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hehehehe. Yeah I agree. Goodnight Lily lou.
Excellent reflections of thought (s)...
It has "never" been ANY SECRET that Mr.Jackson is a "very scholarly" man with Books, History, Art, Museums, Sculpture, Spirituality, Science, Philanthropy, Music etc...etc...etc...
All WE have to do...Is LOOK out side the box and all the answers to the questions we seek have always been there...
Check this out... A gift of L.O.V.E...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWJa4o1Lmus
SAINT MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL
"(Hebrew "Who is like God?")."
St. Michael is one of the principal angels; his name was the war-cry of the good angels in the battle fought in heaven against the enemy and his followers. Four times his name is recorded in Scripture:
(1) Daniel 10:13 sqq., Gabriel says to Daniel, when he asks God to permit the Jews to return to Jerusalem: "The Angel [D.V. prince] of the kingdom of the Persians resisted me . . . and, behold Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me . . . and none is my helper in all these things, but Michael your prince."
(2) Daniel 12, the Angel speaking of the end of the world and the Antichrist says: "At that time shall Michael rise up, the great prince, who standeth for the children of thy people."
(3) In the Catholic Epistle of St. Jude: "When Michael the Archangel, disputing with the devil, contended about the body of Moses", etc. St. Jude alludes to an ancient Jewish tradition of a dispute between Michael and Satan over the body of Moses, an account of which is also found in the apocryphal book on the assumption of Moses (Origen, De Principiis III.2.2). St. Michael concealed the tomb of Moses; Satan, however, by disclosing it, tried to seduce the Jewish people to the sin of hero-worship. St. Michael also guards the body of Eve, according to the "Revelation of Moses" ("Apocryphal Gospels", etc., ed. A. Walker, Edinburgh, p. 647).
(4) Apocalypse 12:7, "And there was a great battle in heaven, Michael and his angels fought with the dragon." St. John speaks of the great conflict at the end of time, which reflects also the battle in heaven at the beginning of time. According to the Fathers there is often question of St. Michael in Scripture where his name is not mentioned. They say he was the cherub who stood at the gate of paradise, "to keep the way of the tree of life" (Genesis 3:24), the angel through whom God published the Decalogue to his chosen people, the angel who stood in the way against Balaam (Numbers 22:22 sqq.), the angel who routed the army of Sennacherib (2 Kings 19:35).
Following these Scriptural passages, Christian tradition gives to St. Michael four offices:
It would have been natural to St. Michael, the champion of the Jewish people, to be the champion also of Christians, giving victory in war to his clients. The early Christians, however, regarded some of the martyrs as their military patrons: St. George, St. Theodore, St. Demetrius, St. Sergius, St. Procopius, St. Mercurius, etc.; but to St. Michael they gave the care of their sick. At the place where he was first venerated, in Phrygia, his prestige as angelic healer obscured his interposition in military affairs. It was from early times the centre of the true cult of the holy angels, particularly of St. Michael. Tradition relates that St. Michael in the earliest ages caused a medicinal spring to spout at Chairotopa near Colossae, where all the sick who bathed there, invoking the Blessed Trinity and St. Michael, were cured.
Still more famous are the springs which St. Michael is said to have drawn from the rock at Colossae The pagans directed a stream against the sanctuary of St. Michael to destroy it, but the archangel split the rock by lightning to give a new bed to the stream, and sanctified forever the waters which came from the gorge.
At Constantinople likewise, St. Michael was the great heavenly physician. His principal sanctuary, the Michaelion, was at Sosthenion, some fifty miles south ofConstantinople; there the archangel is said to have appeared to the Emperor Constantine. The sick slept in this church at night to wait for a manifestation of St. Michael; his feast was kept there 9 June. Another famous church was within the walls of the city, at the thermal baths of the Emperor Arcadius; there the synaxis of the archangel was celebrated 8 November. This feast spread over the entire Greek Church, and the Syrian, Armenian, and Coptic Churches adopted it also; it is now the principal feast of St. Michael in the Orient. It may have originated in Phrygia, but its station at Constantinople was the Thermae of Arcadius (Martinow, "Annus Graeco-slavicus", 8 Nov.). Other feasts of St. Michael at Constantinople were: 27 October, in the "Promotu" church; 18 June, in the Church of St. Julian at the Forum; and 10 December, at Athaea.
The Christians of Egypt placed their life-giving river, the Nile, under the protection of St. Michael; they adopted the Greek feast and kept it 12 November; on the twelfth of every month they celebrate a special commemoration of the archangel, but 12 June, when the river commences to rise, they keep as a holiday of obligation the feast of St. Michael "for the rising of the Nile", euche eis ten symmetron anabasin ton potamion hydaton.
.At Rome also the part of heavenly physician was given to St. Michael. According to an (apocryphal?) legend of the tenth century he appeared over the Moles Hadriani (Castel di S. Angelo), in 950, during the procession which St. Gregory held against the pestilence, putting an end to the plague. Boniface IV (608-15) built on the Moles Hadriani in honour of him, a church, which was styled St. Michaelis inter nubes (in summitate circi).
Well known is the apparition of St. Michael (a. 494 or 530-40), as related in the Roman Breviary, 8 May, at his renowned sanctuary on Monte Gargano, where his original glory as patron in war was restored to him. To his intercession the Lombards of Sipontum (Manfredonia) attributed their victory over the Greek Neapolitans, 8 May, 663. In commemoration of this victory the church of Sipontum instituted a special feast in honour of the archangel, on 8 May, which has spread over the entire Latin Church and is now called (since the time of Pius V) "Apparitio S. Michaelis", although it originally did not commemorate the apparition, but the victory.
In Normandy St. Michael is the patron of mariners in his famous sanctuary at Mont-Saint-Michel in the Diocese of Coutances. He is said to have appeared there, in 708, to St. Aubert, Bishop of Avranches. In Normandy his feast "S. Michaelis in periculo maris" or "in Monte Tumba" was universally celebrated on 18 Oct., the anniversary of the dedication of the first church, 16 Oct., 710; the feast is now confined to the Diocese of Coutances. In Germany, after its evangelization, St. Michael replaced for the Christians the pagan god Wotan, to whom many mountains were sacred, hence the numerous mountain chapels of St. Michael all over Germany.
The hymns of the Roman Office are said to have been composed by St. Rabanus Maurus of Fulda (d. 856). In art St. Michael is represented as an angelic warrior, fully armed with helmet, sword, and shield (often the shield bears the Latin inscription: Quis ut Deus), standing over the dragon, whom he sometimes pierces with a lance. He also holds a pair of scales in which he weighs the souls of the departed (cf. Rock, "The Church of Our Fathers", III, 160), or the book of life, to show that he takes part in the judgment. His feast (29 September) in the Middle Ages was celebrated as a holy day of obligation, but along with several other feasts it was gradually abolished since the eighteenth century (see FEASTS). Michaelmas Day, in England and other countries, is one of the regular quarter-days for settling rents and accounts; but it is no longer remarkable for the hospitality with which it was formerly celebrated. Stubble-geese being esteemed in perfection about this time, most families had one dressed on Michaelmas Day. In some parishes (Isle of Skye) they had a procession on this day and baked a cake, called St. Michael's bannock.
Source: Catholic Encyclopidia
:angel:Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key~~~
It has "never" been ANY SECRET that Mr.Jackson is a "very scholarly" man with Books, History, Art, Museums, Sculpture, Spirituality, Science, Philanthropy, Music etc...etc...etc...
All WE have to do...Is LOOK out side the box and all the answers to the questions we seek have always been there...
Check this out... A gift of L.O.V.E...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWJa4o1Lmus
SAINT MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL
"(Hebrew "Who is like God?")."
St. Michael is one of the principal angels; his name was the war-cry of the good angels in the battle fought in heaven against the enemy and his followers. Four times his name is recorded in Scripture:
(1) Daniel 10:13 sqq., Gabriel says to Daniel, when he asks God to permit the Jews to return to Jerusalem: "The Angel [D.V. prince] of the kingdom of the Persians resisted me . . . and, behold Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me . . . and none is my helper in all these things, but Michael your prince."
(2) Daniel 12, the Angel speaking of the end of the world and the Antichrist says: "At that time shall Michael rise up, the great prince, who standeth for the children of thy people."
(3) In the Catholic Epistle of St. Jude: "When Michael the Archangel, disputing with the devil, contended about the body of Moses", etc. St. Jude alludes to an ancient Jewish tradition of a dispute between Michael and Satan over the body of Moses, an account of which is also found in the apocryphal book on the assumption of Moses (Origen, De Principiis III.2.2). St. Michael concealed the tomb of Moses; Satan, however, by disclosing it, tried to seduce the Jewish people to the sin of hero-worship. St. Michael also guards the body of Eve, according to the "Revelation of Moses" ("Apocryphal Gospels", etc., ed. A. Walker, Edinburgh, p. 647).
(4) Apocalypse 12:7, "And there was a great battle in heaven, Michael and his angels fought with the dragon." St. John speaks of the great conflict at the end of time, which reflects also the battle in heaven at the beginning of time. According to the Fathers there is often question of St. Michael in Scripture where his name is not mentioned. They say he was the cherub who stood at the gate of paradise, "to keep the way of the tree of life" (Genesis 3:24), the angel through whom God published the Decalogue to his chosen people, the angel who stood in the way against Balaam (Numbers 22:22 sqq.), the angel who routed the army of Sennacherib (2 Kings 19:35).
Following these Scriptural passages, Christian tradition gives to St. Michael four offices:
- To fight against Satan.
- To rescue the souls of the faithful from the power of the enemy, especially at the hour of death.
- To be the champion of God's people, the Jews in the Old Law, the Christians in the New Testament; therefore he was the patron of the Church, and of the orders of knights during the Middle Ages.
- To call away from earth and bring men's souls to judgment ("signifer S. Michael repraesentet eas in lucam sanctam", Offert. Miss Defunct. "Constituit eum principem super animas suscipiendas", Antiph. off. Cf. The Shepherd of Hermas, Book III, Similitude 8, Chapter 3).
It would have been natural to St. Michael, the champion of the Jewish people, to be the champion also of Christians, giving victory in war to his clients. The early Christians, however, regarded some of the martyrs as their military patrons: St. George, St. Theodore, St. Demetrius, St. Sergius, St. Procopius, St. Mercurius, etc.; but to St. Michael they gave the care of their sick. At the place where he was first venerated, in Phrygia, his prestige as angelic healer obscured his interposition in military affairs. It was from early times the centre of the true cult of the holy angels, particularly of St. Michael. Tradition relates that St. Michael in the earliest ages caused a medicinal spring to spout at Chairotopa near Colossae, where all the sick who bathed there, invoking the Blessed Trinity and St. Michael, were cured.
Still more famous are the springs which St. Michael is said to have drawn from the rock at Colossae The pagans directed a stream against the sanctuary of St. Michael to destroy it, but the archangel split the rock by lightning to give a new bed to the stream, and sanctified forever the waters which came from the gorge.
At Constantinople likewise, St. Michael was the great heavenly physician. His principal sanctuary, the Michaelion, was at Sosthenion, some fifty miles south ofConstantinople; there the archangel is said to have appeared to the Emperor Constantine. The sick slept in this church at night to wait for a manifestation of St. Michael; his feast was kept there 9 June. Another famous church was within the walls of the city, at the thermal baths of the Emperor Arcadius; there the synaxis of the archangel was celebrated 8 November. This feast spread over the entire Greek Church, and the Syrian, Armenian, and Coptic Churches adopted it also; it is now the principal feast of St. Michael in the Orient. It may have originated in Phrygia, but its station at Constantinople was the Thermae of Arcadius (Martinow, "Annus Graeco-slavicus", 8 Nov.). Other feasts of St. Michael at Constantinople were: 27 October, in the "Promotu" church; 18 June, in the Church of St. Julian at the Forum; and 10 December, at Athaea.
The Christians of Egypt placed their life-giving river, the Nile, under the protection of St. Michael; they adopted the Greek feast and kept it 12 November; on the twelfth of every month they celebrate a special commemoration of the archangel, but 12 June, when the river commences to rise, they keep as a holiday of obligation the feast of St. Michael "for the rising of the Nile", euche eis ten symmetron anabasin ton potamion hydaton.
.At Rome also the part of heavenly physician was given to St. Michael. According to an (apocryphal?) legend of the tenth century he appeared over the Moles Hadriani (Castel di S. Angelo), in 950, during the procession which St. Gregory held against the pestilence, putting an end to the plague. Boniface IV (608-15) built on the Moles Hadriani in honour of him, a church, which was styled St. Michaelis inter nubes (in summitate circi).
Well known is the apparition of St. Michael (a. 494 or 530-40), as related in the Roman Breviary, 8 May, at his renowned sanctuary on Monte Gargano, where his original glory as patron in war was restored to him. To his intercession the Lombards of Sipontum (Manfredonia) attributed their victory over the Greek Neapolitans, 8 May, 663. In commemoration of this victory the church of Sipontum instituted a special feast in honour of the archangel, on 8 May, which has spread over the entire Latin Church and is now called (since the time of Pius V) "Apparitio S. Michaelis", although it originally did not commemorate the apparition, but the victory.
In Normandy St. Michael is the patron of mariners in his famous sanctuary at Mont-Saint-Michel in the Diocese of Coutances. He is said to have appeared there, in 708, to St. Aubert, Bishop of Avranches. In Normandy his feast "S. Michaelis in periculo maris" or "in Monte Tumba" was universally celebrated on 18 Oct., the anniversary of the dedication of the first church, 16 Oct., 710; the feast is now confined to the Diocese of Coutances. In Germany, after its evangelization, St. Michael replaced for the Christians the pagan god Wotan, to whom many mountains were sacred, hence the numerous mountain chapels of St. Michael all over Germany.
The hymns of the Roman Office are said to have been composed by St. Rabanus Maurus of Fulda (d. 856). In art St. Michael is represented as an angelic warrior, fully armed with helmet, sword, and shield (often the shield bears the Latin inscription: Quis ut Deus), standing over the dragon, whom he sometimes pierces with a lance. He also holds a pair of scales in which he weighs the souls of the departed (cf. Rock, "The Church of Our Fathers", III, 160), or the book of life, to show that he takes part in the judgment. His feast (29 September) in the Middle Ages was celebrated as a holy day of obligation, but along with several other feasts it was gradually abolished since the eighteenth century (see FEASTS). Michaelmas Day, in England and other countries, is one of the regular quarter-days for settling rents and accounts; but it is no longer remarkable for the hospitality with which it was formerly celebrated. Stubble-geese being esteemed in perfection about this time, most families had one dressed on Michaelmas Day. In some parishes (Isle of Skye) they had a procession on this day and baked a cake, called St. Michael's bannock.
Source: Catholic Encyclopidia
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MysteriousPhoenix
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Yeah, I was just thinkin', that foyer needs a little something!
*MP goes off to decorate foyer for big Christmas wedding while singing, "Your the spark that lit the fire inside of me ..."*:lol:
tha
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Hi People!
Do you remember me?
I'm back and I think I'll need all weekend to read everything that I lost! :lol:
Well, I'll start now!
Hope everyone is fine!
See you on the board!
Kisses!
Do you remember me?
I'm back and I think I'll need all weekend to read everything that I lost! :lol:
Well, I'll start now!
Hope everyone is fine!
See you on the board!
Kisses!
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tha
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ha! ha! ha!
:swoon: You showed up! lol! Funny that all who were missing in this discussion appear at the same time. lol! :wild:
See you...
Really? At the same time? :lol:
Love so much all this! :yes:
tha
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So niiiiice to see peace and love return to this lovely thread I guess this is the wonderful thing about it – no matter what sort of darkness comes along and stays for no matter how long, light always manages to drive it away.
Great, amazing thoughts there Victoria about the “warrior” who was Michael. I totally agree with you. Just as the messenger is never more important than the message and above all than He who sends out into world, also the mission should not and cannot come second to anything.
Thing is – Michael could not do it by himself. As wonderful and amazing as he was, his purpose was to lead by example so that others all over the world following in his steps would give their contribution to help change it. What we all must understand is that one by one, each of us, in our own small way, creating our own history each day with each action, kind gesture or smile CAN change the world and make it a better place. We owe it to ourselves, we owe it to our children and we owe to God.
Justus summed up the book of Revelation so eloquently, God wins. I was never any good at math (beyond 1+1=2 I never really got it), but the little I do remember of equations and stuff could be also transferred into:
a) God wins
b) God is love
which leads to c) Love wins
Or maybe this actually is logic, not so much math? Btw of math, aren't there some fancy mathematical spheres and theories where actually 1+1 = 1??? Science and its mysteries...
Leaving those aside for a moment, I'd like to share some things with you all. Because of your wonderful discussion I went and searched for some images for the phrase 'heal the world'. This thread has been missing them photos for a while, hasn't it? Beyond the wonderful logo for the single, here is an interesting result I came upon.
The same artist also created this nice little piece of digital art – it's called Eternal child.
And last, but not least, also from the chapter of MJ inspired art - you might have seen this already posted somewhere else on the board, but I only found out about it today. Kehinde Wiley finished his portrait of Michael. I think it's beautiful.
Keep spreading the love people, it's what makes life worth living and living it to the fullest. Huge hug to everyone. Keep the faith. How did Michael sing in the masterpiece that is “Stranger in Moscow” - Happy days will drown the pain? I think he was right. God bless.
I guess this is the wonderful thing about it – no matter what sort of darkness comes along and stays for no matter how long, light always manages to drive it away. Great, amazing thoughts there Victoria about the “warrior” who was Michael. I totally agree with you. Just as the messenger is never more important than the message and above all than He who sends out into world, also the mission should not and cannot come second to anything.
Thing is – Michael could not do it by himself. As wonderful and amazing as he was, his purpose was to lead by example so that others all over the world following in his steps would give their contribution to help change it. What we all must understand is that one by one, each of us, in our own small way, creating our own history each day with each action, kind gesture or smile CAN change the world and make it a better place. We owe it to ourselves, we owe it to our children and we owe to God.
Justus summed up the book of Revelation so eloquently, God wins. I was never any good at math (beyond 1+1=2 I never really got it), but the little I do remember of equations and stuff could be also transferred into:
a) God wins
b) God is love
which leads to c) Love wins
Or maybe this actually is logic, not so much math? Btw of math, aren't there some fancy mathematical spheres and theories where actually 1+1 = 1??? Science and its mysteries...
Leaving those aside for a moment, I'd like to share some things with you all. Because of your wonderful discussion I went and searched for some images for the phrase 'heal the world'. This thread has been missing them photos for a while, hasn't it?
Beyond the wonderful logo for the single, here is an interesting result I came upon.
The same artist also created this nice little piece of digital art – it's called Eternal child.
And last, but not least, also from the chapter of MJ inspired art - you might have seen this already posted somewhere else on the board, but I only found out about it today. Kehinde Wiley finished his portrait of Michael. I think it's beautiful.
Keep spreading the love people, it's what makes life worth living and living it to the fullest. Huge hug to everyone. Keep the faith. How did Michael sing in the masterpiece that is “Stranger in Moscow” - Happy days will drown the pain? I think he was right. God bless.
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@Shabuya: How funny that you noticed Ben Heine's artwork! My art is in an amazing charity artbook together with that art of him.
The book is called 'Moonwalk Through Art'. More than 100 artists from all over the world (!) have participated in this project.
It contains drawings, paintings, cartoons, digital art and poems admirers, artists and fans have made and dedicated to Michael.
The profits are going to a charity called 'Mappa Mondo', a children’s hospice from the Red Cross in The Netherlands.
Here's my, also Heal The World inspired, artwork which is on the back of the book, a honourable position:
The book is called 'Moonwalk Through Art'.
More than 100 artists from all over the world (!) have participated in this project.It contains drawings, paintings, cartoons, digital art and poems admirers, artists and fans have made and dedicated to Michael.
The profits are going to a charity called 'Mappa Mondo', a children’s hospice from the Red Cross in The Netherlands.
Here's my, also Heal The World inspired, artwork which is on the back of the book, a honourable position:
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Lainy
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In any case, yes it is quite powerful imagery. And in all of them, the spiritual energy/electricity is amazing and always full of love, goodness, and power.
Perfect words Justus.
*Archangel Micha-el. Leader of the heavenly Army. Angel of faith, protection and deliverance from evil. He provides invaluable services to humanity, keeping indefatigably illuminated the Faith Force.
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Shabuya, thanks so much for the photos, all are very beautiful, especially the last.
The Triptych - David Nordahl also fits perfectly in this discussion.
Michael's Poem
I'm the thinker, the thinking,
the thought
I am the seeker, the seeking,
the sought
I am the dewdrop, the sunshine,
the storm
I am the phenomenon, the field,
the form
I am the desert, the ocean,
the sky
I am the Primeval Self
In you and I
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The same artist also created this nice little piece of digital art – it's called Eternal child.
WOW! these pics are amzing!
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I loved this pics!! Divine!!! :clapping:
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So niiiiice to see peace and love return to this lovely thread
Great, amazing thoughts there Victoria about the “warrior” who was Michael. I totally agree with you. Just as the messenger is never more important than the message and above all than He who sends out into world, also the mission should not and cannot come second to anything.
Thing is – Michael could not do it by himself. As wonderful and amazing as he was, his purpose was to lead by example so that others all over the world following in his steps would give their contribution to help change it. What we all must understand is that one by one, each of us, in our own small way, creating our own history each day with each action, kind gesture or smile CAN change the world and make it a better place. We owe it to ourselves, we owe it to our children and we owe to God.
Justus summed up the book of Revelation so eloquently, God wins. I was never any good at math (beyond 1+1=2 I never really got it), but the little I do remember of equations and stuff could be also transferred into:
a) God wins
b) God is love
which leads to c) Love wins
Or maybe this actually is logic, not so much math? Btw of math, aren't there some fancy mathematical spheres and theories where actually 1+1 = 1??? Science and its mysteries...
Leaving those aside for a moment, I'd like to share some things with you all. Because of your wonderful discussion I went and searched for some images for the phrase 'heal the world'. This thread has been missing them photos for a while, hasn't it?
The same artist also created this nice little piece of digital art – it's called Eternal child.
And last, but not least, also from the chapter of MJ inspired art - you might have seen this already posted somewhere else on the board, but I only found out about it today. Kehinde Wiley finished his portrait of Michael. I think it's beautiful.
Keep spreading the love people, it's what makes life worth living and living it to the fullest. Huge hug to everyone. Keep the faith. How did Michael sing in the masterpiece that is “Stranger in Moscow” - Happy days will drown the pain? I think he was right. God bless.
What beautiful pictures!
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Wow! Those Michael pictures are great, and thanks.
I'm extremely tired tonight, but will try to condense what I really feel. There is what seems like "real life," and it IS real, but there is also the life of the mind and the spirit, and it knows no boundaries, and that is also "real." Justus said, about the Book of Revelation, "Big fight. God wins." That is, of course, too simple, but I know what she means. God wins, but the suffering is REAL, during that time, for many. How big that victory is, and who is victorious, and how many have to suffer, has so much to do with free-will? I don't know if folks here believe or do not believe in the Book of Revelation? Or in 2012? Might not matter, because facts reveal the trend, and it is obvious. The "date" might not matter, but that a crisis is coming, should be obvious? Do you REALLY understand how important Michael was/is? Really? DO YOU? How could one, small, flawed, and vulnerable, person, generate so much love in others, in a time in history when love is really needed?
Evil exists. Evil is REAL. Some people think that all things come from God, but that would include evil. I can't imagine that God generates evil, so this must have been a force, the counterpoint to light, that always has been. Michael is/was love, and evil's adversary. Right? He was/is as big as that. Uhm, there has only been ONE other person like him, historically? Think about it? Just for a second? Justus? Susie? Anyone? Just think about it?
I have a dream that recurs. In this dream, it is summer. . .again. Michael is in a field or meadow, and there is an adversary. The adversary is a WOMAN. . smallish, youngish, and very thin, with dark hair and eyes, and she is very strong, at the moment. She is stronger than he is, at the moment, and they are doing combat. I dream this, over and over. Is she evil? In part, maybe? Does she have a conscience? I hope so. Does she have a choice? Does she REALLY want to hurt him? I hope not. In the dream, he is weakened, by her. In this dream, I can only watch, like watching a movie. I want to help, but I cannot. She hurts him and captures him. She weakens him, and he is confused, and in pain. This is a nightmare. I am not THERE, in the dream, but only watching. Michael must help himself! I am so afraid for him, because he is not winning. But yet, in my heart, I know love must prevail. Is this woman the personification of EVIL? She might be. Does she have free-will, to choose the darkness, or the light? I hope so . . . . I hope so . . . .
Michael wrote in "Dangerous," about the evil woman, "She comes at me in sections." I've never fully understood that cryptic phase, except that "sections" means unintegrated parts? Chaos, which is the opposite of order, and is the condition of the universe before "order" began. Is chaos evil? It might be.
I'm free-associating here, so bear with me? In some (most) African cultures (I did my Ph.D. research in Africa, ok?) the worst evil, the most serious danger, was portrayed in masks, and in the dance, as a beautiful woman, as some sort of trick. Michael KNEW that ("Dangerous.") One can't TELL by looking if a person is evil, or is not. I believe (cannot prove) that at the beginning of everything, at Genesis, there was L.O.V.E as a force, and there was darkness (evil). These continue to do combat.
I believe that the soul/spirit goes on. Michael still needs our help. Let's choose L.O.V.E., ok?
Justus reminded us of what is possible. I only hope that, in this battle, the necessary sacrifices can be made, and that love can win.
Personally, I'm incredibly psychic, and there is much I cannot say. . . Really. . .
Just, pray, and pray hard, for the good, to win? And I continue to believe in magick, and in miracles?
Vic
I'm extremely tired tonight, but will try to condense what I really feel. There is what seems like "real life," and it IS real, but there is also the life of the mind and the spirit, and it knows no boundaries, and that is also "real." Justus said, about the Book of Revelation, "Big fight. God wins." That is, of course, too simple, but I know what she means. God wins, but the suffering is REAL, during that time, for many. How big that victory is, and who is victorious, and how many have to suffer, has so much to do with free-will? I don't know if folks here believe or do not believe in the Book of Revelation? Or in 2012? Might not matter, because facts reveal the trend, and it is obvious. The "date" might not matter, but that a crisis is coming, should be obvious? Do you REALLY understand how important Michael was/is? Really? DO YOU? How could one, small, flawed, and vulnerable, person, generate so much love in others, in a time in history when love is really needed?
Evil exists. Evil is REAL. Some people think that all things come from God, but that would include evil. I can't imagine that God generates evil, so this must have been a force, the counterpoint to light, that always has been. Michael is/was love, and evil's adversary. Right? He was/is as big as that. Uhm, there has only been ONE other person like him, historically? Think about it? Just for a second? Justus? Susie? Anyone? Just think about it?
I have a dream that recurs. In this dream, it is summer. . .again. Michael is in a field or meadow, and there is an adversary. The adversary is a WOMAN. . smallish, youngish, and very thin, with dark hair and eyes, and she is very strong, at the moment. She is stronger than he is, at the moment, and they are doing combat. I dream this, over and over. Is she evil? In part, maybe? Does she have a conscience? I hope so. Does she have a choice? Does she REALLY want to hurt him? I hope not. In the dream, he is weakened, by her. In this dream, I can only watch, like watching a movie. I want to help, but I cannot. She hurts him and captures him. She weakens him, and he is confused, and in pain. This is a nightmare. I am not THERE, in the dream, but only watching. Michael must help himself! I am so afraid for him, because he is not winning. But yet, in my heart, I know love must prevail. Is this woman the personification of EVIL? She might be. Does she have free-will, to choose the darkness, or the light? I hope so . . . . I hope so . . . .
Michael wrote in "Dangerous," about the evil woman, "She comes at me in sections." I've never fully understood that cryptic phase, except that "sections" means unintegrated parts? Chaos, which is the opposite of order, and is the condition of the universe before "order" began. Is chaos evil? It might be.
I'm free-associating here, so bear with me? In some (most) African cultures (I did my Ph.D. research in Africa, ok?) the worst evil, the most serious danger, was portrayed in masks, and in the dance, as a beautiful woman, as some sort of trick. Michael KNEW that ("Dangerous.") One can't TELL by looking if a person is evil, or is not. I believe (cannot prove) that at the beginning of everything, at Genesis, there was L.O.V.E as a force, and there was darkness (evil). These continue to do combat.
I believe that the soul/spirit goes on. Michael still needs our help. Let's choose L.O.V.E., ok?
Justus reminded us of what is possible. I only hope that, in this battle, the necessary sacrifices can be made, and that love can win.
Personally, I'm incredibly psychic, and there is much I cannot say. . . Really. . .
Just, pray, and pray hard, for the good, to win? And I continue to believe in magick, and in miracles?
Vic
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Ashtanga
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OMG! Shabuya, thanks for sharing.
It's beautiful and wonderful. Michael as a warrior who fights bad being crowned and blessed by angels. Perfect. Michael has always been a great warrior in his life... :yes: :wub:
MysteriousPhoenix
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Warriors, evil and missions. Sounds more like boot camp than love anymore. I guess the days of simplicity are gone - holding hands, a warm embrace, a thoughtful gesture. Maybe it's because I'm a female, who knows. Inside of everyone of us I suppose there is a warrior, but even warriors need love sometimes. This "love" has become more of a battle than anything else. Is this even still a "love" story or is it perhaps just a story? An amazing story for sure, but just a story?
I often think about what Michael would think of all of this if he were still here. Ah, but, yes, you all tell me that he is indeed still here. Well, sometimes I really have to ask myself. He was a warrior for sure, but he was also warm and passionate. He was passionate about love. When he first "passed" I still felt his warmth. It felt like a gentle, warm embrace. That, I will always believe, was the real Michael. I feel his passion and his warmth less and less as time goes by I have to say with tears welling up in my eyes. It makes me feel like maybe he has truly ascended to that higher place where he can no longer be reached - a happy time for him I'm sure, but a lonesome, sad and difficult time for the rest of us.
Maybe you all have just placed too much to digest at once on my still very broken heart, or maybe I'm just not as "enlightened" as the rest of you. I really, really wish I could be though. It all sounds so very noble. Maybe one day I too will join in your crusade, but for now, I think this is my healing time and not to mention, a time to be still and seek the Lord for answers - something there do not seem to be a whole lot of these days. There are plenty of mysteries, plenty of theories and a whole lot of excitement over nothin', and yet no one has yet to really answer anything as far as I'm concerned, but that isn't anyone's fault.
I apologize for going on with this rant. To tell you the truth, this was something that was going on inside of me for a while now and was definitely not meant for others to read, but since we're all such a close- knit family I thought it would be o.k. I feel a little better letting it out now for whatever it's worth. I hope none of you take it personally. I'm just a battle-worn warrior, but, hey, us warriors know how to bounce back.
Love You All.
I often think about what Michael would think of all of this if he were still here. Ah, but, yes, you all tell me that he is indeed still here. Well, sometimes I really have to ask myself. He was a warrior for sure, but he was also warm and passionate. He was passionate about love. When he first "passed" I still felt his warmth. It felt like a gentle, warm embrace. That, I will always believe, was the real Michael. I feel his passion and his warmth less and less as time goes by I have to say with tears welling up in my eyes. It makes me feel like maybe he has truly ascended to that higher place where he can no longer be reached - a happy time for him I'm sure, but a lonesome, sad and difficult time for the rest of us.
Maybe you all have just placed too much to digest at once on my still very broken heart, or maybe I'm just not as "enlightened" as the rest of you. I really, really wish I could be though. It all sounds so very noble. Maybe one day I too will join in your crusade, but for now, I think this is my healing time and not to mention, a time to be still and seek the Lord for answers - something there do not seem to be a whole lot of these days. There are plenty of mysteries, plenty of theories and a whole lot of excitement over nothin', and yet no one has yet to really answer anything as far as I'm concerned, but that isn't anyone's fault.
I apologize for going on with this rant. To tell you the truth, this was something that was going on inside of me for a while now and was definitely not meant for others to read, but since we're all such a close- knit family I thought it would be o.k. I feel a little better letting it out now for whatever it's worth. I hope none of you take it personally. I'm just a battle-worn warrior, but, hey, us warriors know how to bounce back.
Love You All.
I have been around/involved long enough to know/believe how so very important Mr.Jackson is to God, his family, friends, fans, admirers, and the world.
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Of course it is...Mr.Jackson and "the chosen one" would want us to continue sharing our reflective thoughts.
Everything in life always happens for a reason..sometimes we may not always agree with it or think its fair. However, just try to keep an open mind, heart, and we will all see that "the truth WILL set them free"~~~
Psalm 37
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So niiiiice to see peace and love return to this lovely thread
Great, amazing thoughts there Victoria about the “warrior” who was Michael. I totally agree with you. Just as the messenger is never more important than the message and above all than He who sends out into world, also the mission should not and cannot come second to anything.
Thing is – Michael could not do it by himself. As wonderful and amazing as he was, his purpose was to lead by example so that others all over the world following in his steps would give their contribution to help change it. What we all must understand is that one by one, each of us, in our own small way, creating our own history each day with each action, kind gesture or smile CAN change the world and make it a better place. We owe it to ourselves, we owe it to our children and we owe to God.
Justus summed up the book of Revelation so eloquently, God wins. I was never any good at math (beyond 1+1=2 I never really got it), but the little I do remember of equations and stuff could be also transferred into:
a) God wins
b) God is love
which leads to c) Love wins
Or maybe this actually is logic, not so much math? Btw of math, aren't there some fancy mathematical spheres and theories where actually 1+1 = 1??? Science and its mysteries...
Leaving those aside for a moment, I'd like to share some things with you all. Because of your wonderful discussion I went and searched for some images for the phrase 'heal the world'. This thread has been missing them photos for a while, hasn't it?
The same artist also created this nice little piece of digital art – it's called Eternal child.
And last, but not least, also from the chapter of MJ inspired art - you might have seen this already posted somewhere else on the board, but I only found out about it today. Kehinde Wiley finished his portrait of Michael. I think it's beautiful.
Keep spreading the love people, it's what makes life worth living and living it to the fullest. Huge hug to everyone. Keep the faith. How did Michael sing in the masterpiece that is “Stranger in Moscow” - Happy days will drown the pain? I think he was right. God bless.
Simply Breath Taking...!
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@Shabuya: How funny that you noticed Ben Heine's artwork! My art is in an amazing charity artbook together with that art of him.
The book is called 'Moonwalk Through Art'.
It contains drawings, paintings, cartoons, digital art and poems admirers, artists and fans have made and dedicated to Michael.
The profits are going to a charity called 'Mappa Mondo', a children’s hospice from the Red Cross in The Netherlands.
Here's my, also Heal The World inspired, artwork which is on the back of the book, a honourable position:
Impressive...Thank You~~~
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Perfect words Justus.
*Archangel Micha-el. Leader of the heavenly Army. Angel of faith, protection and deliverance from evil. He provides invaluable services to humanity, keeping indefatigably illuminated the Faith Force.
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Shabuya, thanks so much for the photos, all are very beautiful, especially the last.
TheEDIT: Mrs. Music How beautiful!Triptych - David Nordahl also fits perfectly in this discussion.
Michael's Poem
I'm the thinker, the thinking,
the thought
I am the seeker, the seeking,
the sought
I am the dewdrop, the sunshine,
the storm
I am the phenomenon, the field,
the form
I am the desert, the ocean,
the sky
I am the Primeval Self
In you and I
Michael Jackson
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Autumn II
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It's amazing how quickly things can change! Woke up to a snowfall, and the snow continues. It's no longer obvious that I haven't raked my autumn leaves, or weeded flower-beds a final time! (I wonder if it's snowing where Michael IS, or if that is even possible? So much remains unknown. . . .)
Michael-as-warrior doesn't preclude him also being loving, tender, kind, and emotional. People are complicated. Yet, his message at the end of This is It (movie) was urgent. "This is it" was about a lot of things, but primarily, "it is NOW that we must make changes if we are to save the planet." Each person must do what he/she can, as possible, given all the responsibilities of life?
Does evil exist? Of course. I saw Murray's video where he was basically saying "don't worry. Be happy." He was clueless. He seems like an "affable man." It remains unknown if what he did to Michael was accidental, or deliberate. Evil? Probably. Love overcomes evil, but only if we WORK at it. Love is a feeling, and love is also actions. We all must do what we can, when we can.
The snow this morning is gorgeous, and everything looks so CLEAN! (Thanks. I needed that. . . .)
Michael-as-warrior doesn't preclude him also being loving, tender, kind, and emotional. People are complicated. Yet, his message at the end of This is It (movie) was urgent. "This is it" was about a lot of things, but primarily, "it is NOW that we must make changes if we are to save the planet." Each person must do what he/she can, as possible, given all the responsibilities of life?
Does evil exist? Of course. I saw Murray's video where he was basically saying "don't worry. Be happy." He was clueless. He seems like an "affable man." It remains unknown if what he did to Michael was accidental, or deliberate. Evil? Probably. Love overcomes evil, but only if we WORK at it. Love is a feeling, and love is also actions. We all must do what we can, when we can.
The snow this morning is gorgeous, and everything looks so CLEAN! (Thanks. I needed that. . . .)