you are correct.
and there have been many others. you are not alone by r. kelly is among them. much of off the wall album was written by others, although most of those were collaborations specifically for that purpose. she's out of my life was written by another person but it carried a load of meaning, so it was recorded, used on the album, and has been a great success.
but if a song carries no personal meaning in some way, it is not chosen.
therefore, every song included on an album (and most unreleased material, as well) has personal meaning, whether through own written hand, or someone else's pen. they are not put there by chance. they are very, very carefully selected.
MIMIK
ok shall we make another thread call'ed "sdeidjs = Susie - The explanation" ? Because this thread is about analyzing songs and speculating for fun and this "look at me I'm Susie and I'm perfectly fine about it" attitude is startin to bug me a bit, being in this thread..
and now that everything is so religion fixated - May you find the spirit of god and godess in your heart, and may you recognize them in the life that surrounds you :angel:
sorry if I'm like a sour apple guys ..
And it's good that MJ is this type of an artist. It allows him to really get into the song. If he's able to feel what he is singing, then we can feel it with him.you are correct.
and there have been many others. you are not alone by r. kelly is among them. much of off the wall album was written by others, although most of those were collaborations specifically for that purpose. she's out of my life was written by another person but it carried a load of meaning, so it was recorded, used on the album, and has been a great success.
but if a song carries no personal meaning in some way, it is not chosen.
therefore, every song included on an album (and most unreleased material, as well) has personal meaning, whether through own written hand, or someone else's pen. they are not put there by chance. they are very, very carefully selected.
MIMIK
And it's good that MJ is this type of an artist. It allows him to really get into the song. If he's able to feel what he is singing, then we can feel it with him.
Well, baaaaack to my assignment, MimiK the owl! Believe it or not, I'm getting closer to completing it! I really am! LOL
*taking another deep breath and diving back in...*
First off.. I AM sorry, I don't mean to get so off track here and I'll try to add something about the thread after...
ok Thank you. The thing is, I CAN'T see. Online I can only see what people say, not what they do, so I can't see who they are or what they are totally, especially when someone is being vague. This isn't meant to be a dig at all, just honestly I can't tell online what you (or anyone for that matter) has accomplished, who a person is, etc etc. I can only go by what they say, which, if they don't usually say much, it's even more difficult to tell what a person is like or their spirit. I don't care who is who online, I just care about the individual and appreciating what I see from them. Since no one can really tell who is "who" online, it doesn't really matter. Just gotta accept what someone says about themselves with the knowledge that it could be false, but for now since you can't tell, just accept them as they are. ..and really "Who" any of us are, isn't really important is it? What we do and what we are inside is important. What others think of us can be important, but if they have a false belief, you can't worry yourself over it.
I did try to read through some of your things on myspace after we talked that one time in chat Susie, but to be honest, there is just so much there that I couldn't get through it. Lots of it I didn't see what you see. I have not experienced your experiences to know how things are for you though and to see things from your eyes. I am not saying it's not real or true, what you have experienced. I am just saying I can't tell from where I am.
This isn't just about you, but I don't know if I see the point in hinting at things. Saying without saying. Even if it is no ones business but your own and anothers. It's not something anyone has to tell others, but then why hint if you aren't going to tell? It seems like teasing.
Then again, if you don't say something concrete and outright, you can kind of hide behind that. I am not always a fan of vague.
Thank you for replying. I really don't know you to understand anything. Maybe someday I will. Though this is nice and you should be proud of that accomplishment. Well done on the accolades.I can see you point of view...however...one must remember I am not one to try and flaunt, be plastic, ever try to be something or someone I am not...
When I was nominated and Awarded the 2007 - 2008 University of Akron & The Legal Studies Program Excellent Student Award for all my work as President of the Legal Studies Student Association 2006 -2008. I was required to write a 1000 word essay about about my life, goals, aspirations, my many hope & dreams, my management, team oriented skills ect., and the humanitarian efforts in the community.
Because of that essay...
The Director of the Legal Studies Program told a crowd of many that out of all the students that has passed by this program, Ms.Deeds was one of the most brutally honest students that this program has ever come a crossed. We award and are very proud to have such a compationate, determined, caring human being representing the University of Akron and the program of the Legal Studies Department. We cannot wait to see all the rest of her hard work mutate into frutation.
Therefore, yes there is alot to read on myspace which contains the story of my life. My lifes work has been an on going process for decades...and I will continue to do what I can to help Heal The World for decades to come..!
Therefore, what is it about me that you do not understand?
:angel:Knowledge Is Growth~~~
Thank you for replying. I really don't know you to understand anything. Maybe someday I will. Though this is nice and you should be proud of that accomplishment. Well done on the accolades.
With the myspace letters in there, it's not written in such a way that makes it easy to read or hold my attention personally. It's not in the format of a story. Guess that doesn't say much about my attention span (at least for paperwork and other peoples letters). It's just that there is so much and so many papers that seem to have no purpose that I could see. Maybe if I read through all of them then I could see what you are trying to say. But for now I can't draw any conclusion from the bit that I'd seen. Though, as I said, I hadn't seen it all.
But you know what you know and it isn't necessary to convince or prove to anyone what you know to be true for yourself. If you do want to tell the story and feel you can, then maybe you can do that. To explain those papers and letters and their meaning to you. If you'd rather not, then that is perfectly fine too . Though if it isn't to do with this thread, maybe we should use PM's or make another thread.
Thanks again, and take care.
I'm looking forward to reading other peoples interpretations on the songs. Or responses to mine, even from those who really disagree with what I said. Get's discussion going anyways.
One hour of sleep?!! Sounds like this was a day to chew coffee beans like you're eating Skiddles!!it's sink or swim! allformj is swimming the marathon pacific with this one. keep going, i know you can do it!
and, i most certainly WAS an owl last night, thank you very much. one who is running on about one hour's sleep worth of fuel today.
anyway enough about me. go for it allformj!
*holds hand up* me..but I've been guilty lately of taking things off topic. Please share more insight and I'll come read it
O hey sorry im guessin you read what i edited. how are you girl? You ladies were way off topic and it seemed like there was gonna be a fight but its all good.
I read the posts about speechless is it about love is it about children is it about God? Maybe its bout all three. Maybe he was watchin some children play and thought of his secret lady love and wanting to raise children with her some day or maybe he wanted to play with her like some children were playing. maybe she got child like qualities and there love is from God. Maybe you all are righgt.
You ladies seen the new pics of MJ it looks like hes wearin a shirt with sceletons on it or something any interpitations on that?
Really? I hope it didn't seem that way on my part. I didn't want to come across that way at all. I just was saying what I saw or felt from my perspective because sometimes people think others see things the way we do ourselves so I was clarifying at least for myself, that it's not clear at all so that maybe she could clarify. That and I get tired of vague hinting answers and so I expressed that rather than just being annoyed with it. Trying to be better with communication. Maybe not the best idea? ..lolO hey sorry im guessin you read what i edited. how are you girl? You ladies were way off topic and it seemed like there was gonna be a fight but its all good.
I read the posts about speechless is it about love is it about children is it about God? Maybe its bout all three. Maybe he was watchin some children play and thought of his secret lady love and wanting to raise children with her some day or maybe he wanted to play with her like some children were playing. maybe she got child like qualities and there love is from God. Maybe you all are righgt.
You ladies seen the new pics of MJ it looks like hes wearin a shirt with sceletons on it or something any interpitations on that?
Really? I hope it didn't seem that way on my part. I didn't want to come across that way at all. I just was saying what I saw or felt from my perspective because sometimes people think others see things the way we do ourselves so I was clarifying at least for myself, that it's not clear at all so that maybe she could clarify. That and I get tired of vague hinting answers and so I expressed that rather than just being annoyed with it. Trying to be better with communication. Maybe not the best idea? ..lol
I don't think Susie and I have any problems with each other and neither one of us are into fighting from what I see.
Yes I saw and replied to your post before you edited (which happened to be at the exact time I posted..lol)
The skeleton... could be anything. I do find it interesting that he isn't wearing the armor when he goes out or to special functions anymore. No knee pads or straps usually (though had on straps a while ago but they looked opened like he had broken free). So maybe he is feeling less of a need for protecting himself? Feeling free and open? The skeleton because he is exposing himself and opening up? (I guess expose could have negative connotations but I don't mean negatively) Maybe he just thinks the shirt is awesome. He looks great and happy Do you think it glows in the dark? It reminds me a bit of ghosts, which brings me to his London home he rented. How cool the stories on that. Ghosts closeby in underground caverns or something? I don't know if there is meant to be something to read into or not but I will read into the smile and say he is feeling happy lol. So that is great!
Okay then, MimiK the owl that was running on only one hour of sleep and probably needed to chew coffee beans like Skittles to stay awake! LOL This is what I have come up with so far while going over the list of songs that you've provided...it's sink or swim! allformj is swimming the marathon pacific with this one. keep going, i know you can do it!
and, i most certainly WAS an owl last night, thank you very much. one who is running on about one hour's sleep worth of fuel today.
anyway enough about me. go for it allformj!
Okay then, MimiK the owl that was running on only one hour of sleep and probably needed to chew coffee beans like Skittles to stay awake! LOL This is what I have come up with so far while going over the list of songs that you've provided...
Peeps, heads up!! It's gonna take a while to read this. Hope ya like it!
"Off The Wall" Sessions (1977-1978)
After listening to the songs on the “Off The Wall” album and reading the lyrics, it seems like MJ was just enjoying the fact that he was venturing out on his own. He had the freedom to go wherever he wanted to go with the music and his life. Overall, the music shows he was very much in a partying mood—like this was his coming out party. You can hear it in “Workin' Day And Night” and “Rock With You.” These are songs to get on the dance floor and move our body to. Especially, "Workin' Day And Night!!"
While paying closer attention to the love songs that he chose to sing for this album, I got the feeling that he was really starting to sing the love songs from experience. These songs were not about what some would call puppy love. It seems like the person that he had feelings for was very special to him—like he cared about her very much. It seems like they spent lots of quiet moments together just enjoying each other’s company. Like she was the type of person that he could just sit back and cuddle up with near the fire place or just spend time talking to. This person also knew how to bring out the side of him that most people do not get to see—the sensual side that is only shared by two.
With this album he became a little more open while singing about being with the ladies. In song, he was starting to show his sensual side as far as what he wanted, how to get it started and how long he wanted the moment to last. It also seems like this person that he was very close to was on his mind while singing “I Can’t Help It.” From the things that he is saying in this song, it is clear he is very much in love with her.
I have posted a link to Youtube so you all can hear what’s on MJ’s mind. Actually, I’m providing links to songs and lyrics throughout the post.
Here’s a link to listen to “I Can’t Help It.” If you’re unable to play the song on your computer, you can read the lyrics to follow along.
-I Can't Help It (Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpFTmBBIcy4 )
-I Can't Help It (Lyrics - http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/lyrics/icanthelpit.html )
Now, after listening to, or reading the lyrics to, “I Can’t Help It,” it’s not hard to tell how he feels about his special lady. He is quite fond of her. He has fallen in love with her. But, if we listen to this next song, it is also clear that the romance is not going to last forever.
-It's the Falling In Love (Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u53JU60WP6k )
-It's the Falling In Love (Lyrics - http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/lyrics/itsthefallinginlove.html )
And then we get to the part where he has to face the reality that the romance with this lady is over. The romance is over, but the love for her is still there. It’s the love that he still feels for her that’s making it hard for him to record this next song which is about breakup.
-She's Out of My Life (Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF0o-W5uu8o )
-She's Out of My Life (Lyrics - http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/lyrics/shesoutofmylife.html )
"Thriller" Sessions (1981-1982)
Now, this is the part of the listed songs where things are starting to speed up and there’s a feel of the upward climb. As we all know, “Thriller” has been shattering many, many records and in the “Thriller” era, MJ’s life was now starting to move very, very fast. Things were going very well at the same time things were moving very fast. The pace wasn’t anything unusual to him because he wasn’t an up and coming star, he was already a pro. But, I’m going to try and keep this tied into the love songs only, as much as I can, because this is mainly a discussion about love and romance even though “Thriller” has several songs to hit the dance floor on. Mike knows how to get the party started. He is the life of the party!
With “Human Nature,” I guess it’s safe to say he was spending time in New York, but I’m not going to try and figure out how long or exactly where. But, if he’s looking out across the nighttime, he must have a panoramic view and may be staying in a building that is very tall—like he’s up on the 20th floor or higher.
New York is a fast paced and exciting city. It’s like he just wanted to get out there and enjoy some of the night life and meet the ladies. Why else would he stare? It’s to get their attention. Say hello without saying a word. He can be very enticing when he wants to be, and then of course, the cameras will be flashing and trying to catch the whole thing on film. I think those are the electric eyes. lol But hey, I could be wrong. It could just be a whole bunch of people staring at him at once because they can’t believe he’s there! lol
Also, since he cried while recording “She’s Out Of My Life” for the “Off The Wall” album, I’m assuming he’s trying to move on and meet someone new. He can’t let grass grow under his feet. He has to keep moving—go on up to the next level. His solo career is doing many wonder things, so he has much to be happy about. But, in the back of his mind are those memories of being intimate with the one he’s no longer with. Human nature is calling and this brings us to the next song to listen to.
-Human Nature (Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ber5DrM6dG8 )
-Human Nature (Lyrics - http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/lyrics/humannature.html )
While listening to “P.Y.T.” I’m getting a sense that he’s starting to make up his mind. He definitely wants to have some fun with the ladies! He knows what he wants. He knows he loves spending quality time with them. His ex is the reason why. Once he had entered the love and romance arena, he didn’t exactly want to turn back. But, since she’s no longer there, someone new had to take her place. He was starting to feel what some would call hot and bothered! Plus, the ladies were plentiful! lol
-P.Y.T. (Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx_L7WABf5k )
-P.Y.T. (Lyrics - http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/lyrics/pytprettyyoungthing.html )
While listening to “Lady In My Life,” I hear a man that still thinks about long-lasting love and romance. He thinks about having someone special to be with through the years. Someone to grow old with. It is the ultimate form of love, romance and commitment. He isn’t against that idea at all. His life is deeply rooted in family. And he is a very romantic person that seems to envision his life being a certain way with a special someone.
From listening to “Lady In My Life,” there seems to be a special someone he is now spending time with. She seems to be the type of lady that is allowing him to show his passionate side again, even if their relationship did not lead to marriage.
-Lady In My Life (Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsnh4q0Rpow )
-Lady In My Life (Lyrics - http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/lyrics/theladyinmylife.html )
Although I’ve been unable to pinpoint exactly what the word dark means to MJ, the song “Someone In The Dark” seems to show him wishing for a special friend that is not from the world that he’s been growing up in. We all know that he has never stopped wanting to do things that regular people do outside of the entertainment world. That’s not to say that he doesn’t enjoy being successful or isn’t happy with the things that he’s achieved, but there seems to be a longing to be a part of the world that he is actually from, or at least be able to have a close friendship with someone that is still there.
Although “Someone In The Dark” was used in a movie about someone coming from outer space, since it was written by MJ, it seems like it could very well be about someone coming from the world outside of the world that he is in. He has been living in a world that is within a world. I’m sure we all can see that if we really think about it.
-Someone in the Dark (Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GYsRC-7_S0 )
-Someone in the Dark (Lyrics - http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/lyrics/someoneinthedark.html )
Next, we’ll go into the “Bad” era. But, I need time to type it out, find the songs and the lyrics.
Thanks for catching that, STATEofSHOCK! *hug* You are correct! He didn't write "Someone In The Dark." According to "The Ultimate Collection" booklet, it was written by Rod Temperton, Alan Bergman and Marilyn Bergman. I think I was thinking about "Someone Put Your Hand Out" which MJ did help write. The "someones" are getting to me! LOL Also, it really seems like "Someone In The Dark" does mean something special to MJ because of the way that he begins "The Way You Love Me" with "I was alone in the dark when I met you." Also because in "Childhood," which was also in a movie, and is a song that he actually wrote, he says, "I'm searching for the world that I come from."Wow, this looks like fun! I just got home and will have to read in increments for a while and will play the music with each one to enhance the experience! ... starting with 1979....it was a very good year! :yes: :dance: High School graduation! and this was my FAVORITE album! ... but anyway the part I bolded caught my eye as I scanned the list and I believe I've gotta to correct you on MJ writing Someone in the Dark, he didn't according to the credits I've seen although its been that many years ago that I checked, although I can't recall right now who did (Carol B-S? maybe? ...or somebody ... ) and another collaborator?? I dunno but anyway, it doesn't take away from your points and who knows? Maybe the fact that it was about an alien could somehow have some significance for the way "Somone..." "met" him ... maybe someone felt like an alien? :scratch: :wild: :lol:just something that reminds me of LOL or maybe he felt like one? :lol: but anyway...sorry ... tangent ...
Also, I hate to do this, but I feel I just gotta remind us that he didn't write it and that's not because I don't feel he does music he only believes in because I realize that he does, but its because it really was for a project that was in place, a chance for MJ to do one of his favorite things - - read a children's story to children and one of his favorite stories at that time at that so, it was the perfect project for him.
I meant to note before that this is very poignant! My goodness, the sense it suddenly makes and also it gave me a vision of MJ going to "the hood" to "find her" and it made me laugh at the absurdity of the thought until I realized that the "regular life" is where he's from isn't it ... hmm, so maybe he doesn't have to walk around the world to find her afterall? Maybe just the block?! :lol: ok, moving on ...getting punchy sorry...better go to sleep nowAlthough I’ve been unable to pinpoint exactly what the word dark means to MJ, the song “Someone In The Dark” seems to show him wishing for a special friend that is not from the world that he’s been growing up in. We all know that he has never stopped wanting to do things that regular people do outside of the entertainment world. That’s not to say that he doesn’t enjoy being successful or isn’t happy with the things that he’s achieved, but there seems to be a longing to be a part of the world that he is actually from, or at least be able to have a close friendship with someone that is still there.
^ I agree with you..
To me seems that he's singing about a woman he knows, he loves, but is far away from him...
At least, that's the feeling I get... A platonic love, but at the same time true and strong.
Like I said before, to me it seems that he meets this girl in dreams or something like that.
Around the block, huh? Like he's looking for a girl from around the way?!!^ :flowers:
I meant to note before that this is very poignant! My goodness, the sense it suddenly makes and also it gave me a vision of MJ going to "the hood" to "find her" and it made me laugh at the absurdity of the thought until I realized that the "regular life" is where he's from isn't it ... hmm, so maybe he doesn't have to walk around the world to find her afterall? Maybe just the block?! :lol: