Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

lol... it was really my pleasure (had a few bites of the popcorn while I was in there rescuing you;) )

I think everyone else was worried you'd pull them into it with you ..lol.

(on another topic, and it's no one's problem but mine but.. I have been feeling guilty lately for paying so much attention to a private topic of MJ's. Maybe that's why I started the fairytale. I still like reading the stuff in here ..when it isn't the drama that pops up from time to time. I guess I wonder if he'd be fine with it or bothered that we talk about it like some have said.)
I've wondered about that as well, but you know what? At least we're on the music and our discussion about the things that he is singing about shows he is as straight as an arrow. The songs he recorded are saying it all. He's singing about relationships with women and we're discussing him singing about them. His very own love songs are dispelling the lie.

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He has beautiful love songs. :)




oh btw... :hug: @ mimiK sorry for being so stingy with my hugs. :)

LOL at you throwing yourself into the popcorn to be saved by the women here.hahaha
 
for Ape, for being so brave and rescuing me:

:flowers: :flowers: :flowers: :flowers:

and


:hug: :kiss: :wub:


that was soooo very kind of you to do that! and no one else would! :(

the popcorn WAS delicious, by the way.

but, moving on......(i'm in a good mood today, can't you tell?)

OW! i feel good...danananananana...i knew that i would...

have a great day, everyone.

Well I must tell you now that I can't swim and I was wearing my lovely outfit when you where swimming in the popcorn MimiK!!

....... SO GOOD! dada. SO GOOD! I found yoooouuuu! dadadadaDAdada!
*dancing around*

(sorry if I did'nt get the lyrics right - I was just jamming you know ;))
 
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Dang, its gonna take me a while to read all these new posts and play catch up...
 
What if he's not in love right now and still searching for her? Do you think the happiness we've seen in him these past several months can just be that he's in a good place in his life and has nothing to do with having found his true love?

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Lily, I agree with how AllforMJ answered this question for you. Also, may I add being in a good place in one's life is a prelude (at times) to being in love. Being in love (when its a good and healthy relationship) make our souls happy and our spirits soar. Whic also is an indicator of being in a good place.
 
Well, I went and listened to Unbreakable again from the "new" perspective, like I said I would, and I guess I can see what everyone is talking about.

I also listened to Heartbreaker and Invincible which followed it. I also began to feel a little sad. But, it wasn't sadness over who you'd expect. I was beginning to feel a little sad for "her" - if there is a "her." I mean, we all feel sad for Michael, that's pretty obvious, but who has been feeling sad for "her"? Does she even have anyone who would feel sad for her?

I began to feel that everything leans heavily in favor of Michael - well, it is a Michael board after all, I know. The theme seems to be: Michael is "unbreakable"; Michael has a broken heart; Michael wants something and is having trouble getting it; etc. Michael also has a lot of resources, whether he has a broken heart or not; but what about when "she" has a broken heart? Does she have the same? Some have suggested that maybe she comes from the "hood." Well, if she does, then she certainly doesn't have a "fan club" or "people" or "friends in high places." She probably just has a broken heart.

Also, is it really that easy to just happen to wake up one day and realize that you love someone in the position that Michael is in? Would it not be really painful to love someone as inaccessible as he is. Would it really have been that easy for her to even understand what she was even feeling? How could she even distinguish between being just another a fan with typical "fan" feelings of believing she is meant to be with him vs. really being meant to be with him? Don't a lot of girls/women believe they're meant to be with him? I would think this would all be a little confusing and not to mention, a little painful. Who could you even talk to about all these confusing feelings who would actually take it all seriously and not make things more painful. I mean, could you imagine how much she must've had/has on her mind? It's probably like: let's see, I've got to worry about this, that, and oh, yes, I also love Michael Jackson. Just another typical day in the hood, lol! And how about one day finally deciding to accept it all as fact only to find that someone else has already taken your place before you even get there! Ouch! Talk about a real "heartbreaker!" As shocking as this may seem, could he have ever maybe been seen as a "heartbreaker" in her eyes?

Well, I know this post is different from my usual light-hearted ones and I also know this has already kind of been addressed in previous posts, but thanks anyways for letting me share my :2cents:
 
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Well, I went and listened to Unbreakable again from the "new" perspective, like I said I would, and I guess I can see what everyone is talking about.

I also listened to Heartbreaker and Invincible which followed it. I also began to feel a little sad. But, it wasn't sadness over who you'd expect. I was beginning to feel a little sad for "her" - if there is a "her." I mean, we all feel sad for Michael, that's pretty obvious, but who has been feeling sad for "her"? Does she even have anyone who would feel sad for her?

I began to feel that everything leans heavily in favor of Michael - well, it is a Michael board after all, I know. The theme seems to be: Michael is "unbreakable"; Michael has a broken heart; Michael wants something and is having trouble getting it; etc. Michael also has a lot of resources, whether he has a broken heart or not; but what about when "she" has a broken heart? Does she have the same? Some have suggested that maybe she comes from the "hood." Well, if she does, then she certainly doesn't have a "fan club" or "people" or "friends in high places." She probably just has a broken heart.

Also, is it really that easy to just happen to wake up one day and realize that you love someone in the position that Michael is in? Would it not be really painful to love someone as inaccessible as he is. Would it really have been that easy for her to even understand what she was even feeling? How could she even distinguish between being just another a fan with typical "fan" feelings of believing she is meant to be with him vs. really being meant to be with him? Don't a lot of girls/women believe they're meant to be with him? I would think this would all be a little confusing and not to mention, a little painful. Who could you even talk to about all these confusing feelings who would actually take it all seriously and not make things more painful. I mean, could you imagine how much she must've had/has on her mind? It's probably like: let's see, I've got to worry about this, that, and oh, yes, I also love Michael Jackson. Just another typical day in the hood, lol! And how about one day finally deciding to accept it all as fact only to find that someone else has already taken your place before you even get there! Ouch! Talk about a real "heartbreaker!" As shocking as this may seem, could he have ever maybe been seen as a "heartbreaker" in her eyes?

Well, I know this post is different from my usual light-hearted ones and I also know this has already kind of been addressed in previous posts, but thanks anyways for letting me share my :2cents:

Wow, I loved your words. You really were very inspired today! :clapping:​
 
Well, I went and listened to Unbreakable again from the "new" perspective, like I said I would, and I guess I can see what everyone is talking about.

I also listened to Heartbreaker and Invincible which followed it. I also began to feel a little sad. But, it wasn't sadness over who you'd expect. I was beginning to feel a little sad for "her" - if there is a "her." I mean, we all feel sad for Michael, that's pretty obvious, but who has been feeling sad for "her"? Does she even have anyone who would feel sad for her?

I began to feel that everything leans heavily in favor of Michael - well, it is a Michael board after all, I know. The theme seems to be: Michael is "unbreakable"; Michael has a broken heart; Michael wants something and is having trouble getting it; etc. Michael also has a lot of resources, whether he has a broken heart or not; but what about when "she" has a broken heart? Does she have the same? Some have suggested that maybe she comes from the "hood." Well, if she does, then she certainly doesn't have a "fan club" or "people" or "friends in high places." She probably just has a broken heart.

Also, is it really that easy to just happen to wake up one day and realize that you love someone in the position that Michael is in? Would it not be really painful to love someone as inaccessible as he is. Would it really have been that easy for her to even understand what she was even feeling? How could she even distinguish between being just another a fan with typical "fan" feelings of believing she is meant to be with him vs. really being meant to be with him? Don't a lot of girls/women believe they're meant to be with him? I would think this would all be a little confusing and not to mention, a little painful. Who could you even talk to about all these confusing feelings who would actually take it all seriously and not make things more painful. I mean, could you imagine how much she must've had/has on her mind? It's probably like: let's see, I've got to worry about this, that, and oh, yes, I also love Michael Jackson. Just another typical day in the hood, lol! And how about one day finally deciding to accept it all as fact only to find that someone else has already taken your place before you even get there! Ouch! Talk about a real "heartbreaker!" As shocking as this may seem, could he have ever maybe been seen as a "heartbreaker" in her eyes?

Well, I know this post is different from my usual light-hearted ones and I also know this has already kind of been addressed in previous posts, but thanks anyways for letting me share my :2cents:
Wow...hadn't of thought about that. But then again, he could have written a song from her perspective....?
 
Well, I went and listened to Unbreakable again from the "new" perspective, like I said I would, and I guess I can see what everyone is talking about.

I also listened to Heartbreaker and Invincible which followed it. I also began to feel a little sad. But, it wasn't sadness over who you'd expect. I was beginning to feel a little sad for "her" - if there is a "her." I mean, we all feel sad for Michael, that's pretty obvious, but who has been feeling sad for "her"? Does she even have anyone who would feel sad for her?

I began to feel that everything leans heavily in favor of Michael - well, it is a Michael board after all, I know. The theme seems to be: Michael is "unbreakable"; Michael has a broken heart; Michael wants something and is having trouble getting it; etc. Michael also has a lot of resources, whether he has a broken heart or not; but what about when "she" has a broken heart? Does she have the same? Some have suggested that maybe she comes from the "hood." Well, if she does, then she certainly doesn't have a "fan club" or "people" or "friends in high places." She probably just has a broken heart.

Also, is it really that easy to just happen to wake up one day and realize that you love someone in the position that Michael is in? Would it not be really painful to love someone as inaccessible as he is. Would it really have been that easy for her to even understand what she was even feeling? How could she even distinguish between being just another a fan with typical "fan" feelings of believing she is meant to be with him vs. really being meant to be with him? Don't a lot of girls/women believe they're meant to be with him? I would think this would all be a little confusing and not to mention, a little painful. Who could you even talk to about all these confusing feelings who would actually take it all seriously and not make things more painful. I mean, could you imagine how much she must've had/has on her mind? It's probably like: let's see, I've got to worry about this, that, and oh, yes, I also love Michael Jackson. Just another typical day in the hood, lol! And how about one day finally deciding to accept it all as fact only to find that someone else has already taken your place before you even get there! Ouch! Talk about a real "heartbreaker!" As shocking as this may seem, could he have ever maybe been seen as a "heartbreaker" in her eyes?

Well, I know this post is different from my usual light-hearted ones and I also know this has already kind of been addressed in previous posts, but thanks anyways for letting me share my :2cents:
This is a good post! We just have to remember that God's hand is in this. Just as He was able to use her to do certain things along side Him and for MJ, if He decides MJ is to move in another direction that does not include her, it is not like God will be unable to have her go in another direction. If it goes that way, then is simply means her work is done.

If she is someone that's in the hood lol her location has nothing to do with how powerful God is and who He will place around her while she is doing what He wants her to do. Spiritual people live everywhere and she can surround herself with spiritual friends anywhere, including the hood. God's power does not have limitations and locations are not an issue. He can do what He wants.

Also, if He wants MJ to be with his lady friend right away, He can make that so. If He wants MJ to be with her later, He can make that so. If He doesn't want MJ to be with her at all, He can make that so.

But, from listening to what MJ has been putting out, he has made attempts. Remember what he's saying in "Got The Hots?" There's a line that says, "I've tried all but I can't get to you girl."

As far as friends in high places, God is the highest there is. No one is above Him. If she has God, she has everything.

Also, God is the one that helped MJ undo the entanglement and He helped MJ free of charge. MJ's friends in high places did not have the power to make the whole world calm down following all the chaos that Evan Chandler created. If they did, they would have done so years ago. It was only when MJ said he was ready to fight for his innocence and had placed his situation into God's hands that the chaos came to an end.

We should never underestimate God's abilities.
 
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AllForMJ, here I live so close to where that exhibition was and I didn't even go. Did I miss something wonderful? Did I make the wrong decision to not go? I'm glad you and your boys had fun, though. That's a nice drive from Northern California. Did you take the efficient 101 or the scenic route some of the way on highway 1? :) I love driving by the coast.
queen g, I almost forgot to answer you. MJ's exhibit was very, very nice. Hopefully, he'll carry out the museum idea then you'll get a chance to see everything. And in answer to your question about taking the scenic route... We took that route back to Nor Cal. Yep!! We surrrrrre did!!
:D
 
This is a good post! We just have to remember that God's hand is in this. Just as He was able to use her to do certain things along side Him and for MJ, if He decides MJ is to move in another direction that does not include her, it is not like God will be unable to have her go in another direction. If it goes that way, then is simply means her work is done.

If she is someone that's in the hood lol her location has nothing to do with how powerful God is and who He will place around her while she is doing what He wants her to do. Spiritual people live everywhere and she can surround herself with spiritual friends anywhere, including the hood. God's power does not have limitations and locations are not an issue. He can do what He wants.

Also, if He wants MJ to be with his lady friend right away, He can make that so. If He wants MJ to be with her later, He can make that so. If He doesn't want MJ to be with her at all, He can make that so.

But, from listening to what MJ has been putting out, he has made attempts. Remember what he's saying in "Got The Hots?" There's a line that says, "I've tried all but I can't get to you girl."

As far as friends in high places, God is the highest there is. No one is above Him. If she has God, she has everything.

Also, God is the one that helped MJ undo the entanglement and He helped MJ free of charge. MJ's friends in high places did not have the power to make the whole world calm down following all the chaos that Evan Chandler created. If they did, they would have done so years ago. It was only when MJ said he was ready to fight for his innocence and had placed his situation into God's hands that the chaos came to an end.

We should never underestimate God's abilities.


This also is a very good post and very, very, true. I had some time to think over some of the things that I said and I admit I was a little unfair. You are right, no matter what privileges Michael may have had, in the end they may not have been worth very much and in the end it took nothing short of a miracle to pull him through. And, if he was unaware of her situation, he may have thought that he was the only one with a broken heart, alone, frustrated, etc.

I would just like to add though, that although God really is always with us, I know from personal experience that things can still get very difficult, very dark, very lonely and even downright scary sometimes. I'm sure she has God on her side always and I'm sure He will see her, him and the both of them through to the end - or maybe not at all, as you say, if that really is His will - but I would still think that any way it goes, it would still have been a very painful process for the both of them.

Also, if there is a God, then there must also be a "dark" side which, although not as powerful as God, can still wreak quite a bit of havoc in a person's life. I think queen g did a great job touching on several of these points already. Michael is a pretty powerful person with a lot of potential to touch this world, so I would think the "other side" would not be too pleased to see the two of them together serving God in any way, shape or form and influencing the world for the opposite team. I know God has been, is, and will see them both through, and everyone knows the trials Michael has endured for the sake of the relationship, but I wonder what "trials" she has had to endure and maybe even still enduring secretly all because of her love for this one very special person. I'm sure, being the other half of this relationship, she was surely not let off the hook. There may have been some special "punishments" for her as well.
 
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This also is a very good post and very, very, true. I had some time to think over some of the things that I said and I admit I was a little unfair. You are right, no matter what privileges Michael may have had, in the end they may not have been worth very much and in the end it took nothing short of a miracle to pull him through. And, if he was unaware of her situation, he may have thought that he was the only one with a broken heart, alone, frustrated, etc.

I would just like to add though, that although God really is always with us, I know from personal experience that things can still get very difficult, very dark, very lonely and even downright scary sometimes. I'm sure she has God on her side always and I'm sure He will see her, him and the both of them through to the end - or maybe not at all, as you say, if that really is His will - but I would still think that any way it goes, it would still have been a very painful process for the both of them.

Also, if there is a God, then there must also be a "dark" side which, although not as powerful as God, can still wreak quite a bit of havoc in a person's life. I think queen g did a great job touching on several of these points already. Michael is a pretty powerful person with a lot of potential to touch this world, so I would think the "other side" would not be too pleased to see the two of them together serving God in any way, shape or form and influencing the world for the opposite team. I know God has been, is, and will see them both through, and everyone knows the trials Michael has endured for the sake of the relationship, but I wonder what "trials" she has had to endure and maybe even still enduring secretly all because of her love for this one very special person. I'm sure, being the other half of this relationship, she was surely not let off the hook. There may have been some special "punishment" for her as well.

Wow MP... congratulations again! :clapping: You again were quite inspired. :wild: Nice post. :yes:


AllForMJ you are amazing in their words! Congratulations to you too! :clapping:​
 
Mysterious Phoenix yes, that's spiritual warfare right? If God has a plan, and a special plan for these two in particular, then you can bet that the devil (other side) will be doing all he can to interfere whether that be to keep the two apart, or to distract them with chaos in their lives through things like we have seen publicly for Michael, or both. She probably has had to endure her own tribulations as well and they will just have to be strong enough to keep their faith in God to see them through.

Until they do surrender to God and let Him take over (if they haven't already) then probably they will have difficulties that become too much. I doubt that the devil or evil or the dark side or whatever you wish to call it would have stopped trying to stop them but if they have God in control then the evil really can't touch them and has no power or control over them. They'll still try. Still try to find a weakness to get a foot in the door but as long as they trust God to handle it, their battles are already won before even getting a chance to knock.


This is why addiction is a bad thing, because it is like the devils own personal key. Till you start saying no to that key, the little drops of temptations, or just let God answer the door...lol. (am I getting too carried away with analogies now?)
 
Thankyou for getting back on track :yes:

Is there a song ya'll haven't disected yet? lol
 
Mysterious Phoenix yes, that's spiritual warfare right? If God has a plan, and a special plan for these two in particular, then you can bet that the devil (other side) will be doing all he can to interfere whether that be to keep the two apart, or to distract them with chaos in their lives through things like we have seen publicly for Michael, or both. She probably has had to endure her own tribulations as well and they will just have to be strong enough to keep their faith in God to see them through.


Yep, I couldn't have said it better myself!:yes:
 
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Mysterious Phoenix yes, that's spiritual warfare right? If God has a plan, and a special plan for these two in particular, then you can bet that the devil (other side) will be doing all he can to interfere whether that be to keep the two apart, or to distract them with chaos in their lives through things like we have seen publicly for Michael, or both. She probably has had to endure her own tribulations as well and they will just have to be strong enough to keep their faith in God to see them through.

Until they do surrender to God and let Him take over (if they haven't already) then probably they will have difficulties that become too much. I doubt that the devil or evil or the dark side or whatever you wish to call it would have stopped trying to stop them but if they have God in control then the evil really can't touch them and has no power or control over them. They'll still try. Still try to find a weakness to get a foot in the door but as long as they trust God to handle it, their battles are already won before even getting a chance to knock.


This is why addiction is a bad thing, because it is like the devils own personal key. Till you start saying no to that key, the little drops of temptations, or just let God answer the door...lol. (am I getting too carried away with analogies now?)
Bingo!

And MJ already knew early on what would be needed...

In "Someone Put Your Hand Out" there is the line where he says, "When we pray, will you promise me you'll always stay." This shows he already knew he would need someone that would seek God's guidance at the same time he is seeking God's guidance. They go to God together. That's double coverage.
 
MP what you said about her waking up and realizing that she loves him (which I imagine she already knew lol) made me wonder what it must feel like to wake up and realize that HE loves/loved HER Can you 'imagine?


All of you have stimulated lots of food for thought :brow:

If the current "she" (yes, if there is a "she") is, as the song Fall Again and other songs suggests, is someone from the past, who "ran away" as Fall Again and other songs also suggest, she too had to be uncertain at the time (since he has so many questions it shows that not a lot of two-way communication was going on) and perhaps back then, at the height of his career she felt that even if he was in her life for a millisecond, that she wouldn't matter to him and felt that he'd quickly forget about her if she quickly left, and perhaps never would have expected to hear about herself in his songs which could partly explain why it took so many songs for him to "get through" (although I'm not sure I buy the idea of him thinking he was clearly communicating to her either).

When looking at what kind of person would "up and run away" from him of all people, I can only imagine a person afraid of something, and since MJ is as far from being a monster as a person can get, I can't see her looking him in the face and doing that so I am going to assume that it wasn't quite the way it seemed or felt to him at the time.

All that to say that if she has now seen herself in music since the releasing of One More Chance, it had to have been a surprise to her, demanding her full attention on, as MP said, trying to distinguish, not only her feelings, but his "messages" in the music and whether they're even meant for her and which are and which are not.

Michael's talent for sounding like he's talking to one person has been apparant from day one, so I agree that it would take a whole lot more than the usual attention for her to get to a point of KNOWing that he's talking to her.

Another thing she'd have to distinguish at this time is whether perhaps he has been singing to her primarily to "complete the past" just so that he can move forward with his life and/or whether perhaps even he didn't realize that was what he was even doing at the time that he was making the songs. To me, a song seems to have the same effect as a photograph. Just because a person looked or sounded like that at the given moment, doesn't mean they will always and everyone knows that what happens a lot of times when a person has left another without warning is a human need for closure.

If MJ has just been in need of closure and has received it then what MP and others have suggested about him moving on would seem a possibility, given the fact that "she" is undoubtedly middle aged by now and someone he doesn't know in the same way that he knows people he interacts with and who are his physical 3-D companions throughout his days.

MJ is surrounded by beautiful, eligible, qualified, young women who can easily give him those other ten children to make the 13 he said he wanted years ago and may still desire, in order to carry on his legacy for the 'immortality' we all know he desires to create in the world.

If that is the case she, along with everyone else who loves him (especially if she is truly his 'Ben-friend') would undoubtedly rejoice at his happiness, even if it takes her a while to get her "life back". I'd think someone in her position in a case like that, would be in need of closure too. Especially if one of the things he 'got' in getting his closure was that she didn't realize anything until now. Yes, MP, its gotta be painful, I concur.

If, on the other hand, since having a family and coming of age since he set that (13 children) goal, (which it seems he could have had by now if he wanted them because nothing stopped him from having the ones he has) and he does still feel as he felt when he released songs like Fall Again and the woman in question is anything like him in ways and values that attract people to eachother (eg., spiritually inclined, creative, exuberant, lively and fun, old fashioned) then by her being spiritually inclined she is probably seeking God in all her trials and dealing with what often goes with that which is possibly a fair amount of sufferring too, because God said that "in the world, you will have tribulation".

Another thing is that one thing about men generally is that relationship problems a lot of times, cause them to focus more on career goals, whereas women tend to get "paralyzed" into resolving problems of love. It could be difficult if not next to impossible for her to focus effectively on her "here and now" and her own goals whilst revisiting the [pain of] the past, (hers and his) and trying to distinguish his communications of the "present". If she is "old fashioned" like he is, and only wanted to be with him, then she may be treating his absence like old fashioned women do who have lost a mate. They often live without anyone. It is a different matter for a woman to live without a man than it is for a man to live without a woman. He can have numerous surrogates at every turn whereas it can be unadvisable for a female to have surrogate men in her life because often, it eventually involves a price that a chaste woman would not entertain "paying" and may avoid altogether which leads to a limited, limiting life.

Speaking of career, if she is primarily a creative type like he, plus has "personality", then her strong suit could easily be communication and if that is her field, she also might feel utterly vulnerable to once again, the "help" of men, because it often comes with a "price" and I don't think MJ's done any songs to help with that lol. Men as mentors for women can be a tricky thing so she might would be having some issues in terms of career as well, no matter what field she's in.

It seems though that (unlike the beautiful lyic in the song IJCSLY says), they obviously can live without eachother because they have, with greater or lesser success.

If she has spent energies she needs for surviving, on trying to distinguish all the confusions that MP brought up, there's no telling the price she's had to pay for not being fully engaged in her personal "here and now". One has to be fully "present" to simply go to work everyday, pay bills, handle responsibities to family, friends, etc. and I doubt anyone wants to hear, "hang on, I have to listen to this song again and again" :lol: At some point I'm sure that everyone would be looking at her like: :errm: It seems that if she has a lot of people relying on her to keep her full attention on the "here and now" then either she's not paying MJ very much attention at all or her she's skating on thin ice in her every day life.

Perhaps that's one of the lessons this relationship has had for both them. That God is the only one who will see each of them through even though they inspire one another from a distance, to know that as a human here on earth, they individually, are not alone, that there is a twin soul, who understands.

Michael's reliance on God was strengthend and is seeing him through to victory and so the same will undoubtedly be true of her in the end, as "all things work togethr for the good of those who love God". Even with a mate in a person's life, reliance on God is everyone's lesson at the end of the day.

oh well my 2 cents.

I guess this is good a time as any for a song ...

Enjoy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDSh5wUtXt4&feature=related


http://www.mp3lyrics.org/b/bette-midler/from-a-distance/
 
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Wow, SOS!!! I'm really impressed by everything you said!

I also wanted to clarify one thing before going on:

There seem to be two schools of thought on this relationship in terms of the past:

*One idea is that they met each other in the past, then at some point broke up and went their separate ways until they realized they needed each other again at some point.

*The other concept is a little harder to accept, I know, but it is that they never really even met. She "knew" Michael of course because he was always famous, but he never met her, he just "sensed" her being out there - somewhere.

I am going with the more "unique" concept of them never having really ever met since that is what Michael's songs seem to indicate. He sings about a kind of "dream-like" state many times, even as far back as Human Nature, maybe even farther back. He also talks about hearing either "voices" or "whispers" a lot. Also, when he speaks of "searching", he speaks as if he doesn't know exactly who he is looking for rather than giving the impression he is singing about an "old flame", so to speak.

Here are the lyrics:


Human Nature

*Hear her voice shake my window...
*I'm dreaming of the street...

Someone in the Dark

*When someone in the dark reaches out to you ...
*Though you're gone star far away ...

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

*Each time the wind blows I hear your voice ...
*Whispers at morning ...

Someone Put Your Hand Out

*The truth is that I'm longing for love that's so divine ...
*I've searched this whole world wishing ...
*So someone put your hand out ...

You Are Not Alone

*Something whispers in my ear and says ...
*Though you're far away ...
*Though we're far apart you're always in my heart ...
*I thought I heard you cry ...
*Whisper three words ...

Butterflies

*All I gotta say is I must be dreaming, can't be real ...
*You're not here with me, see but I can feel you near to me ...

Speechless

*Though I'm with you, I am far away and nothing is for real.
*Nothing's real, but all is possible if God is on my side.

The Way You Love Me

*I was alone in the dark when I met ya ...

One More Chance

*Searching for that one who's gonna make me whole ...
*Help me make these mysteries unfold ...

PYT 2008

*I was upstairs, she came and woke me ...
*I was asleep and tired ...


(See, MimiK, I do my homework, too!;))


whew! I think that's enough for now. I'll write some more comments on what you wrote later, SOS!
 
Wow, SOS!!! I'm really impressed by everything you said!

I also wanted to clarify one thing before going on:

There seem to be two schools of thought on this relationship in terms of the past:

*One idea is that they met each other in the past, then at some point broke up and went their separate ways until they realized they needed each other again at some point.

*The other concept is a little harder to accept, I know, but it is that they never really even met. She "knew" Michael of course because he was always famous, but he never met her, he just "sensed" her being out there - somewhere.

I am going with the more "unique" concept of them never having really ever met since that is what Michael's songs seem to indicate. He sings about a kind of "dream-like" state many times, even as far back as Human Nature, maybe even farther back. He also talks about hearing either "voices" or "whispers" a lot. Also, when he speaks of "searching", he speaks as if he doesn't know exactly who he is looking for rather than giving the impression he is singing about an "old flame", so to speak.

Here are the lyrics:


Human Nature

*Hear her voice shake my window...
*I'm dreaming of the street...

Someone in the Dark

*When someone in the dark reaches out to you ...
*Though you're gone star far away ...

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

*Each time the wind blows I hear your voice ...
*Whispers at morning ...

Someone Put Your Hand Out

*The truth is that I'm longing for love that's so divine ...
*I've searched this whole world wishing ...
*So someone put your hand out ...

You Are Not Alone

*Something whispers in my ear and says ...
*Though you're far away ...
*Though we're far apart you're always in my heart ...
*I thought I heard you cry ...
*Whisper three words ...

Butterflies

*All I gotta say is I must be dreaming, can't be real ...
*You're not here with me, see but I can feel you near to me ...

Speechless

*Though I'm with you, I am far away and nothing is for real.
*Nothing's real, but all is possible if God is on my side.

The Way You Love Me

*I was alone in the dark when I met ya ...

One More Chance

*Searching for that one who's gonna make me whole ...
*Help me make these mysteries unfold ...

PYT 2008

*I was upstairs, she came and woke me ...
*I was asleep and tired ...


(See, MimiK, I do my homework, too!;))


whew! I think that's enough for now. I'll write some more comments on what you wrote later, SOS!
:doh::wild::wild::wild:

Very, very, very inspirational... I'm impressed (lol!)... continue like that! :yes::clapping:​
 
MysteriousPhoenix, you did GREAT homework. Very complete. All the best examples out there of this kind of relationship you are speaking of.

I would like to ask you what your idea of what "in the dark" might mean here? And how it relates to your other examples here.


I think he may literally mean "in the dark" (of night), especially if he was in one of his "dream-like" states.
 
Thanks MP - glad my post made some kind of sense. Can't wait to hear your comments. I agree that there are two schools of thought. I tend to go along with your version with one caveat. I lean more toward whoever said, "he knows exactly who she is" which means I feel it is a combination of both schools of thought combined.

I would include the songs you have but would add a few others which indicates he does know her although they never got together which I was wondering if from his point of view, may be what a need for 'closure' is all about, unless he really knew from looking at her. I've heard of that happening too.
He sings about a kind of "dream-like" state
Yes, this is the case in many if not mostly all of the love songs, combined with the fact that he seems to indicate knowing who she is, as well.


I Just Can't Stop Lovin' You
"I call your name" ..."Heaven's glad YOU came"


Fall Again
"something about you, stare in your eyes, everything I'm looking for I seem to find"

Butterflies (rap by Eve)
"she's just your type right, trying to figure out how she can play a major part up in your life right? You figure she'll be perfect lovin' you, fantasize the tingle from her fingers rubbin' you, tryinna analyze the situation, you feeling crazy, want HER there forever, what's so special 'bout this lady...but you' know you're perfect for her" etc.

(sung part) I just want to touch YOU

Break of Dawn
"I can see it in your eyes"

Streetwalker
"see I never met a girl, JUST LIKE YOU, come so easy"

Who Is It
"did YOU really feel I'm lonely"
(spoken part)
"we never were"

Can't Let Her Get Away
"I thought she had to have it, since the first time she CAME, who knows the situation, mysteries do remain, I told you that I need you, a thousand times and why ....but still you said goodbye"

You Are Not Alone
"someone tell me why, did she have to go...though we're far apart, YOU'RE always in my heart ... you and me! together!"

Someone Put Your Hand Outt
"I've searched this whole world WISHING SHE'll be there"

Those songs suggest he knows who she is, desired to meet her, made an attempt to meet her or get together with her and something went wrong.

Here are a few songs that could suggest they were in the same proximity (and could be about someone different than the old songs although they are of a 'dreamy' nature as well so its hard to conclude one way or the other) :
The Way You Love Me
"I like the way how YOU're holding me"

For All Time
"with a tender touch you KNOW so well"

Beautiful Girl
"its almost like dancing, WHEN romancing in her arms, its just a part of it"

Hold My Hand
"YOU've been there before and I've been there ..."

and the songs on Thriller25 seem to suggest someone he knows as well but may not have gotten with ... fantasy of peeling off jeans, negligee etc.
Maybe its a combination of both also because if the theory of this thread is nearly on point, then there is "someone" who's been hopefully getting his messages, if any of them have indeed been "messages". That's what my post was really all about. What must it be like, if she is actually 'getting' them.

I do tend to feel that if she is, she aught to let him know it, since communication is a two-way street. Otherwise, she is, as I have said way back in this thread, just a 'muse' it seems to me.
*concept three is he had some kind of encounter with her in the past, where he saw her and knows she exists, but did not actually meet her. So he knows he is not just thinking of a "dreamgirl" but someone he can put a face to
THAT's what I was trying to say! :lol: dang I need to work on brevity!
 
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Oh, that is a new idea I think for in here. That's a nice one...that he is connecting spiritually with the gal mostly at night when the lights are off and he is dialed down and open to it. Like that?



There might be a third one.

*concept three is he had some kind of encounter with her in the past, where he saw her and knows she exists, but did not actually meet her. So he knows he is not just thinking of a "dreamgirl" but someone he can put a face to.


Yes, when he says "dark", I tend to take it literally. I don't know, I guess it's because of all the "dreaming" going on and everything you said about how pleasant and peaceful it can be at night, in the dark. Also, I think "at night" is probably the only time he would be open to this sort of thing, like you said. During the day, he is probably going, going, going and it's probably very difficult to reach him with all of the distractions of the day. Of course we all know that he really has been "in the dark" in other ways too, so I'm not completely ruling out those other ways . He could very well mean "in the dark" in more ways than one simultaneously.

I like your third concept. It is possible that he could have seen her both in his "dreams" and out of his dreams without either of them actually making contact.
 
Hey! I'm back after a few says off... :)

I've been reading what you guys wrote, but it's too much to cacht up now... I'll try to do it later...

But I could read some of the last pages, about the girl and how she must feel, and the lines of thought MP and queen g identified.

I'm tending more to the two last lines, meaning or Michael doesn't really know the girl or he saw her once or twice but never really met her..

Maybe it's my romantic way of viewing life, but I think they never actually met.. It's a love meant to be by God, a spiritual thing... They're soulmates.

And after reading all your concerns about her I came to realize that maybe Michael won't recognize her when they meet, because he meets a lot of girls who swear they love him and they're his soulmates.

So, I ask... Can we be sure that her adventure will end the day they meet? Or she'll have to prove to him that she's the one? Will Michael know that she is the girl of his dreams just by looking in her eyes?
 
Thanks MP - glad my post made some kind of sense. Can't wait to hear your comments. I agree that there are two schools of thought. I tend to go along with your version with one caveat. I lean more toward whoever said, "he knows exactly who she is" which means I feel it is a combination of both schools of thought combined.

Yes, this is the case in many if not mostly all of the love songs, combined with the fact that he seems to indicate knowing who she is, as well.

Oh, yes, I believe that she is very real and that he knows her, like you said. Well, for one thing, you have to wonder how "real" his dreams get. For instance, in the song, "Butterflies" he sings like they've been having a full blown relationship that included "dating" and everything - without her even being there! lol! Well, without any more information to go on, it's hard to really know. I can tell you, it does sound like one very unique relationship. And, you just know all this has to be true - nobody could make this up! lol!
 
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^ queen g, if they meet each other in his dreams, which I believe to be possible, then he may know some things about her...

But my dreams, at least, are all blurry images and confuse sounds, so I don't think I would recognize a face I've seen in my dreams if I meet the person in real world, you know?

Maybe Michael has seen her, but will he recognize her???

God may have been giving him signs.. Otherwise, this relationship would be impossible.. But are those signs enough?

I think God will have to work hard to put this couple together! ;D
 
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