Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

In Michael there is a "simple complexity" that most people don't really understand. It is an irony, really, maybe even an oxymoron. But it's true. So simple...yet so hard to understand...so complex and complicated...yet so simple...how can that be??? Well, it is just the reality of it all.
 
Michael is L.O.V.E. Is difficult to describe Michael. There are no words that can describe it. For me, Michael has always been amazing in every way, in everything he did and always will be. This segment (Michaelmania) has everything to do with Michael. :yes::wub:

It is just that! Michael is the most beautiful way of love! We can not describe him, words can not measure this wonderful man! And I would love to had the chance to say it to him personally!
I know he knows the love from fans is sincere, I know he loves us too, he really does!
Well, I never can express how I feel about it! Never! All I know is that love grows every moment that it hurts in the chest! ='(
 
I actually, don't really know what to write, or how to put my thoughts together right now. It's a bit difficult at this moment and I don't really know why. Where do I start?


As I mentioned before, I've been lurking on this board (and this thread) for a while. I've been following things that have been said, over the past several months. I must say, you all, really, are quite intelligent, loving, AND imaginative people.


What I truly enjoy about this thread is not only how you have kept it alive (as Victoria83 stated), despite the circumstances, but all the insight and thoughtful input and creativity and love is quite the blessing. Also your outpouring of love not just for Michael, but for each other, as well. it touches the heart and soul. Few people on this earth love/d Michael as much as or more than his fans. Something Michael has always been able to do is both bring people together in unity, and be a division to people, as well. But everything Michael is, everything he stands for, is Love, and Healing. His work continues beyond life; through family, friends, loved ones, fans, and anyone else inspired.


Remember: a body is simply a house for the spirit and soul, to live in while on this physical plane. The spirit and soul are able to do so much more once they transcend the body. Love, is even greater. Dancing, is even better. Spinning...not enough words to express it. It all has to do with love and unity/oneness.


I am just writing down my thoughts, and it seems a little random or nonchalant. I may not be making much sense to most of you. But SOME of you, do know what I am talking about. but the fact is, and I KNOW this for a fact, that Michael found a lot of love, right here on this thread. He got to know you. Some of you, quite well. Incognito, of course, to a degree. Other times quite in-your-face!


So did Michael find love in the dark? Well that question is moot as it has already been discussed and discovered that yes, he did. But he also found love, in the LIGHT. The love of YOUR light. may it ever shine! Michael asked a question, "Will You Be There?" to someone. So even when his "love(s) in the dark" may have faltered, YOU were always there for him! You stood by him through everything, defended and stood up for him (and even wrote about him) during his trials and tribulations, and just so much. You have loved him like no one else. you've been his "bride", so to speak, faithful and true. Yet, as stated by Victoria, "touch" has eluded him for varying reasons. He could never get close enough to the people he loved the very most (aside from his children). Or anyone else, for that matter. The simple fact of his identity prevented that. But, he provided his own evidences of his having been here, and you all caught on, so well done! But how else could he really have "touched" you? Your presence through the little things he wore and did was his way of quietly recipricating his love for YOU, and having YOUR touch near to HIM. Out of the box? absolutely.


In the days, weeks, and months since his passing, much more love poured out from around the world than Michael would have thought possible. And I think you all even have expressed that you didn't realize how much you loved him, until suddenly he was gone. This thread is about L O V E, love. And that's what Michael has always been about. It is unfortunate that so many people in this world simply weren't mentally nor spiritually ready for the kind of love he offered. Others, were. The fans of Michael are a special people; they are more rooted in a deep LOVE for him than simple fanatacism. People can't deny the love his mere presence has always emanated, and so many people recipricated in whatever way they could... whether that's in the positive, or the negative. They still do. And it didn't matter where in the world Michael was, people on the other side of the earth could still feel him. I know that it still happens, too...people feeling him even now. His spirit is powerful.


I am writing as I feel led, as usual. I know that all of you here are very special people, and so many out there mis-understand the love you have. Remember that Michael loved you back, even those he didn't know very well. I won't invade anyone's privacy, however, by naming those of you he DID know. You already know who you are.


So, congratulations on a job well done in this thread. And I feel for the loss of those who are no longer with you here. I believe some still had more to say, before disapearring w/o a trace. and so many of you, have been such a support to others here, it's incredible.


I'm contemplating now whether I should post this at all. Believe it or not it's a tough decision to make. I've been working on this post for several days, actually. I just know that I love having been here, and I am glad I am now making myself seen and heard. My goodness, you all have meant so much to Michael, you have to know that. Really. I know it in my heart and soul, and every fiber of my being.

God bless you all and I look forward to posting more on occasion.

Thank you. This was absolutely beautiful.

Will You Be There was a pivotal song. I believe it was written for someone he loved, but could not touch. . . . . . . And the same with her. The song always makes me cry. And now? I can no longer listen to it. It seems that he did not know if she was "real," or of this earth (the angel descends and blankets him with love, with her wings?), or not. Maybe he hoped?

Yes, "spinning" is even better than dancing. . . .

Thanks, everyone, for the depth and insights, and LOVE, of this thread. Beautiful. . . . .

Victoria
 
Thank you. This was absolutely beautiful.

Will You Be There was a pivotal song. I believe it was written for someone he loved, but could not touch. . . . . . . And the same with her. The song always makes me cry. And now? I can no longer listen to it. It seems that he did not know if she was "real," or of this earth (the angel descends and blankets him with love, with her wings?), or not. Maybe he hoped?

Yes, "spinning" is even better than dancing. . . .

Thanks, everyone, for the depth and insights, and LOVE, of this thread. Beautiful. . . . .

Victoria

I've been trying to write something in response...something or someone won't let me finish it or post it. Ok, I GET THE PICTURE! I won't write it.
 
Victoria, do something for me? Listen to two songs. If you have to cry, cry. Please bring yourself to listen to these two songs in sequence: Will You Be There, and I'll Be There. Be strong, be courageous, and listen in love and Faith. I'm not TELLING you what to do, because nobody can do that, but I am simply ASKING.

And your welcome, for me making that big long post. It took a lot of thought, and effort, but it came straight from the heart. Blessings and hugs to you.
 
Victoria, do something for me? Listen to two songs. If you have to cry, cry. Please bring yourself to listen to these two songs in sequence: Will You Be There, and I'll Be There. Be strong, be courageous, and listen in love and Faith. I'm not TELLING you what to do, because nobody can do that, but I am simply ASKING.

And your welcome, for me making that big long post. It took a lot of thought, and effort, but it came straight from the heart. Blessings and hugs to you.

Thank you. I'm not quite ready to do that, but will have to gear up for it? But soon? (today) And I'll get a box of tissues. I find it difficult, still, to listen to ANY of Michael's music at all. Doesn't matter, really. I can hear it all in my mind. What a MAGNIFICENT body of work!

Mostly I've stayed away from posting in this thread, although I do read here. I think most folks on MJJC don't quite understand it?

I had a strange thing happen this afternoon (strange things happen to me often. . they just DO?) I read Justus' long post, and was very moved by it, but also somehow unsettled. (Maybe I'll explain. . maybe not. . . .) I then went to the grocery store. I have plenty of food, but my TEN animals needed food. That would be my five cats (all rescues, some of them "differently abled"), and the five raccoons I seem to be supporting! (long story). Anyway, it's a strange day, in general. A cold-front is moving through. I live in the mountains, and we have wild weather, often. Parts of the sky were blue, and parts had dark clouds. I was driving, and thinking about that post. I believe in a "higher power." Some people do not, and that's ok. But I DO. So at first I thought I'd ask for a sign. . . from the "higher power." But when I asked, instead, I asked Michael! What happened next was a small, random thing. Nothing, really. A LARGE raindrop fell on the windshield of my car. Huge, maybe two inches across. Then a space of about ten seconds, and a second huge raindrop fell. That was all. . . . .

(Justus, I've sent you a PM.)

Carry on,

Vic
 
I truly believe in signs Victoria. :)

I also know what you mean about listening to Michaels music. Last week was the first time since that day that I was able to but only because "Man in the Mirror" came on the radio on my way to work. I told myself, just listen. I sobbed the entire time it was on, just a mess when I got to the parking garage at work. Now, slowly I put one cd back into my car and have been listening to only 2 songs over and over and I'm not sure why "Another Part of Me" and "I Just Can't Stop Loving You". I know for myself getting to this point of listening to Michaels voice has been very difficult. Take your time. You'll know when the time is right for you. Maybe you'll get another sign. :)
 
I truly believe in signs Victoria. :)

I also know what you mean about listening to Michaels music. Last week was the first time since that day that I was able to but only because "Man in the Mirror" came on the radio on my way to work. I told myself, just listen. I sobbed the entire time it was on, just a mess when I got to the parking garage at work. Now, slowly I put one cd back into my car and have been listening to only 2 songs over and over and I'm not sure why "Another Part of Me" and "I Just Can't Stop Loving You". I know for myself getting to this point of listening to Michaels voice has been very difficult. Take your time. You'll know when the time is right for you. Maybe you'll get another sign. :)

I have "signs," daily. With signs, some are wishful thinking/imagination, and others transcend that. Those songs, that Justus recommended, are still very difficult for me.

They are these (plus "I'll Be There." For that there are both child and adult versions.)

MTV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvYygjcMDdQ

Concert version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iPWeu33s34

The first is the MTV Anniversary special. In this one, a black angel descends. The second is a concert performance. In this version, the angel has red hair and light skin. He cries at the spoken part, in both versions. I still can't watch all of them, yet. Maybe later?
 
Beware folks, I have the feeling a rather long post is coming up. I guess it is true – the more things change, the more they stay the same. It is strange though to come back to this particular thread after June 25th. I meant to intervene a little earlier, but I got caught up in some other issues. I hope I'll remember all the things I wanted to write. As always with these kind of posts, they relate to all kinds of stuff, not necessarily to the exact previous line of thought.

During the last month I have had the priviledge to attend two public events celebrating Michael's life and work. On both ocassions – on his birthday and the Sunday before last -I felt an overwhelming sense of joy, hope, serenity, but above all love. I actually resent the word 'fan' because it comes from fanaticism and I like to think that isn't the proper word to describe my feelings towards Michael, but it certainly felt good to be among people of the same spirit sharing the admiration and the love for the man. What I loved most about both events was the diversity of the crowd, especially in terms of age – from toddlers to old folks. The most emotional moments which actually made me cry both times were related to 'Heal the world' when people were holding hands and dancing together in circle and singing the lyrics to the song. I felt those moments symbolized what Michael's life, struggle and example have always been about – caring about others, loving them and protecting this world we are leaving behind as legacy to our children and our grandchildren, and truth be told, we are leaving it in a rather wretched state.

Justus recalled earlier Michael's complexity and simplicity. Indeed, he was such a simple, yet complex man. He led a life most of us cannot begin to imagine – working 95% of it, being insanely famous for almost 80% of it, achieving so much and hurting so much. No other man in history has been this famous, this long, achieved as much or suffered as much in terms of their identity, innocence and work being questioned to the nth degree. It is no wonder the man kept manequins as friends, it is no wonder he could not relate to the ordinary joys of life like standing in line at the coffee shop, buying a lotto ticket or walking the dog in the park. In spite of living such an isolated life, he could express our inner most feelings and relate to that core which makes us all human no matter our race, age, gender, nationality or religion. He tapped into that fountain which makes human nature so beautiful – those honest, deep desires we all have no matter the longitude, the latitude or age of history we live in – what we basically all look for is unconditional love and a safe and serene environment in which to raise children and share life with those we love most, whilst also helping, when we can, those less fortunate than us. It is all so simple, isn't it? This actually reminds me of a great quote, whose author I unfortunately do not remember and it goes something like this – people use complicated words to say simple things when they should be using simple words to say complicated things. And in that spirit and recalling Heal the world which I mentioned earlier – are there any more sublime words than “stop existing and start living?” Those five simple words have an entire philosophy of life behind them and demonstrate so exquisitely how simple and yet complex Michael was.


There are two other, maybe three issues on my mind right now as they pertain to this discussion. The first came about a few pages back and it deals with June 25th and the burdensome questions addressed to God. Although my faith in the Lord is steadfast, I must confess that I could not help but wonder why and especially why now? In my version of things he was supposed to be the post-modern day Job – after being tested in so many ways, the second part of his life would be even greater in rewards than the first. I foolishly believed that after the trial, he could do anything; if he had passed through that ordeal, nothing was impossible. He was supposed to get married a third and final time, for the first time before the Lord, have some kids trying to beat his dad's record, if not coming close to it....In my imagination he would put out a final pop album, an unplugged session and even an album featuring the most amazing national/regional artists (such as Xavier Naidoo in Germany or Adriano Celentano in Italy – both of whom are greatly talented, spiritually and socially aware men, as Michael) and then I 'saw' him witness his complete vindication before the entire world, him being an elder statesman not only of entertainment, but world affairs going around the world and lecturing about the state of the world. I saw all this for many decades to come and I would have given all of it if only he could have lived peacefully away from the prying eyes of the world together with his three little angels. I've probably went through every stage of grieving since late June, from denial to acceptance, except for maybe anger. I am saddened by the capacity of man to hurt fellow man, but I cannot feel angry. The only option I have is to trust God – He knows everything and I don't. We now see partially and probably can't see the forrest because of the trees, but one day all will be revealed.


A few days ago I discovered a very special performance of Ben http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U36DO_nrJeA I don't know about yall, but my heart was shred to pieces when looking at that little boy's face, I saw such incomprehensible melancholy, sorrow and deep sadness that I just wished I could pull him out of the screen and give him a hug. I cannot begin or even dare to imagine what was taking place before or after that performance. And this is what hurts the most – that wonderful man which had suffered soooo much from such a tender age was so dreadfully alone. We all want and deserve true love in our lives, but boy did this kid deserve it more than any? I can only hope that Michael indeed found complete (intelectual, spiritual and physical) love in someone before his departure, otherwise it wouldn't have been fair. Someone he could sing to something like Adriano Celentano's “L'emozione non ha voce” (emotion doesn't have a voice)....

You can listen to this wonderful song here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrkXI2P1qIk

And the translation courtesy of Google, with a tiny bit of help goes something like this:

I can not speak of love,
emotion has no voice
And I lack a little breathing
if you're near, there's too much light

My soul spreads
as music summer
then you know the urge takes me
and comes on with your kisses

I with you will be very honest
I'll remain what I am
Dishonest never, I swear
but if you betray, I won't forgive

I will be forever your friend,
even jealous as you know
I know I contradict myself
but precious are you to me

Sleep in my arms
peacefully
it is important that you know
for us to feel fully us

Give me another life
I do not know
thou shalt be my companion
until I know that you will want it

Two different characters
are easily ignited
but divided we lost
we feel almost nothing
We are tied together by
a love that gives us
the deep conviction
that no one will divide us


Sleep in my arms
peacefully
it is important that you know
for us to feel fully us

Give me another life
I do not know
thou shalt be my companion
till you want

then we'll live as you know
only with sincerity
love and trust,
then it will be what it will be

Chorus:
Sleep in my arms
peacefully
it is important that you know
for us to feel fully us
Fully us uhu uhu

I loove the line 'se ci sei, c'e tropa luce' (if u're near there's too much light), I think it sooo poetic, so beautiful and so raw.

I really hope Michael knew how beautiful he was and how loved he was. Whenever I see that sea of people underneath his hotel window in Will you be there, I can't help but feel both proud and sad. Proud that he could summon such love and attention from people, but sadness that he was all alone. Lord only knows if Michael found earthly love, but I hope at least now we will listen to his message. After all, LOVE IS HIS MESSAGE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3bjqcceU5Q He already said so long ago :happy:

P.S. Sorry again about the length of the post and congrats to the brave souls who ventured into it. Hugs and love to everyone and to those of you still struggling to listen to Michael's music...take all the time you need, in the end you will see you can make it through the songs with a smile on your face. :yes:
 
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I actually, don't really know what to write, or how to put my thoughts together right now. It's a bit difficult at this moment and I don't really know why. Where do I start?


As I mentioned before, I've been lurking on this board (and this thread) for a while. I've been following things that have been said, over the past several months. I must say, you all, really, are quite intelligent, loving, AND imaginative people.


What I truly enjoy about this thread is not only how you have kept it alive (as Victoria83 stated), despite the circumstances, but all the insight and thoughtful input and creativity and love is quite the blessing. Also your outpouring of love not just for Michael, but for each other, as well. it touches the heart and soul. Few people on this earth love/d Michael as much as or more than his fans. Something Michael has always been able to do is both bring people together in unity, and be a division to people, as well. But everything Michael is, everything he stands for, is Love, and Healing. His work continues beyond life; through family, friends, loved ones, fans, and anyone else inspired.


Remember: a body is simply a house for the spirit and soul, to live in while on this physical plane. The spirit and soul are able to do so much more once they transcend the body. Love, is even greater. Dancing, is even better. Spinning...not enough words to express it. It all has to do with love and unity/oneness.


I am just writing down my thoughts, and it seems a little random or nonchalant. I may not be making much sense to most of you. But SOME of you, do know what I am talking about. but the fact is, and I KNOW this for a fact, that Michael found a lot of love, right here on this thread. He got to know you. Some of you, quite well. Incognito, of course, to a degree. Other times quite in-your-face!


So did Michael find love in the dark? Well that question is moot as it has already been discussed and discovered that yes, he did. But he also found love, in the LIGHT. The love of YOUR light. may it ever shine! Michael asked a question, "Will You Be There?" to someone. So even when his "love(s) in the dark" may have faltered, YOU were always there for him! You stood by him through everything, defended and stood up for him (and even wrote about him) during his trials and tribulations, and just so much. You have loved him like no one else. you've been his "bride", so to speak, faithful and true. Yet, as stated by Victoria, "touch" has eluded him for varying reasons. He could never get close enough to the people he loved the very most (aside from his children). Or anyone else, for that matter. The simple fact of his identity prevented that. But, he provided his own evidences of his having been here, and you all caught on, so well done! But how else could he really have "touched" you? Your presence through the little things he wore and did was his way of quietly recipricating his love for YOU, and having YOUR touch near to HIM. Out of the box? absolutely.


In the days, weeks, and months since his passing, much more love poured out from around the world than Michael would have thought possible. And I think you all even have expressed that you didn't realize how much you loved him, until suddenly he was gone. This thread is about L O V E, love. And that's what Michael has always been about. It is unfortunate that so many people in this world simply weren't mentally nor spiritually ready for the kind of love he offered. Others, were. The fans of Michael are a special people; they are more rooted in a deep LOVE for him than simple fanatacism. People can't deny the love his mere presence has always emanated, and so many people recipricated in whatever way they could... whether that's in the positive, or the negative. They still do. And it didn't matter where in the world Michael was, people on the other side of the earth could still feel him. I know that it still happens, too...people feeling him even now. His spirit is powerful.


I am writing as I feel led, as usual. I know that all of you here are very special people, and so many out there mis-understand the love you have. Remember that Michael loved you back, even those he didn't know very well. I won't invade anyone's privacy, however, by naming those of you he DID know. You already know who you are.


So, congratulations on a job well done in this thread. And I feel for the loss of those who are no longer with you here. I believe some still had more to say, before disapearring w/o a trace. and so many of you, have been such a support to others here, it's incredible.


I'm contemplating now whether I should post this at all. Believe it or not it's a tough decision to make. I've been working on this post for several days, actually. I just know that I love having been here, and I am glad I am now making myself seen and heard. My goodness, you all have meant so much to Michael, you have to know that. Really. I know it in my heart and soul, and every fiber of my being.

God bless you all and I look forward to posting more on occasion.

Okay that post just made me cry (literally). :boohoo: It was so beautiful. And it just made me realize ONCE AGAIN (like I seem to be doing several times a day still) how MUCH I miss Michael. It SO touches my heart when I see people write beautiful things about Michael and the kind of person he was and the kind of "power" he had. It just makes my heart so happy because that was the Michael WE saw...and always hoped the rest of the world would see or even just TRY to see as well.

Just like you, I'm having trouble finding the right words for a reply. It seems I can't really get myself into writing down much about Michael, what he meant to me, etc. I've been intending to write a post on my blog about Michael since the day he died...but I have not been able to get myself to do it to this day. When ever I even just think about it it feels I have so much to say that even just the thought seems to "exhaust" me emotionally. Like, there is so much I want to say it would take me DAYs to write it down and no space on any blog would be enough for it. It would just be too long. Also, like I said, it is so hard to find the right words. And I guess part of what is stopping me is my own self going"Come on...you didn't even KNOW him...stop being so sad. It's not like you were FRIENDS with him. Snap out of it already!". But no matter how I try I just can't stop missing Michael and being sad. Mostly because it breaks my heart to know what a BEAUTIFUL PERSON he was...and to know he is gone. It doesn't seem to matter that I didn't know him personally...it's knowing how UNIQUE he was that makes me sad. There was and never will be another person like Michael. He was so INCREDIABLY talented....that alone is SUCH a loss. But at least we have the albums and short films left to give some comfort. But then his personality was just so beautiful and unique also and THAT makes me cry bitter tears....because it is SO UNFAIR that he is gone. There was nothing weird about him...there was nothing "wacky" about him....and I so wish people could have understood him. Or even just TRIED. It makes me cry to know what a beautiful person he was and then know what kind of pain he had to endure...simply because people were ignorant. In a way it seems it was all the hateful people in this world who killed Michael. Maybe if they all had been a little nicer, Michael would still be with us? I hope all of those who made fun of Michael and were mean to him while he lived, looked into their hearts (if they have one) when Michael died and realized what they did.

Anyways, I don't really know what my point is...all I know is that I could go on and on about how beautiful Michael was. He was such a big part of my life, even when I didn't know him at all...but simply because I so admired him and looked up to him. To me he was the most beautiful soul on this earth...and I always wished there were more people like Michael on this planet. He gave me SO MANY happy moments...so many beautiful memories I can look back to and smile...through his music, performances, etc. And one thing he brought was friends. No matter how hard it may be to find friends in "real life"...no matter how "rejected" you may be....when you went to a place Michael went...all there was, was love. The fans welcomed you the way you were, no one ever had to be alone...we were all there, united, loving each other and loving Michael. The HAPPIEST moments in my life have all been at MJ events. Simply because I felt truly loved and accepted. I always went alone...but I was never alone. And that was something that really comforted me after Michael died as well. When I went to the O2 on July 13th for the vigil, I was scared I'll be alone. But no...I was welcomed by the REAL fans. Some who I had met just a few months before at MJ's hotel, some whom I only knew from MJJC. But we cried together, hugged each other...and it felt so good to be surrounded by people who knew EXACTLY what I was feeling. And it was comforting to know the people were all still there, even when Michael was gone. Kind of same thing with this thread....it is nice that it is still "alive". This thread was always fun to come to...something "magical" and "fun". A little "world of our own". Like a "refuge", almost. We've shared so many things in this thread, and it feels everyone is allowed to freely show what they feel and think, so it's nice. I haven't posted that much on this thread simply because I'm not so good with all the "theories", as I've said before. But I've always enjoyed reading this thread.

Anyways, I have no idea what my "point" is....But just wanted to reply and say thank you. Really loved your post. It was beautiful.

I just miss Michael so much....:boohoo: Not only his music, his voice, his performances...but even just the little cute random things he did...like him wearing clothes that don't match that always made me smile and think "Oh Michael...":smilerolleyes: because I thought it was cute because it was so "HIM" to do that. I just miss everything. :boohoo: And I wish he could come back. :boohoo: I keep praying to God that God could find a way to get him come back. I don't know HOW...but I leave that for God to figure out. I keep going through the ending of Moonwalker in my head... over and over again.. (the one where the kids are discussing the star..."his lucky star"...and Katie looks at the star and goes "It's not his lucky star? It's NOT! He's GONE!" and then she goes "I wish he'd come back"....and then a wind comes and Michael walks out from the fog and the kids run to hug him and MJ's like "I'm so happy to see you! You know I had to come back!"....and then they "go back to the club".) I know it's naive, but I keep going through that scene over and over again in my head and feel like if I believe in it hard enough, it will come true. I know it's just wishful thinking....but I keep praying to God it could come true anyway. I don't know how...but...I still keep praying. :cry:

Victoria, do something for me? Listen to two songs. If you have to cry, cry. Please bring yourself to listen to these two songs in sequence: Will You Be There, and I'll Be There. Be strong, be courageous, and listen in love and Faith. I'm not TELLING you what to do, because nobody can do that, but I am simply ASKING.

And your welcome, for me making that big long post. It took a lot of thought, and effort, but it came straight from the heart. Blessings and hugs to you.

I know that post was for Victoria...But I had to comment because I love those songs so much. And now they make me cry my eyes out. :boohoo: Not only because of the lyrics and beautiful melodies...but because there are so many memories attached to those songs as well. :cry: I couldn't get Will You Be There, I'll Be There and One Day In Your Life out of my head in London at the O2 on July 13th. I kept thinking "Michael...I said I'll be here in July...and I kept my word. I'm here." :cry: And when I was walking inside the O2 bubble...exactly where I had been just four months earlier. Exactly where I had seen Michael and had been SO HAPPY...I kept singing One Day In Your Life over and over again in my head.

One day in your life
you'll remember a place
Someone's touching your face
You'll come back and you'll look around you

One day in your life
You'll remember the love you found here
You'll remember me somehow
Though you don't need me now
I will stay in your heart
And when things fall apart
You'll remember one day... (That day being March 5th (and 6th) when I saw Michael for the very last time RIGHT THERE and was SO HAPPY...:boohoo:)

One day in your life
When you find that you're always waiting
For the love we used to share
Just call my name
And I'll be there (Again...Michael said in March "See you in July"...and I said I'll be there...and I was. Just like I said. :boohoo:)

Anyways, all those songs just make me cry so much now. And Man In The Mirror. I can't stop picturing Michael's casket at the Memorial when ever I hear Man In The Mirror now. :boohoo: And all the years of having been a fan run through my mind like a film when I hear that song. :cry: I wish I could go back to 1987 when I first became a fan...and re-live all the years of having been a fan again.


Thank you. I'm not quite ready to do that, but will have to gear up for it? But soon? (today) And I'll get a box of tissues. I find it difficult, still, to listen to ANY of Michael's music at all. Doesn't matter, really. I can hear it all in my mind. What a MAGNIFICENT body of work!

Mostly I've stayed away from posting in this thread, although I do read here. I think most folks on MJJC don't quite understand it?

I had a strange thing happen this afternoon (strange things happen to me often. . they just DO?) I read Justus' long post, and was very moved by it, but also somehow unsettled. (Maybe I'll explain. . maybe not. . . .) I then went to the grocery store. I have plenty of food, but my TEN animals needed food. That would be my five cats (all rescues, some of them "differently abled"), and the five raccoons I seem to be supporting! (long story). Anyway, it's a strange day, in general. A cold-front is moving through. I live in the mountains, and we have wild weather, often. Parts of the sky were blue, and parts had dark clouds. I was driving, and thinking about that post. I believe in a "higher power." Some people do not, and that's ok. But I DO. So at first I thought I'd ask for a sign. . . from the "higher power." But when I asked, instead, I asked Michael! What happened next was a small, random thing. Nothing, really. A LARGE raindrop fell on the windshield of my car. Huge, maybe two inches across. Then a space of about ten seconds, and a second huge raindrop fell. That was all. . . . .

(Justus, I've sent you a PM.)

Carry on,

Vic

Vic, I think I know what you're trying to say. The same thing happened to me only a few days after Michael died. I was walking down the street, really sad...with tears in my eyes...thinking about Michael. And all of the sudden it started raining. Out of a clear sky. Coincidence, maybe...Anyways, I think I know what you meant. :yes:
 
And finally, the last song in "Justus'" request? "I'll Be There." Not the "child-song," but THIS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkN9BGAAGYU&feature=PlayList&p=2037C8C14400DF71&index=77

Try to see beyond this as representative of a particular religion, ok? Because not all of us on this board share the same religion? As a multinational board? See it as universal?

OMG, he was so very lonely. . . And so very, very beautiful. . . . truly.

peace,

Victoria
 
Beware folks, I have the feeling a rather long post is coming up. I guess it is true – the more things change, the more they stay the same. It is strange though to come back to this particular thread after June 25th. I meant to intervene a little earlier, but I got caught up in some other issues. I hope I'll remember all the things I wanted to write. As always with these kind of posts, they relate to all kinds of stuff, not necessarily to the exact previous line of thought.

During the last month I have had the priviledge to attend two public events celebrating Michael's life and work. On both ocassions – on his birthday and the Sunday before last -I felt an overwhelming sense of joy, hope, serenity, but above all love. I actually resent the word 'fan' because it comes from fanaticism and I like to think that isn't the proper word to describe my feelings towards Michael, but it certainly felt good to be among people of the same spirit sharing the admiration and the love for the man. What I loved most about both events was the diversity of the crowd, especially in terms of age – from toddlers to old folks. The most emotional moments which actually made me cry both times were related to 'Heal the world' when people were holding hands and dancing together in circle and singing the lyrics to the song. I felt those moments symbolized what Michael's life, struggle and example have always been about – caring about others, loving them and protecting this world we are leaving behind as legacy to our children and our grandchildren, and truth be told, we are leaving it in a rather wretched state.

Justus recalled earlier Michael's complexity and simplicity. Indeed, he was such a simple, yet complex man. He led a life most of us cannot begin to imagine – working 95% of it, being insanely famous for almost 80% of it, achieving so much and hurting so much. No other man in history has been this famous, this long, achieved as much or suffered as much in terms of their identity, innocence and work being questioned to the nth degree. It is no wonder the man kept manequins as friends, it is no wonder he could not relate to the ordinary joys of life like standing in line at the coffee shop, buying a lotto ticket or walking the dog in the park. In spite of living such an isolated life, he could express our inner most feelings and relate to that core which makes us all human no matter our race, age, gender, nationality or religion. He tapped into that fountain which makes human nature so beautiful – those honest, deep desires we all have no matter the longitude, the latitude or age of history we live in – what we basically all look for is unconditional love and a safe and serene environment in which to raise children and share life with those we love most, whilst also helping, when we can, those less fortunate than us. It is all so simple, isn't it? This actually reminds me of a great quote, whose author I unfortunately do not remember and it goes something like this – people use complicated words to say complicated things when they should be using simple words to say complicated things. And in that spirit and recalling Heal the world which I mentioned earlier – are there any more sublime words than “stop existing and start living?” Those five simple words have an entire philosophy of life behind them and demonstrate so exquisitely how simple and yet complex Michael was.


There are two other, maybe three issues on my mind right now as they pertain to this discussion. The first came about a few pages back and it deals with June 25th and the burdensome questions addressed to God. Although my faith in the Lord is steadfast, I must confess that I could not help but wonder why and especially why now? In my version of things he was supposed to be the post-modern day Job – after being tested in so many ways, the second part of his life would be even greater in rewards than the first. I foolishly believed that after the trial, he could do anything; if he had passed through that ordeal, nothing was impossible. He was supposed to get married a third and final time, for the first time before the Lord, have some kids trying to beat his dad's record, if not coming close to it....In my imagination he would put out a final pop album, an unplugged session and even an album featuring the most amazing national/regional artists (such as Xavier Naidoo in Germany or Adriano Celentano in Italy – both of whom are greatly talented, spiritually and socially aware men, as Michael) and then I 'saw' him witness his complete vindication before the entire world, him being an elder statesman not only of entertainment, but world affairs going around the world and lecturing about the state of the world. I saw all this for many decades to come and I would have given all of it if only he could have lived peacefully away from the prying eyes of the world together with his three little angels. I've probably went through every stage of grieving since late June, from denial to acceptance, except for maybe anger. I am saddened by the capacity of man to hurt fellow man, but I cannot feel angry. The only option I have is to trust God – He knows everything and I don't. We now see partially and probably can't see the forrest because of the trees, but one day all will be revealed.


A few days ago I discovered a very special performance of Ben http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U36DO_nrJeA I don't know about yall, but my heart was shred to pieces when looking at that little boy's face, I saw such incomprehensible melancholy, sorrow and deep sadness that I just wished I could pull him out of the screen and give him a hug. I cannot begin or even dare to imagine what was taking place before or after that performance. And this is what hurts the most – that wonderful man which had suffered soooo much from such a tender age was so dreadfully alone. We all want and deserve true love in our lives, but boy did this kid deserve it more than any? I can only hope that Michael indeed found complete (intelectual, spiritual and physical) love in someone before his departure, otherwise it wouldn't have been fair. Someone he could sing to something like Adriano Celentano's “L'emozione non ha voce” (emotion doesn't have a voice)....

You can listen to this wonderful song here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrkXI2P1qIk

And the translation courtesy of Google, with a tiny bit of help goes something like this:

I can not speak of love,
emotion has no voice
And I lack a little breathing
if you're near, there's too much light

My soul spreads
as music summer
then you know the urge takes me
and comes on with your kisses

I with you will be very honest
I'll remain what I am
Dishonest never, I swear
but if you betray, I won't forgive

I will be forever your friend,
even jealous as you know
I know I contradict myself
but precious are you to me

Sleep in my arms
peacefully
it is important that you know
for us to feel fully us

Give me another life
I do not know
thou shalt be my companion
until I know that you will want it

Two different characters
are easily ignited
but divided we lost
we feel almost nothing
We are tied together by
a love that gives us
the deep conviction
that no one will divide us


Sleep in my arms
peacefully
it is important that you know
for us to feel fully us

Give me another life
I do not know
thou shalt be my companion
till you want

then we'll live as you know
only with sincerity
love and trust,
then it will be what it will be

Chorus:
Sleep in my arms
peacefully
it is important that you know
for us to feel fully us
Fully us uhu uhu

I loove the line 'se ci sei, c'e tropa luce' (if u're near there's too much light), I think it sooo poetic, so beautiful and so raw.

I really hope Michael knew how beautiful he was and how loved he was. Whenever I see that sea of people underneath his hotel window in Will you be there, I can't help but feel both proud and sad. Proud that he could summon such love and attention from people, but sadness that he was all alone. Lord only knows if Michael found earthly love, but I hope at least now we will listen to his message. After all, LOVE IS HIS MESSAGE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3bjqcceU5Q He already said so long ago :happy:

P.S. Sorry again about the length of the post and congrats to the brave souls who ventured into it. Hugs and love to everyone and to those of you still struggling to listen to Michael's music...take all the time you need, in the end you will see you can make it through the songs with a smile on your face. :yes:


My feelings exactly. Loved your post! Beautiful! Thanks! :hug:
 
And finally, the last song in "Justus'" request? "I'll Be There." Not the "child-song," but THIS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkN9BGAAGYU&feature=PlayList&p=2037C8C14400DF71&index=77

Try to see beyond this as representative of a particular religion, ok? Because not all of us on this board share the same religion? As a multinational board? See it as universal?

OMG, he was so very lonely. . . And so very, very beautiful. . . . truly.

peace,

Victoria

omg I went to that exact same version not quite 45 min. ago!!

same with the other two. meaning, same versions, same sources, everything.
 
talking about signs..
I was on the bus 4 days ago, and I was thinking 'Michael can't leave, it simply cant be true, it cant!'
Then the bus stopped, and two boys came in, one of them was wearing a mj t-shirt that had a black and white picture and in the corner it said 'gone but not forever'..
 
talking about signs..
I was on the bus 4 days ago, and I was thinking 'Michael can't leave, it simply cant be true, it cant!'
Then the bus stopped, and two boys came in, one of them was wearing a mj t-shirt that had a black and white picture and in the corner it said 'gone but not forever'..

I believe you.

In the song I just posted (Ecstasy) she sings, "I love you more than music." Is there any greater love than that?
 
I believe you.

In the song I just posted (Ecstasy) she sings, "I love you more than music." Is there any greater love than that?

Wow that is beautiful.

What other signs have you had, Victoria?
Something else happened to me just a few days after. I said to God.. (I normally don't know if I believe in god, but I guess I do, when I don't know who else to turn to..) so I said, dear god, if there's still a chance, if Michael is still here, give me a sign, and I said if a child gives me a daisy, then I believe. I think that was 3-4 days after.
Then on the 4th of July I went to a wedding, and it was beautiful, it was in a forest pavillion, then when I arrived I first went to the brides brother in law who was sitting with his little daughter 2 years old, a bit away from all the guests who had arrived, so I kneeled down besides them .. when I saw my friend in her wedding dress I just started crying (again), then in the next moment the girl turned around, really fast as if something made her do it, and then she gave me a daisy..
And it was not like I had sat with 100s of children, I think she was the first child I was in contact with since I had wished for it to happen..
What do you think..?
 
Wow that is beautiful.

What other signs have you had, Victoria?
Something else happened to me just a few days after. I said to God.. (I normally don't know if I believe in god, but I guess I do, when I don't know who else to turn to..) so I said, dear god, if there's still a chance, if Michael is still here, give me a sign, and I said if a child gives me a daisy, then I believe. I think that was 3-4 days after.
Then on the 4th of July I went to a wedding, and it was beautiful, it was in a forest pavillion, then when I arrived I first went to the brides brother in law who was sitting with his little daughter 2 years old, a bit away from all the guests who had arrived, so I kneeled down besides them .. when I saw my friend in her wedding dress I just started crying (again), then in the next moment the girl turned around, really fast as if something made her do it, and then she gave me a daisy..
And it was not like I had sat with 100s of children, I think she was the first child I was in contact with since I had wished for it to happen..
What do you think..?

I personally think that was beautiful. :) but that's Just Me.
 
Wow that is beautiful.

What other signs have you had, Victoria?
Something else happened to me just a few days after. I said to God.. (I normally don't know if I believe in god, but I guess I do, when I don't know who else to turn to..) so I said, dear god, if there's still a chance, if Michael is still here, give me a sign, and I said if a child gives me a daisy, then I believe. I think that was 3-4 days after.
Then on the 4th of July I went to a wedding, and it was beautiful, it was in a forest pavillion, then when I arrived I first went to the brides brother in law who was sitting with his little daughter 2 years old, a bit away from all the guests who had arrived, so I kneeled down besides them .. when I saw my friend in her wedding dress I just started crying (again), then in the next moment the girl turned around, really fast as if something made her do it, and then she gave me a daisy..
And it was not like I had sat with 100s of children, I think she was the first child I was in contact with since I had wished for it to happen..
What do you think..?

I think you had your sign. . .
 
So did Michael find love in the dark? Well that question is moot as it has already been discussed and discovered that yes, he did. But he also found love, in the LIGHT. The love of YOUR light. may it ever shine! Michael asked a question, "Will You Be There?" to someone. So even when his "love(s) in the dark" may have faltered, YOU were always there for him! You stood by him through everything, defended and stood up for him (and even wrote about him) during his trials and tribulations, and just so much. You have loved him like no one else. you've been his "bride", so to speak, faithful and true. Yet, as stated by Victoria, "touch" has eluded him for varying reasons. He could never get close enough to the people he loved the very most (aside from his children). Or anyone else, for that matter. The simple fact of his identity prevented that. But, he provided his own evidences of his having been here, and you all caught on, so well done! But how else could he really have "touched" you? Your presence through the little things he wore and did was his way of quietly recipricating his love for YOU, and having YOUR touch near to HIM. Out of the box? absolutely.

Wow. It's heartwarming to know that us fans, (MJ's collective "bride") were able to help him feel loved even when his love ... or loves (plural now I'm learning I guess) in the dark failed him for whatever reason. This way he was able to always feel loved 24/7/365.
 
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This way he was able to always feel loved 24/7/365.
:scratch:

I was curious. lol! These numbers mean something? Numerology? I would like to know about it. :D

Or.... Is that what I'm thinking:

24/7/365

2 +4 = 6 / 7 / 3 +6 +5 = 14 >>> 1 + 4 = 5 >>>> 6 +7 +5 = 18 >>>>> 1+8 = 9


:smilerolleyes: :wild:
 
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