenient. Well, "if" it was true, it was a great woman in Michael's life. I really see the great changes in Michael's life because of this woman. :( Unfortunately, I can not see all that romanticism and this woman in Michael's life. For me, it has been proven that everything would be completely different in Michael's life and that's not what happened. It all happened over and there was no positive changes.

Do not kill me so... :ph34r: I know I always have an opinion so contrary to all here.
 
OMG ashtanga, no one is gonna kill you :bugeyed :p LOVE is what makes this thread what it is. We respect each other even if we don't always agree. It's all good. :p :flowers:
 
I for one, LOVE the story of Helen Keller. So inspiring. :) I am glad you brought her up, Sdeidjs.

I was not aware that there were people who interpreted what Michael said about L.O.V.E. to be a particular someONE.

I guess I assumed everyone thought it had to do with how I myself got it, which is being in love with love itself. Hm. Intriguing.

And gingersnaps??? welllll...gimme some gingerBREAD cookies, and I'll gobble them right down!! And some hot apple cider! it's that time of year. omg I can't believe Christmas is right around the corner.

:)

I am pleased that you are pleased...Ms.Keller is truly an inspiration to the world.

I was not aware of that either Justus;

In this instance of Mr.Jackson's message of L.O.V.E,

I wholeheartedly believe without any doubt in my mind, he wants us as the individual to recognize how important many of these things are to each and everyone of us regardless of our race , color, creed or status in life...

It is up to us to help cause he can't do all by himself...

A Must See Check This Out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRY-MLH763A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzw6GiqZyD0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqeADZgjtpY


With keeping that in mind, I also believe that there IS "the one", "a chosen one" located some where in this vass universe that Mr.Jackson felt he could trust with ALL his heart and soul..~~~

But hey what do I know...I guess time will tell...anything in life is truly possible...:punk:

Always "Keep The Faith" and the "Truth Shall Set Them Free"


:angel:Our Children Are The Future...Heal The World...WE Are The World...Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key~~~
 
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OMG ashtanga, no one is gonna kill you :bugeyed :p LOVE is what makes this thread what it is. We respect each other even if we don't always agree. It's all good. :p :flowers:

Thanks! I'm glad to know that no one will kill me for this. lol! :wild: :flowers:

I confess that is why I have been here a lot. Sometimes I'm afraid to share what I think and be misinterpreted. :ph34r: But ok... Anyway, I'll always be here. :D
 
hmm there are soo many stories about ladies.. this lady that lady...i dont know..i truly think the lady wasnt someone who is known. i think we still didnt saw a pic of her...thats of course my opinion.
 
hmm there are soo many stories about ladies.. this lady that lady...i dont know..i truly think the lady wasnt someone who is known. i think we still didnt saw a pic of her...thats of course my opinion.
And never will see. In my opinion, if it really existed the world would know who is very, very, very long time. The press/paparazzi always finds out. It is a fact. Nothing goes unnoticed by them when it comes to love life of a celebrity. Especially when that celebrity is MJ.
 
hehe ashtanga...i agree with you particularly ... i do think he loved someone but he wasnt with her... it was a platonic love... love from afar... he keept going to see her but than left it how it is...thats my opinion...so at least i noticed we almost thinking the same..hehe
 
And never will see. In my opinion, if it really existed the world would know who is very, very, very long time. The press/paparazzi always finds out. It is a fact. Nothing goes unnoticed by them when it comes to love life of a celebrity. Especially when that celebrity is MJ.
That's not necessarily true. They still do not know who Blanket's mother is.
 
About the women and "who did what first"...Well, it still seems a bit unfair and "judgmental" towards women to blame them...and make it seem like the man didn't have a choice. I guess I've just always had a problem with anyone justifying cheating with "But SHE(/he) started it...SHE(/he) seduced me...I am innocent!". Like you don't have a mind of your own and can't think for yourself and can't make your own decisions. I mean, how old is that person? Five? :doh: In MY opinion (but that's just really my opinion) if one is married(/ in a relationship) and loves and respects the person one is married (/in a relationship) to and doesn't want to hurt that person, the answer is "NO" to other people. It's that simple. There will ALWAYS be people who will try to seduce someone else...I mean, hello...newsflash?! :doh: :lol: Single or not, there are always people who will try to get a person in bed with them. But how are THEY to blame? If the girl is single and the guy is married...well, the girl isn't in a relationship. She can do what she wants. Sleep with who she wants. But if the guy is married, then there is no other option than a simple "No thanks!". I really have a problem with guys going "Oh don't blame me...blame her! I didn't have a choice!" Yeah, RIGHT! Sheesh! :doh: Besides, just a thought...how can any girl get anywhere with a guy, unless he is willing too? JUST a thought...So how is the girl to be blamed? NOT saying hitting on men who are not availabe is right either, but I'm just saying I have a problem with putting the blame on the women and making it seem the men didn't have any part in that and the women are "oh so evil and dangerous". And like I said...it would not be the first time that a girl had something going on with a married man...because she didn't even KNOW he was married. Could happen to any girl (or vice versa to a guy too...that they are hitting on a woman and have a relationship and think she's single when she is in fact married...but just never told him). Anyways, since I don't know Michael and don't know how exactly he thought about women, I can only go by what he said...and that part about blaming women felt a bit unfair in my opinion. A bit hurtful in a way. But on the other hand, like you said, he didn't grow up like the rest of us and didn't really have the best role models for relationships...I guess it's in a way understandable that he'd think that way. But still, I couldn't help but to feel a bit "offended" in a way when I read that. Or thinking "Gosh, that is SUCH a guy thing to say!! SHEESH!!!" :rant: :lol: :lol: :lol: But on the other hand, I guess, like I said earlier, I guess I am also at the point where I'm like "EFF LOVE"...so my views on guys probably aren't the most positive either. So because of that I can understand if MJ at some point felt like "EFF LOVE!!! EFF WOMEN!!" too because he was just really disappointed. :scratch:

Anyways. End of rant. :lol: I hope he found true love before he died though. :angel: I really would wish him that. He really deserved it.
LOL! I'm not saying it doesn't take two to taaaannnngo, but we have to admit, when it came to Mike many women were ready to break alllllll the rules. They wanted some of him.

The most famous man in the world had more women after him than any other man on the planet. His situation was very, very unique. I doubt if he was able to resist every single woman that approached him. Every single one? We have to think about how MANY women have approached him over the years. And then some of them were bold enough to touch him in the place of no return too?! LOL Listen to what he was singing. He's explaining that some of the women were doing that to him.

Being sexy, talented, successful and fine with bedroom eyes made his life difficult! :lol:
 
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That's not necessarily true. They still do not know who Blanket's mother is.

Yes, but it is a completely different case and what I said refers to the love relationship of a celebrity. Well, we're not here to discuss who is or who could be the mother of the little Blanket. For me, this does not interest me who you are. It is something that should remain private. :)




hehe ashtanga...i agree with you particularly ... i do think he loved someone but he wasnt with her... it was a platonic love... love from afar... he keept going to see her but than left it how it is...thats my opinion...so at least i noticed we almost thinking the same..hehe

Platonic love? I think not. This woman would be completely mad not to fall in love with Michael. lol! In my opinion, I believe that Michael never found the woman of his dreams and it was perfect to be by your side. I believe that Michael always envisioned a woman in his mind, sought and never found this woman that would fit their requirements and expectations. That's what I think. I see that to be with him, this woman should be like him. As I said once here, a female version of Michael. lol! :wub:
 
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LOL! I'm not saying it doesn't take two to taaaannnngle, but we have to admit, when it came to Mike many women were ready to break alllllll the rules. They wanted some of him.

The most famous man in the world had more women after him than any other man on the planet. His situation was very, very unique. I doubt if he was able to resist every single woman that approached him. Every single one? We have to think about how MANY women have approached him over the years. And then some of them were bold enough to touch him in the place of no return too?! LOL Listen to what he was singing. He's explaining that some of the women were doing that to him.

Being sexy, talented, successful and fine with bedroom eyes made his life difficult! :lol:

:lol: Well if he was not in a relationship, I guess he too could do what ever he wanted to do...be with as many girls as he wanted and that were willing. :)puke: :lol:) His business. But as soon as he was in a relationship, I think the only answer to other women would have had to be a simple "No thank you". Be it Lisa Marie or anyone else...no matter how hot and cute. :lol: And yes...even when you are MICHAEL JACKSON. Then again, I guess it was ultimately between him and his significant other to deal with all that. If Debbie was okay with MJ kissing Lisa on the mouth and having rendez-vous' with her, then there was no problem, I guess. But I wouldn't have looked at all that for very long. I would have been out, EVEN if it was Michael Jackson we are talking about. :lol: There is the word "no" one can use, no matter who one is. But that's again just my opinion.

Anyways, my picture about MJ chaged a bit when I read what he said to the Rabbi about women and relationships. It didn't sound that positive, if I'm honest. Or it seemed he was more into "casual relationships" (I want a girl I really like in my videos....but then they start to like me but I don't want to get that serious...sure, I can date") and it seemed he wanted to do what he wants without anyone telling him what he can and can't do. Go and do as he pleases. And that he liked to look and flirt, without getting serious. That's sort of the picture I got from what he was saying. :mello: And like I said, some of the things he said about women, seemed a bit offensive, but on the other hand...who knows if what he said was meant to stay private and who knows what kind of day he was having when he said all that and how he really meant all that. :scratch:But still when I read all that, it was extremely confusing and there were so many contradictions that I was just thinking "Huh? I don't really understand..." :scratch::lol: I think the only sweet and postive thing about women that he said was when he talked about Princess Diana or the type of girl he liked. But like I said, it didn't seem he thought very highly of most girls. Then again, he said it himself too "I don't like most girls". :lol: But on the other hand, I guess I can't really judge him, because I don't like "most guys" either. :cheers::lol: So in a way I guess I get what he meant...and the on the other hand I don't. How's that for a confusing answer? :scratch::lol: But anyways, the other stuff he said was pretty sweet and brilliant and just made me admire him more. He says the most brilliant stuff and has the most brilliant, intelligent thoughts about things...just absolutely fascinating. Love it. :wub: And I wish I could have had a chance to talk to him even just once while he was still among us. :cry: (Then again, forget conversation...I wish I would have even said HI (or ANYTHING) to him when he was finally right in front of me. :doh::lol: :lol: I still can't believe what a moron I was! :doh: I'm finally face to face with MJ, and then I act like I'm a MUTE! :doh::lol: :lol: Gosh, I think that will haunt me for the rest of my life! Go summer!! :clapping: :rolleyes: :lol:)

Yes, but it is a completely different case and what I said refers to the love relationship of a celebrity. Well, we're not here to discuss who is or who could be the mother of the little Blanket. For me, this does not interest me who you are. It is something that should remain private. :)






Platonic love? I think not. This woman would be completely mad not to fall in love with Michael. lol! In my opinion, I believe that Michael never found the woman of his dreams and it was perfect to be by your side. I believe that Michael always envisioned a woman in his mind, sought and never found this woman that would fit their requirements and expectations. That's what I think. I see that to be with him, this woman should be like him. As I said once here, a female version of Michael. lol! :wub:

Actually he said that himself too...that he wanted to find someone who was a lot like him and had a lot in common with him. A "mirror image" of him.
 
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Yes, but it is a completely different case and what I said refers to the love relationship of a celebrity. Well, we're not here to discuss who is or who could be the mother of the little Blanket. For me, this does not interest me who you are. It is something that should remain private. :)
Buuuut it still isn't true that the media always finds out who celebrities are in love with. Michael's very own sister, Janet, was married for close to ten years and the media did not know.
 
Buuuut it still isn't true that the media always finds out who celebrities are in love with. Michael's very own sister, Janet, was married for close to ten years and the media did not know.


Yeh it shows how dumb the media are! :lol:
 
:lol: Well if he was not in a relationship, I guess he too could do what ever he wanted to do...be with as many girls as he wanted and that were willing. :)puke: :lol:) His business. But as soon as he was in a relationship, I think the only answer to other women would have had to be a simple "No thank you". Be it Lisa Marie or anyone else...no matter how hot and cute. :lol: And yes...even when you are MICHAEL JACKSON. Then again, I guess it was ultimately between him and his significant other to deal with all that. If Debbie was okay with MJ kissing Lisa on the mouth and having rendez-vous' with her, then there was no problem, I guess. But I wouldn't have looked at all that for very long. I would have been out, EVEN if it was Michael Jackson we are talking about. :lol: There is the word "no" one can use, no matter who one is. But that's again just my opinion.

Anyways, my picture about MJ chaged a bit when I read what he said to the Rabbi about women and relationships. It didn't sound that positive, if I'm honest. Or it seemed he was more into "casual relationships" (I want a girl I really like in my videos....but then they start to like me but I don't want to get that serious...sure, I can date") and it seemed he wanted to do what he wants without anyone telling him what he can and can't do. Go and do as he pleases. And that he liked to look and flirt, without getting serious. That's sort of the picture I got from what he was saying. :mello: And like I said, some of the things he said about women, seemed a bit offensive, but on the other hand...who knows if what he said was meant to stay private and who knows what kind of day he was having when he said all that and how he really meant all that. :scratch:But still when I read all that, it was extremely confusing and there were so many contradictions that I was just thinking "Huh? I don't really understand..." :scratch::lol: I think the only sweet and postive thing about women that he said was when he talked about Princess Diana or the type of girl he liked. But like I said, it didn't seem he thought very highly of most girls. Then again, he said it himself too "I don't like most girls". :lol: But on the other hand, I guess I can't really judge him, because I don't like "most guys" either. :cheers::lol: So in a way I guess I get what he meant...and the on the other hand I don't. How's that for a confusing answer? :scratch::lol: But anyways, the other stuff he said was pretty sweet and brilliant and just made me admire him more. He says the most brilliant stuff and has the most brilliant, intelligent thoughts about things...just absolutely fascinating. Love it. :wub: And I wish I could have had a chance to talk to him even just once while he was still among us. :cry: (Then again, forget conversation...I wish I would have even said HI (or ANYTHING) to him when he was finally right in front of me. :doh::lol: :lol: I still can't believe what a moron I was! :doh: I'm finally face to face with MJ, and then I act like I'm a MUTE! :doh::lol: :lol: Gosh, I think that will haunt me for the rest of my life! Go summer!! :clapping: :rolleyes: :lol:)

Poor Mike. I guess the girls pulled his hair out by the roots one time too many! :lol:
 
Heck yeah. He had to place all the ladies on time out! :lol:


:lol: I can just see it now *mj turns to the girl fans* "thats it ladies, u all on timout! hey u yeh u the girl with the pout..dont be giving me the pout go on there now! *girl keeps pouting* mj to pouting girl: " alright fine! u come here!"
 
:lol: I can just see it now *mj turns to the girl fans* "thats it ladies, u all on timout! hey u yeh u the girl with the pout..dont be giving me the pout go on there now! *girl keeps pouting* mj to pouting girl: " alright fine! u come here!"

:smilerolleyes:

:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Buuuut it still isn't true that the media always finds out who celebrities are in love with. Michael's very own sister, Janet, was married for close to ten years and the media did not know.
Why is Janet. -_- The press is not interested in her life and none of the other brothers. Nothing that happens in their lives will be in evidence in the press for not interested. When it comes to MJ is all completely different in every way. Has always been that way. It is a fact.
 
Poor Mike. I guess the girls pulled his hair out by the roots one time too many! :lol:

:( Painful. Sorry AllForMJ but that one wasn't funny.


Sorry, moving on.........I DON"T want to linger there. hot apple cider, anyone? I think i need something to slow down this racing mind of mine. :p
 
ash when i mean platonic love.. i mean that the girl never knew that he loved her. so she cant fall in love if she doesnt know. i do still think he watched a lady from afar... and felt into love.. thats still my opinion.
 
ash when i mean platonic love.. i mean that the girl never knew that he loved her. so she cant fall in love if she doesnt know. i do still think he watched a lady from afar... and felt into love.. thats still my opinion.


Mmmm u could be right bout that
 
:lol: Well if he was not in a relationship, I guess he too could do what ever he wanted to do...be with as many girls as he wanted and that were willing. :)puke: :lol:) His business. But as soon as he was in a relationship, I think the only answer to other women would have had to be a simple "No thank you". Be it Lisa Marie or anyone else...no matter how hot and cute. :lol: And yes...even when you are MICHAEL JACKSON. Then again, I guess it was ultimately between him and his significant other to deal with all that. If Debbie was okay with MJ kissing Lisa on the mouth and having rendez-vous' with her, then there was no problem, I guess. But I wouldn't have looked at all that for very long. I would have been out, EVEN if it was Michael Jackson we are talking about. :lol: There is the word "no" one can use, no matter who one is. But that's again just my opinion.

Anyways, my picture about MJ chaged a bit when I read what he said to the Rabbi about women and relationships. It didn't sound that positive, if I'm honest. Or it seemed he was more into "casual relationships" (I want a girl I really like in my videos....but then they start to like me but I don't want to get that serious...sure, I can date") and it seemed he wanted to do what he wants without anyone telling him what he can and can't do. Go and do as he pleases. And that he liked to look and flirt, without getting serious. That's sort of the picture I got from what he was saying. :mello: And like I said, some of the things he said about women, seemed a bit offensive, but on the other hand...who knows if what he said was meant to stay private and who knows what kind of day he was having when he said all that and how he really meant all that. :scratch:But still when I read all that, it was extremely confusing and there were so many contradictions that I was just thinking "Huh? I don't really understand..." :scratch::lol: I think the only sweet and postive thing about women that he said was when he talked about Princess Diana or the type of girl he liked. But like I said, it didn't seem he thought very highly of most girls. Then again, he said it himself too "I don't like most girls". :lol: But on the other hand, I guess I can't really judge him, because I don't like "most guys" either. :cheers::lol: So in a way I guess I get what he meant...and the on the other hand I don't. How's that for a confusing answer? :scratch::lol: But anyways, the other stuff he said was pretty sweet and brilliant and just made me admire him more. He says the most brilliant stuff and has the most brilliant, intelligent thoughts about things...just absolutely fascinating. Love it. :wub: And I wish I could have had a chance to talk to him even just once while he was still among us. :cry: (Then again, forget conversation...I wish I would have even said HI (or ANYTHING) to him when he was finally right in front of me. :doh::lol: :lol: I still can't believe what a moron I was! :doh: I'm finally face to face with MJ, and then I act like I'm a MUTE! :doh::lol: :lol: Gosh, I think that will haunt me for the rest of my life! Go summer!! :clapping: :rolleyes: :lol:)



Actually he said that himself too...that he wanted to find
someone who was a lot like him and had a lot in common with him. A "mirror image" of him.

:cheers:

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are THe World...Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key~~~
 
Uh, yeah. So ... was that a "yes," "no," or "maybe so" in regards to my question?:unsure:




This is shocking Sdeidjs,
but I was just thinking about Helen Keller yesterday and what an amazing woman she was. And so was her teacher, Anne!




Hi Vic!

I heard that you want to leave us. Well, I'm here to try to talk you out of it - especially since I feel partly to blame.

The day I wrote my post you were hearing from a very weary and battle-worn soldier. I really wasn't speaking specifically about your post in particular, I was really just talking about fighting evil in general. I actually liked your post, and if I had not been so burnt out, I was gonna comment that it is true that we are fighting the battle between good and evil everyday. A lot of people don't know this because it is an invisible battle, although we are able to see the effects of it.

You were right about seeing MJ as a warrior. I think he really identified with that role. I also thought of him that way as well, especially when seeing him all dressed up in his military regalia.

I think what got to me that day was the idea that the love story was already a story filled with endless battles and it seemed to end without a definite conclusion and it seems as though we are headed toward another series of battles. And, I know that going from battle to battle with no let up can be real fatiguing.

But, I just wanted to let you know not to take it personally and that I understood what you meant and appreciated it. I feel everyone in this thread is important and brought here for a reason and has something valuable to contribute to it. Hope you stick around to give us more of your thoughtful insight.




Yes, I think this was another thing that had gotten me "down" lately. MJ's actions really could be contradictory at times ... which can really lead to a lot of confusion.

I had the startling revelation hit me the other day that maybe MJ wasn't so much in love with his LITD or any other person as much as perhaps he was in love with love. When he says in his movie that it's all for love, I wonder if he means that literally. As if to say he is doing it not so much for a particular person or people, but for the whole idea or concept of love in general. And, the fact that we concluded that he may have found out that he was loved before he "passed" and then he left immediately afterward made me think that maybe that was all he really wanted. Maybe he just wanted to BE loved rather than GIVE love back to someone. Maybe he didn't really know how. He was trained to be an entertainer, not to be in relationships. And, like you said, he didn't exactly have the best role models to learn from either.

It sounds strange I know, but there are many people out there who are in love with love or just knowing they are loved and that's enough for them, and maybe, that was enough for him too. I don't know. I could be really off base with this, but like you said, his contradictory actions could really lead to confusion sometimes.



Well, that's a whole lotta gingersnaps! And, I think you are more deserving of the title than I.

MP what is shocking? Originally many thought that Ms.Keller was deaf, blind, and dumb...

It just goes to show us that if we as the individual have the determination and perseverence, we can accomplish ANYTHING in life..!

Susie singing a classic: Put one foot in front of the other~~~and soon you'll be walking out the door~~~:punk:

Always Keep The Faith, Keep going after your many hopes and dreams, and eventually you will reach that moutain top..!


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The discussion that's been taking place here lately took my mind back to a story that summer posted a while ago and how true the meaning of these words are.....

Things Aren't Always What They Seem


I'll share with you another quote from Helen Keller that I had posted in RT a while ago. I feel these words are pretty significant to this thread. Again if anyone is interested I recommend reading "The Story of My Life". The experience of FEELING beauty within ourselves and the world is truly magical. :)

"I can see, and that is why I can be happy, in what you call the dark, but which to me is golden. I can see a God-made world, not a manmade world" ~ Helen Keller ~

ash when i mean platonic love.. i mean that the girl never knew that he loved her. so she cant fall in love if she doesnt know. i do still think he watched a lady from afar... and felt into love.. thats still my opinion.

I understand what you mean.
 
Many Many Moons ago, there was a Michael Jackson Invitation Only concert that was to be held at the Madison Square Gardens in New York City but this event got cancelled.

Does anyone know anything about this?

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