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Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

Michael is finally at a place now where there is ultimate peace and serenity...no hatred, no mean-ness, no unfairness, no sadness... just pure happiness & love. We on earth however, miss him very much.
 
I hope he is at peace..i :pray: that he is

But it must be hard 4 him though, seeing all this mess that is going on bout up from above
 
MysteriousPhoenix said:
This is a good question - one I've been asking myself quite a bit lately. I guess I just see every trying time like this one as some kind of test of faith, although some may disagree and say that sometimes bad things just happen because we live in an imperfect world. I think when something like this happens, God wants us to simply trust that He did the right thing or allowed the right thing to happen even though we don't understand it. It's like the song I had mentioned before MJ's passing ironically which repeats the chorus: "Even though we don't understand it, the Father does all things well." But I must admit though, in cases like this one, it is a real faith fight for me. I tend to look at things more in the natural with my fleshly eyes, and when I do, I can't for the life of me figure it out. I think we are supposed to look with our spiritual eyes more. I tend to go back and forth thinking that God knew what He was doing and other times questioning Him. Something like this is very hard. We just can't see how something like this could possibly be the right thing. I have to constantly remind myself that I don't know everything and that He knows things that I don't know. I don't know what was going on in MJ's world, but I try to take comfort in the fact that God knew exactly what was going on and He made a decision based on what He knew. I have to say that I don't really know what the happy ending would be in a case like this, it's been such a mystery to me, but I guess that's just the point - believing without seeing.
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Yes, you've expressed this very well because this is what everyone is indeed left with now.

I was thinking that when taking into account the things we do know, it could lead perhaps toward realizing that the title of Summer's story could be our solace - a kind of 'cool' comfort perhaps - but some solace.

For instance, some things we know are, one - "He does all things well" as MP pointed out, and we know that "God is Love".

We also know from MJ's highest form of expression, that being song, that it seems Michael was singing to "someone" whom he felt had a level of lonliness that matched his own and so, had in that sense, perhaps "met" his match, and perhaps that could be where it comes into play that ...

Things Aren't Always What They Seem
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Perhaps the reason that (based on the music) they did not seem to physically meet very often if at all, is because of the fact that everyone that both of them had ever physically "met" had found it necessary to hold their attention only on the physical aspects, whether it be "looks" or "thex" lol or "money" or "accomplishment" or "fame", "name" or whatever and perhaps God spared them both the agony and the ecstasy of all that being physically connected can entail, considering they both were experiencing abysmal levels of lonliness and needed to be "connected" where it really counts - in the spirit.

I say both because due to Michael's clues (if you also can easily view the eras of songs as a musical "braid" that overlaps eachother) he tells us many things about "her", eg., "she's sick and tired of being on the lonely merry-go-round", or she "woke" him from sleeping and told him that, "she was so sick and tired" (from PYT - demo which has caught my attention recently) which shows that he was "tuned in" with her lonliness - or, You Are Not Alone, where in the end adlibs he says, "you just reach out for me Girl! ... in the morning, in the evening - you and me! Together! Together..." - or Heaven Can Wait, "I don't wanna leave my baby alone", or For All Time, "if you feel alone I'll be your shoulder" or Hold My Hand, "we're better off being together, than being miserable alone"

Since he "communicated" these things through song (which come from the HIGEST Source) I wonder if its possible that this "connection" , being spiritual in nature, could have been the most important connection for him to have ever found in the end, thereby resulting in a fullfillment of a kind that only he could appreciate.


Maybe the point of this kind of love is that of appreciating who a person is in GOD'S eyes. And, when we consider the fact that when someone sees us through God's eyes, they see us, the TRUE being that we really ARE, the being that we were before we ever took our first breath, when they love us with the love of God, they love us,

So, maybe that spiritual connection is the beginning and the end of fullfillment for both of the two lonliest people in the world, who for their own reasons could not otherwise trust (the world's version or the common version of) love.

I realize the songs also talk about what he wanted them to do physically together too, but maybe just knowing that she saw him and was one with him, could have been, in a sense, all the fullfillment they really needed making the physical aspect pale in relation to the more fulfilling aspect of being loved for who one is. I'm sorry, how many ways have I said this same thing..

But, I mean, If that is the case, then maybe that was all that was called for from God's perspective too and maybe, just maybe, that just as with MJ's work over his lifetime being completed, maybe with "her", as far as God was concerned, (and MJ) maybe her "work" completed as well, maybe that's all God was trying to bless MJ with, and "her" as well - the ability to experience love on the earth plain in the purest form possible. Perhaps it is the only way it could have been accomplished without Michael having to spend the rest of his life worrying over trust.

God is Love. God Loves Love for Love's sake.

I think of the line from Eve's rap in Butterflies, "you got everything else you need". Maybe that spiritual love was really all that was missing.

I guess I'm saying that from "behind the veil", perhaps there was more fullfillment to all this than meets the eye.

Does that mean that she too is sufficiently fulfilled and is no longer lonely? Probably does not mean that, if for no other reason than the "curse" (for a believer in the bible)
that says, "thy desire shall be to thy husband ...", so maybe it will never go away,

but if its true that "God created woman for the sake of the man" then it could mean also that she is now more fulfilled from having been used by God to love, and maybe because of that, that very Love itself has lifted her higher, than she's ever been lifted before ..

.. and maybe because of the line that says "even death won't part us now" - maybe just maybe, she still gets to experience the reality of the fact that what MJ said is true - that, "love is the answer" (for all things)

and maybe, just maybe that too is a fulfillment in itself.

Maybe in the end, LOVE is what they both desired to help eachother to experience in the most spiritually meaningful way, and maybe they each trusted only to experience it in this non-physical way so as to trust the experience of loving someone (deeply, intimately and personally) at all....and/...or maybe nobody understood them like eachother did.

When you see in a person's eyes (the windows/mirrors to the soul) that aspect of yourself you dare not share with anyone else, it doesn't get more intimate and personal than that.

MJ made it clear in countless songs from era to era that "this girl" was a "hard case", so maybe his mission was fulfilled where she was concerned as well, and that was to make her feel love, which could be the reason he made such a blatantly simple statement in Give in To Me, that says, "love is a feeling".

So I do believe "they" did experience LOVE as the answer TOGETHER. :) and if so, then its all good because God is All and God is Love and God (Love) is always Good... all the time. - oh well, just another way of looking at it.

Thanks for sharing your story Summer about your dad. Everytime you write about your dad, it reminds me of my dad. :) Thank you again for sharing.
 
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The word Love encompassed Michael. He was an Amazing person with a Beautiful Heart and Soul. Everything he did, he did with Love. He always spoke from his heart and he truly was incredibly special. I believe he was sent from heaven to be put on this earth to inspire/help people through his music, to encourage everyone to love one another, and to promote peace on earth. He was an incredible person and he will live on in all of our hearts forever.
 
lulubelle said:
The word Love encompassed Michael. He was an Amazing person with a Beautiful Heart and Soul. Everything he did, he did with Love. He always spoke from his heart and he truly was incredibly special. I believe he was sent from heaven to be put on this earth to inspire/help people through his music, to encourage everyone to love one another, and to promote peace on earth. He was an incredible person and he will live on in all of our hearts forever.
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I agree with everything u wrote here
 
lulubelle said:
The word Love encompassed Michael. He was an Amazing person with a Beautiful Heart and Soul. Everything he did, he did with Love. He always spoke from his heart and he truly was incredibly special. I believe he was sent from heaven to be put on this earth to inspire/help people through his music, to encourage everyone to love one another, and to promote peace on earth. He was an incredible person and he will live on in all of our hearts forever.
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That was so beautiful, and I totally agree.

And StateOfShock, great post also! thanks! :)
 
Wow! That was profound SoS! You were really inspired! You made so many good points that I think I'll go back and read it again.
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Its difficult to convey some things in writing ...I think I'll read it again too - probably needs severely editing lol and thanks!

MysteriousPhoenix said:
How did he get so lucky? That little fat headed rascal!
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:giggle: and thanks for the comic relief!
 
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lulubelle said:
:) Hugs to all!
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HUGS to you too lulubelle (sorry I misspelled it the first time - I had an aunt who spelled it the other way :flowers: )

Hugs to lulubelle and all too :hug:

and I did edit it MP, btw!

:unsure: well ok its still long

but easier to read! :flowers: :giggle:

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^ :lol:

um ... :giggle: I think you mean ... "thex thells" :lol:
 
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Okay Guys, I had another dream lastnight!!!

I'm in a hurry but I'll try and remember as much detail as I can:

I see her sitting at the end of a bed with her head bowed and hands clasped together in her lap. She is alone in a hotel room and she is waiting for Michael. There is complete silence in the room. I can see the curtain is pulled to the left side, allowing a very good view. The one window is very large. She is wearing a dark blueish/turquoise dress with the back out. It criss crosses in the front allowing accenting her cleavage. She does not have small breast.

Within seconds, she knows he is outside of her door! She leaps up and goes straight to the large window with the curtain pulled to the side. She is all smiles when she sees Michael, who is smiling himself and looking straight ahead. As she looks at him, I can see, she is not looking outside but instead she is looking at whats occuring backstage at an event. The hotel is backstage at an event where Michael is about to go on. I can feel and hear the rumbling from ahead, where Michael is looking.
There are people around MJ but they are not closed in on him. No security has their hand on his arm or shoulders. He is walking almost freely....

This is the 90's MJ. His hair appears to have that short and wavy look. He is wearing the round shades that are not dark at all. The rims look gold plated or something. These are the kind of shades if you are wearing them, will show the person of whom you are speaking directly to in your face; would be able to see themselves almost like a mirror. He has dark jeans or pants on and they are tightly fit. His shirt or jacket is black with sparkly designs. I really can't make out the detail. I only saw this image very quickly, like a second or two.
He is smiling. I can see his teeth.

Without turning to see her there in the large window, he knows she is there waiting for him.
The next thing I see is him at the door. She runs to the door and places her hand on it as if she is feeling him. There is a diamond shape opening at the top of the door where Michael looks in and he can see her. She sees him looking in at her and they both smile at eachother.
She is giggly and very happy and so is he. There is no anxiety or fears. They are upbeat.

Within in seconds, Michael goes back to the large window. He wants her to come to it. I can see him leaning to his left and almost bending down as he waits for her. It is then, that I see. Michael has changed. As he waits only a half of a second for her to come to the window. I see this is the more recent Michael. No shades. No curls. His hair is longer and straight just like we had been seeing it for years now. He is dressed in a black dinner jacket and black slacks. He is all smiles as he waits to see her......

She emerges at the window and they both began to chuckle and giggle at one another. The people behind him are being patient. They are not pulling him away or standing at his shoulder. There is activity backstage with people getting ready and checking on props and talking with eachother but Michael and her are lost in this little cute game at the window.

And then all of a sudden, like a snapping of a finger, I see her standing out of the room and in Michael's arms. I never saw her or him open the door! But nonetheless, he is holding her in his arms and caressing her gently and lovingly. Both of their smiles never leaving their faces.
His right arm is around her waist. His left hand is holding her right hand. They are not dancing though this is a dance position. I can see her back again. It is very smooth, like a babies behind. Her hair is long and dark, past her shoulders a little. They both look ahead where i get the impression, people are awaiting and anticipating. There are also the paps there to take pictures.

I can clearly see this is a small woman. The top of her head is barely to his chest.

I see him looking down smiling very lovingly at her as he stills holds her with his right hand in his arm while holding her right hand with his left, She then takes both of her hands around his waist and slowly moves her hands up and down to feel him.

Their eyes tell eachother, " I love you". Without the spoken words and then the dream is over.

I wake up.

I will come back later and catch up on reading and your repsonses to this lastest dream.
 
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MJbabe21 said:
8701girl I really hope so too :pray:
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Moddie..dang u have the best dreams! :lol:
wow what can i say... it seems like mike has finally reached her and has let her know that is he alright :D

I think just knowing that hes still in her heart gives him so much strength, that even with him in being spirit wont hold him back from telling her " i love you- i always have & always will". And im also guessing its giving her strength knowing that michael love her and only her forever, remember true love never fades- it always forever even in death, it still strong as ever.
 
Moddie777 said:
Okay Guys, I had another dream lastnight!!!

I'm in a hurry but I'll try and remember as much detail as I can:

I see her sitting at the end of a bed with her her bowed and hands clasped together in her lap. She is alone in a hotel room and she is waiting for Michael. There is complete silence in the room. I can see the curtain is pulled to the left side, allowing a very good view. The one window is very large. She is wearing a dark blueish/turquoise dress with the back out. It criss crosses in the front allowing accenting her cleavage. She does not have small breast.

Within seconds, she knows he is outside of her door! She leaps up and goes straight to the large window with the curtain pulled to the side. She is all smiles when she sees Michael, who is smiling himself and looking straight ahead. As she looks at him, I can see, she is not looking outside but instead she is looking at whats occuring backstage at an event. The hotel is backstage at an event where Michael is about to go on. I can feel and hear the rumbling from ahead, where Michael is looking.
There are people around MJ but they are not closed in on him. No security has their hand on his arm or shoulders. He is walking almost freely....

This is the 90's MJ. His hair appears to have that short and wavy look. He is wearing the round shades that are not dark at all. The rims look gold plated or something. These are the kind of shades if you are wearing them, will show the person of whom you are speaking directly to in your face; would be able to see themselves almost like a mirror. He has dark jeans or pants on and they are tightly fit. His shirt or jacket is black with sparkly designs. I really can't make out the detail. I only saw this image very quickly, like a second or two.
He is smiling. I can see his teeth.

Without turning to see her there in the large window, he knows she is there waiting for him.
The next thing I see is him at the door. She runs to the door and places her hand on it as if she is feeling him. There is a diamond shape opening at the top of the door where Michael looks in and he can see her. She sees him looking in at her and they both smile at eachother.
She is giggly and very happy and so is he. There is no anxiety or fears. They are upbeat.

Within in seconds, Michael goes back to the large window. He wants her to come to it. I can see him leaning to his left and almost bending down as he waits for her. It is then, that I see. Michael has changed. As he waits only a half of a second for her to come to the window. I see this is the more recent Michael. No shades. No curls. His hair is longer and straight just like we had been seeing it for years now. He is dressed in a black dinner jacket and black slacks. He is all smiles as he waits to see her......

She emerges at the window and they both began to chuckle and giggle at one another. The people behind him are being patient. They are not pulling him away or standing at his shoulder. There is activity backstage with people getting ready and checking on props and talking with eachother but Michael and her are lost in this little cute game at the window.

And then all of a sudden, like a snapping of a finger, I see her standing out of the room and in Michael's arms. I never saw her or him open the door! But nonetheless, he is holding her in his arms and caressing her gently and lovingly. Both of their smiles never leaving their faces.
His right arm is around her waist. His left hand is holding her right hand. They are not dancing though this is a dance position. I can see her back again. It is very smooth, like a babies behind. Her hair is long and dark, past her shoulders a little. They both look ahead where i get the impression, people are awaiting and anticipating. There are also the paps there to take pictures.

I can clearly see this is a small woman. The top of her head is barely to his chest.

I see him looking down smiling very lovingly at her as he stills holds her with his right hand in his arm while holding her right hand with his left, She then takes both of her hands around his waist and slowly moves her hands up and down to feel him.

Their eyes tell eachother, " I love you". Without the spoken words and then the dream is over.

I wake up.

I will come back later and catch up on reading and your repsonses to this lastest dream.
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Wow Moddie what a sweet and loving dream. He was very in love with "her" and she was with him... You've never seen "her" face in your dream right?

This dream was very interesting Moddie.
 
Moddie777 said:
Okay Guys, I had another dream lastnight!!!

I'm in a hurry but I'll try and remember as much detail as I can:

I see her sitting at the end of a bed with her her bowed and hands clasped together in her lap. She is alone in a hotel room and she is waiting for Michael. There is complete silence in the room. I can see the curtain is pulled to the left side, allowing a very good view. The one window is very large. She is wearing a dark blueish/turquoise dress with the back out. It criss crosses in the front allowing accenting her cleavage. She does not have small breast.

Within seconds, she knows he is outside of her door! She leaps up and goes straight to the large window with the curtain pulled to the side. She is all smiles when she sees Michael, who is smiling himself and looking straight ahead. As she looks at him, I can see, she is not looking outside but instead she is looking at whats occuring backstage at an event. The hotel is backstage at an event where Michael is about to go on. I can feel and hear the rumbling from ahead, where Michael is looking.
There are people around MJ but they are not closed in on him. No security has their hand on his arm or shoulders. He is walking almost freely....

This is the 90's MJ. His hair appears to have that short and wavy look. He is wearing the round shades that are not dark at all. The rims look gold plated or something. These are the kind of shades if you are wearing them, will show the person of whom you are speaking directly to in your face; would be able to see themselves almost like a mirror. He has dark jeans or pants on and they are tightly fit. His shirt or jacket is black with sparkly designs. I really can't make out the detail. I only saw this image very quickly, like a second or two.
He is smiling. I can see his teeth.

Without turning to see her there in the large window, he knows she is there waiting for him.
The next thing I see is him at the door. She runs to the door and places her hand on it as if she is feeling him. There is a diamond shape opening at the top of the door where Michael looks in and he can see her. She sees him looking in at her and they both smile at eachother.
She is giggly and very happy and so is he. There is no anxiety or fears. They are upbeat.

Within in seconds, Michael goes back to the large window. He wants her to come to it. I can see him leaning to his left and almost bending down as he waits for her. It is then, that I see. Michael has changed. As he waits only a half of a second for her to come to the window. I see this is the more recent Michael. No shades. No curls. His hair is longer and straight just like we had been seeing it for years now. He is dressed in a black dinner jacket and black slacks. He is all smiles as he waits to see her......

She emerges at the window and they both began to chuckle and giggle at one another. The people behind him are being patient. They are not pulling him away or standing at his shoulder. There is activity backstage with people getting ready and checking on props and talking with eachother but Michael and her are lost in this little cute game at the window.

And then all of a sudden, like a snapping of a finger, I see her standing out of the room and in Michael's arms. I never saw her or him open the door! But nonetheless, he is holding her in his arms and caressing her gently and lovingly. Both of their smiles never leaving their faces.
His right arm is around her waist. His left hand is holding her right hand. They are not dancing though this is a dance position. I can see her back again. It is very smooth, like a babies behind. Her hair is long and dark, past her shoulders a little. They both look ahead where i get the impression, people are awaiting and anticipating. There are also the paps there to take pictures.

I can clearly see this is a small woman. The top of her head is barely to his chest.

I see him looking down smiling very lovingly at her as he stills holds her with his right hand in his arm while holding her right hand with his left, She then takes both of her hands around his waist and slowly moves her hands up and down to feel him.

Their eyes tell eachother, " I love you". Without the spoken words and then the dream is over.

I wake up.

I will come back later and catch up on reading and your repsonses to this lastest dream.
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That's an absolutely beautiful dream! Seems like it's what SHOULD have happened? One thing I get from it is a sense of "freedom." He was no longer being "controlled" by anyone, and his Security were HIS employees, and he was giving the orders?

This is what "should have" happened. In some dimension or "place," will it happen? I think there is much more to "life" than would seem obvious. ..

Carry on,

Vic
 
8701girl said:
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Moddie..dang u have the best dreams! :lol:
wow what can i say... it seems like mike has finally reached her and has let her know that is he alright :D

I think just knowing that hes still in her heart gives him so much strength, that even with him in being spirit wont hold him back from telling her " i love you- i always have & always will". And im also guessing its giving her strength knowing that michael love her and only her forever, remember true love never fades- it always forever even in death, it still strong as ever.
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:giggle: so true! and they're always so sweet! and its so sweet you keep dreaming them!! :giggle: :wub:

... always revealing to us that ever so romantic and VIVID imagination (imagery) of yours :wub: :wub:

This one is almost like a scene from Break of Dawn :) or rather, inspired by

"let's both go outside and play" :giggle: :wub:
 
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Great posts everyone, thanks for sharing your thoughts. This thread really is somewhere nice to escape to once in a while and let my mind wander.:) Sometimes I need a break from it all because lately I've felt like I lost my center, just sad, overwhelmed by so much and very withdrawn from life. It was time to go back to what I know, rediscover my true happiness and make changes to right myself. Which brings me to this book that I haven't read in a long time and last night I pulled it out to read. It's called "The Four Agreements", and it makes you think about what are our self-limiting beliefs that steal our joy and create needless suffering? It's based on the ancient Toltec wisdom, and teaches us ways that we can transform our lives to a new experience of freedom, true happiness, and love. If any of you have the chance to read it, it's quite enlightening and spiritually inspirational. :)

MysteriousPhoenix said:
This is a good question - one I've been asking myself quite a bit lately. I guess I just see every trying time like this one as some kind of test of faith, although some may disagree and say that sometimes bad things just happen because we live in an imperfect world. I think when something like this happens, God wants us to simply trust that He did the right thing or allowed the right thing to happen even though we don't understand it.
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MysteriousPhoenix said:
I have to constantly remind myself that I don't know everything and that He knows things that I don't know.
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I agree with everything you said here. I have always believed everything in life happens for a reason even though we may not know what the reason is at that particular moment in time. I admit I've questioned God alot this year wondering why which is not normal for me because I am always an optimistic person, but my strength hasn't been tested like it has this year for various reason in a very long time. It was like one thing after another was happening and I kept thinking, what's next? I guess the only way I've been able to move past it all is that I have to not only maintain a positive outlook on life in general but I have to trust God who is the only one that is all knowing, that He knows that there is a reason things are happening in my life. He knows why and when the time is right, He'll share with me the reason(s) why.

"If God brings me to it, He will bring me through it".


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I agree.
 
summer said:
Let's hope it is some kind of "test"...if the "by product" is that we all can have MJ back...I'm cool with that! It would be the ULTIMATE "happy ending"! :) MJ and his "love in the dark" would get to be together...MJ's kids woudl have their daddy back...and we would know MJ is back and alive and doing well too. It would be a win-win situation for all. :clapping:*prays to God to have that happen*
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:angel:
 
Moddie, how did your dream feel? Did you have a good feeling with it, and how was it compared to the other dreams? Do you feel that the dreams are belonging together? that they are tangled together, like episodes..?
 
Lily said:
... Lately I've felt like I lost my center, just sad, overwhelmed by so much and very withdrawn from life.

... But my strength hasn't been tested like it has this year for various reason in a very long time. It was like one thing after another was happening and I kept thinking, what's next?

"If God brings me to it, He will bring me through it".
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I can really relate to this. This has been a particularly difficult year, hasn't it? Thanks for sharing.
 
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Wow! I come to appear here and see what happens... a lot of things to read. :wild: I'm way behind on reading! lol! Running with the reading...




STATEofSHOCK said:
This one is almost like a scene from Break of Dawn :) or rather, inspired by

"let's both go outside and play" :giggle: :wub:
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SOS, "Break of Dawn" is a hot song, very sensual and has everything to do with love. It is a declaration of love. :yes: It's the perfect soundtrack for a beautiful night of love! :smilerolleyes: :wild: :wub: :censored: :blushing:
 
Victoria83 said:
That's an absolutely beautiful dream! Seems like it's what SHOULD have happened? One thing I get from it is a sense of "freedom." He was no longer being "controlled" by anyone, and his Security were HIS employees, and he was giving the orders?

This is what "should have" happened. In some dimension or "place," will it happen? I think there is much more to "life" than would seem obvious. ..

Carry on,

Vic
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You know something Victoria? I think you are on to something here! I didn't have time to think of it before but I think you are right on the mark!

Michael was relling us something with this dream. Could it be he was telling us exactly what
you stated: He was purposely showing us how he wanted things to be with her. In other words, he revealed his plans for his future( with her), to us.

Which again, is more proof (imo), this man was not ready to leave us. Not only due to her but of course his kids and the shows and us fans too. He had every reason to live and be happy and on top of the world and he was!
 
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Moddie, how did your dream feel? Did you have a good feeling with it, and how was it compared to the other dreams? Do you feel that the dreams are belonging together? that they are tangled together, like episodes..?
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When I woke up from this dream this morning, I felt my heart had been touched( emotionally, spiritually). I felt Michael's presence and I also felt very excited that the dream finally showed them embracing and touching. I was like, "Wow, did i just dream what I thought i did ?". I got up around 5:00am this morning and I was kinda groggy and falling over stuff in our bedroom, but my mind couldn't allow me to forget this dream. I was over anxious to share it.

I believe this dream and all I've had are interwoven. They are very much like episodes. I think Michael is communicating with us and revealing and sharing things with us that he wants known. This is pieces of their mystery and so much more.
 
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